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In comparing the iPad with the Xoom, no doubt the iPad's display looks nicer. I have Dell IPS and non-IPS monitors and the color gamut on the IPS looks nicer.
However, I don't think Motorola "cheaped" out on the display as I've been hearing in passing. I think what it came down to is this no parts manufacturer has developed a mobile IPS display at 1280x800 because if they did, you know Apple would've used it in their MacBook Pro's.
So, if you were VP of Moto's Product Development, would you have made the same decision?
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Here's a link to an image that you can use to test image quality across different device. Try to display at 100% as different scaling algorithms may degrade the image quality.
ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
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The stock photo viewer does suck. If the image is scaled at all, it looks a bit garbled.
Go to the market and download QuickPic. It's a MUCH better photo gallery app, and even large images taken with my DSLR look good scaled down.
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For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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I'd have to agree. I'll take 1280x800 and slightly reduced image qualit over 1024x768
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
Why are some people saying that the LCD on Xoom is non-IPS? Has it been confirmed already? I can't find the model number of the Xoom LCD panel. iFixit doesn't list it, maybe I can email them and ask. But from all the review pictures and videos I've seen so far, the view angel of the Xoom LCD does seem very wide, on par with typical IPS panel. Color reproduction-wise, it can vary a lot among IPS panels depending on model. Without doubt, the one on the iPad is exceptional. But then, with the volume that Apple is shipping, they probably won't have much problem getting some custom made specification.
EDIT: Ok, I just Googled. iSuppli has the part list
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/XOOMBOM-Totals-$359-92-IHS-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
The display model is AUOptronics B101EW04 V.0, and it doesn't mention the panel type (no, TFT is not a panel type). Googling this model number gives me nothing. iSuppli does mention that the IPS panel on the iPad is infact AFFS panel, a high quatlity and newer type of IPS panel (those who have modded their Thinkpad X200 are familiar with this type of panel).
Alright, answering my own question.
Did some Googling and it seems that AUO doesn't make any IPS panel. Cannot find B101EW04 on their website, but their website does list a B101EW05. Judging from the model number it may be similar to the B101EW04 that Xoom uses. Perhaps it's a newer model that replaces the B101EW04?
http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
B101EW05 is a 10.1" 1280x800 VA panel. VA panels are high quality panels that are comparable to IPS. Dell WFP 2407, 2407-HC, and 2408 (and maybe more, I just know these models) all use VA panels and everyone knows that they look exceptional. The B101EW05 looks spectacular on spec sheet, and enters into production only in Q4 2010. Perhaps just a little bit too late to be employed on the Xoom?
Someone in another thread that is a professional photographers said the xoom is more accurate on color than his ipad, for what it's worth.
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When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
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Are you also keeping yours now??
Don't confuse a bright and colorful display with accuracy. Accurate means the way it looks in real life. Look out the window, it does not look like Wonderland or Oz.
A photographer needs an accurate representation on a device of his work so that the final product is not misrepresented.
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IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
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Well, yea, I think most XDA readers know that IPS is LCD, but I just wanted to keep the title short.
I just added a link to a test image for those who want to test the quality of their different displays.
I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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Resolution wouldn't be a problem for Apple. Since iOS devices are made only by Apple, Apple has complete control over what resolution their devices use. And given the volume that Apple ships (they sold 15 million of iPads in the first 9 month for god sake...), they probably can have a screen made to their specification (e.g. the super high pixel density screen of the iPhone 4).
It's the viewing angles that make IPS screens so much better.
Lay both an iPad and a Xoom flat side by side in portrait mode and look at them as you're laying down on a bed. You'll definitely notice a difference. The blues at the top of the Xoom screen of the tron-like Honeycomb wallpaper turn purple. The iPad colors largely look the same no matter what angle you're looking at it.
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
ianlti said:
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
our IT nerd from work lent me his iPad for direct comparison and I have to admit that the Xoom does not even get close to the viewing angles of the iPad. Due to the 16:10 form factor the Xoom also appears smaller. Still, I'm having so much fun with my Xoom that if you don't torture yourself with putting the iPad right next to it it works well!
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
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You mean 8.9 not 9.7.
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I'm trying to make the right decision when buying my first tablet. I am away of the minor differences with docking support and usb ports and what not. I am also aware that the galaxy 10.1 is thinner than the transformer. I am uninterested in these things.
The only thing that matters to me is the Panel. From my small amount of research I've found that that transformer has an IPS display and a higher PPI than the galaxy tab. This of course does not necessarily mean it looks better. Can someone who has both tablets or at least seen them side by side, comment on the differences of the screens? Also the off viewing angles please. Thank you.
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No higher ppi. They both have the same resolution and same screen size. The Tab 10.1 has a PLS panel (IPS type).
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No higher ppi. They both have the same resolution and same screen size. The Tab 10.1 has a PLS panel (IPS type).
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Strange. I need to check my info because I was certain there was a PPI difference. Also I thought I specifically remember someone complaining about the galaxy having a non ips panel???
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Those who complain are probably uninformed. Don't worry, the display should be at least as good as the one in the Transformer.
I find in comparing the 10.1 to the transformer that the display on the 10.1 is better. They aren't really a huge difference between each other though. It's so minimal.
Transformer has an IPS display and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a PLS display, which is suppose to be a slight improvement.
Both IPS and PLS are pretty good and look much better than the VA panels in the Xoom and A500.
As for PPI. I did a google search for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 PPI, because my math skills aren't good enough to figure out myself. Funnily though, I'm apparently not the only person with poor math skills, because I've seen the PPI listed at 149, 160, and 170, all for the 10.1 1280x800 screen. But really two tablets with 10.1 inch 1280x800 screens should have identical PPI... it stands for pixels per inch and they have the same 1,024,000 pixels (1280x800, my math skills are good enough to figure that much out), so the PPI has got to be the same.
1280x800 is 16:10 aspect ratio.
10.1 inch diagonal at 16:10 aspect ratio means the display is 8.56 inches long, 5.35 inches wide.
1280 pixels in 8.56 inches = 149.53 pixels per inch.
I had a transformer and the screen was TERRIBLE with fingerprints. I had to constantly wipe the screen and that was no easy task. It took a lot of buffing using a microfiber cloth.
Not so on ipad2. It keeps clean longer and when dirty, wipes off very easily. My Captivate is the same. Doesn't get that dirty and easy to clean.
How will the 10.1 be? Anyone know?
The 10.1 seemed better than the xoom. It wiped clean easy and fingerprint retention wasn't that bad. The xoom seemed harder to wipe clean and attracted finger prints alot more.
For me the 10.1 display looks better than that on the Transformer, clarity, vibrance and colours are very good..
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I had a transformer and the screen was TERRIBLE with fingerprints. I had to constantly wipe the screen and that was no easy task. It took a lot of buffing using a microfiber cloth.
Not so on ipad2. It keeps clean longer and when dirty, wipes off very easily. My Captivate is the same. Doesn't get that dirty and easy to clean.
How will the 10.1 be? Anyone know?
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I just found out from another thread that the galaxy 10.1 definitely does NOT have an oleophobic coating.
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And for the record an oleophobic coating only lasts about a year. I would still love to have one though
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I have owned the Galaxy Tab 10.1 since its launch date last June. With all of the competing tablets that have arrived on the market since that time, along with the soon-to-be-released Asus Infinity, none of them have matched the Tab 10.1 in four areas that I highly value in a tablet.
1) Comfort. The 10.1’s smooth contoured border and the etched plastic backing makes it comfortable to hold, keeps the device lightweight, and provides enough grip to feel secure in the hands without using a third-party shell. I owned the iPad 3 for a couple of weeks and had to use a TPU case with it -- not only to protect the scratch prone aluminum backing, but also to dull its sharp tapered edge and provide a sufficient grip. I have to mention that adding a TPU shell also adds substantial weight to an already “heavy” tablet.
2) Color uniformity and the lack of backlight bleed. The 10.1 is the only tablet I have seen that has solid color uniformity and zero backlight bleed. Yellow and pink blotches on the iPad 3’s display are what made me hesitantly it. I was going to exchange it for a new one, but from what I have read, the blotchy display pattern is still ubiquitous and I wasn’t going to try my hand at finding the diamond on the rough.
3) Speaker placement. I am surprised that even Samsung moved away from their original speaker placement for the Galaxy Tab 2. The current speaker design found on the Tab 2 and the Galaxy Note 10.1 looks tack to me in comparison. IMO, no other speaker arrangement beats the original Tab 10.1 The speakers provide crystal clear stereo sound while remaining hidden along the tablet’s border. They are also in the least likely areas to be covered up by the hands or chest. I do hope Samsung will decide to return to the original speaker arrangement in their next Tab iteration. Finding out that the Asus Infinity maintains a mono speaker layout was a definite disappointment does make me reconsider that device as an upgrade path.
4) An logo free black bezel. This is one attribute that some people may not notice, but I certainly do appreciate. There is just something about having a clean black bezel tha the remains uniform when holding the tablet both in landscape and portrait. I’m not sure if Apple bullied Samsung into putting their logo on all of their devices, but I would like to see the return of logo free bezels on Android tablets. I don’t believe this design criterion should be patentable.
So now it is a year since release of the Tab 10.1. Because I use the tablet mainly as a reading device, resolution does matter for me. If the Galaxy Note 10.1 does indeed have a 1280x800 display, I really can’t consider it as a next-gen device with the 2012 releases of the iPad 3 and Asus Infinity. At this point, I may just continue to wait this year out. The fabled Samsung Galaxy Tab 11.6" with 2560x1600 resolution is what I am waiting for.
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I have owned the Galaxy Tab 10.1 since its launch date last June. With all of the competing tablets that have arrived on the market since that time, along with the soon-to-be-released Asus Infinity, none of them have matched the Tab 10.1 in four areas that I highly value in a tablet.
1) Comfort. The 10.1’s smooth contoured border.......
2) Color uniformity and the lack of backlight.......
3) Speaker placement. I am surprised that even Samsung moved away from their original speaker placement for the Galaxy Tab 2. The current speaker design found on the Tab 2 and the Galaxy Note 10.1 looks tack to me in comparison. IMO, no other speaker arrangement beats the original Tab 10.1 The speakers provide crystal clear stereo sound while remaining hidden along the tablet’s border. They are also in the least likely areas to be covered up by the hands or chest. I do hope Samsung will decide to return to the original speaker arrangement in their next Tab iteration. Finding out that the Asus Infinity maintains a mono speaker layout was a definite disappointment does make me reconsider that device as an upgrade path.
4) An logo free black bezel. This is one attribute that some people may not notice, but I certainly do appreciate. There is just something about having a clean black bezel tha the remains uniform when holding the tablet both in landscape and portrait. I’m not sure if Apple bullied Samsung into putting their logo on all of their devices, but I would like to see the return of logo free bezels on Android tablets. I don’t believe this design criterion should be patentable.
So now it is a year since release of the Tab 10.1. Because I use the tablet mainly as a reading device, resolution does matter for me. If the Galaxy Note 10.1 does indeed have a 1280x800 display, I really can’t consider it as a next-gen device with the 2012 releases of the iPad 3 and Asus Infinity. At this point, I may just continue to wait this year out. The fabled Samsung Galaxy Tab 11.6" with 2560x1600 resolution is what I am waiting for.
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I'm with you on points 1 & 2 completely. But on points 3 & 4, not so much.
On point 3... Samsung "had" setup to change the speaker layout... Apple won the court case so Samsung had to redesign the original Tab10.1 so it could sell them over seas. That's how we got the Galaxy10.1n.
On point 4... I have a Grey 16G Wifi only Tab and it has no logo on it. Do 3g/LTE Tabs (Verizon, AT&T...) have a logo?
And as for a next generation tablet from Samsung... That would be the Galaxy Note 10.1... Quad core processor, better all around screen, more ram and Spen technology.... I think Samsung was more concerned with cornering the market on size and quantity..... Just saying.
But I'm also with you on the waiting thing. I'm happy with my Tab and everything it dose.
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I have owned the Galaxy Tab 10.1 since its launch date last June. With all of the competing tablets that have arrived on the market since that time, along with the soon-to-be-released Asus Infinity, none of them have matched the Tab 10.1 in four areas that I highly value in a tablet.
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I agree with most of what you say but while it was the best possible tablet when I bought it in early January, I wouldn't buy a G.Tab 10.1" (or a Tab 2) today. I would rather buy a Transformer TF300 or wait a little longer for the Note 10.1" or the Transformer Infinity or even the Acer Iconia A700.
1) Comfort.
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Definitely, it's still one of the lighest and slimmest tablets around, one of the most comfortable to hold, one of the better looking and I HATE metal back panels for a lot of reasons (feel in hand, weight, signal interferance etc) so really I find the G.Tab 10.1" simply ideal.
2) Color uniformity and the lack of backlight bleed.
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Yes, very good display (and good GPS and very good Wi-Fi reception). Good cameras too, with flash which occasionally comes handy in more ways than one. I like the overall design a lot.
3) Speaker placement.
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Like another poster has already told yuo they HAD to redesign the tablet. What I find absurd is that some of the new tablets around today are very similar to our version of G.Tab...
4) An logo free black bezel. This is one attribute that some people may not notice, but I certainly do appreciate. There is just something about having a clean black bezel tha the remains uniform when holding the tablet both in landscape and portrait. I’m not sure if Apple bullied Samsung into putting their logo on all of their devices, but I would like to see the return of logo free bezels on Android tablets. I don’t believe this design criterion should be patentable.
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I would rather have no logo at all on a full black bezel but the the logo I have on my G.Tab is "low visibility" (much less, for example, than that on my Note), a smart move.
Actually, I see only 2 cons to this tablet: lack of SD card slot and incomplete 3G functionality (SMS works but I would LOVE to get full phone capability like in the Tab 2).
So now it is a year since release of the Tab 10.1. Because I use the tablet mainly as a reading device, resolution does matter for me. If the Galaxy Note 10.1 does indeed have a 1280x800 display, I really can’t consider it as a next-gen device with the 2012 releases of the iPad 3 and Asus Infinity. At this point, I may just continue to wait this year out. The fabled Samsung Galaxy Tab 11.6" with 2560x1600 resolution is what I am waiting for.
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Yes I would definitely like to have a higher resolution display but I am thinking about 1920x1200, I am not interested at all in these ultra-high resolutions because they are totally overkill on 10" screens (or 11.6", for that matter). They just add weight, thickness and price and shorten battery runtime. I blame Apple for putting this BS marketing gimmick into people's minds (they are probably overcompensating because their iCrap1 and iCrap2 have the lowest PPI screen of all the tablets... :laugh: )
Does the note 10.1 count as a rumored tablet by Samsung?
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I think the speaker placement on the Tab is HORRIBLE. When listening to music or a movie I need to cup my hands over the side of the Tab to hear it well. The Note does it right and I'm tempted to get a Note when it comes out just for this feature alone.
However, I think that the Asus Infinity, which will soon be out, will be the one to get. It will be my replacement for the Tab.
I had the 7.0 tab first then igot the 10.1. i am looking forward to a better customized tablet. The picture quality on this tab, for me, is horrible. I have the gsm version and most of the time i can only pick up a signal on wifi. i think the note would be better for me but i do enjoy the size of the screen.
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I would like to find out how much better tablet screens you can find in the market compared to the TF300 screen.
I am ok with the TF300 screen, but not thrilled. Viewing angles are ok, but colors do wash out or change somewhat at certain directions. Brightness is good for indoors, but fails completely outdoors on a bright summer day (even at shade). Black levels could be better for movies. And screen colors/contrast seem average (i.e. colors do not stand out, not very vivid). Finally, I would appreciate a smaller gap between the glass and the actual screen layer.
Have you compared the TF300's screen with other tablets? What's your opinion?
p.s. I am not talking about the screen resolution factor, this one is very easy to see on the specs.
Ipad4. The best...
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Ipad4. The best...
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Nope.
The Tf700 actually has a beautiful screen because of larger res, and is much brighter outdoors. Idk about color washing though.
He said 'tf300's screen with other tablets' So i said, that iPad's (4gn) is much better screen, compared to tf300t. I am not comparing iPad and TF700...
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Wait for the Asus TF 701 it will come with a 300 ppi screen and 2560 x 1600 resolution that is pretty stunning.
The upcoming note 10.1 2014 edition or the nexus 10 by Samsung at present in the market
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What stands out to me is being able to use it in the sun. That's going to be hard to find in a tablet, especially with so many manufacturer going to amoled.
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I must say I had high hopes for this tablet. And it hasn't disappointed except in one area. That small 7" screen. I'd been using a Asus Transformer TF101 for over 2 years, and this screen just doesn't cut it for me. Going back to a 10" screen. I sure wish EVGA would release a 10" version of this tablet because I'd buy it. As it is I'll probably go with the latest Transformer. I'll miss that stylus though (Galaxy Note 10" is too expensive). So if you're considering this tablet and you're coming from a larger tablet, take note. Borrow a friends if you can for a couple of days to see how you like it.
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I must say I had high hopes for this tablet. And it hasn't disappointed except in one area. That small 7" screen. I'd been using a Asus Transformer TF101 for over 2 years, and this screen just doesn't cut it for me. Going back to a 10" screen. I sure wish EVGA would release a 10" version of this tablet because I'd buy it. As it is I'll probably go with the latest Transformer. I'll miss that stylus though (Galaxy Note 10" is too expensive). So if you're considering this tablet and you're coming from a larger tablet, take note. Borrow a friends if you can for a couple of days to see how you like it.
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Try an eight inch screen, it's a good compromise. Size wise the Galaxy Tab 3 is only a little in spite of the screen being an inch larger. I prefer the fact it doesn't use on screen soft keys too as it means you get use all of the screen, all of the time...