Evening all. Just wanted to report that I've had good results using the Forever Gone app from the play store to improve lag on my non rooted xt925. It had gotten a bit sluggish lately.
The app essentially "formats" the free space on your ROM memory which seems to restore performance pretty significantly. Made a big difference on my nexus 7 too. It doesn't touch any of your files.
No affiliation, it just got recommended to me and I'm happy with the results. Especially since it doesn't require root.
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nice! thanks for sharing.
will try to use this app too
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Oscarpr7 said:
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Yeah, it does take a bit of time to do it's thing. Especially if you have a reasonable amount of free space. But it's definitely worth the wait IMHO.
I started it before I went to sleep one night and just let it do it's thing. I'm not sure how long it took on my Razr, but it was probably about 20 minutes on my Nexus 7. Again, definitely worth the wait though.
It takes for my razr hd with 9GB free space about ~40 min
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
Someone tell me how it goes!
What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
So what if every "scriptkidd" could write an app like this? How is that helpful to this discussion? I don't understand that comment...
If you don't trust it or don't believe the theory behind it, don't use it. Personally I don't keep stuff on my phone that I would be terribly worried about the North Koreans getting hold of, but I can't speak for others...
Look, at the end of the day, it's not my app. I couldn't care less if you install it or not. I used it and it improved my lag. It's that simple. I thought others might like to hear about that.
It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
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Look, you're entitled to be skeptical. No dramas. I would agree with your comment that the app obviously can't access the restricted areas of the internal memory. That's pretty clear. But it doesn't claim to do that. The way I see it, any app that accesses free space in the internal memory could potentially see an increase in performance. Anything related to the photo gallery, music, movies, books etc which are all stored in accessible area. Also, I don't know about you, but when I look at the accessible area of my internal memory, most of my apps have created their own folder in there. I don't move any apps to SD, I don't see any point. So I can only assume each app is accessing the accessible internal memory of it's own accord. So whether it makes sense to you or not, many apps are clearly accessing the area of memory in question.
Secondly, of course the Android system and launcher would access the accessible area of the internal memory. They need access to images (wall papers etc), sound files etc etc.
I'm not sure what sort of empirical evidence you're looking for? Should one of the Universities begin a research project on this app? Are there many apps that come scientifically proven?
Again, whether it makes sense to you or not is irrelevant to the whole argument. I can 100% guarantee that this app made a significant improvement to lag issues on my Nexus 7 (not rooted). The difference was very obvious. If you believe it's placebo, great. But I'm happy that my Nexus 7 is performing how it used to in my placebo world. It had become frustratingly laggy lately. The app also made a difference on my Razr HD. Not as much of an improvement as the nexus, but then again, the nexus was much laggier than the razr before hand. If this app is magical, where can I find more magical apps?
I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to perform a peer reviewed experiment on this app. So if you're not keen on apps that aren't scientifically proven, it's probably best to give this one a miss...
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I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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It definitely accesses the accessible partition of the internal memory.
You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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There are plenty of solutions for rooted devices. I hadn't come across anything for non rooted devices that actually made a difference until I used this.
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
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Gave it a try, no noticeable difference unfortunately.
For anyone interested, it seems like Android 4.3 has a feature built in which is very similar to the function this app performs. The article refers specifically to the Nexus 7, but it's obviously relevant to pretty much an Android device.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices
I tested this app, and it's really great. But as lobie81 said, android 4.3 do the same thing with the implementation of TRIM
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Not to be a bother, but I have a few questions maybe a few of you could explain. But before I do I should prob say a few things about my general phone usage.
For the most part I use my phone for mostly texting. The reason I upgraded to a Nexus was to have a full touchscreen phone with a processor fast enough to keep up with touchscreen texting on the Android OS. Before this I owned a Mytouch which I then took back, and used 150 of the money to buy a g1 simply for the physical keyboard. I tried every rom mostly, and for some reason some even seemed faster on the g1 than the mytouch. The one I ended up sticking with was the MLIGN 32B. It worked without any problems and was pretty snappy. And from my understanding 32B relied more on A2SD due to less internal memory. On both roms 32A and 32B I never experienced much of a speed difference, and using my process manager, both roms seemed to contain the same amount of remaining memory after install. In the whole time I only really downloaded two apps, Root explorer and Task Panel.
Now on to the real question, about the memory on the Nexus. At first I flashed the Madaco rom on the phone with a a formatted swap-128mb/ext-1024 mb on a 4gb class 6 card, and installed only Task panel. My memory is at around 120 at the time after killing all apps. **Also not sure if I remember correctly but my memory is around 120 or 130 even with the factory rom, but that is based on memory and may not be correct.** Anyways...I reformated the card, swap-512/ext-1024, on the same 4gb card, and installed only task panel. After killing all apps, my phone still remains at 120 memory. So I switched cards to an plain jane formatted 16gb class 2, and things seem to run faster if not the same as the 4gb class 6.
Two or three questions result from this, as I understand the purpose A2SD and formatted memory cards are to extend the original memory of the phone and help performance a bit?
Yet unless task panel doesn't read all the extra partitions and gives false memory readings, I have yet to see a benefit to forrmatting an sd card, or using A2SD?
And I guess the final question is, what is the purpose of relying on artificial memory expansion, when we are striving for phones with more internal memory at the same time. After all that's why I upgraded to the Nexus, so I'd have to rely less on outside sources to make my phone's performance better. To me, I'd rather be able to rely on a rom that streamlines the space needed to allow the extra memory to go towards performance. Though I also don't download or install a lot of apps, keep that in mind. Nor am I trying to criticize any progress already made, just trying to understand it all.
So sorry if I sound completely off, or ignorant in my post, but I'm just trying to get more informed. So I will accept all forms of informative posts, flaming or not. Thanks.
RAM- amount of memory to run applications.
ROM- memory to store files.
Task manager is measuring your RAM, which A2SD has nothing to do with.
its not really needed but if you like lots off apps and big 3d games then it is. ive been with my nexus one for a week and a half, and am down to 82mb in internal phone storage. ive got a bunch of big 3d games that take up a lot of room. but for the everyday user, theres plenty of internal memory. almost 120mb more than the g1(74mb), about a total of 190mb. hope that helps.
Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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It would be more accurate to say a2sd is necessary for (far) fewer people.
The swap partition in a conventional Linux system would be used as virtual memory. The stock ROM for the N1 is not configured to take advantage of swap however. It is possible that cyanogen or another ROM cook will enable it but, like a2sd, it is not as necessary as it was with the G1.
I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
We need A2SD. I have done some research and there will be a plenty of 3D games witch will need plenty of storage some of them mite need 100+mb. So you do need A2SD and it will be nice to see what Google will com up with. Can't wait to see it.
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I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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I've been saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
Until the storage limits for downloaded apps is greatly relaxed (i.e. by apps2sd) we won't see as many really nice looking media rich apps as the iPhone and iPod Touch have. Most of the apps are multi-megabyte on that platform because there is no disincentive to including lots of media and taking up space like there is on non-rooted Android phones.
You can look at the current apps on the Android Market and come to the conclusion that apps2sd isn't a pressing need, but you'd be missing the bigger picture of all the apps that aren't there because nobody wants to download many multi-megabyte apps until we have essentially unlimited storage...
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I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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Agreed , totally agree. hope Google can implement the offical a2sd soon, can not wait for that.
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I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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Awesome. Since I haven't done a2sd on my N1 yet, I've once again realized the pressing need for my CacheMate. I don't know what non-root users do with all that junk on their devices (wish I would make it for non-root users). I really hope that I either don't need my app anymore or that it only has to be run once a month. This storage limitation is a joke. The first time I ran CacheMate on my N1 it cleared almost 50MB! That's 1/4 of the available space. I'd dump Android this phone if it wasn't rooted and I had to manually clear cache all day (I had CacheMate way before it came out ).
People can argue all night long as to whether or not app2sd is needed on the nexus one, but all I can say is that I love having it on mine. For one thing, I don't have to constantly check how much free space I have left on my phone nor do I have to regularly and manually clear my cache.
I know one guy on here who just got it setup on his n1 last night.
Before apps2sd, one of his apps kept crashing, after getting it setup on his nexus, he was very pleased.
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I don't know. I see a noticeable difference already in one of my apps. SPB TV doesn't crash anymore. 307mb ram and 183 rom. Cyanogen, man I don't know how you do it...I love b3 with with memory hack + apps2sd. Thanks man.
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As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
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With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
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With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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I may be working on an overclock kernel this weekend, it all depends on family stuff plus footy.
MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
Disable auto brightness and can set it manual (and increase more brightness).
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As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Yuck, I got that wrong I thought app2sd allowed the footprint part of the installation to be mostly moved to SD. Kinda hoped the 30Mb of Asphalt etc cud be reduced to <1Mb or sumthin. Daft now that I think of it.
I agree then, no point in app2sd cuz I manually move the data when I install stuff anyway.
Admin, can someone wipe my replies to this cuz it's only taking up space on what shud be a valuable thread!!
1, faster boot-up time.
2, ability to pick the games you want to have in the games launcher (or a new launcher).
3, widgets from desire.
4, R/L buttons as camera buttons when active.
5, R/L buttons as volume when camera not active, i find the original volume buttons a pain, even more when you have a case/shell on
6, brighter screen for them sunny days.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
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Maybe its cuz i have 200+ apps installed lol
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As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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well with my fone rooted and afew things gone such as timescape
i get 1800+ in quadrant
but as far as custom roms i would love the miui rom
i had it on my x10 and thought it was exellent
i like the look and how fast and vibrant it was
so come on tripNraver or someone else port it over plz
App2EXT
As I hate the original android app2sd... as all widgets get broken by this method...
From what I've heard, since Verizon has fallen asleep.
1. Bare bone rom. Like to where you have to install gapps and other stuff. Only to have the apps android comes with.
2. R1 as take picture and L1 as focus.
3. Ability to add any shortcut to the "game app," forgot what it was called. Whether it be a app or game.
4. No overclock applied. Let the user add a overclocking app if they want.
5. Power control widget in the status bar.
6. And supper user of coarse
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i want a stock android tbh, STOCK; and of-course, an overclocking module
id love an option to disable data traffic automatically when the phones screen is turned off, if this could be built into a custom stock gingerbread rom. the reason that would be awsome is cause it would double your batterylife and save using a widget and having to manually turn it on and off wasting time.
also R1 for taking picture and L1 for focus
having a battery percentage in the status bar would be amazing ( i know theres apps to do this but again if it was built in the rom as stock)
I would love a better keyboard, i came from an iphone and androids keyboard is just not accurate enough.
thanks in advance whoever takes the time to make this possible i understand it takes alot of time and effort to help others but rest assured it also makes many people happy . I wish sony would have released this phone in a more polished state it feels half finished and fragmented with all the apps and games markets
CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
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CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
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I can agree with that
So do you guys use it and what does it exactly do? And also what does 3g turbocharger and kick ass kernel tweak do?
Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps. Its basically just tweaking the internal task killer to be slightly more aggressive. It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
The 3g tweaks, I think adjust or add some settings to the build.prop which supposedly make it faster although I haven't noticed much difference with that and the kernel tweaks I'm not too sure where the changes are made but again I don't see a great change from it. Definitely recommend v6 supercharger though.
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Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps.
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Great. Let's take 150MiB of RAM and then don't do anything useful with it. Processes aren't supposed to be killed unless you actually run out of memory.
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It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
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That seems innocent, but it won't help you if the launcher has a memory leak. If the launcher kept getting killed, it was telling you that your low memory thresholds are too high. Under normal circumstances, the launcher won't get killed. But if it grows too much, it'll get killed and the OS won't crash.
When you force close an application through the application manager, it shows you a warning. There's a reason for that (exactly what it says). And since Android 2.2, the framework can take care of itself just fine. No need for any 3rd party task killers.
Lol..... Thought you'd have something to say on it, actually mate the way my phone is usually setup there is nothing running in the background to kill anyway, thanks to autostarts I only have apps running that I need and make sure that I close things properly after use, so it really doesn't matter which settings I use whether they be low such as 30mb before it starts killing the first lot of empty apps or high such as 150mb as my setup rarely drops below because there is only the bare minimum running in the first place.
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Allright, it's not that RAM would slowly wear and tear by using it but at least you're not buying that it's better for performance. And I just wonder how these apps are made, as a thought experiment to figure out the mindset of whoever wrote this task killer.
...So let's make an app which looks real cool and doesn't do anything useful in particular! Wait, no one would download that! Hmm... Oh, I know! Let's call it "V6 Supercharger"! Yeah, that sounds awesome! Now people will download it for sure! It's the coolest thing since sliced bread!
It's the same with those programs like "Registry Booster". How did that happen? Someone must've woke up one day, turned on his PC, started poking in the registry, saw lots of keys which aren't really strictly necessary but are there anyway and thought like "Hmm, what if I made a program which removes all these unneeded keys? MS-Windows would be ZOMG faster!!111eleventyone". Then made it look real slick with a custom skin and a speedometer showing progress and say at the end that the registry has been "boosted". And since this guy is such a nice fellow, he threw in some extra free toolbars into the mix as well. Users always appreciate having more toolbars to click on and agreements to ignore.
Ok, I'll stop ranting now. Enjoy your week
Try explaining that to the dev who created it here. Honestly, it would be better, because, I am pretty sure most members here are not as technically inclined as you.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
You're just setting him up so I can tear him apart... aren't you?
The poor bastard doesn't even know what it is... he thinks it's a task killer app... heh
No, I would like him to discuss all the technical aspects with you. Because, clearly, he's wasting his effort as a developer here educating non-technical people like me, and the majority here on the Wildfire Forums.
And before you accuse me of trying to set people up, I can assure you I have nothing against you / your script or anything. Rather, I have used your script, and came away impressed with it.
I know you you weren't doing anything like that... I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
Like I say, what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram?
Besides, I doubt very much he has any technical skills at all... like I said before, he doesn't even know what it is so he's not very techinical
dud3me said:
what does it exactly do?
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It makes you feel good.
And I definitely noticed a 0.00001ms speed difference when opening apps.
Another liar
zeppelinrox said:
Another liar
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Yeah lol. Most people in this forum are wannabe developers who know **** about developing but they like to act like they do. Apart from few people who actually know stuff and the others like me who acknowledge the fact that we don't know anything
Fact is, those who know they don't know learn more than those that think they know it all
Less than a year ago, I knew 0 about android.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
And I'm still figuring it out.
For example, I set my 256mb device to have 25mb free with the number I use in slot 3.
So whatever memory tool I use will show I have 25 or 30mb free... great - that's what I want
But when I was doing up the recent update and enhanced the Fast Engine Flush, I wanted to show before and after using the "free" command.
To my surprise, system tuner shows that I have 30mb free while the free command shows I have only 5mb free!
So what's that mean? Why that difference of 25mb?
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache...
BOOYA!
Really have trouble using your scripts and I think after enabling 3gturbotweak thing my 2g data isn't working haven't tried 3g.
I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.
what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram
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If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
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I just wanted to quote that.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
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That's exactly the impression I had. Now take it from someone who has run Linux both embedded and on his desktop for the past 12 years. Your app doesn't improve anything, and I'd be glad to be proven wrong because you would've actually made a discovery we can use to improve Android and Linux with. From your post I understand it you change vm kernel parameters such that the oom killer is invoked sooner. This is actually detrimental to the stability of the OS, the oom killer is only meant to be invoked as a _last_resort_. The Android framework has its own means to free up memory, including calling onLowMemory in any application and doing a gc run. This does not cause instability and is completely transparent to the user. I've only ever had to manually kill applications in a broken state and others for debugging purposes, which is why the Force Close button exists.
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
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If the output looks anything like this:
Code:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3456 3325 131 0 10 93
-/+ buffers/cache: 3221 235
Then you've just never bothered to look. You can clearly see in the second line it makes a calculation for you which is exactly what it says in the leftmost column. And of course completely disregard the fact that cached pages are invalidated on a write (marked dirty) and reads from an mtd are really fast already anyway.
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache
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This is not how it works! For starters, ram cannot be "clogged". A drain pipe can be clogged but ram is made of digital circuitry, not plumbing. And second, there is no resource starvation in the page cache. It's just an old optimisation to keep data pages in memory for longer to serve repeated reads and give them back whenever they're needed for something else. More apps in ram can actually mean less reads are necessary because the data is already there (especially if you tend to switch between recent apps). Since Android 3.0, application developers are encouraged to use Loaders which cause filesystem I/O to be performed on a background thread. And applications which actually use the available ram always trump applications designed to use as little ram possible in performance. Between a collection of loaded objects and a cached filesystem, the collection always wins. You have 256 to 512 MiB of RAM in a typical Android device. The average application is 18 to 30 MiB. It can manage. Especially when you consider the fact that the UI only shows 1 task at a time and pressing the back button usually destroys the activity you were in. The gc takes care of its remains.
Now here's something which will actually improve write speeds on /data: Open up settings, applications, manage applications. Sort by size. Remove the biggest apps you don't need and move the rest to SD if you can (you can use "pm setInstallLocation 2" as root to move non-froyo-aware apps to SD). I've been using the market a lot lately so I just removed aDosBox, Albert Heijn, PocketCloud, Pulse and moved Dolphin Browser to SD which meant 47.25MiB free on /data. On a 175MiB partition, 30% of it is about 52MiB so I'd try to keep the available space around 50MiB. If your phone is low on storage, doing this will perceivably improve performance.
dud3me said:
Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
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Same thing happened to me, but every time i turned 3g on the phone rebooted and i got stuck in a bootloop, i had to use the ruu update to restore phone.
I would stay away from the network tweaks. It doesnt improve speed anyway.
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The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
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All that you said is very informative.
What are your minfrees?
Set them to something like 6, 12, 16, 18, 26, 30.
Run a bunch of apps...
See how great it runs then
Fact of the matter is, user's with 1GB ram devices notice a real improvement.
Not placebo.
Pressing the home or back button has an instant effect without hesitation - which indeed happens on stock roms.
Yes in theory I'm sure it all makes sense and I apologize for using layman's terms such as "clogging".
An android phone is not a Linux PC so I believe it's not a great idea to configure it like it is a Linux PC.
They have difference purposes.
Anyway, in theory, a bumble bee can't fly - but it does.
I always *****ed that ICS was painfully laggy and slow.. And always had people act like I was talking crazy talk..
So.. On a whim I did something I avoided like the plague.. Instead of a normal factory reset, I also formated USB storage which was never erased since I bought the phone at launch.. Holy crap it fixed laggy ICS.. The phone absolutely flew now and better than I remember Gingerbread.. It was the easiest `fix' I've ever ran across. :laugh:
So, any of you guys who know the file system well.. What could have been on the USB storage to cripple the performance so much? It was always slow regardless of formatting data/system/ etc etc (everything you do before installing a new ROM etc).. I know I've read others who thought ICS was laggy.. If I were you I'd ask yourself when was the last time you formated USB storage and try it.. It was about a 300% difference in performance..
Who knows. Probably just junk left over from old apps and pics. I'm sure there is an actual answer. I've heard if the USB format fixing other issues as well. Maybe others will follow suit and try. So many people complaining about it. Lol.
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There is some minimal amount of os data on the sdcard which could make a difference. .android_secure and Android would be the main folders. MOST issues get sorted through /system and data/factory resets though (this deletes .android_secure). If there are still issues, sdcard should go too. Never had problems with any devices I've used like this.
Glad you've happily moved on though. Enjoy ICS.
for one thing, a clean sdcard means less work for the media scanner running in the background, which frees up the cpu used on the media scanner. you should backup important stuffs on the sdcard, nandroid, reformat the sdcard every few months.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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That's normal, and infact good.
When you close an application, it leaves a bit of footprint in the RAM. So when you open it the next time, it opens faster. Incase the RAM starts running out, android removes the earlier apps from it.
Stop blaming Sammy for just about everything.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
jaythenut said:
i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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Is it safe to use these app killer things or should we just let Android take care of it automatically? I thought I read somewhere that these things are bad and can make corruption?
Over 90%? I rarely go past 50%... Perks of running CM11
I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I'm using stock TW on Tmo and I go over 90% at least every other day if not more
Might wanna check what apps you are using and have installed. Uninstall apps you don't use etc.
If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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I was on 4.3 MJ1 rooted and every day I would go up to 90% as it would notify me on the bar to clean.
Now I'm on 4.4 NA6 rooted and I don't get the popup anymore, the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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here is the spreadsheet listing apps, what they do and if they're safe to remove or freeze, it is not complete but good starting point. Just be careful, don't touch stuff you're not sure about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470862
Since Google, just like Crapple thinks all their users are idiots and should be saved from themselves, yeah you need to root to just do anything on your phone. You can go to Application manager and force close programs you don't use without root but:
1. you need to do it every time phone starts one by one
2. some programs will restart by themselves anyway
When you freeze, you do it once and that's it. ROM Toolbox has pretty much all you need.
As far as 4.4 goes, yep you may get some RAM back but pretty much loose access to your SD card, if you have one, something like going from shower into the rain
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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MicroSD works on mine. Maybe its because of different variants. But I run custom ROM X-Note 8.0, and most of my media is in MicroSD.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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KK introduces new permission for SD card usage that breaks writing to SD for most 3rd party apps, you can fix it if you're rooted or run custom ROM, like above poster, but I don't think there is a way to root KK without tripping Knox flag and so you may be loosing your warranty.
I'm rooted on 4.3 and my flag is x0, so for me this is the way it will have to stay.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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Just to add to this.
Here's another app I've been using to clear ram.
Advanced Task Cleaner Pro (doesn't require root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bright.taskcleaner
The advantage this app has over the regular way of clearing ram is that you can create an auto-kill list, which will stop apps from reloading back into the memory after being killed. It will show system as well as user apps and processes currently running.
Digging through the settings there's also a setting to clear ram on system startup(non-root alt to boot manager)
I myself have never got the "full or almost full" memory notification, so I quess I've never maxed out the ram. I think most of these memory/app killing apps(including the one above) are aimed at low and middle tier mobiles which don't have sufficient memory to cope with multitasking and background processes, without stuttering and slowing to a halt.
Since my battery life is good, and I'm more than happy with the phone's speed, I haven't got a real need to clear the memory all the time. I have a habbit of closing apps after using them, although leaving apps in the background and/or not clearing memory after closing will result in faster opening times. There are quite a few claims that these ram killer apps save massive amounts of battery and what not, from my end I don't see this, although its important to check for yourself and come to you own conclusions.
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