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Sick of silly dev roms

I always wanted to share this as some people call themselves developers in this forum by just removing and adding some apps and making roms "look faster". What they is actually going into the app called spare parts and choose the fast transition and fast windows animations. So why not trying these settings on cm7 and see which is faster people? Or any other rom developed by true developers!! I am not saying im against rom development but at least if u are trying to develop then do something unique and not a rom that even my grandma could do
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I agree mostly... the vast majority of roms available for us right now are just themed CM7. that's fine and dandy, but it's particularly amusing to me when people talk smack about CM7 being "slow" or "buggy" etc and then claim their new rom of choice, a CM7 variant, is the best thing since sliced bread.
that said, even theming can be a hell of a task, and extremely time consuming. I appreciate all of the work the development community provides to us (free of charge, mind you).

I don't see what you are trying to get at here. For a start I have tried just about every rom there is and I don't believe I have ever come across one that has window tansitions set to fast by default. We have a really good mix of devs here doing different things and do great work. You need to remember that devs build a rom that they like, quite often it is built for them and they choose to release it to the general public.
One of the great things about this community is choice. A rom that one person loves and another will hate, its all about personal preference.
Do you know anything about developing a rom? I don't but I knw a lot of work goes in to them and the devs do a lot more than change some settings on spare parts to make there rom different, better and faster than the next rom.
Your post in insulting to the devs that work really hard to give us something cool and awesome.
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Well said. You must strive to support to the best of your abilities, the development scene for this respective phone.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.

I never said not supporting TRUE dev!! Im referring to those that call themselves devs by removing and adding a few apps. Go into other handsets forums and see what i mean. For ouf g2 only a few deserve to be called devs. Thats what im saying..
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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TheDeadCpu said:
There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.
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And does anyone actually use the chef title here on the g2 forum? No....
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I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.

astriaos said:
I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.
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Yohu know what your looking for? A stock rom....they all work! The devs here are pushing the boundries and taking our phones to the edge! Of course not everything will work out of the box and if they fixed everything before they released it they would have to deal with everyone begging for the next release.
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xsteven77x said:
I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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kokoskokis544 said:
Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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Thought I was the only one too but did not want to be rude or sound ungrateful. I do appreciate every quote on quote devs work and passion for making us roms. But some of these are just stock with the equivelant of removing bloat with titanium backup. No system tweaks. Nothing really even changed. if anything they should just be called bloatless roms or something.
On another note, while I do get annoyed that a lot of stuff is just cyanogen with a slick of paint on it, obviously the work it takes to build a rom from the ground up is not easy. Otherwise we would see a lot more of them. I do understand that and do not take lightly how hard it probably is. Maybe the answer is let's port some roms from other phones? Like insertcoin for example? Or maybe all the devs that are just repackaging stuff get together and form something along the lines of what the bionix team does and all work together to make one super good rom.
I LOVE the choices we have with this phone. Its f-in awesome. But sometimes I feel like its just a placebo with really one 3 to 4 actual unique roms for our g2. I do not know how to make roms, so I'm not acting like this can be done overnight. But some of this just seems like common sense no matter what angle your coming from.
Obviously rmk is a rom god. And suilmagic seems like an up and comer. Pershoots kick ass. I thought for a minute there was many a rumor that eugene was heading our way, which if true would probably cause a dam near astronomical shift in this forum, hope there is some truth to that rumor. Those are devs that stand out to me, if I didn't say your name I just didn't think of you when I was writing this.
Thank you for indulging my two cents. I do not mean to offend anyone whatsoever. I appreciate everything you guys do for us. But let's not sugarcoat the reality of our situation.
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kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.

actually, from my point of view, the worst thing is when someone does not give deserved credit - "Grab, use and forget"

petarpLab said:
kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.
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I agree that is extremely annoying. And then you ask what is it in it or whats different from other roms and you get a "INSTALL IT STUPID AND FIND OUT"....YA WELL UP YOURS TOO

even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.

pmcqueen said:
even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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cjward23 said:
I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
[sig]My mission is to hit 1000 posts by 23/05/2011[sig]
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Make that two. I don't really see a reason to get all aggro over something that is free. As to something that "might damage my phone".... um.. what? To my knowledge, the devs (or whatever some may wish to call them) are not into the practice of putting out toxic software for us to download. To make sure, I use this goofy thing called judgement. I'll look at a new ROM, read the dev comments, wait a while, read the feedback comments, and make a decision. Not complicated. If there are a ton of bugs and problems, I'll wait until later versions come out that correct these issues. Or I'll choose another ROM. I honestly don't see the point of complaining about free services and a plethora of options. If people don't like all that, unroot and stay with stock software.

cjward23 said:
I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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No, I'm with you too. While I don't know zip about development, I can appreciate the fact that it takes time and effort to create and upload a ROM, even one that is just a tweaked version of someone else's work.
While the OP seems to be complaining about one or a few people in particular, it seems that many people who post ROMs are doing it for the sheer enjoyment, or to create something unique for themselves. Then, they go out of their way to upload and post it on here for others to enjoy. Of course, giving credit when its due, and describing what has been changed (and what hasn't), as previously suggested, are all good points as well.
Its not like there is a whole lot of fortune and glory associated with calling yourself a "developer". If somebody is even calling themselves that, its probably due to lack of a better term, more than anything else. Its a bit cumbersome to go around calling yourself "Guy who modified a ROM for myself, and now posting it for others to enjoy".
Besides, if you don't like a person's ROMs, just don't use them or read his threads. Not enough ROMs tends to be the more common complaint, rather than too many (although obviously quality is a factor as well, not just quantity).

If you really wanna ***** about free services then don't use them, switch phones, go to a different dev community. People do this work for fun, they don't ask for money for the hours of work they put in. You should be appreciative for whatever ROMs we get ,especially if you don't "dev" yourself.
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[Q] developing roms, where to start?

With the newly deodexed honeycomb I have gotten the itch to start looking into how to create/develop my own rom.
What is the best way to start learning, is there a good starting point, I have been doing some reading but it just seems so overwhelming.
I do have basic Linux knowledge and can whip up a linux VM in no time to get crackin. I have been modding my EVO for the last year so i know how to be a "user" and have tinkered with the xoom but have only scratched the surface.
So my question is just this, Where to start??
any input would be helpful.

+1!
need a little walkthrough too :S!!
and someone can say what files NEVER EDIT to not brick the xoom!!

i too would be highly interested in learning what steps to take.

bossjeeves said:
With the newly deodexed honeycomb I have gotten the itch to start looking into how to create/develop my own rom.
What is the best way to start learning, is there a good starting point, I have been doing some reading but it just seems so overwhelming.
I do have basic Linux knowledge and can whip up a linux VM in no time to get crackin. I have been modding my EVO for the last year so i know how to be a "user" and have tinkered with the xoom but have only scratched the surface.
So my question is just this, Where to start??
any input would be helpful.
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Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.

ydaraishy said:
Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.
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so this is kind of what I expected for an answer but I would like a little more if you dont mind.
Like maybe a couple of links pointing in the right direction, like what does the environment need for tools etc.

ydaraishy said:
Get that VM set up, and get your environment set up so you can build AOSP.
Look through the source so you know what parts of Android are found where in the tree.
Learn a little about the platform, what does what...
Basically, just get your hands dirty.
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That's like saying jump in a lions den and see what ticks him off. Can we get more details please? I want to get into theming and want to know the ideal OS to do it on. I was hoping on doing it in Linux but want advice from themers.

IV been playing hippie for a couple of weeks so I don't know if I missed something but, unless the full AOSP source has been released, a deodex rom will help with nothing but theming.
You can't do much to customise a ready built rom, and you would be wasting your time to try anything but the simplest of mods.
That being said, if you're happy to play with smali you might achieve a little more.
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alias_neo said:
IV been playing hippie for a couple of weeks so I don't know if I missed something but, unless the full AOSP source has been released, a deodex rom will help with nothing but theming.
You can't do much to customise a ready built rom, and you would be wasting your time to try anything but the simplest of mods.
That being said, if you're happy to play with smali you might achieve a little more.
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this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also

bossjeeves said:
this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also
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Smali is a tool that will reverse engineer (baksmali) dalvik byte code into (barely) human readable code. If you can learn to understand this you can reverse and modify stuff with it. If i remember right, brut.all is the guy responsible, have a read around, but i warn you, its not for the feint of heart.
Macbots drool as I XOOM through the Galaxy to my hearts Desire.

bossjeeves said:
this is exactly what I am talking about here, This is kind of why I brought it up in the xoom forum, since we dont have source and we do have a deodexed rom wouldnt playing with that be a great place to start? if so like what would be the best place to start, you say play with smali, now I know I can google and get tons of answers but I am asking to explain a little more because I trust the feedback from here and I think others might benefit also
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Here is one of the best sources I've found....... made by cyanogen himself, tonnes of info here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298

I did come across this link http://simply-android.wikia.com/wiki/ROM_Development
looks like something that would be a helpful start. thoughts?
ps thanks for the replys

I think the best way to learn anything is just to read a lot, and to search for any questions you have. There are a thousand ways to learn to hack, but they all require the initiative to find answers on your own.
Sorry if this sounds patronizing. I always hated it when I get on a board and ask for something, and some curmudgeon geek tells me "Google is your friend". But it's true. You get better answers faster, as you can avail from the entire Internet, as opposed to the small number of people who reply to your query.
Thanks to the dude who linked to the Cyan advice post. My takeaway is this one line:
"There is a *ton* of information out there but any kind of "step-by-step rom cooking guide" is going to be a complete fail- it's too broad of a subject."
IMO if you are serious about ROM hacking, you need a dedicated linux environment. Cygwin is OK for run-time stuff, but too limited for anything else. If you only want to run basic bash commands, a simpler solution is win-bash (http://win-bash.sourceforge.net).
I'm kinda in the same shoes you are. Android interests me, although I don't have a Xoom or an Android tablet for that matter. Was gonna get a HC tab to tinker, but HC is still too green, so decided on a Nook Color for educational purposes. It's been out a while, and has many hacks already done that I can peruse. That, and it'll be useful for my "read a lot" mantra above.

[Q] cyanogen mod 7

So we have it for the fascinate, the vibrant, the Nexus s and the galaxy s its self, where is ours? If we had Cyanogenmod all of this garbage about waiting for sprinsung to update our GB would be a non-issue. i have programming skills (java, python, c++, perl, bash, etc) and a lot of free time. Id be willing to put forth effort to get this out if some one were to decide to help out.

If OP really does have the knowledge to help out hes more than welcome to take a stab at it.. but be warned people have tried and tried but dont realise the level of development they are up against. the team working on it are very good, and if you think you have something to add.. then come to the cm7 epic irc channel and chit chat, but i wouldnt expect them to automatically assume you know what youre talking about...

Without GB source code, this is a dead end
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Without GB source code, this is a dead end
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Not at all. Without Gingerbread Source Code Developers are capable of writing drivers themselves, it is just a lot easier to work with Samsung's drivers.

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Not at all. Without Gingerbread Source Code Developers are capable of writing drivers themselves, it is just a lot easier to work with Samsung's drivers.
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Exactly...as everyone always asks "why do the other Galaxy S line of phones have CM7 but not us?" Well, since those models will probably never see official GB, the Devs in those communities took it upon themselves to build CM7 from scratch, from the bottom up. Just to point it out as well, they're Dev's are a lot higher in numbers compared to ours and therefore were able to split the work amongst themselves, which was still a challenge to say the least. We on the other hand, have a lot less Devs and us trying to follow the other Galaxy S communitie's footsteps would be impossible. The workload is just too much for our Devs. Luckily, we were the only US Galaxy S variant that will be receiving official GB, so, our Devs are waiting on Samsung to release source code, as this will make everything that much easier and smoother to complete CM7. I mean, why try and build from scratch when we have GB being released in a couple weeks? and just one last thing to clear up...everyone asks "why not just port a kernel or ROM from another Galaxy S phone?" Well, the Epic is the 'redheaded stepchild' of the Galaxy S family. Our hardware is different from the rest of the other variants. Decad3nce and the rest of the CM7 team have assured us that they've exhausted many different resources in attempts to get us CM7 before GB, but so far, they're still not near releasing a stable build.
Bottom line: GB source will help up immensely and is what we're currently waiting/looking forward to in order to advance with CM7 development.
*this is all common knowledge I have read/have been told by many high reguarded ppl within and around our community. If I'm wrong about something please point it out an correct me, just plz dnt start a flame war or anything of the like. I wrote this in hope of clearing up some questions/concerns. Also, feel free to add anything I might have missed*
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So we have it for the fascinate, the vibrant, the Nexus s and the galaxy s its self, where is ours? If we had Cyanogenmod all of this garbage about waiting for sprinsung to update our GB would be a non-issue. i have programming skills (java, python, c++, perl, bash, etc) and a lot of free time. Id be willing to put forth effort to get this out if some one were to decide to help out.
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i n00b teh pwns said:
Considering we have a team working on it, these threads aren't necessary. Making these threads just makes the Devs realize how ungrateful you people are. If I was them, I would've scrapped CM7 work a long time ago.
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If OP really does have the knowledge to help out hes more than welcome to take a stab at it.. but be warned people have tried and tried but dont realise the level of development they are up against. the team working on it are very good, and if you think you have something to add.. then come to the cm7 epic irc channel and chit chat, but i wouldnt expect them to automatically assume you know what youre talking about...
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All of you are right.
Coming from someone who has a lot of experience developing BSPs for the Linux kernel, this is something that can take a lot of time.
Some of it can be reverse engineered, but a lot of it only exists in binary form. Unfortunately, the interfaces to the binary parts can change.
It's not quite as simple as knowing C/C++. You have to know how the hardware works, or at least similar experience to know what's going on and how to reverse engineer it.

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So we have it for the fascinate, the vibrant, the Nexus s and the galaxy s its self, where is ours? If we had Cyanogenmod all of this garbage about waiting for sprinsung to update our GB would be a non-issue. i have programming skills (java, python, c++, perl, bash, etc) and a lot of free time. Id be willing to put forth effort to get this out if some one were to decide to help out.
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Everything should be current here: https://github.com/EpicCM
Otherwise, feel free to jump in #epic @ irc.fossnet.info

Our phone is not dead!!!!

*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA, ezet, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!

You're right and in general I agree with you but this sub-forum is only to post ROM's preferably tested and without bugs. You should move this to General section or ask to mods to do that. Blefish is working on CM 10 and we (non-developers) need to wait.
Cheers.

to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)!
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with the above said, i do not mean to discourage any further development effort on this phone..
i actually welcome such activities very much honestly..
its just that ppl should also recognise those of us who try to move forward with newer and more powerful phones..

rqmok said:
*Please no one delete this thread! It is really important!*
Hi everyone!
I am here to tell you guys about our phone.
Yes, the title says everything; our phone is not dead!
What do you think? Just because Huawei is not supporting this phone anymore doesn't mean that our phone is dead!
Look! We have achieved great things with our knowledge! We have already have Android that wasn't given to us by Huawei:
- CM 7.2
- Aurora ICS
- MIUI
- Oxygen
- JokerROM
- and lots of others!
(Thanks to all those developers that have contributed their efforts for the sake of our phone!)
Huawei is not supporting us, but every person in our community is supporting each other.
I know we are lacking developers, but we still have great developers: DZO (he's a bit sleepy), forumber2, Blefish, MosTERRA ezet, possibly me, and anyone else I have missed!
We still have developers, but not once have I read anyone commenting anything positive about our phone. Not once anyone has told someone else that our phone is dying/dead. Always, everyone here has said our phone is finished.
Come on guys! Don't say this! Always try to say good things about our phone. By saying bad things about our phone, you are discouraging other people, and most importantly the Developers, from keeping the phone.
Please stop discouraging Developers and others! Instead, encourage others to gather knowledge and start building some ROMs!
Yes, I would encourage all of you here to start gathering knowledge about android and start building some MODs, Themes, ROMs, etc, for our phone!
NEVER AGAIN I WOULD WANT TO SEE A COMMENT THAT SAYS NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT OUR PHONE!!!!
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So why don't you make Jelly bean ?

iamelton said:
to say our phone is "dead" is not negative as i perceive it.. its just a plain fact..
in this fast-changing technology world, our phone already did its job very well..
my u8800 has just passed its 2-year mark, and though its just become my second-line support phone in this month, its still of great value to me..
(big compliment to our great developers!)
HOWEVER, the phones is already over 2 years old, and this is a very old age in technology world (and also considering its lack of official support)..
if everyone just refuses to proceed forward, we are probably still playing/flashing mods for our beloved transistor radio (if thats even possible)
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Our main problem is the just the lack of developers as I already said before, because saying our phones is old fashioned it ain't true, for an example the Huawei Ascend G300, imo that phone is not that far away from our phone in hardware and capability (and also it was release in May of 2012), but still it already has CM9, CM10, CM10.1, thats my point of view, we can't all have the same opinion. I just don't have the skill to do such things in the Android area, if I had I would work on this awesome device.

It's not dead, but it's been on life support for a very long time, now. Blefish is the only active, transparent developer this device has going for, and even he doesn't have public releases yet and encounters numerous issues. There is no real Jellybean for this device, regardless of the fact that the hardware is capable, and so for all intents and purposes it is dead, for the time being. But that could change.
Regardless, this is a terrible thread and if you want to help you shouldn't spam this forum. There are specific forums for this sort of inane garbage.

I think it's dead anymore since we can't go through jellybean. There are only 2 person as i know who have coding knowledge;dzo and blefish.Besides we haven't seen a working wifi for jellybean both of them;so this makes the phone dead,in my view.

i think the points are quite clear now.. in android world, a phone is "dead" if there is not much active development/support for the latest updates going around (either officially or from individuals)..
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OP, just did a search and found out that u ported a xperia style rom to our phone, so that makes u a developer of this phone.. thx for the work..
(though another GB rom does not interest me that much.. )

I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800

Would just like to clarify something
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:

rqmok said:
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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HD2 is dead and it still has developers.
It's not developing, it's passed on. This phone is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late phone. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If we haven't bought it , it would be pushing up the daisies. It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-phone. Capisci?

rqmok said:
No. Our phone will never be dead, as long as we have devs working on it.
I would also like to point out something:
Just because I ported Xperia Style GB ROM, doesn't mean I have become a developer. BUT at least I am trying to build JB for our device. Yes, I have downloaded the CM10 source and have started building it. Since this is the first ever ROM I will build, which is why I am getting help from Blefish (thanks a lot Blefish. I really appreciate your efforts).
I am trying my best to keep this project going, but I have my studies and other important things (won't mention because they are personal). It is my second last year in High School, so I don't get much time (i'm sorry).
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GATHER KNOWLEDGE AND START BUILDING FOR OUR DEVICE. WE NEED AS MUCH DEVELOPERS AS POSSIBLE WORKING ON THIS DEVICE!
I know gathering the knowledge is hard, but we have the Q&A section where you can ask something whenever you are stuck. Please step forward and start working!
Thanks for understanding.:good:
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ok i take back my previous recognition of u as a developer.. now you are a developer-to-be for this great phone.. (honestly, no sarcasm attached.. )
and while i think u8800 is dead, u see it as a living pal.. no problem.. case closed.. (no sarcasm, again..)
now back to business.. i would very much be happy to see a jb rom created and surely would give it a try in my u8800..
i just hope u can keep this enthusiasm and keep working on this jb-rom-to-come..
honestly speaking, having enthusiasm on something and start working on it are not that difficult.. its the persistence and patience (in dealing with obstacles) that make the difference..
good luck and hope to hear from u soon.. :good:

Blefish said:
I'd like to point out that just because I haven't released a rom does not mean I am not working on it. Just hang on as there is awesome stuff coming up!
I know I am not the fastest developer around, but I always try to do things "properly". Of which I mean I try to provide good code that would be reusable in the future.
Sent from my U8800
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Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:

rastek said:
Hey,
I just don't understand something so i want to ask you. I am following you on twitter and see that it is really not easy making kernel 3.4. I just want to know, wouldn't it be easier if you just use the 3.0.8 kernel that we already have and maybe tweak it a bit? 3.0.8 should work with CM10. I just don't see the point of triing so hard to make the new kernel for CM10. Let's look in the future and if you release your rom in 2 months for now there will not be so many people that would find it usefull because many of U8800 users are already switching to new devices. And in may there is coming KLP.
Thanks for clarification! :good:
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I understand what you are trying to say to Blefish.
I'll tell you. May it be 3.0.8 or 3.1 kernel, the story is the same: no Bluetooth and no WiFi. The 3.0.8 will need to be made compatible with CM10, but making WiFi and Bluetooth work will still won't be easy. That's why it is better to work on 3.1 kernel when you know that both kernels have the same story.
I hope you understand.

My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
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alexmbra said:
My phone is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's the spirit!!
rastek said:
Ok i understand that wifi and bt do not work with 3.0.8 and cm10, but blefish said in one thread that it is just a matter of configuration and is not nearly as hard as making a new kernel. I think blefish could make it work with 3.0.8.
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Yes, it is a matter of configuration.
All we have right now are the drivers from Aurora and the drivers from official Huawei ROMs. To make CM10, the drivers need to be taken from an older ROM and put into CM10. Now, it is not just a matter of copy-pasting. Our current drivers are not compatible with JB. Blefish has made some things working. The biggest problem is the WiFi. The old WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10, and this is the hardest part. This is why there has been no one, yet, who has been able to do this.
No matter what kernel it is, may it be 3.0.8 or 3.1, the WiFi drivers need to be made compatible with CM10.
I think oguzhan mobile was able to fix the WiFi to the extent where it actually turned on, but it wouldn't scan. I don't know why he stopped development. I am not sure what kernel oguzhan mobile was using, but I think it was 3.0.8. I think you might be right that it would be easier for our phone to use the 3.0.8 kernel, but I think the 3.1 kernel would run better with CM10.1.
If you really want to know why Blefish wouldn't use 3.0.8 kernel, then you would need to Blefish himself. I have already said what I think, but I am not sure if I am right.
I am going to give it a try with 3.0.8 kernel. It might be easier than 3.1 kernel. I'll just have to find out

I like the way you talk....
Waiting for JB...
Sent from my U8800 using Tapatalk 2

Just follow @rtammekivi on Twitter if you want to know what's going on.

Phone is dead

[Q] Beta-testers needed.

Hi guys,
I am trying to develop ROMs for Android. And I have developed one. This ROM is based on the stock HTC One ROM. Getting straight to the point, I need some Beta-Testers as I don't have the device with me. Sure, I'm gonna buy it soon. But in the meantime, I don't want to waste my precious time. SO< ANYONE INTERESTED? :highfive:
Thanks in advance.

Blind builds like what you did are not encouraged because it magnifies the chances of things to go wrong since you can't test the ROM yourself. Just a not of caution

pandaball said:
Blind builds like what you did are not encouraged because it magnifies the chances of things to go wrong since you can't test the ROM yourself. Just a not of caution
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yea. I know it is a blind build, but I didn't really do any huge modifications. Just some changes here and there. I have the build ready with me. I just need a guy to tell me surely that this build is safe to work upon further. That's because I am gonna resort to android development in future.

Short of sounding like a D-bag, what you're asking for is a little ridiculous. You sound like you're new to developing, new to the boards (Welcome btw) and don't have the device yourself. Its like asking a random person to test drive a car you just built by reading a "Build-it-yourself Car". If you had more credibility, i.e. More posts, past work, past examples of ROMs or even a list of what was "modified" in this ROM, people might step up to help.

V2IBH2V said:
Hi guys,
I am trying to develop ROMs for Android. And I have developed one. This ROM is based on the stock HTC One ROM. Getting straight to the point, I need some Beta-Testers as I don't have the device with me. Sure, I'm gonna buy it soon. But in the meantime, I don't want to waste my precious time. SO< ANYONE INTERESTED? :highfive:
Thanks in advance.
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what's so different with your rom and the roms already out ?

ant78 said:
what's so different with your rom and the roms already out ?
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Everyone's gotta start somewhere, even just doing this is good practice for him.
I'd test for ya op but I rely heavily on this phone and I'm s off. I'd advise any testers to be s on just to be extra safe
Sent from my Tricked out HTC One

Squirrel1620 said:
Everyone's gotta start somewhere, even just doing this is good practice for him.
I'd test for ya op but I rely heavily on this phone and I'm s off. I'd advise any testers to be s on just to be extra safe
Sent from my Tricked out HTC One
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I do agree you have to start somewhere. But he should get his own device and test it himself. That is better than just creating something that you don't even know it works.
Some "experienced" developers sometimes don't even own the device to create a custom ROM. But the key is that they are already experienced and would know how things work. But for someone who is starting out and have very little experience, they are better off doing the tesing themselves.

I bet he is not really a dev but more like a zip dev if you know what I mean.

OP.. please understand. Your new here, you have no proven track record, your asking people to entrust a €600 device to something that you have 1. not clearly laid out in your opening post 2. have no means to test yourself 3. can not provide support if you feck up other peoples devices.
Sorry but without any past experience here your trust level is 0.
Your request is akin to a nigerian ringing me and telling me I've won a multi-million € win and all they need is my bank account, and credit card info....
At least stick around here, get the device yourself, build up your reputation, and try a few things yourself and then clearly lay out what you have done in any further thread requesting testers because blind faith only goes so far......... unless you are indeed Jesus (or a nigerian with my mulit-million pound win)...

Wow.. so we can't waste his precious time. Lol
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Hey hey hey! Please don't classify me as a ZIP dev..!
N yeah. Here's the change-log of my ROM(though it's not much):
1. Rooted
2. Busy-box added.
3. Changed the boot-animation a bit.
4. changed the power down animation a bit.
And' thats all.

V2IBH2V said:
Hey hey hey! Please don't classify me as a ZIP dev..!
N yeah. Here's the change-log of my ROM(though it's not much):
1. Rooted
2. Busy-box added.
3. Changed the boot-animation a bit.
4. changed the power down animation a bit.
And' thats all.
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I think everyone has to start somewhere, but I think the people are looking at stuff like what did you change in functionality not just cosmetics. Try playing around with build prop and stuff
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Android The Greek said:
I think everyone has to start somewhere, but I think the people are looking at stuff like what did you change in functionality not just cosmetics. Try playing around with build prop and stuff
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Yeah, sure. I would work on this ROM further. But somebody has to test this adolescent ROM first, because it could happen that I work upon this ROM without testing it and then it would happen that it won't work. And then I could have to roll-back, only to start from scratch.
And that is why I'm asking you guys to test this out. I guarantee regular updates, fixes, etc.