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Subforum suggestion...

Off Topic...
We need an off topic section (frankly we need one in every forum with a decent amount of traffic)
It'd be a great place to ask opinions on things (like I want to ask for peoples opinions on the new Windows Phone 7 in depth preview and how the OS looks ON ITS OWN (doesn't stack up to Android IMO because well...it's too damn closed) etc...but I can't ask that here because some blowhard will cry about it being off topic and then some mod will lock it...and I will die a little inside (joke)
but yea...dunno who to speak to about this but I feel since a lot of us on here do wish to speak about relatively off topic things it'd keep traffic in the Nexus specific forums more on topic and give us a place to just...chit chat a bit....
but yea...just a well thought out and respectable super duper awesome OMG how can he be so cool kinda suggestion I thought I'd try and get across...
feel free to opine.

There is already an off-topic section. If you want opinions on windows phone 7, may i suggest the Windows Phone 7 general section...here

Mokurex said:
There is already an off-topic section. If you want opinions on windows phone 7, may i suggest the Windows Phone 7 general section...here
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so in other words you didn't read what I wrote?

I like this idea because it would be nice to have the off-topic discussion limited to other nexus one owners. Honestly, I don't think this will happen though.
Sent from my Nexus One

AbsoluteDesignz said:
so in other words you didn't read what I wrote?
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Sigh...Then what's the point of the existing off-topic forum? This is a Nexus One forum, where people talk about Nexus One related stuff, not a Nexus One USER forum. If you want to talk about certain things like WP7 or HD2 etc. go to that specific forum.
Going with your logic, let's say one day every nexus one user wants to talk about the HD2, so there should be a HD2 sub-forum under the Nexus One forum? really?
I know what you're trying to say, and i would love to have a place where nexus one owners talk about random stuff too =) but it probably won't happen because of what i said above.

It's a fair comment I think, comparing/looking at other topics from a viewpoint of a N1 owner.
Wouldn't need a forum for every phone, just a 'oddbits' subforum.
Or a bit more relaxing of the rules in QnA forum perhaps?

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Sigh...Then what's the point of the existing off-topic forum? This is a Nexus One forum, where people talk about Nexus One related stuff, not a Nexus One USER forum. If you want to talk about certain things like WP7 or HD2 etc. go to that specific forum.
Going with your logic, let's say one day every nexus one user wants to talk about the HD2, so there should be a HD2 sub-forum under the Nexus One forum? really?
I know what you're trying to say, and i would love to have a place where nexus one owners talk about random stuff too =) but it probably won't happen because of what i said above.
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Except I didn't suggest a WP7 forum. I suggested a general off topic forum...meaning anything from Aardvark's to Zion can be discussed there. We wouldn't need a separate sub-forum for each and every discussion.

AbsoluteDesignz said:
Except I didn't suggest a WP7 forum. I suggested a general off topic forum...meaning anything from Aardvark's to Zion can be discussed there. We wouldn't need a separate sub-forum for each and every discussion.
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Like I said I know what you mean, the mods will never approve of this tho.

This forum already has too many sub sections as it is.

I'm sorry, I fail to understand what you are asking for, how is your request any different from the already existent General Discussion Forum? Which contains an "Off-topic" sub-forum.
Care to clarify your request? Or explain how the already existent "Off-topic" forum does not meet your requirements?

daveid said:
I'm sorry, I fail to understand what you are asking for, how is your request any different from the already existent General Discussion Forum? Which contains an "Off-topic" sub-forum.
Care to clarify your request? Or explain how the already existent "Off-topic" forum does not meet your requirements?
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Okay...I use Nexus...People here use Nexus
Sometimes I, as a Nexus user would like to know what others, who also use a Nexus, think of certain things that are not related to the Nexus One...
Creating a severely off topic thread in the N1 forum results in a close...so to alleviate this pressing concern of mine, I suggested an off topic random sub forum here so anyone can discuss anything thereby probably cleaning up the other segments since a lot of random OT stuff gets thrown haphazardly around in both General and Q&A.

Galaxy S3 forums are a mess

Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!

What's your suggestion?

Agree, there needs to be an entire section for each carrier. General, development , QnA, and themes.
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I agree that things could be cleaned up a bit. I think it would be better if the "Original Development" forums were subforums of each of the Development forums. I like that the development forums are separated by carrier and that all the other forums are not, but there's no reason to have two completely separate development boards for each carrier. I also think some of the stickies in general discussion could be taken down.

jcbofkc said:
Now we have multiple development forums for each carrier but for some reason we cannot manage to have discussion forums based on the carrier? Why not? This does not make any sense at all.
Trying to sort through all the info is a real pain in the neck. I am the type that tries to read everything I can to avoid stupid questions that can be easily researched, but the current format seems dysfunctional to me.
Most posters do not tell us what carrier they are on when asking questions or providing information, so much of the info is a waste.
No offense intended toward the mods, but I believe there is a better way to handle this phone.
I have had multiple phones and have never seen so many issues on an XDA forum before.
PS. can we unsticky the pre-order discussions yet? I find it annoying when viewing the forums on my phone to have to scroll past useless threads.
Sorry for the mini rant...
Hope everyone has a great day!
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I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!

Why does each carrier have two separate development forums anyway? The ones on the bottom don't even have anything in them really? I thought this was some type of error.

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Sorry. I should have provided the solution.
Go back to the original format when the forums were based by carrier. I know it would help new folks. As the popularity of this phone increases the problems will also multiply. I would hate for someone to mess up their phone by taking advice from a person on a different system.
Anyway that is my 2cents on the topic.

Markdental said:
I agree that it is a mess. The new "Original" development section does not make sense. We do not need it and we did fine without having it in the Nexus One forums.
Can we make a development forum that pertains to all devices and then have a separate one that only works for the individual devices. E.g.: Kernels would go in device specific development, and then ROMs/scripts that work for all devices would go in the general development forum.
The last thing I need to do is scour the ATT, Verizon, and Sprint development + their Original Development Forums to see if I can use any of their ROMs/Scripts, etc... 9 different development forums are too many!!
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Agree, I have no f-ing idea what the "Original Development" forums are even supposed to be... the description confused the hell out of me. As far as I'm concerned. A ROM is a ROM. Why do we need 2 threads for vaguely different types of ROM. Who the F cares? This is the first forum I've seen that makes this stupid distinction.
I agree with the other guy that this unnecessary forum should at least be made a subforum of the development forum... or at best deleted entirely.
I don't mind the combined discussion threads, though.

I agree with separating the carriers, but the two separate development sections for each carrier has been around for months. It was that way with the SGS2 and works fine. So, yeah, the only change i would like to see is to separate carriers.

i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3

If enough people post in this thread, maybe the mods will reconsider the overall setup of the forums for the GS3.

x_SCOS_x_ELITE said:
i agree, we need a cleanup on aisle S3
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Dude, that signature is bananas... it's taking up half the screen (which looks even crazier compared to your 1-line comment). Just sayin' :silly:

My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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masaidjet said:
My suggestion that I brought up before to a mod.
"I have an idea that would help both mods and us xda user when it come to SGs3 forum. General and accesories can be left without carrier specific names. Then sprint, verizon, att&t, and t-mobile can have their own sub-forums with development, Q&A, and themes & apps.
Ex.
[Sprint]Gs3
- Dev
-Q&A
-Themes & Apps
And last the title of the Gs3 forum title should be changed to
"U.S Samsung Galaxy S3 variants ( Sprint, T-mobile, Verizon, & ATT&T)
With this two sub forums can be deleted that are present now since they'll be apart of the carrier variant sub forum."
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Seems like a reasonable plan. I hope the mods consider it.

Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes​
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes​

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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes​
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes​
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Might as well just make entire different sections like they used to. Including their respective general sections.

I agree with the idea what the original dev forums should be subforums on the dev forums, but I totally understand what the mod's were going for in regards to having a general section for all carriers. I'm assuming the idea was that it would create more of a community if we were lumped into one general forum, versus all being isolated by carrier. I wonder, if it was split up by carrier, if we would have gotten as much help from non VZW dev's who have come over to show us support. There might be a better way to organize things, but I also like the idea of a more connected community of SGS3 users across carriers

The other solution is to keep the QA, Dev, etc forums, but instead have subforums for each carrier. This way solutions that worked for all carriers could be posted in the main forum for each section, with carrier specific solutions in the subforums.
Galaxy S III Development
T-Mobile Development
AT&T Development
Sprint Development
Verizon Development
[Below all these would be a forum for development that crossed over between carriers, not necessarily for ALL carriers, but if there's any crossover]​

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Sooo...
General Discussion
General Q&A
AT&T
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Sprint
Q&A
Development
Themes​
T-Mobile
Q&A
Development
Themes​
Verizon
Q&A
Development
Themes​
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Yea basically that's what I meant
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@ Mods: Is the Original Development forum needed?

Just an innocent question.
The three threads already here should be in the "Android Development" forum as they are about Android kernels.
This Forum seems redundant, or at very least lacking unique purpose.
I suggest that what's here be rolled into N7 Android Development, so that both readers and posters aren't confused about what belongs where. If not, the mods who created this forum ought to make clear -- in a sticky post -- the differentiation between what belongs in "Original Development" as opposed to "Android Development"
(.... unless someone knows something I don't, and there's a plan to port WebOS or Symbian to the N7 )

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them... I think this is a good move from the mods... Although, it can get a bit confusing, and we now have to check another place...
Anyway, I suggest you try to get this moved to q+a, as it isn't "original development"...
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el56 said:
@Mods: Is this forum needed
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@OP: Is this thread needed?

I some what agree with the OP. Only because this is a nexus device. So wouldn't almost 95% of all development for a nexus device "original development"? I could see this for the Samsung Touchwiz or HTC Sense device threads, because alot of those roms are just .zip hack jobs.

I concur with OP on this forum... It is basically just another dev forum, except now instead of 1, I need to watch 2 forums. Not really a big deal, just more of an irritance. Seems like the same thing could be accomplished by a regularly updated Sticky topic in regular Development that tracked all notable software for the Nexus 7 without needing a superfluous forum.

Maybe the android dev thread could be in the Original android dev thread? Like on android central.

I kinda like how you can sorta find what your looking for... but it seems quite confusing also at least for a while .. watching two forums now .. ugh
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mattmanwrx said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/ - here is the announcement on the portal!!
The dev section will be full up with rom after rom after rom... Most roms will only have small differences between them...
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Well, that defines the first three threads in this forum, all about slightly-derivative kernels, yet are here because the devs think they're original. So I'm not the only one who hasn't read the split rationale.
What this particular split represents is a choice of two forums based on a totally subjective criteria -- whether it's "original enough". Will there be a litmus test -- like what percent of AOSP has to be replaced -- before something is considered "original"? And how does that split really help people find what they want in terms of features, maturity, etc.
I agree that splitting up a crowded dev forum is a good thing to do, but believe that doing it based on "level of originality" is a recipe for confusion and needless police-work for mods. Why not consider something more straightforward and easier to categorize? One possible alternative could be
ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.

Yeah, I find this setup a bit confusing too, honestly.

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ROMs
Kernels (and basebands where appropriate)
Root/booting
HOWTOS and requests for help (both from devs and users)
That would make it easier for devs, mods and users.
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I'm lovin that idea. If were gonna have mountains of dev stuff, the more organized, the better.

Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators.
So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
Beyond that, given how new the Nexus 7 is, it's extremely premature to conclude that the Original Development section will be a waste of space.

Step666 said:
Firstly, you don't start a thread in a Dev section to ask a question, ever.
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Sorry. No offense intended.
Step666 said:
Secondly, the decision to add 'Original Development' sections to devices that have or are expected to have very active development was taken by the forum Admins, not the Forum-Specific Moderators. So you would be far better off posing the question to them, either in this section or even in this thread.
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Done.

Nexus HSPA+ root without data loss?

Hi,
Is it possible to root my Nexus HSPA+ without wiping or losing my data?
I've got standard Android 4.2.1 version.
Thank you!
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In order to root.. You must unlock the bootloader. (this process also wipe all data including dats in the sd card). I think there's no way you can root without losing data. You can always backup. Chill
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Thanks.
By all data you mean including os itself?
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User data and sdcard will be wiped.
Beamed from my Grouper.

Ok, so including OS I guess...
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No you will keep the os
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Don't you know that you have a especially thread for all discuss about problems & solutions for the Nexus 7 HSPA+
Go here :
NEXUS 7 3G-"nakasig"-For all Your Jelly Bean Discussions, Problems and Solutions

philos64 said:
Don't you know that you have a especially thread for all discuss about problems & solutions for the Nexus 7 HSPA+
Go here :
NEXUS 7 3G-"nakasig"-For all Your Jelly Bean Discussions, Problems and Solutions
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I don't think you need to keep redirecting everyone to that forum. This is the third time I've seen you post the same comment in various threads.
While some posts that are strictly related to the 3G model might be better served being posted there, I disagree that this thread has any merit. First, it has nothing to do with the 3G/HSPA+ model, outside of the OP happening to own that one. The answer is the same either way, and is about the Nexus7 in general. His question, which has been asked/answered numerous times, is very generic and has nothing to do with the 3G model or functionality. Second, that forum is for "Nexus 7 3G Android Development", not General or Q/A posts. IMHO, it shouldn't be littered with stupid questions that have nothing to do with the 3G model. If the OP had posted his question about the Wi-Fi version in the standard "Nexus 7 Android Development" forum, people would have told him to post it in the General or Q/A forum instead, as it doesn't belong there either. So I think, outside of the fact that the OP should have searched before posting, the Q/A forum was the proper choice.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have a 3G dedicated forum, and I appreciate the fact that you seem to have taken the lead on maintaining it. I would just prefer it to be filled with useful threads.

phonic said:
I don't think you need to keep redirecting everyone to that forum. This is the third time I've seen you post the same comment in various threads.
While some posts that are strictly related to the 3G model might be better served being posted there, I disagree that this thread has any merit. First, it has nothing to do with the 3G/HSPA+ model, outside of the OP happening to own that one. The answer is the same either way, and is about the Nexus7 in general. His question, which has been asked/answered numerous times, is very generic and has nothing to do with the 3G model or functionality. Second, that forum is for "Nexus 7 3G Android Development", not General or Q/A posts. IMHO, it shouldn't be littered with stupid questions that have nothing to do with the 3G model. If the OP had posted his question about the Wi-Fi version in the standard "Nexus 7 Android Development" forum, people would have told him to post it in the General or Q/A forum instead, as it doesn't belong there either. So I think, outside of the fact that the OP should have searched before posting, the Q/A forum was the proper choice.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have a 3G dedicated forum, and I appreciate the fact that you seem to have taken the lead on maintaining it. I would just prefer it to be filled with useful threads.
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I'm not offended...
My title is Recognized Contributor, not leader.
I'm not leader for something, I just want to help the members of the N7 3G+
It's for it that it's better for the moment to concentrate all discussions in this thread.
And it's not only for the development subject, it's for all discussions, solutions and problems
I know that it's the only thread for the time being. But I try to persuade the Admins to create an another one sub-forum which is especially for Questions and Answers (Q&A).
That's why, I redirecting all subjects for this thread. It's not for the pleasure.
Don't forget that when you are a Junior member or new user, you want to see all in one thread, and not in a lot of threads
On this subject, I wanted to thank you for all help that you bring by all of your answers.

philos64 said:
I'm not offended...
My title is Recognized Contributor, not leader.
I'm not leader for something, I just want to help the members of the N7 3G+
It's for it that it's better for the moment to concentrate all discussions in this thread.
And it's not only for the development subject, it's for all discussions, solutions and problems
I know that it's the only thread for the time being. But I try to persuade the Admins to create an another one sub-forum which is especially for Questions and Answers (Q&A).
That's why, I redirecting all subjects for this thread. It's not for the pleasure.
Don't forget that when you are a Junior member or new user, you want to see all in one thread, and not in a lot of threads
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Gotcha. Maybe it would be better if the admins changed the name of the existing sub-forum to "Nexus 7 3G General and Development" to help move more people to there then. Because right now, it's only a handful of development related topics. And I know that many people, myself included, would be reluctant to post general or Q/A type posts in that sub-forum instead of one of the generic "Nexus7" ones.

General and Q+A Forums Need to be Merged

I really don't like how there are separate general and Q&A forums on XDA. Makes no sense and it is a big reason that people are confused using this site.
Anyhow, IMO, it is fine to have separate developer forums, but not a general and a Q&A forum, those should be merged.
And whoever came up with the color scheme, fonts, graphic design of XDA clearly does not have any graphics arts training.

I strongly disagree. People just need to understand the difference between Q&A and a General discussion with anything Moto X. Those that can't follow the rules deserve swift moderatin' punishment.

alpha-niner64 said:
I strongly disagree. People just need to understand the difference between Q&A and a General discussion with anything Moto X.
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well they don't. And btw, what is the effing difference?
alpha-niner64 said:
Those that can't follow the rules deserve swift moderatin' punishment.
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great way to build a forum. NOT!

Cozume said:
well they don't. And btw, what is the effing difference?
great way to build a forum. NOT!
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That's how all threads for different phones are. The general section is used for general things like bootloader warnings, root, etc. Q&a are questions and answers only. I think they should have separate carrier forums..
MOTO X Slapped

I really think we need moderator intervention, I haven't seen nor heard from any moderator. No warnings absolutely nothing. I bet I could probably mention CG name (anthrax)and I won't even get a mod to warn me that his name can't be mentioned in the xda forums
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Mods are sleeping on this forum, I concur. General and Q&A look the exact same for this phone.
I agree it's messy.
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I wish each variant had it's own(sub) forum ... Note 3 and other devices have a Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, etc. section. Why are all moto x's grouped into 1 place? I think sub forums based on carrier may cut down on some confusion/clutter ... Just my $0.02
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Thanks for the Input OP, Thread Closed....