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As you guys all know Darkstone made a build that runs off the phones ram which i find is a fast build but Cotulla has released his nand desire build. So..which one is faster? any advantages/disadvantages between the two?
For me (when i do not look at quadrant score) the NAND is much smoother.
Ok the quadrant score is lower,but that is because of i/o writes.
But graphical is is faster,i love it
Try it yourself first?? So you have your own feedback ready to share..
By the way I'm gonna try now both of them for few days each.. let you know then.
Happy new year dude
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I actually already tried them both. Nand needs a little more playing around with but it seems smoother. Or maybe its all in our head that nand is smoother since we have been waiting for it so long
I have the ram version its very fast it satisfies me but I wanna know about the ROM release, please share ur Xperience
Both Dark Stone and Cotulla and his team deserve to be commended for their efforts,nice one folks
I have yet to try the NAND ROM but i have Dark Stones Froyo SUPERAM Build on my phone and have had little or no trouble at all and the most important thing is - it is blazing fast,much much faster than any other build ive tried so i would be inclined to stick with the build that is faster,ill keep an eye on Cotullas thread and may try it but for me the speedness of SUPERAM is the winner but everyones different.
I thought most of the task killer are trying to release RAM . and says it saves battery also. now you are going load your going to the RAM. any expert can explain this ?
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I have the ram version its very fast it satisfies me but I wanna know about the ROM release, please share ur Xperience
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try it, you wont lose anything. I still prefer mdj's gingerbread ram build but not because its faster but because of the builds gui and mods he has done to the build but if he were to transfer that into a nand build i would be in there
miguel4u2 said:
As you guys all know Darkstone made a build that runs off the phones ram which i find is a fast build but Cotulla has released his nand desire build. So..which one is faster? any advantages/disadvantages between the two?
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Well, from what I've seen so far smoothness-wise NAND Desire stock is good.
However, market downloading speed for me with Darkstone's build is over 1mb/sec, with Cotulla's build it's more like 250kb/sec. That's still reasonable but not amazing.
Additionally, whilst reinstalling my programs which I've backed up with ASTRO, it's quite clear to me that darkstone's RAM build was faster in installing applications.
ON THE OTHER HAND,
the NAND build wakes up instantly, as in INSTANTLY, when you press a button, even when it's sluggish due to being in the middle of loads of work.
So far, this is all I've noticed though I'm sure I will notice more as time goes on.
Does NAND flash do anything for battery life?
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My main focus is power consumption, my HD2 can't handle more than 6 hours of heavy use. I receive/make calls a lot, and I constantly use the messaging system... I have to be plugged in all the time, that sucks. Is NAND better battery wise?
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U can't modify ram builds extensively cause they are read only. U can mod NAND. In performance its seems to be on different. Except slower booting
Don't think we will know about battery for a week. We will see
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as stated, only really thing i liked about ram was the quick boot but being the hardcore user i am i was constantly getting the device full error and needing to reboot due to max ram usage. Nand all the way
I really love the NAND and the Ram versions (thanks devs)
They are both smooth and working fast, but the problem I have is the amount of space for the apps.
The RAM version would let me install all my apps into the SD card as the DATA file is found in the SD card. Yet with NAND I can only install a handful of apps which in my opinion is the biggest disadvantage other than that I’m happy with the NAND version and still testing
to these who are running nand or ram builds
The main Question is the batterylife. Can anyone say somethig about this? How is it on RAM and how on NAND builds? That is the 1st fakt i want to look at.
And how about the Market download speed? On SD builds it's very slow, any changes?
At RAM builds there are still things like GPS not working, so they are nothing for me, at NAND builds i don't read anything that doesn't work.
I have two HD2's
First HD2, DarkStone SuperRAM 1.5 with patches from that thread, 5mA with correct configuration. Lot's of free RAM. After 10 hours usage with auto sync on, mobile data off lost about 10% of battery.
Second HD2, LEO "Stock" NAND Android, bunch of HTC apps/services running in the background, started with 3 to 5mA in standby right now. It fluctuated to 60mA, but came back to 4mA now, will have to check how it does over normal usage for couple of days.
NAND UI is faster than RAM.
Bottom line, based on your configuration mA in standby will vary, I feel HTC is too much of bloatware and designed for non-geek demographic.
Update: Unless you really love all HTC Sense, HTC background apps, widgets and services, I would suggest not to install stock NAND ROM.
i tried already 2 nand roms...all i can say that nand rom is fast indeed..!tried stock desire and desire HD nands rom for hd2..
So...nand is very stable and responsive..no lags at all!all works great..!the only bad thing is that your phone memory is low!!with desire stock phone memory is 80mb and desire hd nand is 156 mb..!compared to ram version u can extend your data.img so u can have more phone memory,ram is much faster than nand i think..hastarin and even darkstone stated it..!i think cotulla also i agreed..!i made benchmark scores with nand and was 1400 on dhd and 1200 on stock desire while ram desire stock gave 1700+..neocore on nand is 30.7 fps while on ram is 31.6fps !i tried games on nand such as asphalt avatar nova and lags while on ram dont!overall nand is great for those who want to get rid of winmo!battery is a bit much better on nand
thats all from..i suggest people try nand..its great!it is very easy to install and if you are not like it...it is very easy also to boot back to stock or custom winmo roms!
thanks cottula for all this and the devs for making all this possible ..have a happy new year
do nand builds finally get rid of the screen wakeup lag problems? running android off sd on my hd2, and sometimes the screen doesn't wakeup when i press buttons.
windroidHD said:
I have two HD2's
First HD2, DarkStone SuperRAM 1.5 with patches from that thread, 5mA with correct configuration. Lot's of free RAM. After 10 hours usage with auto sync on, mobile data off lost about 10% of battery.
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wait. 10 hours of usage and 90% battery remains. doesn't feel right.
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wait. 10 hours of usage and 90% battery remains. doesn't feel right.
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10 hours of usage with auto sync on. not necessarily 10 hours display on.
I think I have to find some other ROM for NAND, DFT LEO Stock NAND Android is running too many junk HTC app's and services in the background.
Hi guys,
While I am respecting and thanking all devs for their hard work and time , i would like to share this thread with the guys who are not happy with nand and went back to window rom with sd card based android built. and the reasons for that
I used NANDroid for the last couple of days and felt missing something. From NAND i did not get big advantages as expected.
reasons are (please do not get offended this is my personal experiance)
1.nandroid internal memory is not enough to save lot of applications
2.Even after Data.img is created in some builts using app2sd it is too laggy, i feel the lag in SD built is better than NANDroid
3.what is the point of using android alone as i could buy a cheap wildfire for £100 brand new handset.
4.some applications can not be ussed in ANDROID like tom tom and Garmin( i dearly miss TOMTOM as you all know NO.1 SATNAV in Europe
5.whatever we do the HD2 hardware is not fully support to NANDROID like native android as this phone is designed for windows
6.some SD builts like mdeejays desire HD 4.6 and cedesmiths desire HD and darkstones superRAM are better equiped than NANDROID.
7.if I use SD build android it will be 2 in 1 and i can get both experiances.
those are the reasons i went back to SD card based built which is Mdeejay desire HD 4.6.(cheers mdeejay)
rasih5503 said:
Hi guys,
While I am respecting and thanking all devs for their hard work and time , i would like to share this thread with the guys who are not happy with nand and went back to window rom with sd card based android built. and the reasons for that
I used NANDroid for the last couple of days and felt missing something. From NAND i did not get big advantages as expected.
reasons are (please do not get offended this is my personal experiance)
1.nandroid internal memory is not enough to save lot of applications
2.Even after Data.img is created in some builts using app2sd it is too laggy, i feel the lag in SD built is better than NANDroid
3.what is the point of using android alone as i could buy a cheap wildfire for £100 brand new handset.
4.some applications can not be ussed in ANDROID like tom tom and Garmin( i dearly miss TOMTOM as you all know NO.1 SATNAV in Europe
5.whatever we do the HD2 hardware is not fully support to NANDROID like native android as this phone is designed for windows
6.some SD builts like mdeejays desire HD 4.6 and cedesmiths desire HD and darkstones superRAM are better equiped than NANDROID.
7.if I use SD build android it will be 2 in 1 and i can get both experiances.
those are the reasons i went back to SD card based built which is Mdeejay desire HD 4.6.(cheers mdeejay)
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i dont know what you did but for me you are wrong! flashed gauners build i am more than happy! fast stable fast market downloads! everything that could somebody want from an android build.. and i use igo on that build wich also works like a charm!
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i dont know what you did but for me you are wrong! flashed gauners build i am more than happy! fast stable fast market downloads! everything that could somebody want from an android build.. and i use igo on that build wich also works like a charm!
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hi friend
I was using that before but when you install more than 10 apps from market or back up you data you will get warning 'low memory'.
Got to disagree with you OP. I think NAND is the best thing to happen to the HD2 since android was first ported. Im using HD2one build and it freakin awesome. The battery life is also spectacular, especially in standby. Can now run a full working day (9 hrs) and still come home with 60%+ battery life, with SD i was lucky to come home with 30%. Just my 2 pennies .
Ricey
I don't have the ability to try out the NAND ROMs (broken microUSB), but I am still thrilled that it can be done by others, if only for the renewed dev interest in the HD2, and more options for people is always better. But even if I could flash an Android ROM, I think at least for now I'd stick with WinMo and SD builds (more options is better). But surely with a little time, the NAND ROMs will surpass the SD builds in terms of stability, usability, and performance overall. Once we can flash Clockwork Recovery, and use ext2 a2sd, NAND will beat SD hands down. But even with that, having WM plus several Android builds and Ubuntu on the SD is a very attractive option. For me, multi-functionality will be preferred to stability and battery life. But to each his own, more options is better. I just hope the SD builds don't fall by the wayside, they still have alot of use left in them, and for those like me, theyre the only option.
~HD2 Android~
I will most likely go back to my tried & true SD builds because you can't update these ROMs with new kernels or framework of desired launchers. And regardless of what anyone says about changing kernels, I can't do it because I have no clue what ADB is and nobody explains it.
My SD versions work just as good as these ROMs and boot up in 1/3rd the time. I kid you not, it takes on average about 4 to 5 minutes to boot the Gauner or cmylxgo ROMs. And there is no stock m-deejay DesireHD ROM.
I can see the problems of the original poster as I'm in the same situation. The gauner build is nice and all, uses little battery and is snappy enough, it is lacking some important features (like led notifications). The speed difference is not as massive between nand and a fast sd build. Gauners build is just a bit snappier than mdjs Froyo HD 4.6, but the difference is hardly worth getting rid of the advantages of an sd build in conjunction w/ Winmo.
If m-deejay did a nice NAND build of his 4.6 I'd flash it right away, but it's nowhere in sight. First reason would be a fast and snappy, stable ROM.
Soon I'll go to a roaming country that I've got Tom Tom maps for, and I don't have igo. So I'll likely flash Winmo back and get back to MDJs HD 4.6 sd build.
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Try the nand+SD raffdroid.
Lol. Pure troll-fodder!
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A week ago I thought the same, using an EU HD2, you get half the internal memory of the US phones, tried a couple of recovery roms now using Jaws MUIU recovery and all I can say is WOW...a little confusing at first setting up your sd card partitioning and the setting up the recovery bit, but once done everything runs fast, slick and reliably.
I really did want to stay with windows mobile as I thought I didn't need android, but now I have android running so well I don't miss windows anymore, best of luck with your hd2 the best device
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I'm back to SD purely because of the dual operating system, I find that making a call in poor signal areas wm is much better prob because it was designed for the phone.
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Try the nand+SD raffdroid.
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Gotta second this!
This NandRom absolutely ROCKS!!!! Do yourself a favour and try it!!
Concerning TomTom: I do agree.. TomTom is by far the coolest Navprogramme, but Navigon for Android is actually quite good too..
Wtf lol....
NAND with data.img is much faster as a sd build,logical also:
You can see it as a pc with 2 harddrives in it,1 for the os,1 for writing data on it,so disc 1 keeps his speed (nand is this case)
I have zero lag using this method with the nand build that i use,and i am getting easy 2100 quadrant score on 998mhz ghehe.
No way that sd android is faster
how's games performance on hd2 android as compared to desire? is it the same or more lag? just saw a vid of rafdroid hd 3 on hd2 and seems to have some lag while playing asphalt 5 hd
watched more vids here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68BYOr6dSAs
yup seems it's lagging... is it normal?? or it depends on the android rom u r using.. are there lags on sd android roms?
yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom
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yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom
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I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.
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I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.
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thx for the replies. Are there overclocked roms on hd2 to boost performance?
There are overclocked roms that boost your cpu speed up to 1.5ghz. No need tho. I have mine running at 900mhz and save a little battery. All my games run smooth. I got a stock desire hd rom on nand. My co-worker has the normal desire and his phone lags and hangs constantly. His is 100% stock from o2 germany.
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Oh and if you want an easy way to keep an eye on your specs and how your phone is running, there's a free app called Elixir. It's simple monitoring software, but it shows you EVERYTHING.
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thx for ur replies.. lol it's becoming harder to decide between desire and hd2 lol
If you want to run android then skip the desire and get a desire hd. If you want to dual boot android and windows then go with the hd2. If you just want android without dual boot then it's better to buy a native android system.
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Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
And I can confirm that both Windows Phone 7 and my SD Android ROM run flawlessly, before I was using a class 6 Samsung which I thought would be perfect for the job, but I was getting slow down and restarts in WP7 and the odd game skip in Android.
Now I Don't get a single skip whilst playing GT racing HD or PES2011 on Android and WP7 runs so smooth and fast, In my opinion there is no other choice on the market to be able to run Android and WP7 so well if at all...HD2 what else is there
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Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
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i got that one, i payed 30€ for it . First i thought 8 GB is enough but my SD Card is almost full. I have a question, which builds are the best for gaming? What about the RAM Builds, are they better for gaming?
I've tried a number of sense 3 roms, and while I'm liking what I see and for the most part the roms are useable, it seems that there are a number of areas where there are significant lags where the phone seems to freeze. this usually happens when switching apps, screens etc. and it happens on every sense 3 rom I've tried to date.
through some investigation, it seems sense 3 is native to dual core processors, (correct me if I'm wrong) which would indicate to me that the HD2's hardware specs are too low to run sense 3 properly (sort of like running win7 on a P3) it can be done, but is it worth it?
I know that the chefs have got it further than say POC, but will it get much better than it already is? (actual useability in terms of sense 2.1 useability that is)
sorry if i don't make much sense ( no pun intended) but i am not quite sure if i got the idea across
oh my hd2 is EU version (T9193)
i dont see those lags, im using dungs DHD sense 3 rom and its fast, there might be a few lags but i put that down to my class2 sd card
tried a sense 3.5 rom ? the bliss rom is from a lower spec handset than the hd2
I'm also on Dungs DHD 3 sense rom, I also found it laggy, but then I tried Supercharger script, and it's way better.
I use setting 7 and 17 in the latest beta. It reallymakes a difference.
#EDIT
I changed my supercharger settings to the 512Mb multitask option (I can't remember the number) and that seems to be smoother.
But that said, I'm still looking for another ROM, theres just to much lag.
Or maybe I should just buy a DHD
I've been using Dungphp's Desire HD sense 3.0 port also, and I haven't had any glitches or laggyness, it runs really well. I'm using an American HD2 so running it all from NAND might have some difference from having to have an ext4 also, I dunno though.
I've test driven about 50 ROMs on my HD2, from Mango to Android on NAND and SD, almost even flashed Mint but was turned off by no sound and will wait until dev is a little further along before trying that out. I'm on the newest DesireHD from CoreDroid and I'm liking it so far. My favorite ROM of all has been HardDroid2, but it had one fatal kiss of death that made me switch, which was no user dictionary/predictive text on the keyboard and no ability to install and deploy a different one from Market (FC anytime you try anything keyboard-setting related). I gave up on Mango altogether, at least until there's more apps and hotspot becomes a little easier. Dual boot with Android on NAND and Mango on SD would probably be ideal in my world, although that probably sounds bizarre given the HD2 is essentially a Windows phone to start.
Curious about the experience of others...preferred methods (SD or NAND), preferred chefs, best overall ROMs, best ROM for specific purposes? Have at...I know there's a ton of great knowledge and experience lurking around XDA, but even the purely end-users among us should have some constructive thoughts on to these questions...so have at!
Thanks,
smb282
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I've test driven about 50 ROMs on my HD2, from Mango to Android on NAND and SD, almost even flashed Mint but was turned off by no sound and will wait until dev is a little further along before trying that out. I'm on the newest DesireHD from CoreDroid and I'm liking it so far. My favorite ROM of all has been HardDroid2, but it had one fatal kiss of death that made me switch, which was no user dictionary/predictive text on the keyboard and no ability to install and deploy a different one from Market (FC anytime you try anything keyboard-setting related). I gave up on Mango altogether, at least until there's more apps and hotspot becomes a little easier. Dual boot with Android on NAND and Mango on SD would probably be ideal in my world, although that probably sounds bizarre given the HD2 is essentially a Windows phone to start.
Curious about the experience of others...preferred methods (SD or NAND), preferred chefs, best overall ROMs, best ROM for specific purposes? Have at...I know there's a ton of great knowledge and experience lurking around XDA, but even the purely end-users among us should have some constructive thoughts on to these questions...so have at!
Thanks,
smb282
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NAND is best for me and the latest energy rom will take some beating
if you want to use WP also, you need to use SD version but if you a android fan, just install nand version thats easy - or ?
i prefer Hyperdroid 3.0.1 its clean, fast and got low battery usage
(Gingerbread 2.3.5 - no sense (using ADW Launcher))
hi
only NAND
NAND is the way to go. DarkStone's SuperRam works great off SD since it loads in RAM and is very fast, but loading in ram seemed to create a few minor functionality problems with gaining root access.
I use Hyperdroid GBX: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=918899
hear Hyperdroid CM7 is just as good too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769026
Hyperdroid has decent battery life, amazing speed, great functionality, etc. I mean, I've only used like 4 different NAND roms so like everyone says, test some and find your personal favorite, but you got my recommendations above.
For Me it's
Dorimanx-ROM-HIGH-END ***** NO-HOME-REFRESH+SWAP+JIT+SKIN+TWEAKS+CRON
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166948
I've kept the NAND ROM in my sig since it was released, didn't update to newer version because the newer versions are too 'branded' for me in the settings menu and a few other places. I couldn't ask for a better NAND ROM than the one I have now, hundreds of apps, 5 homescreens, a bunch of widgets, and it still runs smooth as butter.
I usually switch between a few different SD builds, whatever's the hot new thing.
Dorimanx-Rom-High-End
Fastest around, overall great Nand rom.
Check my sig. Greatest for battery life
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O have tried many roms prefer no sense roms and sticked with cm6 android 2.2 lest bugy for me them cm7 or 2.3 gignger
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The newest version of Hyperdroid, the fastest and the most stable I've tested. Great battery usage. NAND of course. Magldr ver.
I have tried SD roms in the beginning, finally have settled for nand.
I'm using runnymede by mwakious.
it's working fine for me
In my opinion the best is HyperDroid, because it's a from source build, meaning it's 100% optimized for the HD2, making it the fastest and most stable rom for the device, but i hate the interface with passion.
My favorite Rom? i'm yet to find one that appeals to me as a full, i'm still looking for "THAT" perfect rom that is balanced concerning battery drain and performance with good aesthetics and UI. If only HTC released the source code for Sense UI so we can have Sense over any ROM, a CyanogenMod (Hyperdroid to be exact) + Sense UI Build would be my Dream and favorite ROM, as i don't like using LPSense, it just feels bland in comparison.
That would be the greatest
Hyperdroid with Sense UI
Would it be possible to cook a Rom with both if the source code if they release it?
Can we expect it in future or is it toooooooo far away?
I predict that the day the Sense UI source code is opened, android would be an abandonware OS, HTC is cool like that.
No ACA love eh? Suppose we need more glitter... haha
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Decided to check out several Sense 3.0 and 3.5 ROMs......went back to Miui....Sense is buggy and slow....wasted almost half a day I should get a life
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Decided to check out several Sense 3.0 and 3.5 ROMs......went back to Miui....Sense is buggy and slow....wasted almost half a day I should get a life
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I stay with Sense 2.0 and 2.1 roms, i don't know, despite of how awesomely fast other roms are, sense roms feel more like..phones if you know what i mean, they feel more solid to me.
I have too used many different sd roms, and I have finally settled into using nand
but my favorite for sd was americanandroid
and my favorite for nand is hyperdroid gbx
By far the best ROM I have used NAND or SD is [OCT16] AmeriCanAndroid AOSP HD2 GB2.3.7 CM7 | bk2sdext [KERNEL:ACA823]