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Is A2SD really necessary on the Nexus?

Not to be a bother, but I have a few questions maybe a few of you could explain. But before I do I should prob say a few things about my general phone usage.
For the most part I use my phone for mostly texting. The reason I upgraded to a Nexus was to have a full touchscreen phone with a processor fast enough to keep up with touchscreen texting on the Android OS. Before this I owned a Mytouch which I then took back, and used 150 of the money to buy a g1 simply for the physical keyboard. I tried every rom mostly, and for some reason some even seemed faster on the g1 than the mytouch. The one I ended up sticking with was the MLIGN 32B. It worked without any problems and was pretty snappy. And from my understanding 32B relied more on A2SD due to less internal memory. On both roms 32A and 32B I never experienced much of a speed difference, and using my process manager, both roms seemed to contain the same amount of remaining memory after install. In the whole time I only really downloaded two apps, Root explorer and Task Panel.
Now on to the real question, about the memory on the Nexus. At first I flashed the Madaco rom on the phone with a a formatted swap-128mb/ext-1024 mb on a 4gb class 6 card, and installed only Task panel. My memory is at around 120 at the time after killing all apps. **Also not sure if I remember correctly but my memory is around 120 or 130 even with the factory rom, but that is based on memory and may not be correct.** Anyways...I reformated the card, swap-512/ext-1024, on the same 4gb card, and installed only task panel. After killing all apps, my phone still remains at 120 memory. So I switched cards to an plain jane formatted 16gb class 2, and things seem to run faster if not the same as the 4gb class 6.
Two or three questions result from this, as I understand the purpose A2SD and formatted memory cards are to extend the original memory of the phone and help performance a bit?
Yet unless task panel doesn't read all the extra partitions and gives false memory readings, I have yet to see a benefit to forrmatting an sd card, or using A2SD?
And I guess the final question is, what is the purpose of relying on artificial memory expansion, when we are striving for phones with more internal memory at the same time. After all that's why I upgraded to the Nexus, so I'd have to rely less on outside sources to make my phone's performance better. To me, I'd rather be able to rely on a rom that streamlines the space needed to allow the extra memory to go towards performance. Though I also don't download or install a lot of apps, keep that in mind. Nor am I trying to criticize any progress already made, just trying to understand it all.
So sorry if I sound completely off, or ignorant in my post, but I'm just trying to get more informed. So I will accept all forms of informative posts, flaming or not. Thanks.

RAM- amount of memory to run applications.
ROM- memory to store files.
Task manager is measuring your RAM, which A2SD has nothing to do with.

its not really needed but if you like lots off apps and big 3d games then it is. ive been with my nexus one for a week and a half, and am down to 82mb in internal phone storage. ive got a bunch of big 3d games that take up a lot of room. but for the everyday user, theres plenty of internal memory. almost 120mb more than the g1(74mb), about a total of 190mb. hope that helps.

Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?

fykick said:
Okay, thanks, for the most part those two simple answers clarify things. I guess I was under the impression that out of the 3 partitions (swap/ext/fat32) that the phone used one of them for a virtual memory, the way windows uses hard drive space for virtual memory if your ram usage is getting close to overflowing. Am I correct in assuming such, or does the phone in fact not use any of the partitions in this way?
Though if it does, which partition is used as virtual memory per say? Or are there not any add ons out for the nexus yet that incorporate such?
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It would be more accurate to say a2sd is necessary for (far) fewer people.
The swap partition in a conventional Linux system would be used as virtual memory. The stock ROM for the N1 is not configured to take advantage of swap however. It is possible that cyanogen or another ROM cook will enable it but, like a2sd, it is not as necessary as it was with the G1.

I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?

We need A2SD. I have done some research and there will be a plenty of 3D games witch will need plenty of storage some of them mite need 100+mb. So you do need A2SD and it will be nice to see what Google will com up with. Can't wait to see it.

Ace42 said:
I think apps2sd isnt needed apps are usually smaller than 4MB plus will you actually use all those apps?
I have like 20apps atm and use like 10 of them.Others were good at the time i installed but are boring now.Im waiting for gameboid and the other apps to be in the market.Does anyone see raging thunder in market?
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lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.

simms22 said:
lol, raging thunder is sweet on the n1. so is armageddon squadron, armored strike, call of duty, rs09 real soccer, sky force, speed forge 3d, toonwars, wave blazer, homerun battle 3d.... while most apps are under 4mb, some are 8, 10+. they add up. on top of games, i also have many other apps that i find useful. not all at once, but at times. why not have apps2sd as an option? i have 76 total apps and games right now, im down to 80mb. id like to download more apps in future. my g1 has 220 apps installed with 180mb left.
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I've been saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).

Until the storage limits for downloaded apps is greatly relaxed (i.e. by apps2sd) we won't see as many really nice looking media rich apps as the iPhone and iPod Touch have. Most of the apps are multi-megabyte on that platform because there is no disincentive to including lots of media and taking up space like there is on non-rooted Android phones.
You can look at the current apps on the Android Market and come to the conclusion that apps2sd isn't a pressing need, but you'd be missing the bigger picture of all the apps that aren't there because nobody wants to download many multi-megabyte apps until we have essentially unlimited storage...

AndroidAppCritic said:
I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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Agreed , totally agree. hope Google can implement the offical a2sd soon, can not wait for that.

AndroidAppCritic said:
I've saying this in many of the discussions on a2sd for the N1. There are those who feel that it is not needed on the N1. However, there is less space on the N1 (appalling for 2010 and such a sweet device) than on the myTouch and we all had it on the myTouch. Given that there is less than 200MB of storage available for apps on the N1, unless we use a2sd we are doomed to using a small number of apps each being small in size. While I dislike just about everything about the iPhone, the one thing it has is the ability to install 100MB+ apps. While a2sd will allow this, these types of apps will not be created until there is official support for more storage, whether it's built-in or an a2sd implemented by Google (supposedly in the works but that basically means nothing until it's here).
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absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!

simms22 said:
absolutely agree. at the rate im going, im going to be out of internal storage memory by the end of this month. and by the way, i have both your apps on my g1 and cachemate on my nexus. both are extremely useful apps!
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Awesome. Since I haven't done a2sd on my N1 yet, I've once again realized the pressing need for my CacheMate. I don't know what non-root users do with all that junk on their devices (wish I would make it for non-root users). I really hope that I either don't need my app anymore or that it only has to be run once a month. This storage limitation is a joke. The first time I ran CacheMate on my N1 it cleared almost 50MB! That's 1/4 of the available space. I'd dump Android this phone if it wasn't rooted and I had to manually clear cache all day (I had CacheMate way before it came out ).

People can argue all night long as to whether or not app2sd is needed on the nexus one, but all I can say is that I love having it on mine. For one thing, I don't have to constantly check how much free space I have left on my phone nor do I have to regularly and manually clear my cache.
I know one guy on here who just got it setup on his n1 last night.
Before apps2sd, one of his apps kept crashing, after getting it setup on his nexus, he was very pleased.
kamasi36 said:
I don't know. I see a noticeable difference already in one of my apps. SPB TV doesn't crash anymore. 307mb ram and 183 rom. Cyanogen, man I don't know how you do it...I love b3 with with memory hack + apps2sd. Thanks man.
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Launcher pro optimized on Galaxy S - holy cow

Look how fast that interface is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAE_zKAtMvg

The problem is, thats not just launcher pro its had the modaco RAM hack to move data to NAND. To do that you need root, and when the memory fills up the phone crashes.
If only Samsung could sort this properly in an update this phone would be tops. This whole lag issue is putting me of upgrading from my desire . I really want this phone but there really shouldn't be this issue
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

And what clock/weather widget was used on the phone?

mark99uk said:
The problem is, thats not just launcher pro its had the modaco RAM hack to move data to NAND. To do that you need root, and when the memory fills up the phone crashes.
If only Samsung could sort this properly in an update this phone would be tops. This whole lag issue is putting me of upgrading from my desire . I really want this phone but there really shouldn't be this issue
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Yes there is one hidden thing here: If you have lots of heavy programs like some games, some navigation progs, google earth, you must keep those heavy programs in the old location. I did exactly this - moved to NAND everything except Google Earth, some Gameloft games and navigation. So now I have really fast phone, all my programs, and there is still plenty of space on NAND memory.
And it is just standart/stock XXJF3 firmware btw

th80 said:
And what clock/weather widget was used on the phone?
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Its from the market: weather widgets (yr.no)

What exactly is done to optimize Launcher Pro? Seems to me like the OS got optimized and Launcher Pro is just taking a ride on that performance gain.
This smells like a bull**** ad for Launcher Pro. Does it perform any worse running the vanilla home screen? I seriously doubt it. I even doubt the performance difference is very apparent comparing to TouchWiz.

mickeko said:
What exactly is done to optimize Launcher Pro? Seems to me like the OS got optimized and Launcher Pro is just taking a ride on that performance gain.
This smells like a bull**** ad for Launcher Pro. Does it perform any worse running the vanilla home screen? I seriously doubt it. I even doubt the performance difference is very apparent comparing to TouchWiz.
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Thats my video, but not my topic - and the name of the topic is a bit wrong Actually you are partly right - speed increase came from apps data on another partition and memory settings, however Launcher Pro performs faster than TW Launcher even with this optimizations. And I don't see any point in advertising Launcher Pro since its completely free - and even without ads as I can see.

vitalij said:
Thats my video, but not my topic - and the name of the topic is a bit wrong Actually you are partly right - speed increase came from apps data on another partition and memory settings, however Launcher Pro performs faster than TW Launcher even with this optimizations. And I don't see any point in advertising Launcher Pro since its completely free - and even without ads as I can see.
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Ofcourse there's a point in advertising free stuff. It sets the bars higher for the commercial stuff.
I don't see how a launcher can start apps faster than another? The "performance difference" I noticed when comparing Launcher Pro to TouchWiz seemed to be the transitions, not the actual loading of apps. While it adds a slight delay, it has nothing to do with performance. TW is a "smoother" experience than Launcher Pro, which is what I like about it (and which is also why I forgive it for looking way too much like iOS).
Would be interesting (but the time needed puts me off the idea ) to make a true comparison of the huge amount of alternative home screens available.

vitalij said:
Yes there is one hidden thing here: If you have lots of heavy programs like some games, some navigation progs, google earth, you must keep those heavy programs in the old location. I did exactly this - moved to NAND everything except Google Earth, some Gameloft games and navigation. So now I have really fast phone, all my programs, and there is still plenty of space on NAND memory.
And it is just standart/stock XXJF3 firmware btw
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Could you post the steps for this?
The posts about this at Modaco are getting confused, with everyone sharing is way to do it.
I've done this with all apps, but without any games or major apps.
I think you have the best solution for this, just moving the most common apps to NAND.

Thats awesome!
I too would love to know the step by step for this...
Am i to assume with only the common apps moved the 130mb cap causing the phone to crash will never be reached? or?

OrionTC said:
Thats awesome!
I too would love to know the step by step for this...
Am i to assume with only the common apps moved the 130mb cap causing the phone to crash will never be reached? or?
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I posted on the MoDaCo forum on how to do this for Google Earth, it assumes that you followed all of Paul's instructions in the thread (the original data is backed up to data.bak) and that you are familiar with using adb.
adb shell
su
You can check the amount of space utilised by your applications in the /data/data directory by doing the following:
cd /data/data
du -d1
To move Google Earth out of the way
rm -R /data/data/com.google.earth
ln -s /data/data.bak/com.google.earth /data/data/com.google.earth
Disclaimer: If you are uncomfortable doing any of this, don't do it!

damianarnold said:
I posted on the MoDaCo forum on how to do this for Google Earth, it assumes that you followed all of Paul's instructions in the thread (the original data is backed up to data.bak) and that you are familiar with using adb.
adb shell
su
You can check the amount of space utilised by your applications in the /data/data directory by doing the following:
cd /data/data
du -d1
To move Google Earth out of the way
rm -R /data/data/com.google.earth
ln -s /data/data.bak/com.google.earth /data/data/com.google.earth
Disclaimer: If you are uncomfortable doing any of this, don't do it!
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Yeah probably best to wait for this to be incorporated into a ROM build or something. Not very familiar with linux commands if anything went wrong id be clueless.

OrionTC said:
Yeah probably best to wait for this to be incorporated into a ROM build or something. Not very familiar with linux commands if anything went wrong id be clueless.
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I suggest, if you are not comfortable with these commands, just don't do it! Just root the phone and use MinFreeMem from market with aggressive preset, it will be quite enough speed!

mickeko said:
Ofcourse there's a point in advertising free stuff. It sets the bars higher for the commercial stuff.
I don't see how a launcher can start apps faster than another? The "performance difference" I noticed when comparing Launcher Pro to TouchWiz seemed to be the transitions, not the actual loading of apps. While it adds a slight delay, it has nothing to do with performance. TW is a "smoother" experience than Launcher Pro, which is what I like about it (and which is also why I forgive it for looking way too much like iOS).
Would be interesting (but the time needed puts me off the idea ) to make a true comparison of the huge amount of alternative home screens available.
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I see that exiting from apps to home-screen is faster with LauncherPro, than with TWLauncher, thats why I prefer LauncherPro.

Did you noticed any differences in battery life?

tintol said:
Did you noticed any differences in battery life?
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Looks to be same as before

vitalij said:
Yes there is one hidden thing here: If you have lots of heavy programs like some games, some navigation progs, google earth, you must keep those heavy programs in the old location. I did exactly this - moved to NAND everything except Google Earth, some Gameloft games and navigation. So now I have really fast phone, all my programs, and there is still plenty of space on NAND memory.
And it is just standart/stock XXJF3 firmware btw
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Quick question: I am assuming that if you install something big, say Google Earth AFTER you have done Paul's mod, you will then have to move it from dbdata/data to data/data.bak and link it to /data/data from there. As it will go by default to dbdata. Correct?

vitalij said:
I suggest, if you are not comfortable with these commands, just don't do it! Just root the phone and use MinFreeMem from market with aggressive preset, it will be quite enough speed!
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Hi There,
Wasn't able to find MinFreeMem in Android Market - do you have any tips for me to find it?
Regards,
giantroxx

minfreemem does not work in galaxy anyway.. it does not reset it at reboot. recommend you get autokill it does the same thing and does work at reboot.

lgkahn said:
minfreemem does not work in galaxy anyway.. it does not reset it at reboot. recommend you get autokill it does the same thing and does work at reboot.
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Yeah that's true I start it manually after reboot. I think there are other programs that do same but work automatically after reboot.

Available RAM

I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?

i.mac said:
I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
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That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+

http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement

live4nyy said:
That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
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That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/

i.mac said:
That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
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Yeah, I hear ya. I forget sometimes that a task killer used to be essential on older versions like 1.5/1.6

I usually have between 250-400 free, but I turn my phone off and on once or twice a day to keep it running fresh. I never see available ram that low.

im usually at around 400-450 when i keep it normal....try to clean up the crap out some bloated scripts on webtop, that'll free up some space, and also delete the bloatware from the apps...if you do that and don't run a secondary launcher, you should be fine...im just running motoblur adeo modded which keeps it lean.

I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?

i.mac said:
I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
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well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.

You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
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That is an interesting bit of information. I never realized any of that. I always look at the little memroy stat on my sense clock widget and hate when my memory gets low. I am always closing apps to bring up free ram.
This was one of the reasons I reverted from the adeo rom. Always had less than 200mb free and could barely get it higher. Without adeo I can keep it closer to 300mb.
It always seems that my phone runs fine no matter what the available ram states so it makes sense to me that it doesn't matter. Perhaps now I won't concern myself with it as much and maybe even give launcher pro another go.

Mafisometal said:
well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
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waltah! said:
You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.

I have a ton of stuff on my phone and it usually doesn't go lower than 300mb free. Usually more around 400-450.
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live4nyy said:
I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
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this man speaks the truth.
I'm running launcher pro, blur stuff frozen, always have more than 300mb free. want to know the best way to clean up the RAM? go delete all the excess apps you don't actually need or use. I'm willing to bet there are a good number that you haven't used since first downloading thinking they'd be cool.

cegna09 said:
this man speaks the truth. .
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Yea, verily. This is why I'm not especially worried about the Bionic's or the G2X's smaller RAM capacities. I have killed a lot of bloatware and typically have more than half my Atrix's memory available. Since "available" basically equals "wasted", I'm not going to have any problem returning the phone to hold out for the G2X.
(I would probably feel differently if I could see myself getting much use out of the Atrix's webtop OS.)

Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?

i.mac said:
Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.

live4nyy said:
Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Wow! And I suppose there is a tutorial for this. I have used a lot of abd with my Nexus but I always had a tutorial to refer to.

Why do you need more than 200mb of RAM available? I use a Milestone 1 and I get 30 to 50MB available and it works like a charm. Memory management in Android is automatic, way different from a desktop OS. It frees up memory as soon as you need it.

I run Memory Booster which has task killer and quick boost. When I run it after start up, I hit around low 600 mb free. When I run it when the phone dips to the 300 mb range, it normally frees up 150 to 200 mb.

[Q] Ram ?

May i ask why is the ram used always 500-600 / 776 even after closing all programs? Is this normal?

Yes, it is normal, but with touch of some devs we could get more
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Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update

The only problem of too much used ram is that the garbage collection on the the Tab7.7 is quite bad and needs to be tweaked once you have 50mb free ram it starts to significantly slow down till the low memory killer decides to kick in.

elsonhwx said:
make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update
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I not sure how many times this needs to be repeated, but the lag is due to honeycomb and touchwiz, and likely won't change till ICS arrives.

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.

DaveC1964 said:
Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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A windows 8 tablet might give you just that and I would assume the modding community for it will be bigger.

DaveC1964 said:
I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.

Richdog said:
You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you

might as well try installing autostarts app so you will have control on the app that will run on certain event, such as during boot up, when wifi is turned on etc. saves ram and loading times (during boot up not the app themselves)

I just uninstalled a bunch of stuff, about 61 APK's this includes apps that I will never use and widgets that I dont use that auto starts.

koofaa said:
which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you
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That is a very good question. Whats apps could safely be frozen that wont interfeer with the operation of the tab. Everytime i clear ram using the stock task manager it closes over 20 apps, i would like to know what they are and if i really need them.
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Mine is always used maxed at 650mb.. If I clear them, it will go down to 420.. sometime even 380..

650MB sounds about right as we only have 766MB of usable mem, andriod tends to keep between 75-95mb of free ram for god knows what.

i just get tired of stupid TouchWiz to kill my browser or Reader each time i go to Home launcher and open something else

Richdog said:
You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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I tried that on my phone and it ended up freezing the GUI somehow (even though I only froze bloat) so I could no longer use the phone at all. I had to reflash the FW through odin and set up all over again. What a pain. I am a bit aprehensive to freeze anything now.

which system apps that we suppose to freez and it's save??do you have any suggestion??
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i am having some issues with the ram - it gets to a point where the device becomes unresponsive using around 750 mb of ram - not sure exactly why and i dont always have alot of apps open - i am forced to hold the power button down and restart - i am rooted running the magnolia tab 1.1 beta - i dont remember if this was happening before i rooted / running this rom - i am not running any widgets at all now and it is still happening - anyone else having this issue ?

I suspect the missing ram may have been stolen by the Mali graphics adapter. I'm not certain but since this is a SOC there isn't any place to put ram so it just nicks done system ram. It seems like a lot to go missing but texture can be pretty large these days.
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[Q] How often does your RAM go over 90% used?

I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?

Neo3D said:
I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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That's normal, and infact good.
When you close an application, it leaves a bit of footprint in the RAM. So when you open it the next time, it opens faster. Incase the RAM starts running out, android removes the earlier apps from it.
Stop blaming Sammy for just about everything.

Neo3D said:
I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday

jaythenut said:
i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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Is it safe to use these app killer things or should we just let Android take care of it automatically? I thought I read somewhere that these things are bad and can make corruption?

Over 90%? I rarely go past 50%... Perks of running CM11

I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..

radicalisto said:
I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I'm using stock TW on Tmo and I go over 90% at least every other day if not more

Might wanna check what apps you are using and have installed. Uninstall apps you don't use etc.

If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.

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If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?

pete4k said:
On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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I was on 4.3 MJ1 rooted and every day I would go up to 90% as it would notify me on the bar to clean.
Now I'm on 4.4 NA6 rooted and I don't get the popup anymore, the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.

nicholaschum said:
the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?

Neo3D said:
Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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here is the spreadsheet listing apps, what they do and if they're safe to remove or freeze, it is not complete but good starting point. Just be careful, don't touch stuff you're not sure about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470862
Since Google, just like Crapple thinks all their users are idiots and should be saved from themselves, yeah you need to root to just do anything on your phone. You can go to Application manager and force close programs you don't use without root but:
1. you need to do it every time phone starts one by one
2. some programs will restart by themselves anyway
When you freeze, you do it once and that's it. ROM Toolbox has pretty much all you need.
As far as 4.4 goes, yep you may get some RAM back but pretty much loose access to your SD card, if you have one, something like going from shower into the rain

Neo3D said:
What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.

nicholaschum said:
You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816

Neo3D said:
But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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MicroSD works on mine. Maybe its because of different variants. But I run custom ROM X-Note 8.0, and most of my media is in MicroSD.

Neo3D said:
But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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KK introduces new permission for SD card usage that breaks writing to SD for most 3rd party apps, you can fix it if you're rooted or run custom ROM, like above poster, but I don't think there is a way to root KK without tripping Knox flag and so you may be loosing your warranty.
I'm rooted on 4.3 and my flag is x0, so for me this is the way it will have to stay.

denski101 said:
^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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Just to add to this.
Here's another app I've been using to clear ram.
Advanced Task Cleaner Pro (doesn't require root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bright.taskcleaner
The advantage this app has over the regular way of clearing ram is that you can create an auto-kill list, which will stop apps from reloading back into the memory after being killed. It will show system as well as user apps and processes currently running.
Digging through the settings there's also a setting to clear ram on system startup(non-root alt to boot manager)
I myself have never got the "full or almost full" memory notification, so I quess I've never maxed out the ram. I think most of these memory/app killing apps(including the one above) are aimed at low and middle tier mobiles which don't have sufficient memory to cope with multitasking and background processes, without stuttering and slowing to a halt.
Since my battery life is good, and I'm more than happy with the phone's speed, I haven't got a real need to clear the memory all the time. I have a habbit of closing apps after using them, although leaving apps in the background and/or not clearing memory after closing will result in faster opening times. There are quite a few claims that these ram killer apps save massive amounts of battery and what not, from my end I don't see this, although its important to check for yourself and come to you own conclusions.
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