I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
i.mac said:
I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
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That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
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That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
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That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
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That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
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Yeah, I hear ya. I forget sometimes that a task killer used to be essential on older versions like 1.5/1.6
I usually have between 250-400 free, but I turn my phone off and on once or twice a day to keep it running fresh. I never see available ram that low.
im usually at around 400-450 when i keep it normal....try to clean up the crap out some bloated scripts on webtop, that'll free up some space, and also delete the bloatware from the apps...if you do that and don't run a secondary launcher, you should be fine...im just running motoblur adeo modded which keeps it lean.
I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
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I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
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well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
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That is an interesting bit of information. I never realized any of that. I always look at the little memroy stat on my sense clock widget and hate when my memory gets low. I am always closing apps to bring up free ram.
This was one of the reasons I reverted from the adeo rom. Always had less than 200mb free and could barely get it higher. Without adeo I can keep it closer to 300mb.
It always seems that my phone runs fine no matter what the available ram states so it makes sense to me that it doesn't matter. Perhaps now I won't concern myself with it as much and maybe even give launcher pro another go.
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well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
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You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
I have a ton of stuff on my phone and it usually doesn't go lower than 300mb free. Usually more around 400-450.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
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this man speaks the truth.
I'm running launcher pro, blur stuff frozen, always have more than 300mb free. want to know the best way to clean up the RAM? go delete all the excess apps you don't actually need or use. I'm willing to bet there are a good number that you haven't used since first downloading thinking they'd be cool.
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Yea, verily. This is why I'm not especially worried about the Bionic's or the G2X's smaller RAM capacities. I have killed a lot of bloatware and typically have more than half my Atrix's memory available. Since "available" basically equals "wasted", I'm not going to have any problem returning the phone to hold out for the G2X.
(I would probably feel differently if I could see myself getting much use out of the Atrix's webtop OS.)
Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Wow! And I suppose there is a tutorial for this. I have used a lot of abd with my Nexus but I always had a tutorial to refer to.
Why do you need more than 200mb of RAM available? I use a Milestone 1 and I get 30 to 50MB available and it works like a charm. Memory management in Android is automatic, way different from a desktop OS. It frees up memory as soon as you need it.
I run Memory Booster which has task killer and quick boost. When I run it after start up, I hit around low 600 mb free. When I run it when the phone dips to the 300 mb range, it normally frees up 150 to 200 mb.
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As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
I will start:
With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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As you know, the fact that bootloaders are unlocked leaves an open door for third party firmwares (custom ROMs) to be applied to the phone.
Usually custom ROMs expand the functionalities of the phone and correct some of the software shortcomings. Even though the phone is only recently in the market, there may be some feature wishes and some complaints already.
In short, what features shoud a custom ROM add and what shortcomings should it correct?
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With the not-so-last gen processor the Play has, it is probably necessary to be able to overclock it.
I would like a minimal ROM (aka without bloatware) as it seems that the booting time of stock ROMs is incredibly high and it is caused by bloatware.
I don't have the phone yet (it's on its way ^^) but I have read things about the brightness setting being too dim and not changeable.
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I may be working on an overclock kernel this weekend, it all depends on family stuff plus footy.
MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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MOOOOOOORE MEMORY i dont even need a custom rom, just wish i had more than 40mb free ram at some point lol
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
Disable auto brightness and can set it manual (and increase more brightness).
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As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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Doesn't sound right. I usually have over 200 free when the phones idle and no where near full when using FPSE etc.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Sure you can move most app data to the SD from settings AFAIK. Bit of a pain though so installing to SD automatically would be nice.
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Yuck, I got that wrong I thought app2sd allowed the footprint part of the installation to be mostly moved to SD. Kinda hoped the 30Mb of Asphalt etc cud be reduced to <1Mb or sumthin. Daft now that I think of it.
I agree then, no point in app2sd cuz I manually move the data when I install stuff anyway.
Admin, can someone wipe my replies to this cuz it's only taking up space on what shud be a valuable thread!!
1, faster boot-up time.
2, ability to pick the games you want to have in the games launcher (or a new launcher).
3, widgets from desire.
4, R/L buttons as camera buttons when active.
5, R/L buttons as volume when camera not active, i find the original volume buttons a pain, even more when you have a case/shell on
6, brighter screen for them sunny days.
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I think he's refering to Internal Storage rather than RAM.
Since we suffer from very low internal storage, it would be great if a new ROM would provide something similar to the app2sd application (forces apps to install all data to SD). Might be a big ask though?
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
Nope im talking about ram. If you guys have issues with storage, fire up adb, connect your device. And input.
adb shell
$ pm setinstalllocation2
$ exit
This will force all apps to be allowed to install to the sd card, and games like ashpalt take less than a mb
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Nice tip cheers lad. Still not seeing how you are having problems with ram usage though, I haven't encountered any. If anything I am constantly surprised at the amount I have free when gaming etc.
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Maybe its cuz i have 200+ apps installed lol
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As mentioned, a bloat free rom. Pure Android port maybe?
There should be another loader than play, something thats able to load psx,snes,mame (single games) and every other games u installed by opening the pad. With the possibility to add/remove stuff after u install it.
Overclock is mentioned. (Only 1500 in quadrant original??) FPS is okay though.
(I hope wolves - sunderland is canceled, so we have something to look forward too.)
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well with my fone rooted and afew things gone such as timescape
i get 1800+ in quadrant
but as far as custom roms i would love the miui rom
i had it on my x10 and thought it was exellent
i like the look and how fast and vibrant it was
so come on tripNraver or someone else port it over plz
App2EXT
As I hate the original android app2sd... as all widgets get broken by this method...
From what I've heard, since Verizon has fallen asleep.
1. Bare bone rom. Like to where you have to install gapps and other stuff. Only to have the apps android comes with.
2. R1 as take picture and L1 as focus.
3. Ability to add any shortcut to the "game app," forgot what it was called. Whether it be a app or game.
4. No overclock applied. Let the user add a overclocking app if they want.
5. Power control widget in the status bar.
6. And supper user of coarse
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i want a stock android tbh, STOCK; and of-course, an overclocking module
id love an option to disable data traffic automatically when the phones screen is turned off, if this could be built into a custom stock gingerbread rom. the reason that would be awsome is cause it would double your batterylife and save using a widget and having to manually turn it on and off wasting time.
also R1 for taking picture and L1 for focus
having a battery percentage in the status bar would be amazing ( i know theres apps to do this but again if it was built in the rom as stock)
I would love a better keyboard, i came from an iphone and androids keyboard is just not accurate enough.
thanks in advance whoever takes the time to make this possible i understand it takes alot of time and effort to help others but rest assured it also makes many people happy . I wish sony would have released this phone in a more polished state it feels half finished and fragmented with all the apps and games markets
CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
FrAsErTaG said:
CM7 or MIUI with apps2ext+
Overclocking kernel with CIFS
enough said..
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I can agree with that
Does anyone know the speed on it, since a lot of my high read apps have huge issues with my transformer. I wanted to also know if there was anyway to point or force them to run off my class 10 card I got in it.
Its not a hard drive, its NAND flash memory and it should be as quick or quicker than your SD card
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Its not a hard drive, its NAND flash memory and it should be as quick or quicker than your SD card
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Weird, for some reason my tablet seems to be getting slower and it's driving me nuts. Now I am not sure if it's the custom rom or not, maybe I should just say nuts to it and get rid of root and reload the stock rom.
Is there a way to test the read wright speed so I can double check?
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Weird, for some reason my tablet seems to be getting slower and it's driving me nuts. Now I am not sure if it's the custom rom or not, maybe I should just say nuts to it and get rid of root and reload the stock rom.
Is there a way to test the read wright speed so I can double check?
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Do you have a task killer running? If you do, then that's most likely the culprit.
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Do you have a task killer running? If you do, then that's most likely the culprit.
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Nope, the biggest issues are when just pictures or chandroid is running. They move fine but slow to a crippled crawl in a bit, as for a task killer I don't have any unless it comes stock off the custom rom.
Honestly it is annoying as hell when it gets to a craw and then force close over and over.
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Nope, the biggest issues are when just pictures or chandroid is running. They move fine but slow to a crippled crawl in a bit, as for a task killer I don't have any unless it comes stock off the custom rom.
Honestly it is annoying as hell when it gets to a craw and then force close over and over.
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Sounds like it's just a bad app?
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Sounds like it's just a bad app?
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No, they both work fine on my nook and my hd2 and my other tablet. It's just the newest one I got (ie the transformer) that I started to notice the issue. I worked with the dev from chandroid and we tried everything and he said as he looked over the crash report that there was nothing wrong with the app.
On the stock build of OS, he said it was an issue being caused by splashtop stuff. Is there anyway to rip every program out by the core needed to run and let me add them one at a time to test?
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No, they both work fine on my nook and my hd2 and my other tablet. It's just the newest one I got (ie the transformer) that I started to notice the issue. I worked with the dev from chandroid and we tried everything and he said as he looked over the crash report that there was nothing wrong with the app.
On the stock build of OS, he said it was an issue being caused by splashtop stuff. Is there anyway to rip every program out by the core needed to run and let me add them one at a time to test?
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If you're rooted, you should just be able to uninstall stuff with Titanium Backup.. but make sure you backup the app first.
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If you're rooted, you should just be able to uninstall stuff with Titanium Backup.. but make sure you backup the app first.
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Aye, I got root. I was hoping to find out if there was a rom that was just barebones. So more or less do a full backup and then pull them all out and test it one at a time? I can just do a backup in clockwork mod.
I am just reaching a head with being annoying and asking for help.
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Aye, I got root. I was hoping to find out if there was a rom that was just barebones. So more or less do a full backup and then pull them all out and test it one at a time? I can just do a backup in clockwork mod.
I am just reaching a head with being annoying and asking for help.
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Yeah, I'm not aware of a super barebones rom. Full backup and uninstall one by one is what I would do.
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Yeah, I'm not aware of a super barebones rom. Full backup and uninstall one by one is what I would do.
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What is the best way to remove anything/everything? Cause if I got it backed up and if I blow the OS I can just do a recovery.
The easiest way would be to freeze the app with titanium backup, you could also just manually rename it or delete it.
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No, they both work fine on my nook and my hd2 and my other tablet. It's just the newest one I got (ie the transformer) that I started to notice the issue. I worked with the dev from chandroid and we tried everything and he said as he looked over the crash report that there was nothing wrong with the app.
On the stock build of OS, he said it was an issue being caused by splashtop stuff. Is there anyway to rip every program out by the core needed to run and let me add them one at a time to test?
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Is the nook running honeycomb?
ryan stewart said:
Is the nook running honeycomb?
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I believe so.
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I believe so.
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Should be obvious. Does it look and act identical to the transformer?
Once thing I have found is that apps can run well on older versions of android but have issues with honeycomb. Like cut the rope, it crashes and is slower to load on the tablet but blazes on my evo. Asked the dev and he said its not yet developed for honeycomb.
My TFs internal memory is plenty fast.
Just root it without someones Rom. Stock would be your goal to see if a Rom affects it.
Watchdog from the market would help. It would show you what apps are running and how much they are using the Cpu
When I use Dolphin HD or Pad I can see when it's hanging up...not loading the page then..it dies lol freaking apps.
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Should be obvious. Does it look and act identical to the transformer?
Once thing I have found is that apps can run well on older versions of android but have issues with honeycomb. Like cut the rope, it crashes and is slower to load on the tablet but blazes on my evo. Asked the dev and he said its not yet developed for honeycomb.
My TFs internal memory is plenty fast.
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It wasn't obvious cause I wasn't at home. Yes it is running 3.0 it's a stable honeycomb build but I never use the nook much if at all.
DilloDroid said:
Just root it without someones Rom. Stock would be your goal to see if a Rom affects it.
Watchdog from the market would help. It would show you what apps are running and how much they are using the Cpu
When I use Dolphin HD or Pad I can see when it's hanging up...not loading the page then..it dies lol freaking apps.
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I will try that, honestly I just want a way to see what's going on with it. I am not sure if it's using all the memory or what with all the images it loads. Since my problems always come from mass images loading.
Possibly just eating up your RAM then - the SSD shouldn't be (that) active if it's image loading and not saving.
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Possibly just eating up your RAM then - the SSD shouldn't be (that) active if it's image loading and not saving.
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Well like with just pictures, it's a big display of thumbnails for viewing your images. I know it can cashe the data to make it faster but that just seems to make it slower, as for chandroid the longer I use it the slower it gets. So maybe it's not purging old data?
So do you guys use it and what does it exactly do? And also what does 3g turbocharger and kick ass kernel tweak do?
Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps. Its basically just tweaking the internal task killer to be slightly more aggressive. It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
The 3g tweaks, I think adjust or add some settings to the build.prop which supposedly make it faster although I haven't noticed much difference with that and the kernel tweaks I'm not too sure where the changes are made but again I don't see a great change from it. Definitely recommend v6 supercharger though.
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Basically everytime the memory drops below the thresholds set by v6, the system will start killing of apps running in the background which frees up memory that you most probably aren't using, Im currently on the aggressive settings so everytime my memory drops below 150mb the system starts killing apps.
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Great. Let's take 150MiB of RAM and then don't do anything useful with it. Processes aren't supposed to be killed unless you actually run out of memory.
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It also locks the launcher so the system cannot kill it if the memory drops too low.
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That seems innocent, but it won't help you if the launcher has a memory leak. If the launcher kept getting killed, it was telling you that your low memory thresholds are too high. Under normal circumstances, the launcher won't get killed. But if it grows too much, it'll get killed and the OS won't crash.
When you force close an application through the application manager, it shows you a warning. There's a reason for that (exactly what it says). And since Android 2.2, the framework can take care of itself just fine. No need for any 3rd party task killers.
Lol..... Thought you'd have something to say on it, actually mate the way my phone is usually setup there is nothing running in the background to kill anyway, thanks to autostarts I only have apps running that I need and make sure that I close things properly after use, so it really doesn't matter which settings I use whether they be low such as 30mb before it starts killing the first lot of empty apps or high such as 150mb as my setup rarely drops below because there is only the bare minimum running in the first place.
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Allright, it's not that RAM would slowly wear and tear by using it but at least you're not buying that it's better for performance. And I just wonder how these apps are made, as a thought experiment to figure out the mindset of whoever wrote this task killer.
...So let's make an app which looks real cool and doesn't do anything useful in particular! Wait, no one would download that! Hmm... Oh, I know! Let's call it "V6 Supercharger"! Yeah, that sounds awesome! Now people will download it for sure! It's the coolest thing since sliced bread!
It's the same with those programs like "Registry Booster". How did that happen? Someone must've woke up one day, turned on his PC, started poking in the registry, saw lots of keys which aren't really strictly necessary but are there anyway and thought like "Hmm, what if I made a program which removes all these unneeded keys? MS-Windows would be ZOMG faster!!111eleventyone". Then made it look real slick with a custom skin and a speedometer showing progress and say at the end that the registry has been "boosted". And since this guy is such a nice fellow, he threw in some extra free toolbars into the mix as well. Users always appreciate having more toolbars to click on and agreements to ignore.
Ok, I'll stop ranting now. Enjoy your week
Try explaining that to the dev who created it here. Honestly, it would be better, because, I am pretty sure most members here are not as technically inclined as you.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
You're just setting him up so I can tear him apart... aren't you?
The poor bastard doesn't even know what it is... he thinks it's a task killer app... heh
No, I would like him to discuss all the technical aspects with you. Because, clearly, he's wasting his effort as a developer here educating non-technical people like me, and the majority here on the Wildfire Forums.
And before you accuse me of trying to set people up, I can assure you I have nothing against you / your script or anything. Rather, I have used your script, and came away impressed with it.
I know you you weren't doing anything like that... I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
Like I say, what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram?
Besides, I doubt very much he has any technical skills at all... like I said before, he doesn't even know what it is so he's not very techinical
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what does it exactly do?
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It makes you feel good.
And I definitely noticed a 0.00001ms speed difference when opening apps.
Another liar
zeppelinrox said:
Another liar
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Yeah lol. Most people in this forum are wannabe developers who know **** about developing but they like to act like they do. Apart from few people who actually know stuff and the others like me who acknowledge the fact that we don't know anything
Fact is, those who know they don't know learn more than those that think they know it all
Less than a year ago, I knew 0 about android.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
And I'm still figuring it out.
For example, I set my 256mb device to have 25mb free with the number I use in slot 3.
So whatever memory tool I use will show I have 25 or 30mb free... great - that's what I want
But when I was doing up the recent update and enhanced the Fast Engine Flush, I wanted to show before and after using the "free" command.
To my surprise, system tuner shows that I have 30mb free while the free command shows I have only 5mb free!
So what's that mean? Why that difference of 25mb?
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache...
BOOYA!
Really have trouble using your scripts and I think after enabling 3gturbotweak thing my 2g data isn't working haven't tried 3g.
I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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I can't recall it affecting 2g... so I assume 2g used to work (I don't get 2g - it's unavailable)
But if you unturbocharge, the 2g/3g goes back to normal, no?
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Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.
what the hell good is phone if you can't make a call because of some crap hogging the ram
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If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
I'm always putting down these clowns that think that suffocating the phone is good... idiots lol
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I just wanted to quote that.
And when I started the supercharger script, I knew nothing about linux scripting.
Just started off with a few commands and everytime I wanted to try something new or add something... I googled it up.
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That's exactly the impression I had. Now take it from someone who has run Linux both embedded and on his desktop for the past 12 years. Your app doesn't improve anything, and I'd be glad to be proven wrong because you would've actually made a discovery we can use to improve Android and Linux with. From your post I understand it you change vm kernel parameters such that the oom killer is invoked sooner. This is actually detrimental to the stability of the OS, the oom killer is only meant to be invoked as a _last_resort_. The Android framework has its own means to free up memory, including calling onLowMemory in any application and doing a gc run. This does not cause instability and is completely transparent to the user. I've only ever had to manually kill applications in a broken state and others for debugging purposes, which is why the Force Close button exists.
It means that all that "free ram" is actually being used for cache.
And it's giving me speed
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If the output looks anything like this:
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total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3456 3325 131 0 10 93
-/+ buffers/cache: 3221 235
Then you've just never bothered to look. You can clearly see in the second line it makes a calculation for you which is exactly what it says in the leftmost column. And of course completely disregard the fact that cached pages are invalidated on a write (marked dirty) and reads from an mtd are really fast already anyway.
So to those that think it's great to have ram clogged with apps when the system is starving for space to use for cache
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This is not how it works! For starters, ram cannot be "clogged". A drain pipe can be clogged but ram is made of digital circuitry, not plumbing. And second, there is no resource starvation in the page cache. It's just an old optimisation to keep data pages in memory for longer to serve repeated reads and give them back whenever they're needed for something else. More apps in ram can actually mean less reads are necessary because the data is already there (especially if you tend to switch between recent apps). Since Android 3.0, application developers are encouraged to use Loaders which cause filesystem I/O to be performed on a background thread. And applications which actually use the available ram always trump applications designed to use as little ram possible in performance. Between a collection of loaded objects and a cached filesystem, the collection always wins. You have 256 to 512 MiB of RAM in a typical Android device. The average application is 18 to 30 MiB. It can manage. Especially when you consider the fact that the UI only shows 1 task at a time and pressing the back button usually destroys the activity you were in. The gc takes care of its remains.
Now here's something which will actually improve write speeds on /data: Open up settings, applications, manage applications. Sort by size. Remove the biggest apps you don't need and move the rest to SD if you can (you can use "pm setInstallLocation 2" as root to move non-froyo-aware apps to SD). I've been using the market a lot lately so I just removed aDosBox, Albert Heijn, PocketCloud, Pulse and moved Dolphin Browser to SD which meant 47.25MiB free on /data. On a 175MiB partition, 30% of it is about 52MiB so I'd try to keep the available space around 50MiB. If your phone is low on storage, doing this will perceivably improve performance.
dud3me said:
Well I had to format system data and cache and wiped everything and now it's working again so I'm not completely sure if it was the turbocharge thing.
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Same thing happened to me, but every time i turned 3g on the phone rebooted and i got stuck in a bootloop, i had to use the ruu update to restore phone.
I would stay away from the network tweaks. It doesnt improve speed anyway.
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The idea that you can magically "supercharge" your OS by freeing up memory is fundamentally flawed.If this is really a problem on your phone, you're doing it wrong. I haven't done anything to free up ram and the amount of ram available on my wildfire is currently 108,48MiB. I start 10 random apps, Angry Birds, and Angry Birds Rio. 40,68MiB still free. I start Angry Birds Seasons and end up with 49,66MiB free and 9 apps died, including the first angry birds. Running out of ram is in general not a failure mode of Android and at no point was I unable to place a call. I close the 2 remaining open instances of Angry Birds the normal back-button way, 147,68MiB free.
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All that you said is very informative.
What are your minfrees?
Set them to something like 6, 12, 16, 18, 26, 30.
Run a bunch of apps...
See how great it runs then
Fact of the matter is, user's with 1GB ram devices notice a real improvement.
Not placebo.
Pressing the home or back button has an instant effect without hesitation - which indeed happens on stock roms.
Yes in theory I'm sure it all makes sense and I apologize for using layman's terms such as "clogging".
An android phone is not a Linux PC so I believe it's not a great idea to configure it like it is a Linux PC.
They have difference purposes.
Anyway, in theory, a bumble bee can't fly - but it does.
May i ask why is the ram used always 500-600 / 776 even after closing all programs? Is this normal?
Yes, it is normal, but with touch of some devs we could get more
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Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update
The only problem of too much used ram is that the garbage collection on the the Tab7.7 is quite bad and needs to be tweaked once you have 50mb free ram it starts to significantly slow down till the low memory killer decides to kick in.
elsonhwx said:
make sense but somehow looking at that amount of ram use doesn't seem to justify the speed i feel
Well, maybe just get use to it and hope it gets better after some nice update
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I not sure how many times this needs to be repeated, but the lag is due to honeycomb and touchwiz, and likely won't change till ICS arrives.
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Honestly, the fact that a lot of RAM is being used is a good thing. Think about it. If you have loads of free unused RAM, then that's just really high speed memory that isn't being used to make your system and apps run and load faster.
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Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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Except that most of it is filled with bloatware that most of us won't even use.
I hate how Android decides for me what it will load. I have no control of it and that is annoying. I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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A windows 8 tablet might give you just that and I would assume the modding community for it will be bigger.
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I wish it was more like a PC where you can uninstall the crap you don't want and be shut of it for good.
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You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you
might as well try installing autostarts app so you will have control on the app that will run on certain event, such as during boot up, when wifi is turned on etc. saves ram and loading times (during boot up not the app themselves)
I just uninstalled a bunch of stuff, about 61 APK's this includes apps that I will never use and widgets that I dont use that auto starts.
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which apps can be freeze ?
Thank you
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That is a very good question. Whats apps could safely be frozen that wont interfeer with the operation of the tab. Everytime i clear ram using the stock task manager it closes over 20 apps, i would like to know what they are and if i really need them.
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Mine is always used maxed at 650mb.. If I clear them, it will go down to 420.. sometime even 380..
650MB sounds about right as we only have 766MB of usable mem, andriod tends to keep between 75-95mb of free ram for god knows what.
i just get tired of stupid TouchWiz to kill my browser or Reader each time i go to Home launcher and open something else
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You can... root it (takes around 2 minutes) and use Titanium Backup to freeze or even uninstall system apps.
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I tried that on my phone and it ended up freezing the GUI somehow (even though I only froze bloat) so I could no longer use the phone at all. I had to reflash the FW through odin and set up all over again. What a pain. I am a bit aprehensive to freeze anything now.
which system apps that we suppose to freez and it's save??do you have any suggestion??
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i am having some issues with the ram - it gets to a point where the device becomes unresponsive using around 750 mb of ram - not sure exactly why and i dont always have alot of apps open - i am forced to hold the power button down and restart - i am rooted running the magnolia tab 1.1 beta - i dont remember if this was happening before i rooted / running this rom - i am not running any widgets at all now and it is still happening - anyone else having this issue ?
I suspect the missing ram may have been stolen by the Mali graphics adapter. I'm not certain but since this is a SOC there isn't any place to put ram so it just nicks done system ram. It seems like a lot to go missing but texture can be pretty large these days.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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That's normal, and infact good.
When you close an application, it leaves a bit of footprint in the RAM. So when you open it the next time, it opens faster. Incase the RAM starts running out, android removes the earlier apps from it.
Stop blaming Sammy for just about everything.
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I've been using this app for the past few weeks:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cleanmaster.mguard
and it seems like every other day or so, it warns me that my RAM use is over 90%?
Maybe the reason why Samusng put 3gb of RAM on this phone is because the software is so bloated?
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i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
jaythenut said:
i have the same app and ive been on cm11 for weeks never had to use it not like when i was on tw sometimes 2/3 times aday
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Is it safe to use these app killer things or should we just let Android take care of it automatically? I thought I read somewhere that these things are bad and can make corruption?
Over 90%? I rarely go past 50%... Perks of running CM11
I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I rarely go past 50 and I use a TW based ROM..
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I'm using stock TW on Tmo and I go over 90% at least every other day if not more
Might wanna check what apps you are using and have installed. Uninstall apps you don't use etc.
If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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If you have root you can freeze apps you never use and I disagree it doesn't affect the system performance. On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory. It was main reason I rooted my phone, to freeze all the garbage and bloat on my phone. You can also delete some of the stuff, but it gets little complicated if you delete wrong app and then other things don't work no more. I don't know if they load all programs into memory because of "just in time" compiler, another idiotic idea, why compile program once, when we can compile and waste time, every time we start the program. When new, my phone would use about 70% of memory right from the boot and would go to 90% over time, now I freeze just the most obvious stuff and start at 40% memory load. There is a spreadsheet listing all apps, what they do if they can be safely removed, it could help you get better control of your phone.
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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On a boot up just about every application loads into memory and that's plain stupid, since most of those apps I never ever use. I was actually shocked when I looked at application manager and everything was loaded into memory.
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^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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I was on 4.3 MJ1 rooted and every day I would go up to 90% as it would notify me on the bar to clean.
Now I'm on 4.4 NA6 rooted and I don't get the popup anymore, the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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the 340mb RAM bump is quite useful.
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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Which spreadsheet do you mean? Is it an accurate spreadsheet as to what we can freeze? Oh, do you need root to freeze?
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here is the spreadsheet listing apps, what they do and if they're safe to remove or freeze, it is not complete but good starting point. Just be careful, don't touch stuff you're not sure about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470862
Since Google, just like Crapple thinks all their users are idiots and should be saved from themselves, yeah you need to root to just do anything on your phone. You can go to Application manager and force close programs you don't use without root but:
1. you need to do it every time phone starts one by one
2. some programs will restart by themselves anyway
When you freeze, you do it once and that's it. ROM Toolbox has pretty much all you need.
As far as 4.4 goes, yep you may get some RAM back but pretty much loose access to your SD card, if you have one, something like going from shower into the rain
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What does that mean? KK uses 340mb less RAM?
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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You get more RAM on KK. 340mb more.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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MicroSD works on mine. Maybe its because of different variants. But I run custom ROM X-Note 8.0, and most of my media is in MicroSD.
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But KitKat disables the micro SD card?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2613816
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KK introduces new permission for SD card usage that breaks writing to SD for most 3rd party apps, you can fix it if you're rooted or run custom ROM, like above poster, but I don't think there is a way to root KK without tripping Knox flag and so you may be loosing your warranty.
I'm rooted on 4.3 and my flag is x0, so for me this is the way it will have to stay.
denski101 said:
^ This
I've just recently installed boot manager(requires root + xposed framework) to combat this very problem. It doesn't stop system apps from starting just user downloaded ones. TBH I haven't noticed any effect on the battery or the speed of the phone. Just when I restart, the phone has more free memory.
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Just to add to this.
Here's another app I've been using to clear ram.
Advanced Task Cleaner Pro (doesn't require root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bright.taskcleaner
The advantage this app has over the regular way of clearing ram is that you can create an auto-kill list, which will stop apps from reloading back into the memory after being killed. It will show system as well as user apps and processes currently running.
Digging through the settings there's also a setting to clear ram on system startup(non-root alt to boot manager)
I myself have never got the "full or almost full" memory notification, so I quess I've never maxed out the ram. I think most of these memory/app killing apps(including the one above) are aimed at low and middle tier mobiles which don't have sufficient memory to cope with multitasking and background processes, without stuttering and slowing to a halt.
Since my battery life is good, and I'm more than happy with the phone's speed, I haven't got a real need to clear the memory all the time. I have a habbit of closing apps after using them, although leaving apps in the background and/or not clearing memory after closing will result in faster opening times. There are quite a few claims that these ram killer apps save massive amounts of battery and what not, from my end I don't see this, although its important to check for yourself and come to you own conclusions.
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