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In comparing the iPad with the Xoom, no doubt the iPad's display looks nicer. I have Dell IPS and non-IPS monitors and the color gamut on the IPS looks nicer.
However, I don't think Motorola "cheaped" out on the display as I've been hearing in passing. I think what it came down to is this no parts manufacturer has developed a mobile IPS display at 1280x800 because if they did, you know Apple would've used it in their MacBook Pro's.
So, if you were VP of Moto's Product Development, would you have made the same decision?
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Here's a link to an image that you can use to test image quality across different device. Try to display at 100% as different scaling algorithms may degrade the image quality.
ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
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The stock photo viewer does suck. If the image is scaled at all, it looks a bit garbled.
Go to the market and download QuickPic. It's a MUCH better photo gallery app, and even large images taken with my DSLR look good scaled down.
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For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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I'd have to agree. I'll take 1280x800 and slightly reduced image qualit over 1024x768
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
Why are some people saying that the LCD on Xoom is non-IPS? Has it been confirmed already? I can't find the model number of the Xoom LCD panel. iFixit doesn't list it, maybe I can email them and ask. But from all the review pictures and videos I've seen so far, the view angel of the Xoom LCD does seem very wide, on par with typical IPS panel. Color reproduction-wise, it can vary a lot among IPS panels depending on model. Without doubt, the one on the iPad is exceptional. But then, with the volume that Apple is shipping, they probably won't have much problem getting some custom made specification.
EDIT: Ok, I just Googled. iSuppli has the part list
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/XOOMBOM-Totals-$359-92-IHS-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
The display model is AUOptronics B101EW04 V.0, and it doesn't mention the panel type (no, TFT is not a panel type). Googling this model number gives me nothing. iSuppli does mention that the IPS panel on the iPad is infact AFFS panel, a high quatlity and newer type of IPS panel (those who have modded their Thinkpad X200 are familiar with this type of panel).
Alright, answering my own question.
Did some Googling and it seems that AUO doesn't make any IPS panel. Cannot find B101EW04 on their website, but their website does list a B101EW05. Judging from the model number it may be similar to the B101EW04 that Xoom uses. Perhaps it's a newer model that replaces the B101EW04?
http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
B101EW05 is a 10.1" 1280x800 VA panel. VA panels are high quality panels that are comparable to IPS. Dell WFP 2407, 2407-HC, and 2408 (and maybe more, I just know these models) all use VA panels and everyone knows that they look exceptional. The B101EW05 looks spectacular on spec sheet, and enters into production only in Q4 2010. Perhaps just a little bit too late to be employed on the Xoom?
Someone in another thread that is a professional photographers said the xoom is more accurate on color than his ipad, for what it's worth.
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When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
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Are you also keeping yours now??
Don't confuse a bright and colorful display with accuracy. Accurate means the way it looks in real life. Look out the window, it does not look like Wonderland or Oz.
A photographer needs an accurate representation on a device of his work so that the final product is not misrepresented.
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IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
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Well, yea, I think most XDA readers know that IPS is LCD, but I just wanted to keep the title short.
I just added a link to a test image for those who want to test the quality of their different displays.
I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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Resolution wouldn't be a problem for Apple. Since iOS devices are made only by Apple, Apple has complete control over what resolution their devices use. And given the volume that Apple ships (they sold 15 million of iPads in the first 9 month for god sake...), they probably can have a screen made to their specification (e.g. the super high pixel density screen of the iPhone 4).
It's the viewing angles that make IPS screens so much better.
Lay both an iPad and a Xoom flat side by side in portrait mode and look at them as you're laying down on a bed. You'll definitely notice a difference. The blues at the top of the Xoom screen of the tron-like Honeycomb wallpaper turn purple. The iPad colors largely look the same no matter what angle you're looking at it.
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
ianlti said:
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
our IT nerd from work lent me his iPad for direct comparison and I have to admit that the Xoom does not even get close to the viewing angles of the iPad. Due to the 16:10 form factor the Xoom also appears smaller. Still, I'm having so much fun with my Xoom that if you don't torture yourself with putting the iPad right next to it it works well!
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
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I've been trying to understand the relative differences between the IPS displays used in the IPAD 2 and the Transformer, the Super PLS display of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the TFT used in the XOOM. I settled on contrast ratio as an objective means of comparison.
Article 1 XOOM: 750
Article 2 XOOM: 597!
iPad 2: 775
Galaxy Tab 10.1: 830
Transformer: 763
Article Quote: "Contrast ratio is also better on the Galaxy Tab 10.1: 830:1 vs 763:1 on the Eee Pad Transformer."
What surprises me the most out of all this, besides the XOOM discrepancies , is that the contrast of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 display is not as incredible as we were lead to believe. It compares favorably with IPS, but isn't really leaps and bounds better. In fact, it might have equivalent or slightly lower contrast than an IPS display, or conventional display but better viewing angles.
Interesting quote: "On the other hand IPS (and PLS) has significantly lower contrast ratios compared to the best VA based panels that Samsung and other manufacturers have used in high-end phones for years."
Side note is that the multiple contrast ratios for the XOOM screen might reflect the multiple screen sources/manufacturers that were used in different XOOMs.
Sources:
http://galaxytablife.com/2011/06/eee-pad-transformer-vs-galaxy-tab-10-1-comparison/
http://www.tabletreaderinfo.com/content/Motorola-Xoom-Tablet-Review/Screen.htm
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4191/motorola-xoom-review-first-honeycomb-tablet-arrives/2
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1291980086
The most important things to me on a tablet screen:
1. Color reproduction. Is it uniform and even? This leads me to
2. Viewing angles, top, bottom, left and right. Does the screen stay relatively sharp or does the image dissolve/wash out?
3. No back-light bleed. This is inexcusable regardless of the lectures people spout out about it being inherent to the technology. It's not when the product is designed correctly.
The panel in the GTab 10.1 is beautiful. It meets my criteria where the xoom failed on all of them and the iPad failed miserably on back-light bleed.
Contrast ratio to me is just a number. I have tolerances for all my electronics devices and to me, the panel on the Samsung is the clear winner in the tablet race. Let's hope the build quality follows suit. I'm already starting to get annoyed at how long a full charge takes.
The screen looks amazing! The only thing I noticed is that the screen calibration is a
little bit oversaturated. I'm planning on using mine as a photography/design portfolio and have noticed color shift when compared to my calibrated monitor.
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I had Xooms (with both screen versions Auo and Sharp), an I pad and now a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the screen on my tab is far and awy better than all of them.
The Xoom has 2 screen fkavors, Sharp and Auo optronics. the screen mfg by Sharp had much better color saturation and better contrast, but unfortunately for me, a ton of light bleed due to a defect in the panel.
Specs only tell part of the story.
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The screen looks amazing! The only thing I noticed is that the screen calibration is a
little bit oversaturated. I'm planning on using mine as a photography/design portfolio and have noticed color shift when compared to my calibrated monitor.
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When Samsung releases the kernel source, supercurio can start developing his Voodoo Sound and Screen tweaks for the SGT 10.1, which will make color reproduction much more realistic.
I'm new with android and this is awesome to hear. I also own the iPad 2 and Datacolor made an in app color calibrated picture viewer called SpyderGallery but an overall screen color calibration would be awesome!
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matt310 said:
The most important things to me on a tablet screen:
1. Color reproduction. Is it uniform and even? This leads me to
2. Viewing angles, top, bottom, left and right. Does the screen stay relatively sharp or does the image dissolve/wash out?
3. No back-light bleed. This is inexcusable regardless of the lectures people spout out about it being inherent to the technology. It's not when the product is designed correctly.
The panel in the GTab 10.1 is beautiful. It meets my criteria where the xoom failed on all of them and the iPad failed miserably on back-light bleed.
Contrast ratio to me is just a number. I have tolerances for all my electronics devices and to me, the panel on the Samsung is the clear winner in the tablet race. Let's hope the build quality follows suit. I'm already starting to get annoyed at how long a full charge takes.
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I threw these numbers out there because, so far, almost all the info on PLS panels used in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been primarily subjective. Its totally new technology.
However, recently, Samsung has started to develop the PLS Panels for use in stand-alone computer monitors, and some reviewers are beginning to analyze and reveiw the technology. This is a really interesting article, and "sheds some light" (to make a bad pun) on the PLS panel technology used in the Galaxy Tab 10.1, how it works and some of its pros and cons:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sa850.html
Remember this is a stand alone PLS monitor, so one would expect its performance would exceed that of an integrated tablet screen, but they found a contrast ration of only 545:1. Thats pretty bad in my opinion. They try to theorize why this occurs:
"The low contrast ratio may be due to the poor uniformity of the backlight. The picture based on the results of my measurements shows a bright spot in the center of the screen, just where I measured the contrast ratio. That spot is not as bright as the bottom left corner, though.
Although the extent of the variation in brightness is exaggerated in the picture for illustrative purposes, the monitor is obviously far from ideal, especially with black. Talking about the exact numbers, the average nonuniformity of brightness for black is 8% whereas the maximum deflection from the base level is as high as 45%! For white, the average and maximum are 3.6% and 8.3%, respectively. It’s hard to say why the monitor is so good with white and so poor with black....."
So, disturbingly, they found the first dedicated PLS prototype monitor to have POOR contrast ratio!! Not what you would expect. They theorize that it might be due to poor backlighting, but it is worrisome.
To summarize what the reviewers found after examining this prototype PLS monitor:
Highs:
•Low response time, good color rendering, excellent viewing angles
•Full coverage of the sRGB color space
Lows
•Low contrast ratio
•Poor uniformity of backlight for black
If this review is accurate, these first panels seem to show that the PLS technology is good, but not great. Its an OK alternative to IPS but really not that stellar in its performance. Its biggest advantage seems to be that it is a cheap alternatative to IPS that has much better viewing angles.
Remember, one of the biggest selling points cited by Samsung was cost! Its cheaper to produce than IPS. That may be a larger motivation to Samsung than increased performance.
Of course, how this translates to the performance of our own toys is debateable, but its something to think about beyond the subjective impressions we have already heard.
That's definitely interesting. Perhaps the larger the panel, the greater the difficulty in achieving a uniform amount of back-light. I have definitely experienced this with clouding and flash-lighting on TV sets (and mainly the reason I switched to plasma - I'd rather roll the dice with image retention than sit and stare at uneven back-lighting during movies)
Have you read about the issues Samsung's having with the panel thickness on the GTab 8.9? There's not much other than a translated-from-Korean report, but it seems the company (and panel suppliers) use a very thin "G1F" touch panel for the 10.1, and may be forced to use a (40%!) thicker application (GFF) for the GTab 8.9 due to either shortages in supply or complications in the manufacturing process.
^I think that bit is a key factor when comparing display performance - anything that sits on top of the actual pixels will contribute to the clarity of the content being displayed. Here's the article: http://tablets-planet.com/2011/06/10/samsung-to-use-lower-quality-dispalys-on-some-galaxy-tab-8-9s/
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That's definitely interesting. Perhaps the larger the panel, the greater the difficulty in achieving a uniform amount of back-light. I have definitely experienced this with clouding and flash-lighting on TV sets (and mainly the reason I switched to plasma - I'd rather roll the dice with image retention than sit and stare at uneven back-lighting during movies)
Have you read about the issues Samsung's having with the panel thickness on the GTab 8.9? There's not much other than a translated-from-Korean report, but it seems the company (and panel suppliers) use a very thin "G1F" touch panel for the 10.1, and may be forced to use a (40%!) thicker application (GFF) for the GTab 8.9 due to either shortages in supply or complications in the manufacturing process.
^I think that bit is a key factor when comparing display performance - anything that sits on top of the actual pixels will contribute to the clarity of the content being displayed. Here's the article: http://tablets-planet.com/2011/06/10/samsung-to-use-lower-quality-dispalys-on-some-galaxy-tab-8-9s/
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Thanks. Very interesting article. Especially considering that there has been a lot of talk about the quality control of the existing 10.1 panels. There have been threads about moisture under the screen, dust under the screen, lots of people with dead pixels. Haven't encountered nearly so many screen anomalies in other device forums. Wonder if that's the reason the GTAB 10.1 is so scarce in many places. Perhaps there are problems producing the 10.1 screens.
Oh and I went Plasma for all my TV's as well for the same reason, in addition to the faster response time. Even my video gaming TV is a Plasma. And I have never had a single problem with image retention.
Edit: Looks like another website has an article about the screen supply problem, only this time relating specifically to the GTAB 10.1. They speculate on a change in GTAB thickness if they can't make enough of the screens.
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-to-be-thicker-than-ipad-2-due-to-supply-shortage-10158766/
Maybe soon there will be THREE versions of the GTAB 10.1: The 10.1, the 10.1v and the 10.1 series 2 extra thick!
I just found dust on my screen. Its definitely behind the glass panel.
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Slashgear is rife with editorial errors. that article misquotes the one I linked earlier. They even have published content that indicates it's the 8.9 and not the 10.1 affected but the different panel thickness:
http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-tab...tter-screen-in-some-areas-at-launch-10158611/
Either way, I doubt the US will see the thicker screen - they continued shipping AMOLED phone displays here despite a worldwide shortage, causing many other markets to receive Super LCD screens instead.
As awesome as the note is what are your thoughts on what screen size you would like to see in the next note? I love big screens so I would go with 6" myself. Your thoughts?
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If the overall size and the weight will remain the same as of the present Note I sure wouldn't mind a 6 incher.
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If the overall size and the weight will remain the same as of the present Note I sure wouldn't mind a 6 incher.
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Yea that would be awesome. I can't believe the note is this thin and light for it's screen size and batter. Samsung has really impressed me with the note . This is my first samsung phone and I'm in love
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6" sounds about right, as long as they can minimize dimension increases by using a smaller bezel. In bed at night when reading ebooks or browsing the web, I hold the phone between my thumb and middle finger, pinching from top to bottom (large hands), and can barely do it with the Note, so don't want any larger height. Also, the weight's about at the limit for tiring my fingers over extended reading periods.
I'd be inclined for it to go somewhat smaller at 5"
and also change the res to 1280x720, cutting 10% off the width.
Are you guys crazy? Here's the size of an 5,7". It's looks so much bigger than 5,3! :0
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Are you guys crazy? Here's the size of an 5,7". It's looks so much bigger than 5,3! :0
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Because thats uggly and gigant frames
Yeah, but look at the size of the screen.
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Huge bezels on that e-reader make a big difference, but on second thought holding my fingers up to my screen making it 6 inches loss pretty big. I think 5.5" is more reasonably possible without increasing outside dimensions too much.
Yeah, ANYTHING bigger than 5'' is too big and will not fit in the pockets, it's pointless.
The BIGGEST size phone I'd buy is 5.5'' as something larger will not fit in my pockets & is therefore useless to me.
I like a device similar to the Note which is a balance between a smart phone & a tablet both in one.
It MUST fit in my pocket. The Note just about fits so people that are happy with a 6'' device will find it difficult fitting it in MOST of their clothes!
I think the Note is physically about as big as you can get before crossing into the Tablet space.
The niche of the Note is pockatable phone tablet.
The line is very narrow.
The Note is probably pushing the limits already. I bet the largest demographic for the Note is men... Because we're comfortable with the size. Most women wont be.
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I'd be inclined for it to go somewhat smaller at 5"
and also change the res to 1280x720, cutting 10% off the width.
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+ 1 It fits in my pocket, but it's tight, and difficult to get out if I'm not standing up. Just a hair smaller would help, but still bigger than the nexus.
I would go 5.5 inches at the most. I am pretty happy with the screen size. I'd love a 5.5 inch version, the same physical size but with smaller Bezels, mated to a quad core CPU, LTE, NFC, and a 4000mah battery. Also, a notification light would rock.
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I'd be inclined for it to go somewhat smaller at 5"
and also change the res to 1280x720, cutting 10% off the width.
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I agree - if it was exact 720p it would be narrower - the LG Nitro HD is only 68 mm wide, barely wider than the Atrix 2.
Anything 70 mm wide or less would be much easier to handle one-handed. The 83 mm width of my Note is quite daunting. I love everything else about it, or I would switch to the Nitro HD. If SG II HD LTE would only come with S-Pen, it would be my dream device ATM.
So screen size of 4.5" to 5", with 1280x720, would be the sweet spot for me!
I am used to the HTC 4.3 phone for about 2 years and switching to Galaxy Note is not problematic for me at all. I love the beautiful screen and the size is also an upgrade and moving toward a small Tablet territory. I like to read and watch video and also surf the net. This size appear quite good for those. I would not mind having a slightly bigger screen up to 6 inches as long as it as thin and remain fairly portable.
This Galaxy Note is so good that it is a mini version of the Tablet. It serves my needs for the time being and remain portable and still function as a phone - 2 very big pluses for this device. I can skip getting a tablet now.
I like big screen & i think this is the biggest it should be for note. If too big, it will be pain in the ass to carry every way..haha..
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it's surprising how bad the viewing angles are. It's more prevalent when you watch a movie on it like game of thrones where everything is dark. That or i'm having a major issue with light bleed. The blacks seem clouded and when i change the angle, you can see that the viewing angles aren't optimum.
Is this expected out of this note? I assume the PLS LCD from samsung was the IPS equivalent. It's shocking considering my Nexus 7 feels like a better screen.
It doesn't have the viewing angles of an AMOLED screen, but I find it sufficient. Based on what I've read in other sections of xda, PLS actually has better viewing angles than IPS or at least that's what's being perceived.
It's not just you, there is significant brightness falloff when viewing it off angle. However, there is very little, if any, color shift when viewing off angle. I can live with it, because of the pen. If it wasn't for the pen then there are several other tablets that are waay better at being tablets than the note.
I dont really have this problem, or else ive compensated in one way for another. In power savings mode i notice it more, but i have it on power savings mode at those times for a reason. See if you can change your screen mode in settings under display. That has helped me before during movies, however during movies i have this upright and i dont really touch the tablet .
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It's not just you, there is significant brightness falloff when viewing it off angle. However, there is very little, if any, color shift when viewing off angle. I can live with it, because of the pen. If it wasn't for the pen then there are several other tablets that are waay better at being tablets than the note.
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I don't think so. Can you name them? The ones that are better.
You fell for the trap ! No biting the bait !
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I don't think so. Can you name them? The ones that are better.
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iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.
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You fell for the trap ! No biting the bait ! lol guess I did
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iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.
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Friends of mine have Ipads, all versions of it and they all complain that my tab can do and handle alot more than thiers. the Nexus 10 is not as good as the note. Samsung I believe made the nexus 10. They are not gonna make a better product for someone else. And the Infinity? I hope you are joking! I had 3 of those things and and was not better than the note.
But I know everyone likes what they want to like regardless of what specs are so I am not bashing what you or anyone else likes:laugh:
It's just you.
GSMArena, Swedroid, and Anandtech are the three sites that do thorough standardized testing. GSMArena's review of the Note was 8 pages long. Here's what they said about the display. I think it pretty much matches people's experiences.
The 10.1-inch PLS LCD screen with a resolution of 1280 x 800 pixels gets the job done but fails to impress. Android slates such as the ASUS Transformer Prime TF700T and the Acer Iconia Tab A700 are rocking full HD resolution, and the iPad 3 is in a league of its own with its 3.1MP screen. As a result pixel density on the Note 10.1 is nothing to be excited about (149ppi), but big tablets like this are viewed at a bigger distance than phones, so it's not as much of an issue as you might have thought. Still, if you've seen the new iPad, the difference in sharpness is quite noticeable. Numbers aside, the image quality is decent. Viewing angles are very good and blacks look reasonably deep.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_10_1-review-798p2.php
DammitCubs said:
it's surprising how bad the viewing angles are. It's more prevalent when you watch a movie on it like game of thrones where everything is dark. That or i'm having a major issue with light bleed. The blacks seem clouded and when i change the angle, you can see that the viewing angles aren't optimum.
Is this expected out of this note? I assume the PLS LCD from samsung was the IPS equivalent. It's shocking considering my Nexus 7 feels like a better screen.
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I think some of you guys are staring to hard at HD LCD because there is zero issue looking at my screen from an angle and that's with brightness down.... ur just use to looking at the Nexus or the ipad that has a higher resolution... there's nothing wrong with the notes screen!
I don't have any issues with viewing angles, so my vote is its just you.
I like dealing with evidence so attached are some pictures I took with manual settings and a custom whitebalance. Contrast appears lower when viewing off angle. Or maybe Samsung did the classic switch-a-roo where early adopters get nice panels and then they switch to crummier / cheaper ones down the line.
Okay so I looked more carefully and I definitely see that off-angle viewing results in the dark or black areas of photos / movies become a grayish mess, kind of like in the bottom left hand corner of my second photo. The saturated / brighter parts of the photo are fine though. Anyway, I don't really care because the Note is awesome, I just wanted to bring some facts to the table instead of subjectivity.
skadebo said:
iPad 4, iPad 3, Nexus 10, maybe even the TF Infinity pad if you're into that sort of thing. The high res + better off-axis viewing angles make for more enjoyable consumption devices.
Edit: I freaking love the Note btw because I need the s-pen. I'm just impervious to the reality distortion field that exists for every Android device in their own sections on XDA.
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LOL. Awesome response
To give people an idea of what i see. When I play game of thrones. During dark scenes, everything looks cloudy. And at low brightnesses, in complete darkness, I still have to pump up my brightness to 40%.
I have a Nexus 7, Retina Macbook next to me. You can clearly see a difference. Also, on different angles magnifies that "white cloud". It's very similar to those TFT on laptops showing very bad blacks. The blacks are bad, but the clouding above is significant.
I bought it for the S-pen and work but it's something I noticed over the weekend.
Try movie mode under screen mode, let me know if it makes a difference. This is one of the only tablets i have to install a screen filter app on because its too bright in total darkness.
I find the viewing angle issues are easily solved using the following steps:
1) Sit in a comfortable chair.
2) Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
I mean, is there a particular reason you feel the need to view your Note from an extreme angle?
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mitchellvii said:
Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
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Funny.
I guess I've never noticed it as an issue because it doesn't seem to be on mine...
mitchellvii said:
I find the viewing angle issues are easily solved using the following steps:
1) Sit in a comfortable chair.
2) Hold the SGN10.1 directly in front of you.
I mean, is there a particular reason you feel the need to view your Note from an extreme angle?
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Good one. Haha!
Why would anyone want to watch movies on a tablet in an angle anyway?
Personally, after having done a little number crunching, I don't think it's really all too far fetched to imagine the Note 3 having a 6.3" screen, assuming certain things happen. Here's my thinking:
The physical dimensions of the current Note 2 (not the screen) are 151mm tall by 80.5mm wide, which yields a hypotenuse of ~173.3mm.
A ~6.3" (160mm diag) 16:9 ratio screen would be about 139.5mm tall by ~78.4mm wide, which can just about squeeze into the current body's form factor, if you remove the physical buttons and go with a ~1mm bezel on the sides (compared to the current ~5.7mm bezel).
A ~1mm bezel is insane, and honestly I doubt it's a realistic expectation. However, if the Note 3 returns to the original Note's width of ~83mm, that would make room for a ~2.3mm bezel on a 6.3" screen. That's still insanely thin, but maybe just about doable.
Now, here's another thing to consider: Screen Resolution.
As it currently stands, it's much easier to make a higher resolution LCD display than an AMOLED display (which is why our 5.55" AMOLED displays are only 720p when there are 5" 1080p LCD's). It's currently difficult for AMOLED to match those levels of pixel density before running into quality issues like we've seen in previous AMOLED generations. That's to be expected; AMOLED technology is still relatively new compared to LCD, so we're still working on perfecting it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've yet seen an RGB (not PenTile) AMOLED display break the 300ppi barrier yet. So far, the Note 2's display has the highest RGB pixel density that we've ever seen yet (again, the key here is RGB, not PenTile).
If the Note 3 has a 6.3" screen, and if indeed it's going to be 1080p, then that would mean a pixel density of ~350ppi. I believe that jumping from the current ~265ppi (RGB) to ~350ppi (RBG) is incredibly significant, and possibly unrealistic actually... So this, to me, suggests one of two likely possibilities:
A.) A 6.3" 1080p PenTile display.
or
B.) An RGB (using the current sub-pixel layout in the Note 2) display, but at lower than 1080p resolution; perhaps something like 1600x900 instead.
Option B would yield a ~291ppi density, and seems like a realistic and reasonable improvement from the current generation.
Either option is seems like a reasonable possibility, however, in my personal opinion, I would bet that the 1080p PenTile option seems more likely.
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!
My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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i would really want a non pentile screen and a 1080p screen...
Nice thorough post.
I personally won't buy a larger form factor. So, whatever the max screen size is within the current physical dimension is what it should be.
If the form factor goes larger I might as well buy a 7" tablet.
Most said that the Note 2 size was too large.
After, was considered a normal phone size for them.
Note 3, might have the same procedure.
My thoughts are that if it actually turns out to be 6.3" then they better call it 'Galaxy tab mini'
The note 2's screen at first was a bit of a handful but I've gotten used to it now I've had it for a few months but 6.3".....that's a bit over the top in my opinion.
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If the display isn't downgrade from rgb, and is close to 6inches without much dimensions bigger then i will upgrade to it.
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The problem with a 6.3" device, IMO, would be:
Should one hold it like a phone (one-handed) or like a tablet (two-handed)?
I guess the design of the device should hold the answer (bevel and of course dimensions).
I believe this is yet again a wait-and-see moment for Samsung. When the original Note was launched, everyone had their comments. But the sales proved, one way or another, that "phablet" is feasible. 5.3" isn't really too big! Now we stretched it to 5.5" and the sales are now even stronger! So if they can find a way to make the user experience feasible for a 6.3" phone-tablet hybrid (or whatever marketing they employ for that device), then who's to say now that it's good or not?
I'm happy with my 5.5" Note II. If the Note III proves to be successful at 6.3", that's a nice feat. But I'm sticking to my Note II (for the next two years!)
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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Simple..
Penta-Core Processor
3 Gigabyte of RAM
..
Profit!
I don't know why but I want it..
EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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+1
@rbiter said:
My thoughts are there is already a thread about this.
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I respectfully disagree. Whereas the other thread talking about the Note III merely links to an outside source regarding potential screen size, and then asks the simple "Will you buy it?" question, my thread here, though on a related topic, goes into much greater detail behind the speculations for the Note III, and encourages a much broader discussion about the screen technology in particular.
If Samsung does go with a 6.3" screen design for the Note III, I hope that they finally stop using the Phone UI across the whole platform and instead go with something more like the Phablet UI (like on the Nexus 7). Maybe even incorporate certain PA features like per-app-density and per-app-layout etc.
Gof fig they would want to make it bigger. :silly: I like the 5.5 and would love to see them work bettering the guts of the phone. More power!!!!!!!!!
EP2008 said:
I'd prefer if Samsung stuck with physical buttons as soft keys on screen take up a lot of real estate. It would be a waste to have a large screen that has a 1/2" row permanently used by buttons.
Not to mention that soft keys get in the way of gaming and are often inadvertently pressed.
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great
I like idea of a bigger screen, but remember the Note 1 was uncomfortable to hold (in one hand) for me. Although the Note 2 was only slightly narrower it was a massive difference and I have never had issues holding it in one hand. The slight curvature change also helped here. 6" might be my comfort limit
No thanks
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
So, to sum everything up, here's what I would predict for the Note 3 for dimensions and screen:
Chassis:
151 - 155 mm Height
83 - 85 mm Width
8 - 10 mm Depth
Buttonless/Full touch screen design
Screen:
6.3" (160mm) Diagonal, 16:9
1080p PenTile SAMOLED (More likely)
or
1600x900 RGB SAMOLED (Less likely)
maybe
1080p RGB SAMOLED (Least likely, but who knows!)
I know a lot of this may have been boring, but I hope it was informative, and perhaps brings some more clarity to the rumors that have been floating around.
Let me know your thoughts!
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Firstly IMHO I think they would keep their button layout. They are trying to make their product lineup using standard elements.
Secondly, I doubt that they would go back to pentile AMOLED. they have faced too much heat with that piece of tech. And also doing 1080p on a non-pentile AMOLED is way tough for a new tech like it is. So lower res is the way they'll go.
Other than that I agree with your predictions.
The phone is already too big for most people.. would be crazy if they make the phone any bigger.