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The rush to NAND, what am I missing here?

Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
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Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.

I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.

Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).

abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone

zat0x said:
I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??

As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.

Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.

BLAST3RR said:
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.

I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.

berbecverde said:
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day

TheiPhoneKiller said:
You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.

Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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MartyLK said:
It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !

There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.

MartyLK said:
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.

[Q] NAND vs SD Builds

I have leo1024 and currently running running on a SD build. I was thinking about switching to NAND, but had few questions prior to switching.
Is the NAND build worth switching to? Is it faster? Does it consume less battery? What are the disadvantages to switching to the NAND build?
Also what is the best clean froyo NAND build?

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It could be a good move to compare two same builds (Nand and SD)
like :
Desire hd rom
NAND v :******************************************* SD v :
power consumption:..xxx*******************************power consumption:..xxx.
...
...
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*** mean "space"
and stick this if ready.
It could stop many questions about what is better.
Thanks.

I can only tell you my experience. One of my biggest frustrations was that if I locked my phone by pressing the red end button, and tried to turn the screen back on right away, I had to wait 20-30 seconds. That no longer happens. For battery, the lowest I ever saw was a 4ma standby, but usually closer to 6-8ma. I routinely see 2ma in standby, but probably averages 4ma...this is probably 25-50% better battery. It just seems more smooth also. Plus, with RMNET being as fast as PPP, there are no longer any data drops.
Again, this is my experience. Try it...if you don't like it, you can always go back to WM and SD card builds.
mm0

I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. trust me SD based built is best one. you have more choice(window and android) and that is the speciality of HD'2'(2- means 2 operating system)
battery wise nobody can't boast about nand because any latest phones bettery(including desire HD itselt) is very bad . Also android drinks battery if you are not maintained your running applications properly.
furthermore no complication and less harmful to device.so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??

No way I will ever go back to windows + sd...
Nand is better in more then one way, smooth all around (as mentioned never unlock delay), better battery usage, faster downloads and installs (and no freezes when doing a market install)
If you are wondering why you still have windows on your mobile because you only see your android booting up, go got nand
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rasih5503 said:
I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. (...)
so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
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Well, thats one opinion, ok.
Personally, I didn't try all kinds of recovery, didn't try app2sd, didn't try any ++ method stuff extra extra extra!!1!. Just didn't.
I just tried a few ROMs on NAND, and generally the user experience is so good I don't want to bother using SD or RAM builds.
The biggest plus of NAND is that it makes use of the device's hardware in the way it was supposed to be, without having the deal with Windows Mobile juckyness.
The battery life is dramatically different, because constant reading and writing from SD uses battery charge that isn't even monitored by currentwidgets. If you say 'any new phone has crap battery life' you probably only tested a rom with the 60mA after call bug. These eat battery charge just as fast as RAM builds do.
imagine what happens if you compare such a system to one that averages 4 mA
My father also has an HD2 and he is running a rom that still has the notification led bug thing going on. Still he gets 3 days battery life out of it!!!

NAND For The Win
NAND is the way to go.
I experienced lots of standby battery fluctuations on SD. After trying almost every SD build that made "battery saving" claims I honestly still couldn't reliably use any of them for day to day use. So I just stuck with Window Mobile.
After flashing to NAND I usually see 1-4mA standby. Even in poor signal spots!

Well seeing that you have that damned 1024 leo, you have the ideal device for android on NAND. Advantages for you:
You have a lot of free storage, prolly 500+ since you got TMOUS
Power consumption is low
Performance in sense builds, for me, has been better, especially with Desire HD builds.
Fast boot time
Disadvantages:
Not as much free storage as to what you can get from SD builds
MAGDLR and installing a NAND build, might pose some problems for you, if you don't read the forum...
If you like winmo then installing android onto NAND may be considered a disadvantage for you.

So I went ahead and tried out the NAND method and I kinda like it but I am confused about few things.
I have read throughout the NAND forum and people keep talking about AP2SD+ thingy. I am still kinda unsure about what it is, but I am guessing its to automatically install all apps onto the SD card instead of the device itself. Am I correct about this?
Also, is there a good clean froyo build? When I was using the SD card method, I used MDJ's Froyo HD 4.6, which didn't have a custom skin. I currently see that the only good NAND build by MDJ is the Froyo Revolution v.2.3. Is there a way to remove the custom theme and revert back to the default?
Also, I see here on the MAGLDR boot menu that there is an option of "Boot AD SD". I went to Services > BootSettings >> AD SD Dir and changed the folder to "Android" which is the location of build on my SD card. I manged to get it to boot, but it just get suck on the boot screen and doesn't load up into the system.

hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..

i like nand better then sd

Apps2sd that is used in the nand roms stores the bulk of an application on an ext partition on your SD card. This in effect gives you a ton of space for apps.
Nand builds for me work great. Battery life is better than even winmo was, and there aren't any glaring issues remaining. Its becoming very fine tuned in the nand forum. I can't speak for SD builds because I abandoned them a long time ago. You can always flash winmo back if you dont like it.
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as far as windows mobile is concerned its good with battery backup but if i choose between nand and sd i would have gone for nand as its really smooth and without any cons in some built and its going great with provide me better application and a lot to choose without any lags.so a liitle compromise in battery is ok for me though new nand built dont have the battery problem either.Except in few people complainig about battery issue that must be because of wrong installation or their luck

I kind of SD ....
I changed to SD from winmo recently.its smooth and no response problem yet.SD has the advantage that ,I can just go back to winmo on a reboot in case some thing goes wrong with green.I recommend SD at least for beginners.Once you are Ok with it > move to Nand if you want so ....

beat me to the question
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)

kidtk said:
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
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Use CWM, the advantage with CWM is that you can backup your NAND build, try other builds, even revert back to winmo if you want, then come back and restore you backed up android and its all back to how you had it, awesome
I have a LEO512 so I stick to Cyanogenmod and MIUI roms, I would like a really nice updated desire rom, but everyone seems to have moved on to desire HD and left the desire rom by cotulla behind, which is a shame because I have issues with some APN's with that build. I've never ran out of space and I don't use app2sd, but maybe I just don't use as many apps as some people.
I used to get sleep of death issues with all SD builds, now I dont get it with NAND, thats probably the best reason to move to NAND, instant wake up.

NAND offer way more functionality, a few appd I've played with wont install on SD android, angry birds is a perfect example, running NAND thus far has no limitations, MIUI has some very stable roms with alot of additional functionality that stock android doesnt

I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060

richiegopal said:
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
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very nice
thanks thanks

trex3300 said:
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
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You've made a mistake somewhere as it isn't possible to have an SD build via cLK. And 1-3 mA?! Wow I get a consistent 4 mA with Typhoon
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games performance on android htc hd2

how's games performance on hd2 android as compared to desire? is it the same or more lag? just saw a vid of rafdroid hd 3 on hd2 and seems to have some lag while playing asphalt 5 hd

watched more vids here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68BYOr6dSAs
yup seems it's lagging... is it normal?? or it depends on the android rom u r using.. are there lags on sd android roms?

yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom

Dende2k2 said:
yeah there is more lag if ur running a sd android rom compared to a nand android rom
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I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.

zarathustrax said:
I would say performance is the same with recent SD builds as with NAND builds. I've used both NAND and SD builds extensively... it depends a lot on the build. I guess it may depend on what SD card you're using too, but actually most high quality SD cards have faster read and write speeds than the NAND that the HD2 has... random access speed on good SD cards are as good as the HD2's NAND.
Desire HD builds may run a little better on NAND, but not by much if at all. AOSP and CM builds definitely run the same on both, though.
To the OP.... game performance will depend on what build you're using, but from my experience it seems to run games almost as good as a Desire. Desire may run a little better... depends on if it's running stock or if it's tweaked for performance. My friend has a desire that's tweaked and runs much better than any HD2 I've ever seen. But the HD2 can usually match a stock desire in performance.
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thx for the replies. Are there overclocked roms on hd2 to boost performance?

There are overclocked roms that boost your cpu speed up to 1.5ghz. No need tho. I have mine running at 900mhz and save a little battery. All my games run smooth. I got a stock desire hd rom on nand. My co-worker has the normal desire and his phone lags and hangs constantly. His is 100% stock from o2 germany.
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Oh and if you want an easy way to keep an eye on your specs and how your phone is running, there's a free app called Elixir. It's simple monitoring software, but it shows you EVERYTHING.
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thx for ur replies.. lol it's becoming harder to decide between desire and hd2 lol

If you want to run android then skip the desire and get a desire hd. If you want to dual boot android and windows then go with the hd2. If you just want android without dual boot then it's better to buy a native android system.
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Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
And I can confirm that both Windows Phone 7 and my SD Android ROM run flawlessly, before I was using a class 6 Samsung which I thought would be perfect for the job, but I was getting slow down and restarts in WP7 and the odd game skip in Android.
Now I Don't get a single skip whilst playing GT racing HD or PES2011 on Android and WP7 runs so smooth and fast, In my opinion there is no other choice on the market to be able to run Android and WP7 so well if at all...HD2 what else is there

THUDUK said:
Not sure if this helps but I have just bought one of these microsd cards
http://www.allmemorycards.co.uk/acatalog/SDSDQY-8192-E11M.html
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i got that one, i payed 30€ for it . First i thought 8 GB is enough but my SD Card is almost full. I have a question, which builds are the best for gaming? What about the RAM Builds, are they better for gaming?

[Q] which is better

i want to know which is better the Nand method or the SD method,which is more stable to put on my htc hd2,thing that i want to work for me that are must are the mms/sms send and receive,the cam and the wifi-and to be able to close the apps and not have all of them running when i start up the phone also i was haveing a problem everytime i turned the phone off then put in the wall charger it would just turn off,if one could point me in the right direction in to which is betterthat would help,as well as direction on to install either one SD/NAND METHOD.thanx a mill

personnally, i noticed a huge improvement when i switched from sd to nand. incomparable.
far better, all aspects. no more disconnections, better battery life, less lags, i donot regret winmo.
My favorite rom is sergio's team core droid rom series for all the fancy effects and, of course, the swiftness.
I did not even try other ones, and tiped the team. but i'm sure others will tell otherwise.

I would agree with the above poster. Going from a SD build to a NAND build, the NAND build is much smoother and uses less battery. The best I could get on standby on a SD build was 7-9mA and actual use from 300-450mA. The NAND build uses on standby from 2-3mA and actual use from 125-300mA. If you are a TMOUS, then you should try Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build. The build addresses everything you are asking. It even uses an optimized gps.conf file to lock onto the GPS satellites quicker.

do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue

phillytye215 said:
do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159

I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.

zarathustrax said:
I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.
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thanks for the info and your take on it your way more advanced then iam when it comes to all that

slbenz said:
Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159
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thank you for the link and what i was reading it has everything i want and need hopeful the install part is easy will try this when i get off work thank you again for your help

ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help

phillytye215 said:
ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help
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With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.

zarathustrax said:
With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.
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now i have a data plan but not unlimited will those open apps effect my data plan

[Q] Best NAND or SD Android ROM? Your favorites?

I've test driven about 50 ROMs on my HD2, from Mango to Android on NAND and SD, almost even flashed Mint but was turned off by no sound and will wait until dev is a little further along before trying that out. I'm on the newest DesireHD from CoreDroid and I'm liking it so far. My favorite ROM of all has been HardDroid2, but it had one fatal kiss of death that made me switch, which was no user dictionary/predictive text on the keyboard and no ability to install and deploy a different one from Market (FC anytime you try anything keyboard-setting related). I gave up on Mango altogether, at least until there's more apps and hotspot becomes a little easier. Dual boot with Android on NAND and Mango on SD would probably be ideal in my world, although that probably sounds bizarre given the HD2 is essentially a Windows phone to start.
Curious about the experience of others...preferred methods (SD or NAND), preferred chefs, best overall ROMs, best ROM for specific purposes? Have at...I know there's a ton of great knowledge and experience lurking around XDA, but even the purely end-users among us should have some constructive thoughts on to these questions...so have at!
Thanks,
smb282

smb282 said:
I've test driven about 50 ROMs on my HD2, from Mango to Android on NAND and SD, almost even flashed Mint but was turned off by no sound and will wait until dev is a little further along before trying that out. I'm on the newest DesireHD from CoreDroid and I'm liking it so far. My favorite ROM of all has been HardDroid2, but it had one fatal kiss of death that made me switch, which was no user dictionary/predictive text on the keyboard and no ability to install and deploy a different one from Market (FC anytime you try anything keyboard-setting related). I gave up on Mango altogether, at least until there's more apps and hotspot becomes a little easier. Dual boot with Android on NAND and Mango on SD would probably be ideal in my world, although that probably sounds bizarre given the HD2 is essentially a Windows phone to start.
Curious about the experience of others...preferred methods (SD or NAND), preferred chefs, best overall ROMs, best ROM for specific purposes? Have at...I know there's a ton of great knowledge and experience lurking around XDA, but even the purely end-users among us should have some constructive thoughts on to these questions...so have at!
Thanks,
smb282
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NAND is best for me and the latest energy rom will take some beating

if you want to use WP also, you need to use SD version but if you a android fan, just install nand version thats easy - or ?
i prefer Hyperdroid 3.0.1 its clean, fast and got low battery usage
(Gingerbread 2.3.5 - no sense (using ADW Launcher))

hi
only NAND

NAND is the way to go. DarkStone's SuperRam works great off SD since it loads in RAM and is very fast, but loading in ram seemed to create a few minor functionality problems with gaining root access.
I use Hyperdroid GBX: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=918899
hear Hyperdroid CM7 is just as good too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769026
Hyperdroid has decent battery life, amazing speed, great functionality, etc. I mean, I've only used like 4 different NAND roms so like everyone says, test some and find your personal favorite, but you got my recommendations above.

For Me it's
Dorimanx-ROM-HIGH-END ***** NO-HOME-REFRESH+SWAP+JIT+SKIN+TWEAKS+CRON
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166948

I've kept the NAND ROM in my sig since it was released, didn't update to newer version because the newer versions are too 'branded' for me in the settings menu and a few other places. I couldn't ask for a better NAND ROM than the one I have now, hundreds of apps, 5 homescreens, a bunch of widgets, and it still runs smooth as butter.
I usually switch between a few different SD builds, whatever's the hot new thing.

Dorimanx-Rom-High-End
Fastest around, overall great Nand rom.

Check my sig. Greatest for battery life
Sent from my HD2 using XDA App

O have tried many roms prefer no sense roms and sticked with cm6 android 2.2 lest bugy for me them cm7 or 2.3 gignger
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The newest version of Hyperdroid, the fastest and the most stable I've tested. Great battery usage. NAND of course. Magldr ver.

I have tried SD roms in the beginning, finally have settled for nand.
I'm using runnymede by mwakious.
it's working fine for me

In my opinion the best is HyperDroid, because it's a from source build, meaning it's 100% optimized for the HD2, making it the fastest and most stable rom for the device, but i hate the interface with passion.
My favorite Rom? i'm yet to find one that appeals to me as a full, i'm still looking for "THAT" perfect rom that is balanced concerning battery drain and performance with good aesthetics and UI. If only HTC released the source code for Sense UI so we can have Sense over any ROM, a CyanogenMod (Hyperdroid to be exact) + Sense UI Build would be my Dream and favorite ROM, as i don't like using LPSense, it just feels bland in comparison.

That would be the greatest
Hyperdroid with Sense UI
Would it be possible to cook a Rom with both if the source code if they release it?
Can we expect it in future or is it toooooooo far away?

I predict that the day the Sense UI source code is opened, android would be an abandonware OS, HTC is cool like that.

No ACA love eh? Suppose we need more glitter... haha
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Decided to check out several Sense 3.0 and 3.5 ROMs......went back to Miui....Sense is buggy and slow....wasted almost half a day I should get a life

kolyan said:
Decided to check out several Sense 3.0 and 3.5 ROMs......went back to Miui....Sense is buggy and slow....wasted almost half a day I should get a life
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I stay with Sense 2.0 and 2.1 roms, i don't know, despite of how awesomely fast other roms are, sense roms feel more like..phones if you know what i mean, they feel more solid to me.

I have too used many different sd roms, and I have finally settled into using nand
but my favorite for sd was americanandroid
and my favorite for nand is hyperdroid gbx

By far the best ROM I have used NAND or SD is [OCT16] AmeriCanAndroid AOSP HD2 GB2.3.7 CM7 | bk2sdext [KERNEL:ACA823]