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Does anyone really think that the lag problems can be fixed by an official firmware update form Samsung? It seems that this is a hardware problem only: Samsung chose slow memory for the filesystem on which /data/ lives. How can this be overcome in an official update? Sure, there are some hacks out there that require buying an sdcard (and then never removing it) or using up the very last bit of NAND which will surely cause problems for some with lots of apps or with apps that have large databases. These hacks will probably work well for some, but Samsung won't do anything unless it is transparent to the end-user and works well for everyone. Is it even possible for them to do it?
I think there's a guide somewhere here that changes the filesystem to EXT3/EXT4 which improves performance.
Im very confident Samsung vill fix the "lags" hell Im on stock firmware and just by using luncher pro the lags are much less of a problem. Lets wait for the first official firmware update before we all start to panic
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I think there's a guide somewhere here that changes the filesystem to EXT3/EXT4 which improves performance.
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I think ext3/ext4 is part of one of the hacks involving an external sd card. It probably works very well, but is not an option for Samsung unless they decide to give every one a free sd card.
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Does anyone really think that the lag problems can be fixed by an official firmware update form Samsung? It seems that this is a hardware problem only: Samsung chose slow memory for the filesystem on which /data/ lives. How can this be overcome in an official update? Sure, there are some hacks out there that require buying an sdcard (and then never removing it) or using up the very last bit of NAND which will surely cause problems for some with lots of apps or with apps that have large databases. These hacks will probably work well for some, but Samsung won't do anything unless it is transparent to the end-user and works well for everyone. Is it even possible for them to do it?
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There is no question that there is, nearly terrible, issues with stock I/O performance. Everything else is zippy, even more so when you use LauncherPro with cached pages. Games are super fast, which makes me think that the memory speed isn't an issue for long-term performance. I do wish the internal storage was NAND, but other than that I think the hardware is top-notch and I wouldn't trade it away.
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There is no question that there is, nearly terrible, issues with stock I/O performance. Everything else is zippy, even more so when you use LauncherPro with cached pages. Games are super fast, which makes me think that the memory speed isn't an issue for long-term performance. I do wish the internal storage was NAND, but other than that I think the hardware is top-notch and I wouldn't trade it away.
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I agreed that everything but the io is excellent. However I rely on several i/o intensive apps like calendar, shopping lists, task managers, and all of these really suffer. I hope I am wrong and that samsung find a way to fix it.
I have no lag and I'm not using any fix.
just use this fix, and you wont get any lag
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251
even without that fix, you don't get lag if you use any of the many available task killers softwares
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I have no lag and I'm not using any fix.
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same here.
the lag is caused by the touchwiz interface over android ....remove touchwiz and it will be as fast as the nexus
As mentioned the third party stuff isn't really amazingly optimized at this point, but I reckon just changing the values at which levels android frees up memory should take care of most lags, even on stock firmwares.
Running JM2 with ext4 fix and AutoKiller I hardly ever notice any lags on my phone, if anything some apps sometimes takes half a second too long to load but it's nothing I can't live with.
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the lag is caused by the touchwiz interface over android ....remove touchwiz and it will be as fast as the nexus
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Saying that there is no lag for anybody just doesn't work. There are many, many documented reports of the lag here, youtube, other forums, etc... It's a known problem. I am using LauncherPro and I still have lag problems. Most notably, when I long press on a screen to create a new shortcut, it takes launcherpro sometimes about 15 seconds to bring up the list of applications. There are many other case of things taking 2 seconds when they should be nearly instantaneous.
The NAND fix does work: as a test I moved the Astrid task manager database to /dbdata and now Astrid flies. However, I don't believe that Samsung will be able to use the NAND memory as part of an official fix. Does anyone have any ideas or predictions on how Samsung can solve this problem?
I use Launcher Pro, task killer and still have SEVERE lag. Also very curious as to what solution Samsung mighy have up their sleeves and when we can hope it will br released.
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I'm starting to think that people who say they see no lag at all without any fix are either trying to convince themselves or just lack the ability to notice. I know I'm practically calling people delusional here, no offense, but come on... that would mean there's like a 1% of all shipped units that mount superfast internal SDs, that's unlikely.
Internal SDs are slow as &%£$. EXT4 on external SD fixes the problem for good. Maybe we're just gonna have to live with it...
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I'm starting to think that people who say they see no lag at all without any fix are either trying to convince themselves or just lack the ability to notice. I know I'm practically calling people delusional here, no offense, but come on... that would mean there's like a 1% of all shipped units that mount superfast internal SDs, that's unlikely.
Internal SDs are slow as &%£$. EXT4 on external SD fixes the problem for good. Maybe we're just gonna have to live with it...
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Yeah they all lag out of the box, no one got lucky and got sent a special/custom version with different hardware that doesn't lag.
Some people obviously are more acceptable of lag and don't call a small delay lag etc . There are some of course that after spending a lot on a device don't want to admit its flawed in some areas so keep saying mine doesn't lag etc, people can be strange sometimes .
Not all have the 10 seconds of black screens etc that you see on some of the youtube videos but without applying any fixes they all have delays here and there.
I agree with the above 2 posters, lag is VERY obvious out of the box. I came from Winmo 6 (where lag is the norm and not the exception...lol), so when I first got the SGS I too was very tolerant of the lag and was wondering what the heck people was complaining about.
Then I got to try out my friend's Desire. Everything just "moves" so fluidly...opening app drawer, changing wallpapers, opening the dialer, contact page, handcent etc. When I got back to my SGS I realize what I was missing. The SGS on paper is more powerful than Desire but doesn't perform as sweetly, UI-wise.
So far, mimocan fix + autokiller maybe mitigate 80% of it. But sometimes still lags badly, for eg; when adding shortcut ...the application list takes ages to come up. or adding widgets.
Anytime a new firmware leaks and we hear of people saying lag is fix...but I am still sceptical. I am on JG5 and things are still as before. Still need to apply fix.
With the external sd card partitioned to ext4, do you need a fast sd card? or would a class 2 work just as well for this lag fix?
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, for eg; when adding shortcut ...the application list takes ages to come up. or adding widgets.
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Um, I'm on JM2, with no lag-fixes, and my applications list for shortcuts come up instantly. Do you want me to make a youtube vid of it?
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Um, I'm on JM2, with no lag-fixes, and my applications list for shortcuts come up instantly. Do you want me to make a youtube vid of it?
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sure, if you feel like doing it
how many apps do you have installed, btw?
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sure, if you feel like doing it
how many apps do you have installed, btw?
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quite a few, but not a lot. I'll post a vid in the morning. Anything else besides adding widgets and shortcuts?
I am generally new to the Android community (5 months with the Eris) but am good with technology and the like. I bought an Eris off ebay to replace my ailing BB Tour and have really enjoyed the OS overall. The hardware, on the other hand, has been a little troublesome. The phone is rooted and I have loaded several custom ROM's (mostly because I am never completely satisfied) and each one has had the same problem, which tells me that is has nothing to do with the ROM's. I have tried KF, 2 different Tazz, XTRsense, KG, and currently using Froshedyo Vanilla. My problem is that after wiping and doing a new install the phone works great. After about 2 weeks it starts lagging BAD. I have tried several autokillers and also tried without and I always get the same result. With the lag comes FC's with almost everything (facebook, launcher, etc) and pretty much becomes unuseable. The only thing that fixes it is a complete wipe and reload. I just don't want to have to do that every 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. Does anyone have any suggestions? My NE2 is mid March and while I like the Android experience the phone itself is making look at the iPhone as a real good alternative. I know the pros and cons of that but in my area I'm not sure 4g is coming soon so that is one issue I am not worried about. Any help would be appreciated.
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I am generally new to the Android community (5 months with the Eris) but am good with technology and the like. I bought an Eris off ebay to replace my ailing BB Tour and have really enjoyed the OS overall. The hardware, on the other hand, has been a little troublesome. The phone is rooted and I have loaded several custom ROM's (mostly because I am never completely satisfied) and each one has had the same problem, which tells me that is has nothing to do with the ROM's. I have tried KF, 2 different Tazz, XTRsense, KG, and currently using Froshedyo Vanilla. My problem is that after wiping and doing a new install the phone works great. After about 2 weeks it starts lagging BAD. I have tried several autokillers and also tried without and I always get the same result. With the lag comes FC's with almost everything (facebook, launcher, etc) and pretty much becomes unuseable. The only thing that fixes it is a complete wipe and reload. I just don't want to have to do that every 1 1/2 to 2 weeks. Does anyone have any suggestions? My NE2 is mid March and while I like the Android experience the phone itself is making look at the iPhone as a real good alternative. I know the pros and cons of that but in my area I'm not sure 4g is coming soon so that is one issue I am not worried about. Any help would be appreciated.
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Have you tried wiping just the cache instead of doing a data-wipe so you don't have to reload everything? Do you use alot of apps? Do you have alot of text messages on your phone...try deleting them when they get old. I always found keeping my eris "clean" by removing the old stuff and clearing the cache occasionally helped me avoid the lag after a while. Sometimes you got to think of it as a small pc rather then a phone.
Yeah, I have done just a data wipe before and it helps for maybe a day or two. I don't keep a huge amount of apps loaded because I don't like clutter and I'm not a huge texter either. When I was using an auto killer I didn't ever really not that I ran lower on RAM when I was having lag. Sometimes I would have 65 MB free and the pho
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Phone will still be nearly unresponsive. For awhile I though I had it clocked to high (710) so I put it to stock but that didn't help. It actually locked up a minute ago hence the broken post....
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i use "autokiller memory optimizer" since it just changes the settings on the built in task killer. I set the preset to strict. i also use "cachemate" which you can set to clear the cache daily. hope it helps. fyi, please post questions in the q&a section in the future. thanks!
Strange as this may sound, what I found was that if I do a *228 -> 1, followed after the reboot, with another *228 -> 2, things cleared up tremendously. I also discovered that there are some market apps that show up as protected when installed when viewed by some app managers....I am now avoiding them. my phone now feels much more responsive, much less sluggish. and while I cannot say for sure, I think advanced task killer was causing some of my lagging issues. I use autokiller for now, and I will say this, I'm becoming much less comfortable with task managers, something just does not feel quite right about them in this OS. Clearing the cache as stated above also helps.
oh, and the comment about treat this like a computer.....humm, this IS a computer, its the smallest computer I own, so like a computer, get a CPU monitor and make sure your idle time is REALLY idling, you do not need to three or four of these things like I was playing with....I found Temp+CPU v2 in the market and it does exactly what I need it to do. a phone doing nothing should actually be doing nothing, make sure it is.
Hi,
My partner picked up an arc in the week, and we have both noticed the performance is rather poor on occassion. Sometimes loading an app will take ages (10secs), or even the app drawer will take a long time to open or to exit back to the home screen.
We also had a low memory warning from tasked and upon checking there was only 16mb free with nothing obvious taking up the resources.
Has anyone else noticed this? Firmware version is 3.0.A.2.184
Did you try to do factory reset? this helped for some people. My arc is really fast and everything works great.
with low memory you mean the internal storage? this happens if you installed to many apps. I always move games to the SD this saves some memory
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Did you try to do factory reset? this helped for some people. My arc is really fast and everything works great.
with low memory you mean the internal storage? this happens if you installed to many apps. I always move games to the SD this saves some memory
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Don't really want to do a factory reset a few days after getting it (I know it might help, but it's more the principle...)
Most the of time it feels pretty snappy, but every so often it just seems to lag for a while.
As for low memory, I was referring to RAM not storage. Internal storage has something like 170mb free, but RAM seems to be constantly running with ~60mb free and dips down to <20mb even with not much running.
The only things that should be running in the background are twitter, facebook and Wordsfree.
i have degraded performance though not that worse, i suspect mine was caused by running background app like yahoo messenger, facebook, g talk and possibly go weather.
also change home to go launcher. this may not be correct, but with default se launcher certain app get killed faster (maps). also opera mobile contents somehow get purged a lot with go launcher (note : this may not be true).
currently available ram drop to 32 or less in hours while previously it took days (or maybe never) to drop below 100 mb ram. sigh..
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i have degraded performance though not that worse, i suspect mine was caused by running background app like yahoo messenger, facebook, g talk and possibly go weather.
also change home to go launcher. this may not be correct, but with default se launcher certain app get killed faster (maps). also opera mobile contents somehow get purged a lot with go launcher (note : this may not be true).
currently available ram drop to 32 or less in hours while previously it took days (or maybe never) to drop below 100 mb ram. sigh..
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Performance on Go Launcher was woeful for me, but with the SE launcher and Launcher Pro it seems fine, well aside from the issues in the OP anyhow.
sigh, se default screen protector and input keyboard are slippery. to op, i see that only facebook is what we have in common.
i've completely log out and remove fb data but still it run in the background. any advice to stop it from running (non rooted phone please)?
does anyone know if freeze -ing app stop it from loading or just froze it in memory?
thanks for your input on go launcher and quick reply.
I'm always like around 150MB free RAM, i don't use any kind of task killer nor do i kill anyting. there are 20 apps running right now. The phone can lag when syncing (you see the syncing icon then) but in overall it works really smooth.
I think there is something really messed up. i think you will be beter off with factory reset. if you have root you can use titanium backup.
Funny how all of us jump in saying do.a factory reset or reinstall this or is got to be a app running in the background lol. Phone is beautiful and all but factory ROM is crap! I installed the NAG rom and seems to be helping a bit but yes stock launcher lags crazy. I hate when u have to do so much **** to a phone to make it run better. That would be us but a average person that buys this phone for daily use with no idea of RAM or a different launcher would say **** this phone. To slow. Lol. I love the camera that's why I'm putting up with this. I have two lines tho. Using a Thunderbolt too. Yes it is faster. Snappier.
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hmm lets see.. do you have timescape ui on? if too many accounts are synced into the timescape it can cause lag...
One of the programs that's running in background might be messing up. Go to running service and kill all the custom applications (NOT DEFAULT ONES) then see how it works. Less than 20MB RAM will cause performance issues. Uninstall software that you don't use much. Uninstall task killer software if you have one. I find that unstable. If that didn't do the trick then as said before Factory reset would be a best option.
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Funny how all of us jump in saying do.a factory reset or reinstall this or is got to be a app running in the background lol. Phone is beautiful and all but factory ROM is crap! I installed the NAG rom and seems to be helping a bit but yes stock launcher lags crazy. I hate when u have to do so much **** to a phone to make it run better. That would be us but a average person that buys this phone for daily use with no idea of RAM or a different launcher would say **** this phone. To slow. Lol. I love the camera that's why I'm putting up with this. I have two lines tho. Using a Thunderbolt too. Yes it is faster. Snappier.
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I thing you are overeacting.Stock launcher is not that slow/bad ,even though adw for example seems more fast and smooth.
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Funny how all of us jump in saying do.a factory reset or reinstall this or is got to be a app running in the background lol. Phone is beautiful and all but factory ROM is crap! I installed the NAG rom and seems to be helping a bit but yes stock launcher lags crazy. I hate when u have to do so much **** to a phone to make it run better. That would be us but a average person that buys this phone for daily use with no idea of RAM or a different launcher would say **** this phone. To slow. Lol. I love the camera that's why I'm putting up with this. I have two lines tho. Using a Thunderbolt too. Yes it is faster. Snappier.
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srry but i don't agree with this. A lot of people used my phone to see how it was before we had root. even iphone4 users said that this was snappy phone. i;m with tasgr86 on this one. don't over react. The phone can slow down when syncing and this happens with all android phones.
if you read here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1077292 you will see that factory reset can do wonders.
I have 2 Arc, My 2 bro have also Arc. None of my bro visits mobile site or XDA to get knowledge about phone, but they have no what so ever problem with Arc. One of them came from iPhone & one from Galaxy S.. Phone is smoot, no lag & very fast...
I'm watching this forum for a long time, and it's amazing how much the community split up - 80% of users love the phone and have no problem with it, while 20% moan about performance and etc.
**** happens; you maybe got a phone with faulty hardware, or something else, w/e - do a factory reset before crying how crap the phone is, common sense really.
My phone doesn't lag or does the browser and ram always sits over 100mb
I just rebooted my device after 40 days of continuous usage.
Arc is brilliant.
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srry but i don't agree with this. A lot of people used my phone to see how it was before we had root. even iphone4 users said that this was snappy phone. i;m with tasgr86 on this one. don't over react. The phone can slow down when syncing and this happens with all android phones.
if you read here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1077292 you will see that factory reset can do wonders.
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he didnt factory reset,,, he re installed the rom... i did the same .. i still have to reboot at least once a day.. phone cant handle me.. i text a lot .pictures taken and web and also google music.. gets laggy after a few hours .. this is not my first or second android phone .. there is something on the ARC that eats memory and wont free it up its like the phone performer slowly die....and the only way to revive it is with a reboot .. still love it tho.... dont mind rebooting once daily
have to agree that something is definitely leaking memory, which only seems recoverable by a proper reboot.. (using the button on the top and not reboot widget..)
trying to figure out what is causing it isn't proving to be a simple task..
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I had a similar issue and as much as it might be against your prinicples, I did a factory reset and the phone is now fine. It's much easier to flash an android phone as all my contacts are synced with my google account, most of the apps back up their settings to the SD card and all of the apps you've bought you just redownload from the marketplace, hell google even have my wpa key to get on my wifi. If you aren't prepared to reflash then learn to live with the lag but I think you would find it will help a lot
just a thought, perhaps browser cache put a lot of strain on flash chip? i know people said latency/fragmentation is not an issue on them, but again i've seen many slow down/unresponsiveness on worse scenario.
Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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No, and what is the question on the second one?
No news on GB.
Other question....your homescreens are taking longer because it takes longer to access and find all the apps on your sd card. SD card access is slower so the more apps on it the more it will slow down. Clean some apps off your homescreen that are on the sd card that you don't use and see if that speeds it up a little.
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ouch. I had a feeling this was the case. Let me ask this.
I have the stock SD card in my phone (class 4 I think). If I bought a class 10, is the phone capable of utilizing those faster speeds, and would I notice the difference?
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Hey all:
I have been traveling on business all week, and was just wondering if there was new news about GB being in the playbook this week? I have a feeling if it were, it would be top of the forum, but just in case it is in a "unobvious" thread, I thought I would ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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1. No news
2. You are running out of memory.
No, I had a class 10 card (recently got corrupted and I changed back to the included Samsung sd card) and I still had this issue.
I've heard that the biggest reason we see this issue with the home screen is because the Epic uses the RTS (murderous) file system. As you are rooted, I believe you can search for the solution someone had that puts a 1GB swap space on the SD card that uses EXT4.
This is interesting.
I wonder if a Class 10 card would help if the swap file is on the SD. I almost wish I would have installed the stock ROM without the bloatware, as I think that would also help my situation, since my internal memory is down to around 60 megs...
hmmmmm.
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Hey all:
I have been traveling ......... ask.
Here is my next question. My Samsung Epic is completely stock, except for being rooted. I have noticed it is really slow when switching to the home screen, and switching to and from apps. It is ESPECIALLY slow when bringing up the TwLauncher sometimes. I have tried clearing data on the TwLauncher to see if there was corruption, but same thing. I have about 110 apps installed on my phone, and all of the apps that can be moved to the SD card are already there.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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I have 140 apps and 98% of those are on my SD card - the other 2% that "can" go on the SD card, I don't move because those apps are in folders on my home screens and if moved to the SD card, on next boot the icons change to a default Android icon instead of the normal app icon.
With that being said, I am stock and rooted like you except that I have a kernel so I can overclock my cpu. My phone is fast and stable in every way and so is my wife's epic which I have set up almost the same way - I have no problems with speed in switching or opening apps.
I would try overclocking but stay stock IMHO.
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I have 140 apps and 98% of those are on my SD card - the other 2% that "can" go on the SD card, I don't move because those apps are in folders on my home screens and if moved to the SD card, on next boot the icons change to a default Android icon instead of the normal app icon.
With that being said, I am stock and rooted like you except that I have a kernel so I can overclock my cpu. My phone is fast and stable in every way and so is my wife's epic which I have set up almost the same way - I have no problems with speed in switching or opening apps.
I would try overclocking but stay stock IMHO.
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Can you point me to a good way to do this? Do you find that OC affects your battery life??? Mine is terrible.
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No, I had a class 10 card (recently got corrupted and I changed back to the included Samsung sd card) and I still had this issue.
I've heard that the biggest reason we see this issue with the home screen is because the Epic uses the RTS (murderous) file system. As you are rooted, I believe you can search for the solution someone had that puts a 1GB swap space on the SD card that uses EXT4.
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I think you mean RFS. And yes, some people worship ext4.
But really op? 110 apps?! I have 25...
Wipe data and flash SRF
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Wipe data and flash SRF
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I dread doing this. I use two paid backup programs (Titanium and MyBackup).
Neither of them seem to backup the actual data that the applications use. What do I mean by that? I am talking about the saved login information for an app, as well as preferences, etc. It is never as easy as it should be.
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Can you point me to a good way to do this? Do you find that OC affects your battery life??? Mine is terrible.
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I would only do the kernel and not a rom yet, baby steps! Read the OP at least 3 times so you can understand.
Make sure you make a nandroid before you try this, just in case somethings goes wrong. When overclocking, don't mess with undervolting until everything is stable, then baby steps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961614
I run exactly whats in my signature. I have duplicated the same setup on my wife's phone with the exception that I keep hers clocked no higher than 1.3ghz. Where I float back and forth between 1.3ghz and 1.4ghz, because I am testing battery life. I get as good or better on battery life and a snappier phone on 1.3ghz and a little less battery at 1.4ghz, but that is only when I play a game at 1.4ghz. Under normal daily usage, I would still have to give the edge in battery life to 1.3ghz, but 1.4ghz sure is fast!
I have the free version of Titanium Backup and my App Data restores perfectly.
I'm thinking same as one of the other posters, more than one instance of your apps are killing your ram, what I do is chop down on apps, and look at what apps are running under processes. Remember that out of those 110 apps you have installed, not every single one has optimized programming code, so in theory, half of those are making new bugs that your phone has to bitterly endure. For titanium backup I do batch restore apps+data. Maybe you're just not restoring right. There's so many options that I find it possible. Imo opinion, I don't reccommend OC if you want battery life and for your epic's overall life to end sooner. As for gingerbread news nothing new yet, but it'll come out when we least expect it, I'm sure.
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I dread doing this. I use two paid backup programs (Titanium and MyBackup).
Neither of them seem to backup the actual data that the applications use. What do I mean by that? I am talking about the saved login information for an app, as well as preferences, etc. It is never as easy as it should be.
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I have MyBackup Pro and I don't even use that anymore, as I nandroid every 3 to 5 days or when I am going to do something drastic that could cause problems from the unknown. As an example my last unknown that was kind of glitchy was when I upgraded to Superuser went to 3.0
If you are rooted, just do a nandroid, if you have a crash, it will bring everything back just like it was when you made the nandroid.
Flash clean kernel for EC05
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Lol that would probably give him other problems.
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Lol that would probably give him other problems.
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And "that" is why I said to just flash a kernel first. I am almost sure he would go nuts, because he has to flash SRF 1.1 first then SFR 1.2, then a kernel and make sure he has been converted to ext4 from rfs, than probably have journaling on, and the list goes on.
Go kernel first! And if that works and is stable and your phone works perfect after a week of use, then you can go on to the next step!
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And "that" is why I said to just flash a kernel first. I am almost sure he would go nuts, because he has to flash SRF 1.1 first then SFR 1.2, then a kernel and make sure he has been converted to ext4 from rfs, than probably have journaling on, and the list goes on.
Go kernel first! And if that works and is stable and your phone works perfect after a week of use, then you can go on to the next step!
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That is awesome advice. That is what I did back in November. Genocide was the first thing I flashed after rooting to change my bootanimation.
Its due to apps on sd card having a shortcut on a home screen or on a folder on a home screen. I don't think file system, kernel, or ROM will improve that very much. I would hate for you to go to all the work to find no improvement.
The cache and speed tweaks could help and a faster card could help. You might also give a new launcher a try. In the end, I decided to just keep apps on internal memory that I needed on home screen. Same as the 98% - 2% guy above.
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Evening all. Just wanted to report that I've had good results using the Forever Gone app from the play store to improve lag on my non rooted xt925. It had gotten a bit sluggish lately.
The app essentially "formats" the free space on your ROM memory which seems to restore performance pretty significantly. Made a big difference on my nexus 7 too. It doesn't touch any of your files.
No affiliation, it just got recommended to me and I'm happy with the results. Especially since it doesn't require root.
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nice! thanks for sharing.
will try to use this app too
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Yeah, it does take a bit of time to do it's thing. Especially if you have a reasonable amount of free space. But it's definitely worth the wait IMHO.
I started it before I went to sleep one night and just let it do it's thing. I'm not sure how long it took on my Razr, but it was probably about 20 minutes on my Nexus 7. Again, definitely worth the wait though.
It takes for my razr hd with 9GB free space about ~40 min
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
Someone tell me how it goes!
What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
So what if every "scriptkidd" could write an app like this? How is that helpful to this discussion? I don't understand that comment...
If you don't trust it or don't believe the theory behind it, don't use it. Personally I don't keep stuff on my phone that I would be terribly worried about the North Koreans getting hold of, but I can't speak for others...
Look, at the end of the day, it's not my app. I couldn't care less if you install it or not. I used it and it improved my lag. It's that simple. I thought others might like to hear about that.
It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
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Look, you're entitled to be skeptical. No dramas. I would agree with your comment that the app obviously can't access the restricted areas of the internal memory. That's pretty clear. But it doesn't claim to do that. The way I see it, any app that accesses free space in the internal memory could potentially see an increase in performance. Anything related to the photo gallery, music, movies, books etc which are all stored in accessible area. Also, I don't know about you, but when I look at the accessible area of my internal memory, most of my apps have created their own folder in there. I don't move any apps to SD, I don't see any point. So I can only assume each app is accessing the accessible internal memory of it's own accord. So whether it makes sense to you or not, many apps are clearly accessing the area of memory in question.
Secondly, of course the Android system and launcher would access the accessible area of the internal memory. They need access to images (wall papers etc), sound files etc etc.
I'm not sure what sort of empirical evidence you're looking for? Should one of the Universities begin a research project on this app? Are there many apps that come scientifically proven?
Again, whether it makes sense to you or not is irrelevant to the whole argument. I can 100% guarantee that this app made a significant improvement to lag issues on my Nexus 7 (not rooted). The difference was very obvious. If you believe it's placebo, great. But I'm happy that my Nexus 7 is performing how it used to in my placebo world. It had become frustratingly laggy lately. The app also made a difference on my Razr HD. Not as much of an improvement as the nexus, but then again, the nexus was much laggier than the razr before hand. If this app is magical, where can I find more magical apps?
I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to perform a peer reviewed experiment on this app. So if you're not keen on apps that aren't scientifically proven, it's probably best to give this one a miss...
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I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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It definitely accesses the accessible partition of the internal memory.
You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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There are plenty of solutions for rooted devices. I hadn't come across anything for non rooted devices that actually made a difference until I used this.
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
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Gave it a try, no noticeable difference unfortunately.
For anyone interested, it seems like Android 4.3 has a feature built in which is very similar to the function this app performs. The article refers specifically to the Nexus 7, but it's obviously relevant to pretty much an Android device.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices
I tested this app, and it's really great. But as lobie81 said, android 4.3 do the same thing with the implementation of TRIM
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