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I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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nbunn said:
I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.

mikerowes69 said:
Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.
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+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.

Pete720 said:
+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.

Dulanic said:
Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.
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I like the system as the way it is. It keeps tons and tons of people employed and they make a lot of money. And no I am not a lawyer or patent holder. I am a pc deployment tech.
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havent tried it yet, but from screenshots I guess I can see why people would say that. So were going from xbox looking to winmo7 looking? I guess its a slight improvement... aside from aesthetics, does it navigate better? The thing I like about android is that it will probably change way before winmo does, just like TW will move on from its similarities to iOS way before iOS does... so who cares? As far as lawsuits, it does appear to just be corporate tactics, even if just to get a headline on engadget for a day, free advertising. I love apples one of wanting to see what samsung has coming in the future... looks like apple is developing something new, and this is how they do it!

All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.

XtaC318 said:
Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.
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No they aren't
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muyoso said:
No they aren't
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This, not settled yet (patent purchases from nortel still need reviewed by trade commission and fcc), and...
Firstly, love the new market.
Second, good freaking luck if microsoft tried that. Remember, this just the market's new interface. The "look and feel" you're refering to is windows phone 7's entire homescreen UI. Apples to oranges
On a side note; this is exactly why I think that a lot of apple's suit against samsung I going to go down in flames. They're trying to compare iOS's homescreen UI to touchwiz's app drawer. This would make te other half of the suit, that the external hardware appearance of the device's look similar, also somewhat shaky. I have a hard time believing that a judge will buy the arguement that people are choosing one device over another because of the external aesthetics alone (if you go with my first theory that the UI part will be thrown out), considering there have certainly been other devices with a middle select button that were never taken to court.
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Pete720 said:
+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Apple thinks that they invented electronic devices. They have some pretty wild claims. Glad they don't make cars.....could you imagine that mess? They'd be claiming they invented the wheel, anything with 4 wheels is just copying them. They'd be trying to trademark items like "Sports Car", or "Coupe", and "Windshield Wiper".
They need to be slapped down with common sense approaches in the legal system.

They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Wizard Knight said:
All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Good post, this is actually pretty spot on in my opinion. All these apple lawsuits accomplish 2 objectives for Apple as far as I can see.
1) Gets Apples name out in the tech blogs/sites regularly and gets the publicity.
2) Makes software and hardware manufacturers spend more time dealing with public/court/etc. After all, time is money.

muyoso said:
No they aren't
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Yeah they are.
From cellblock D

Indeed I used to admire Apple a few years ago but now I find them distasteful due to their haughty attitude. It isn't like that they invented the entire world.
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Zor Omega said:
Yeah they are.
From cellblock D
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No they aren't. Leave statements of fact to people who know what they are talking about.
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As Apple said, its about the "Ecosystem" they don't have to be right...they just have to point fingers....
It kinda works like this, if you keep claiming a person is a "murderer" and spread the word around, people somewhere deep down will partly believe it. Negative news travels faster then positive news. So the general public will gain the impression that everyone is "Stealing" or "Copying" Apple regardless of whether its true or not...

Jasonhunterx said:
They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Which phone is this? But I think the problem is that most likely Samsung didn't actually patent the design of their phone. Thats what Apple does. They patent everything in the broken patent system, especially generic non-tangible things like the rough layout of their UI. They even go as far as to trademark the "highway 280" logo for their IOS maps app. Then they go off and sue everyone that relatively may somewhat be sorta kinda similar to them. All this instead of simply making a new and more innovative product. Hey if you can't beat em, litigate em.
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I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.

CapsLockKey said:
I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.
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Haven't you heard? Microsoft invented square boxes...

What do think about this?

Google aquiring Motorola Mobility.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html?m=1
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Sounds like google is finally gonna get some type of protection from that cry baby *teve $obs, i mean he can only have some many lawsuites before people start getting tired of his failed attempts to keep iPhone on top
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I like the name Motoroogle (from an article i read on Extreme Tech) Has a nice ring too it. Lol

This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with

notsointeresting said:
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Yeah i agree,and if they stay sensitive to allowing us control of our phones then when Htc or other partners get outta line Motoroogle will tell'm shape up or no more for you.

notsointeresting said:
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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jesusice said:
Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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yeah its still up in the air to who the next nexus phone is going too.

Well I will probably get flack for this, but here goes. Before you get all happy about this aquisition by Google. Remember who Motorola has been in bed with for the better part of their phone "Greatness" , Verizon . The original we're going to throttle your data, you better not be tethering (even though your paying for unlimited) , if we can't charge you for it you can't do it, we're going to control everything you do on your phone carrier. So even though it's Google new company, the employees are still the old regime. With the old habits, especially the Executives. I'll always remember a quote from one of Verizon's press releases stating " the Companies bottom line is always the most important aspect in considerations involving customers" . I understand this true for any company. But to say it in a press release like that says a lot about how they perceive their customer base. Yes, I understand this is only my opinon

No flack here,you make avalid point
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Google should have bought HTC.

VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Yeah but do they have the patent portfolio tomake themselves as attractive? Hardware would have been superior.
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VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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peanjr said:
Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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Wouldn't make sense. HTC makes great phones but do not have the large patent portfolio that Moto has built up over many years in the mobile industry.
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i live in seattle and googles from redmond, theyve been on the news about this quite a bit and theyve even said themselves they just wanted the patent portfolio to help in defending android and the developers against apple, microsoft and the rest of the other bull**** patent trolls.

I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"

tokuzumi said:
I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
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I'd imagine that since these patents are typically incredibly vague such as "scrolling menus" that if Apple sues HTC or Samsung over infringing on one of their vaguely worded patents then Google could jump in and brandish one of their equally vague patents and say that Google actually has the patent for it, not Apple.
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just so yall know i didnt see a splash screen for this new motoroogle or googlerola or whatever you want lol (it has only been a day) so i decided to make one. I posted it on im.nick.hellos new thread for splash screens along with some others i made.
I just have to wait for him to convert them into splash img format and a flashable.
SO GO CHECK IT OUT
BTW: I hope im not hijacking the thread. I dont think i am because it is technically about the thread in a way. but if i am please set me straight!
Edit: In regards to the post above there is no real reason to buy HTC
1)they are doing great on there own
2) HTC would not give up sense and google would not want sense
3) HTC would be like 3X the amount that Motorola was
4)Motorola already had made the commitment to android and that was its sole operating system unlike HTC where they make phones for WP7 and Android.
4) Motorolas patent portfolio is much bigger
5) Motorolas not getting sued lol
Just my 2 cents theres probably other reasons too

Google did it for the Patents

I heard its to help cover their a$$ with apple lawsuits
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You know it is,to go from having 317 patents to over 17,000 sure change the game. Literally from defense to offense,see if they give apple some of their own medicine .
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ICS launch postponed cause Jobs died.. wtf?

it appears that Samsung and Google have decided not to launch the Galaxy Nexus (or Nexus Prime, or whatever it's called) and Ice Cream Sandwich at their October 11th Unpacked event. The two companies sent out a joint announcement reading:
Samsung and Google decide to postpone the new product announcement at CTIA Fall. We agree that it is just not the right time to announce a new product. New date and venue will be shortly announced.
The press event on the 11th was expected to be not only the debut for the successor to the Nexus S, but our first good look at the next version of Android. For whatever reason the companies have decided to delay that launch. But, if Eric Schmidt is true to his word, we shouldn't have to wait too much longer... he did promise us that it would launch by November. We'll let you know as soon as we get a new date to expect "something big."
Update: A Samsung spokesperson issued a follow up statement to CNET, confirming speculation that the reveal was postponed out of respect, following the passing of Steve Jobs. "We believe this is not the right time to announce a new product as the world expresses tribute to Steve Jobs's passing," the spokesperson explained.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/samsung-and-google-postpone-ice-cream-sandwich-and-galaxy-nexus/

Ladies and gentlemen, a national tragedy has happened this past week
the delaying of ICS..many of us shall be in mourning

Something called respect. ICS would totally over shadow the passing of Jobs. Its a classy move on part of Google and Samsung.
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Do the people from columbia have a different definition of respect?

(even though I joke I do agree it was the right call by google and samsung)

andrew.cambridge said:
Something called respect. ICS would totally over shadow the passing of Jobs. Its a classy move on part of Google and Samsung.
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Couldnt agree more. Not only that, but if they did go through with the event they probably would have gotten a lot of criticism from people who didnt realize this was planned out far in advance.

Totally understandable and couldn't expect less...
Nice move.
Respect where respect is due. RIP Steve!
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I understand the whole "respect for the dead" thing, but it still feels "weird" that they would delay this with all the lawsuits that Apple and Google had.
Would anyone else here do the same thing if you were constantly getting sued?...
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would steve have put off the apple keynote if eric schmidt had died?
no

Pirateghost said:
would steve have put off the apple keynote if eric schmidt had died?
no
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Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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ifalldownalot said:
Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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My thoughts exactly...
Lol
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ifalldownalot said:
Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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Rayan said:
My thoughts exactly...
Lol
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you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****

If you read.....they are only delaying the announcement not the release date. The delay of the announcement days after Steves passing is respectable and I actually like google/samsung more for doing so. Without the launch of the phone I think smartphones wouldn't be where they are today due to competitiveness.

It's basically just good public relations.
You don't want to make a major product announcement in an environment where it is not the biggest story of the day. The tech press and the mainstream media are still focused on Jobs and Apple.

Pirateghost said:
you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****
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All I'm gonna say is for those that want to know "more" about Steve Jobs (and Gates for that matter), watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley".
You can find it in YouTube for free to watch.
IMO that is a 4 star movie (lots of drama too in there), and definitely worth watching!...
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+1
Pirateghost said:
you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****
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I have to say I agree.

what exactly is ics and will atrix get it? or is it just for other android phones
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ltdanno360 said:
what exactly is ics and will atrix get it? or is it just for other android phones
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My mistake, sorry.

Phoneguy589 said:
Its just an optimized operating system like cm7 without all the extra junk manufacturers add to the phone like blur.
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oh kool
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Phoneguy589 said:
Its just an optimized operating system like cm7 without all the extra junk manufacturers add to the phone like blur.
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no, ICS is the next Android update that Google is making. it's going to merge Honeycomb and Gingerbread into one OS, and then it will be released to companies like Moto and Samsung. then we will see an ICS update in the future, with blur or touchwiz incorporated into the system.
it's just the next major update to Android ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich.

Fun thread.....what if apple got their way!!!!

No one knows the real hold up on these phones but some say its apples lawsuit.....so i was wondering what if apple got there way and the rest of the phones were never released....what if the people who have the phones now were the only ones to have them lol. How crazy would that be....how much do you think people without one would start offering for one lol
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Apple blows. Enough said.

their*

Good call ^

if apple got their way New York City would not be called the Big Apple....

If apple had their way we'll be buying diapers from I tunes
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Lol!!!!!!!
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War would break out
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bmoreboy02 said:
No one knows the real hold up on these phones but some say its apples lawsuit.....so i was wondering what if apple got there way and the rest of the phones were never released....what if the people who have the phones now were the only ones to have them lol. How crazy would that be....how much do you think people without one would start offering for one lol
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Then I'd go out and kick every cat I come across in the junk

Just read that Apple got their injunction again on the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
They really need to focus again on innovation and less on lawsuits....
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Samsung wins in the end regardless since who do you think makes all the processors and screens for all of apples products? There were close to 10 million S3s presold in the Eu launch, think about what that will number be in the USA. Is there any wonder that all these shortages are happening? I compared my wifes iphone 4S to my S3 and the screen of the S3 is pretty much the size of her phone its like the inphone display belongs on a watch or something, any wonder why they are selling them faster then they can crack the whip in Shenzhen?

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Samsung wins in the end regardless since who do you think makes all the processors and screens for all of apples products? There were close to 10 million S3s presold in the Eu launch, think about what that will number be in the USA. Is there any wonder that all these shortages are happening? I compared my wifes iphone 4S to my S3 and the screen of the S3 is pretty much the size of her phone its like the inphone display belongs on a watch or something, any wonder why they are selling them faster then they can crack the whip in Shenzhen?
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The size of the iphone is pretty sad lol. There was a store in my mall selling unlocked gsm phones. They had an iphine next to a gslaxy note. It looked like shrek and donkey lol
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Apple hasn't had an original idea in a few years, so they might as well try to keep the competition buried in legal fees. At some point phone manufactures will stop wanted to do business in the US. Pleanty of more populated countries.
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If they had their way it would be no open sourcing
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If Apple had their way I would do all my communication with standard mailing letters....thats how much I hate them.

bmoreboy02 said:
No one knows the real hold up on these phones but some say its apples lawsuit.....so i was wondering what if apple got there way and the rest of the phones were never released....what if the people who have the phones now were the only ones to have them lol. How crazy would that be....how much do you think people without one would start offering for one lol
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This has nothing to do with Apple. Has little to do with the US carriers. This has everything to do with 3rd Quarter gains, http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsung/ir/stockinformation/stockchart/IR_RealSAMSUNGElectronics.html .

They are trying to slow that paper up can't stop it can't make me buy apple will go Microsoft if Android disappeared
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If Apple had their way, a phone call would go something like this.
Me: Dials friends phone number
Siri: Are you sure you want to speak to him?
Me: Yes
Siri: Remember the argument you had last week?
Me: Yes, but we worked it out.
Siri: I do not think it would be in your best interest for you to talk to him.
Me: It's OK, I want to go see a movie and he loves that movie.
Siri: What movie?
Me: The Avengers
Siri: Oh, I do not think you should see that movie, Apple does not have any interests in that franchise.
Me: Yeah, whatever.
Siri: OK, if you are going to see the movie, I will not take part.
Me: Siri, unlock the phone.
Siri: I can't do that.
Me: I want to see the movie times.
Siri: I'm sorry, I can't so that.
Etc.....

pinoymutt said:
Just read that Apple got their injunction again on the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
They really need to focus again on innovation and less on lawsuits....
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When you can't compete you litigate. That's been the mantra of businesses in the 21st century.

pinoymutt said:
Just read that Apple got their injunction again on the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
They really need to focus again on innovation and less on lawsuits....
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Hahahaha...I bet their innovating on how to sue other companies for innovating.
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Apple hasn't had an original idea in a few years, so they might as well try to keep the competition buried in legal fees. At some point phone manufactures will stop wanted to do business in the US. Pleanty of more populated countries.
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Yeah...they're just going to wait for the competition to come up with all the innovation...then one year come out and say that they made something MAGICAL...and sell billions. -- Hopefully, by then...people will have brighten up a bit. :laugh:
Apple and it's followers keep getting the definition of Copy and Innovate wrong.

Galaxy Nexus & TAB Ban Judge Petition

These articles should fill you in if your not up to date.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/07/03/...stay-galaxy-nexus-injunction-denied-by-judge/
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/07/02/...tc-denies-apple-emergency-ban-on-htc-devices/
Petition to impeach judge.....
http://www.change.org/petitions/voters-impeach-us-district-judge-lucy-koh
nuff said

nice.. all three links are broken. first two just gave 404

Should be fixed
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Yeah, internet petition. That'll fix it! LOL.
Impeach? Bwahahahaha. Jesus. Its a tablet, not your civil rights.
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To impeach is just too far.

Impeachment? You can't be serious. She is a ****ed up judge, but she's not THAT ****ed up.

GazaIan said:
Impeachment? You can't be serious. She is a ****ed up judge, but she's not THAT ****ed up.
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I bet you don't believe in global warming either. Truth be told, our entire court system is that messed up. Justice is available to the highest bidder and right now, that's Apple. You remember Apple- the company that promised the Beatles (Apple Records) that they would NEVER get into the music industry? Yeah, that Apple.
Well, if you really think this is an injustice and want to do something about it, vote with your wallet. Vote often, vote consistently, and tell all your friends. If you like having attorneys decide what you can buy and how much you will pay for it, then keep buying your iPhones, iPads, and all that other iSh%t. OTOH, if you think that Apple has abused the worlds courts, and is spending way too much time shopping around the world for a favorable court, then do everything possible in your little corner of the world to lessen Apples grip. It has to be done from the grass roots my friends, you do not have the budget to take on the Army Of Job's Minions on their own turf.
That is my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

This only works with bible thumpers in Iowa and gay marriage, not geeks and gadgets.

Your story is bizarre. You're taking fanboyism to an extreme. I already bought my Galaxy Nexus as a middle finger to all haters (and plus you'd be stupid to refuse $349 for an awesome phone).

bbeelzebub said:
This only works with bible thumpers in Iowa and gay marriage, not geeks and gadgets.
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Because the geeks are not as smart? Or is it that geeks don't have a social conscience?
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ButtonBoy said:
Because the geeks are not as smart? Or is it that geeks don't have a social conscience?
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Because the geeks aren't pathetic enough to pull out the Grimm Fairytales and say Snow White and Jeeebus say something else about patent law.

"I did not have sex with that tablet"
Impeach what... silly thread