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Can the HD2 be as fast as the Desire with Android?

Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba

I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.

I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.

If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND

Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil

when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.

I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.

@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway

kerman19 said:
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times

john00williams said:
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
john00williams said:
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.

@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.

jan-willem3 said:
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.

if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me

Pagnell said:
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil

Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus

At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

runemail said:
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.

Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?

I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.

jjones1983 said:
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )

[Q] HTC HD2 running android.

So, i have a htc hd2 running on android and i love it.
However, when lock my phone using the end call button or something.
I would look back at it after a while and the screen will stay black.
I try pressing the keys and nothing happens.
When i call the phone, it rings but i can't use the touch screen or see it.
It happens quite frequently. The android i have is darkstone froyo.
So it works but pretty frequently, the screen would go off and stay black.
What do i do?

Unfortunately threads like this are completely pointless unless you were to elaborate on which version of HD2 you have, which RADIO you have, which build you have, the current zImage, which Windows ROM you have.....

imtimduh said:
So, i have a htc hd2 running on android and i love it.
However, when lock my phone using the end call button or something.
I would look back at it after a while and the screen will stay black.
I try pressing the keys and nothing happens.
When i call the phone, it rings but i can't use the touch screen or see it.
It happens quite frequently. The android i have is darkstone froyo.
So it works but pretty frequently, the screen would go off and stay black.
What do i do?
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I wanted to see if Android would work on my HD2 before flashing a rom and changing my phone but I have this same problem as well.
I boot up Android and eventually I put the phone to sleep with the end call button and I can see the screen goes black but I can tell the backlight is still on. Then I try to unlock my phone and it never wakes up no matter which buttons I press. I eventually have to take out the battery to reset the phone back to windows mobile
Then again... I am also just running the U.S. T-mobile version with stock windows mobile 6.5 out of the box with no flashed rom with radio version 2.10.50.26
I will be looking over the sticky thread and doing the full conversion today but if anyone knows why it does this I would like to know so it doesnt happen even after I do it the correct way.

ooops. accidently replied by accident.

Same problem here.. I'm using chuckydroidrom, shubcraft 1.5 , radio 2.10.50.26 , have tried almost all the builds, radio versions, but result the same... would really like to know if anyone else has the same problem.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Same problem here. I tried on two hd2 phones. Everything is works fine but i cant end a call because the phone freezing. I'm using 2.15.50.14 radio and magldr113.

I gave up on the sd androids and went with a nand build, much more stable much better battery! Research builds READ THE POST and find one folks have the least trouble with.
I am currently using Motoman234's Moto-Mytouch4G V3.3 based on Iced Glacier by teamsilence. Shear brilliance in my opinion! i have tmous as well this nand for me is flawless. Everything works great and my battery will easily last the day. I had been using Darkstone SuperRAM FroYo v1.5 but the battery drain was murder. Great build beautiful and feature packed but not usable for me due to enormous battery drain. Ya installing them takes more (install hspl then magldr, then clockwork mod THEN the nand) but well worth the effort plus once all that is done you can change builds easily.

so far the core Droid series is great the v1.4 is fast and stable!! i can get up to 2500 on quadrant scores love it so much

pburstrom said:
I gave up on the sd androids and went with a nand build, much more stable much better battery! Research builds READ THE POST and find one folks have the least trouble with.
I am currently using Motoman234's Moto-Mytouch4G V3.3 based on Iced Glacier by teamsilence. Shear brilliance in my opinion! i have tmous as well this nand for me is flawless. Everything works great and my battery will easily last the day. I had been using Darkstone SuperRAM FroYo v1.5 but the battery drain was murder. Great build beautiful and feature packed but not usable for me due to enormous battery drain. Ya installing them takes more (install hspl then magldr, then clockwork mod THEN the nand) but well worth the effort plus once all that is done you can change builds easily.
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Actually, if you know what you're doing and make sure there's not anything unnecessarily draining your battery, SD builds and NAND builds have pretty much the same battery life. You may be able to get slightly better battery with nand, but not a noticeable amount. I get 3-6ma battery drain on standby with most SD builds I've used. Performance isn't much different with SD builds, either. Main pros of using NAND is you can use clockwork recovery and can change SD cards while using android. If you're not going to use winmo or wp7, you might as well use NAND android, but if you still use winmo or wp7, it's probably not worth losing those for the small bonuses you get with NAND.
I used NAND android for a month when it was first released, but I'm back to SD builds because I have WP7 on my NAND... and I can notice no difference in the performance and battery life.

I am using a SD build and have no problems with it. As long as you're smart with it you will be fine.
To answer the op's question, I would upgrade your radio first. It's too low of a version.
Second, what rom are you using?

naturesbless said:
I am using a SD build and have no problems with it. As long as you're smart with it you will be fine.
To answer the op's question, I would upgrade your radio first. It's too low of a version.
Second, what rom are you using?
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Your do realize this thread is about 6 months old

Upgrade your radio its solving your problem.. just try that trust me it works ...
HD2 TMOUSA
rom : TyphoonCyanogenMod 7
radio: 2.15.50.14
LINTEAM LEADER(gpu dev)

It was near the top of my unread threads page? Somebody replied to it, not me and I found that nobody answered the op and were instead discussing the pro/cons of NAND vs SD.
Sorry that I didn't check the date of the thread before posting.

zarathustrax said:
Actually, if you know what you're doing and make sure there's not anything unnecessarily draining your battery, SD builds and NAND builds have pretty much the same battery life. You may be able to get slightly better battery with nand, but not a noticeable amount. I get 3-6ma battery drain on standby with most SD builds I've used. Performance isn't much different with SD builds, either. Main pros of using NAND is you can use clockwork recovery and can change SD cards while using android. If you're not going to use winmo or wp7, you might as well use NAND android, but if you still use winmo or wp7, it's probably not worth losing those for the small bonuses you get with NAND.
I used NAND android for a month when it was first released, but I'm back to SD builds because I have WP7 on my NAND... and I can notice no difference in the performance and battery life.
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While I agree SD is better if you want to keep windows I disagree strongly on the battery life, at least on the SD builds I used. I would shut down bg data, wifi, bluetooth, location, and data when it was not in use but still had horrible battery drain (50 to 60 ma sleeping) and could never make a full day with out a charge. Now wifi and bg data stays on always I seldom NEED a recharge most days I can get nearly 2 days out of my battery. I tried different "battery savers" to no avail, applied every patch the developers suggested and researched extensively.
IMO "Know what you're doing" is a rather obnoxious statement.

In my experience, it seems to depend on the build. It may seem trite, but there are tradeoffs in all the available builds and different people do fine on those that suck juice, because certain features they want are there. I like the SD versions because sometimes I need WinMo, and it's easy to move between them.

The rush to NAND, what am I missing here?

Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
Sent from my Android HTC HD2

Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.

I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.

Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).

abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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+1
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone

zat0x said:
I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??

As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.

Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.

BLAST3RR said:
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.

I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.

berbecverde said:
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day

TheiPhoneKiller said:
You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.

Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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MartyLK said:
It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !

There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.

MartyLK said:
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.

[Q] NAND vs SD Builds

I have leo1024 and currently running running on a SD build. I was thinking about switching to NAND, but had few questions prior to switching.
Is the NAND build worth switching to? Is it faster? Does it consume less battery? What are the disadvantages to switching to the NAND build?
Also what is the best clean froyo NAND build?

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It could be a good move to compare two same builds (Nand and SD)
like :
Desire hd rom
NAND v :******************************************* SD v :
power consumption:..xxx*******************************power consumption:..xxx.
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...
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*** mean "space"
and stick this if ready.
It could stop many questions about what is better.
Thanks.

I can only tell you my experience. One of my biggest frustrations was that if I locked my phone by pressing the red end button, and tried to turn the screen back on right away, I had to wait 20-30 seconds. That no longer happens. For battery, the lowest I ever saw was a 4ma standby, but usually closer to 6-8ma. I routinely see 2ma in standby, but probably averages 4ma...this is probably 25-50% better battery. It just seems more smooth also. Plus, with RMNET being as fast as PPP, there are no longer any data drops.
Again, this is my experience. Try it...if you don't like it, you can always go back to WM and SD card builds.
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I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. trust me SD based built is best one. you have more choice(window and android) and that is the speciality of HD'2'(2- means 2 operating system)
battery wise nobody can't boast about nand because any latest phones bettery(including desire HD itselt) is very bad . Also android drinks battery if you are not maintained your running applications properly.
furthermore no complication and less harmful to device.so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??

No way I will ever go back to windows + sd...
Nand is better in more then one way, smooth all around (as mentioned never unlock delay), better battery usage, faster downloads and installs (and no freezes when doing a market install)
If you are wondering why you still have windows on your mobile because you only see your android booting up, go got nand
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rasih5503 said:
I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. (...)
so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
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Well, thats one opinion, ok.
Personally, I didn't try all kinds of recovery, didn't try app2sd, didn't try any ++ method stuff extra extra extra!!1!. Just didn't.
I just tried a few ROMs on NAND, and generally the user experience is so good I don't want to bother using SD or RAM builds.
The biggest plus of NAND is that it makes use of the device's hardware in the way it was supposed to be, without having the deal with Windows Mobile juckyness.
The battery life is dramatically different, because constant reading and writing from SD uses battery charge that isn't even monitored by currentwidgets. If you say 'any new phone has crap battery life' you probably only tested a rom with the 60mA after call bug. These eat battery charge just as fast as RAM builds do.
imagine what happens if you compare such a system to one that averages 4 mA
My father also has an HD2 and he is running a rom that still has the notification led bug thing going on. Still he gets 3 days battery life out of it!!!

NAND For The Win
NAND is the way to go.
I experienced lots of standby battery fluctuations on SD. After trying almost every SD build that made "battery saving" claims I honestly still couldn't reliably use any of them for day to day use. So I just stuck with Window Mobile.
After flashing to NAND I usually see 1-4mA standby. Even in poor signal spots!

Well seeing that you have that damned 1024 leo, you have the ideal device for android on NAND. Advantages for you:
You have a lot of free storage, prolly 500+ since you got TMOUS
Power consumption is low
Performance in sense builds, for me, has been better, especially with Desire HD builds.
Fast boot time
Disadvantages:
Not as much free storage as to what you can get from SD builds
MAGDLR and installing a NAND build, might pose some problems for you, if you don't read the forum...
If you like winmo then installing android onto NAND may be considered a disadvantage for you.

So I went ahead and tried out the NAND method and I kinda like it but I am confused about few things.
I have read throughout the NAND forum and people keep talking about AP2SD+ thingy. I am still kinda unsure about what it is, but I am guessing its to automatically install all apps onto the SD card instead of the device itself. Am I correct about this?
Also, is there a good clean froyo build? When I was using the SD card method, I used MDJ's Froyo HD 4.6, which didn't have a custom skin. I currently see that the only good NAND build by MDJ is the Froyo Revolution v.2.3. Is there a way to remove the custom theme and revert back to the default?
Also, I see here on the MAGLDR boot menu that there is an option of "Boot AD SD". I went to Services > BootSettings >> AD SD Dir and changed the folder to "Android" which is the location of build on my SD card. I manged to get it to boot, but it just get suck on the boot screen and doesn't load up into the system.

hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..

i like nand better then sd

Apps2sd that is used in the nand roms stores the bulk of an application on an ext partition on your SD card. This in effect gives you a ton of space for apps.
Nand builds for me work great. Battery life is better than even winmo was, and there aren't any glaring issues remaining. Its becoming very fine tuned in the nand forum. I can't speak for SD builds because I abandoned them a long time ago. You can always flash winmo back if you dont like it.
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as far as windows mobile is concerned its good with battery backup but if i choose between nand and sd i would have gone for nand as its really smooth and without any cons in some built and its going great with provide me better application and a lot to choose without any lags.so a liitle compromise in battery is ok for me though new nand built dont have the battery problem either.Except in few people complainig about battery issue that must be because of wrong installation or their luck

I kind of SD ....
I changed to SD from winmo recently.its smooth and no response problem yet.SD has the advantage that ,I can just go back to winmo on a reboot in case some thing goes wrong with green.I recommend SD at least for beginners.Once you are Ok with it > move to Nand if you want so ....

beat me to the question
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)

kidtk said:
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
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Use CWM, the advantage with CWM is that you can backup your NAND build, try other builds, even revert back to winmo if you want, then come back and restore you backed up android and its all back to how you had it, awesome
I have a LEO512 so I stick to Cyanogenmod and MIUI roms, I would like a really nice updated desire rom, but everyone seems to have moved on to desire HD and left the desire rom by cotulla behind, which is a shame because I have issues with some APN's with that build. I've never ran out of space and I don't use app2sd, but maybe I just don't use as many apps as some people.
I used to get sleep of death issues with all SD builds, now I dont get it with NAND, thats probably the best reason to move to NAND, instant wake up.

NAND offer way more functionality, a few appd I've played with wont install on SD android, angry birds is a perfect example, running NAND thus far has no limitations, MIUI has some very stable roms with alot of additional functionality that stock android doesnt

I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060

richiegopal said:
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
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very nice
thanks thanks

trex3300 said:
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
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You've made a mistake somewhere as it isn't possible to have an SD build via cLK. And 1-3 mA?! Wow I get a consistent 4 mA with Typhoon
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[Q] Have the current problems in cLK/MAGLDR ROMS been fixed?

So I've been reading about wanted to flash Android 2.3.X to my HTC HD2 and this is basically what i come up with...
***Applies to HTC HD2, not sure about other cellular devices!***
cLK - Uses PPP and you get fast connecton speed with low to no packet loss, but unstable connection and freezes. Also you can charge with phone all the way dead and off. ROM Manager works on cLK and you can boot-up faster too. Acts more like a native OS on the device installed(in this case the HTC HD2).
MAGLDR - Uses RMNet and you get slower connection speed due to larger amount of packet loss, but stable connection. Also, you can't charge without power on. Doesn't act as a native OS on the device, unlike cLK.
Has anybody fixed any of these major flaws with the flash of Android on the HTC HD2? Do these flaws still exist or has somebody fixed these issues?
In your opinion, which type of ROM is best? I have not come across any further new information and if you have please post here about what has been fixed in the last year or something with these flaws here and compare these two! Thanks a lot!
PS: I've wanted to flash my HTC HD2 for a while now but I dont know what to do just yet, seems like the default WM 6.5 is best but it is limited in things I can do, unlike Android which seems so open and awesome.

hyrule571 said:
So I've been reading about wanted to flash Android 2.3.X to my HTC HD2 and this is basically what i come up with...
***Applies to HTC HD2, not sure about other cellular devices!***
cLK - Uses PPP and you get fast connecton speed with low to no packet loss, but unstable connection and freezes. Also you can charge with phone all the way dead and off. ROM Manager works on cLK and you can boot-up faster too. Acts more like a native OS on the device installed(in this case the HTC HD2).
MAGLDR - Uses RMNet and you get slower connection speed due to larger amount of packet loss, but stable connection. Also, you can't charge without power on. Doesn't act as a native OS on the device, unlike cLK.
Has anybody fixed any of these major flaws with the flash of Android on the HTC HD2? Do these flaws still exist or has somebody fixed these issues?
In your opinion, which type of ROM is best? I have not come across any further new information and if you have please post here about what has been fixed in the last year or something with these flaws here and compare these two! Thanks a lot!
PS: I've wanted to flash my HTC HD2 for a while now but I dont know what to do just yet, seems like the default WM 6.5 is best but it is limited in things I can do, unlike Android which seems so open and awesome.
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I really don't think these can be classed as 'major flaws' at all. The lack of cold charging in MAGLDR is a flaw but I personally have never gone below 15% battery after a days' worth of use. As for the rest of it, where are the flaws? On MAGLDR I get 2Mb/s download speed which is more than enough for my personal use.
In other words, do yourself a favour and get rid of that ghastly WinMo now!

I understand how bad WM 6.5 is, but I'd rather have everything working the way it should on my phone. The question is though, have any of these flaws/bugs been fixed? To me these are problems that matter, I'd rather flash a cLK ROM but, the data connection just isn't stable according to previous threads I've read.

hyrule571 said:
I understand how bad WM 6.5 is, but I'd rather have everything working the way it should on my phone. The question is though, have any of these flaws/bugs been fixed? To me these are problems that matter, I'd rather flash a cLK ROM but, the data connection just isn't stable according to previous threads I've read.
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to answer your question, no what you stated above has not changed. no "one" is working on magldr (quotes as there was only one person - cotulla.) as for cLK i believe it is also as is now (though don't use it, don't follow it). would not expect any changes to them either.
but i mean, to be honest, you could flash to android and give it a go and be back on WM by the end of the day if it isn't your cup of tea. i don't quite get the hesitation to try something new; if this wasn't xda i would understand but since being here i assume people want to give things a go.
as for roms, again, just try things. typhoon is what i use. there are 1000s of threads of people professing what is best. again, nothing will be perfect for everyone; but tis why there are so many options.
anyways...my 2 cents. cheers.

I see.. Okay lol, thanks.. I understand basically what your saying about trying new things out, I may one day if I get real serious to the point. I might rage at WM 6.5 and say, "It's over!"

hyrule571 said:
I see.. Okay lol, thanks.. I understand basically what your saying about trying new things out, I may one day if I get real serious to the point. I might rage at WM 6.5 and say, "It's over!"
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At the very least, try SD Android and see if you like it, it has the same amount of functionality as NAND Android but is a bit slower. It still gives a good experience and nothing complicated is needed to do so, just have to copy a folder to your SD card and run 2 files. It is 100% risk-free, it doesn't affect NAND or WinMo.

I've been using nand Hyperdroid (latest version) with magldr, and it's running without flaws. Everything works well. Including some heavy 3d games.

I decided to install clk last night and so far so good. I like the fact that I can charge the phone with it off. So far, I haven't had any issues with my data being unstable. As matter of fact it seems as if my signal is better. Being able to go directly to recovery from the power menu is another plus.
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