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[Q] After a day with Android on HD2

I'm half way through my 2nd day using Android on my HD2 and this thread is for me to say what issues i've found. Not to complain, just because most of them may have fixes or other people may have the same issues. These ROMS haven't long been out and i'm sure the developers here will fix many issues.
ROM: NRGZ28 Energy ROM
Radio: .12
Android Build: Desire v5
Battery Life:
Compared with WinMo, Android appears to be less optomised on battery. I put the phone on a full charge at 7pm last night, at this time(10:25am) with very little use, 1 3 minute call and a quick check on Facebook) the battery only has 50% left just over
Unresponsive Screen:
Occasionally the screen will stop responding, however pressing a hardware button usually clears the problem up
Photo Uploading:
I took 2 photos yesturday and went to upload them to Facebook, however the progress bar stays at 0% on the notification bar and no way to remove it
No Mic/Audio:
I've made another thread for this and I found the problem, with my Windows Mobile ROM it doesn't automatically load CLRAD.EXE before HaRAT.EXE, so when starting up the phone, i have to take out SD Card, use File Explorer to start CLRAD.exe, put SD Card in then launch HaRAT.exe
I've heard changing to the Titanium WinMo ROM fixes many issues compared to Energy so I may try that tonight

your rom should be fine to run android.
desire v5 is not the best choice, cause its one of the first builds.
you should take an new build before doing anything else...
if you like sense, give mattc 1.6 a try. if you not like sense take a look at darkstones newest froyostone.
there have been many many kernel updates since desire v5 was released. you will notice a huge difference in speed and response...

Bimme said:
your rom should be fine to run android.
desire v5 is not the best choice, cause its one of the first builds.
you should take an new build before doing anything else...
if you like sense, give mattc 1.6 a try. if you not like sense take a look at darkstones newest froyostone.
there have been many many kernel updates since desire v5 was released. you will notice a huge difference in speed and response...
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Thanks for the tip, I may try Mattc 1.6, is that 1.6 the version of the ROM or is it Android 1.6?

Actually wait a bit on mattc 1.6. It currently has issues. mattc 1.5b is my fulltime build right now. I haven't used WinMo in 2 weeks. As a matter of fact, I'm going to load on a light version of WinMo, like Chucky's. Why have a bloated WinMo when you're not using it?

geon106 said:
Thanks for the tip, I may try Mattc 1.6, is that 1.6 the version of the ROM or is it Android 1.6?
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I said to you to upgrade as desire is an older build. In regards of clfcad it should be on your SD card in the android folder along with haret so why is it stored elsewhere? Plus you always have to click clrcad before running haret unless you use an android launcher like mskips which does this automatically.

So OP other than your experiences with highly known problems. What was your experince with android overall.
Did you like it? Did you use it to is full potential? Did you try out the new voice search? What did you think of qik? or any other note worthy apps?
I know you are probably already aware but I just wanted to say
these things.
The battery life improves with use of setcpu. Considering the phone was never designed to run android I am ok with it.
Unresponsive screen is solved right now by disabling screen rotation.
there is also a slight delay built in I believe.
Uploads were a big problem untill the recent ppp fix.
You shouldnt ever have a problem with sound running aslong
as clrad.exe is being properly ran.
I wanted to address these because I believe android on the hd2 needs a fair chance. If we dont take into account these minor flaws we wont see the greatness.

11calcal said:
I said to you to upgrade as desire is an older build. In regards of clfcad it should be on your SD card in the android folder along with haret so why is it stored elsewhere? Plus you always have to click clrcad before running haret unless you use an android launcher like mskips which does this automatically.
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Those files are in the Android folder on the SD card, but I thought the WinMo ROM as it has a button built in to launch Android would be scripted to run CLFCAD.exe and HaRAT.exe automatically, wrongly assumed on my part though.
hmm, mskips you say? May give that a go.
Yeah i've been told by a few people to upgrade the Android rom i have, the reason I started with this one is because i figured the HTC Desire is a similar phone to HD2. I'll try in a bit a new WinMo ROM and Android ROM but with the same radio

hazard99 said:
So OP other than your experiences with highly known problems. What was your experince with android overall.
Did you like it? Did you use it to is full potential? Did you try out the new voice search? What did you think of qik? or any other note worthy apps?
I know you are probably already aware but I just wanted to say
these things.
The battery life improves with use of setcpu. Considering the phone was never designed to run android I am ok with it.
Unresponsive screen is solved right now by disabling screen rotation.
there is also a slight delay built in I believe.
Uploads were a big problem untill the recent ppp fix.
You shouldnt ever have a problem with sound running aslong
as clrad.exe is being properly ran.
I wanted to address these because I believe android on the hd2 needs a fair chance. If we dont take into account these minor flaws we wont see the greatness.
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Don't get me wrong this isn't me complaining about it. I knew there would be "niggling" issues of course.
Well personally, I love it. I want to use it as my main OS. It is suprisingly stable, it looks good, it runs reasonably well(i.e above issues). I love the Android Marketplace, i've given Layar a go(which runs well and is fun) i enjoy Latitude and using it with Google Buzz.
I am hugely grateful for the work people are putting into these ROMs, its fantastic and as they get improved and issues get fixed well, I can imagine great things

sorry I didnt mean to imply anything. I just wanted to see what you enjoyed. I am glad to see you are enjoying it.
I knew these guys were smart so i bought it even before I knew about the project.
Dreams really do come true lol.

hazard99 said:
sorry I didnt mean to imply anything. I just wanted to see what you enjoyed. I am glad to see you are enjoying it.
I knew these guys were smart so i bought it even before I knew about the project.
Dreams really do come true lol.
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I agree, I will be keeping a close eye on the ROMs and as they get improved more and more, our experiences with Android will only get better. Right now i'm experimenting with different builds to see which one suites me best

[Q]Nand vs Ram?

As you guys all know Darkstone made a build that runs off the phones ram which i find is a fast build but Cotulla has released his nand desire build. So..which one is faster? any advantages/disadvantages between the two?

For me (when i do not look at quadrant score) the NAND is much smoother.
Ok the quadrant score is lower,but that is because of i/o writes.
But graphical is is faster,i love it

Try it yourself first?? So you have your own feedback ready to share..
By the way I'm gonna try now both of them for few days each.. let you know then.
Happy new year dude
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I actually already tried them both. Nand needs a little more playing around with but it seems smoother. Or maybe its all in our head that nand is smoother since we have been waiting for it so long

I have the ram version its very fast it satisfies me but I wanna know about the ROM release, please share ur Xperience

Both Dark Stone and Cotulla and his team deserve to be commended for their efforts,nice one folks
I have yet to try the NAND ROM but i have Dark Stones Froyo SUPERAM Build on my phone and have had little or no trouble at all and the most important thing is - it is blazing fast,much much faster than any other build ive tried so i would be inclined to stick with the build that is faster,ill keep an eye on Cotullas thread and may try it but for me the speedness of SUPERAM is the winner but everyones different.

I thought most of the task killer are trying to release RAM . and says it saves battery also. now you are going load your going to the RAM. any expert can explain this ?

hossshad said:
I have the ram version its very fast it satisfies me but I wanna know about the ROM release, please share ur Xperience
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try it, you wont lose anything. I still prefer mdj's gingerbread ram build but not because its faster but because of the builds gui and mods he has done to the build but if he were to transfer that into a nand build i would be in there

miguel4u2 said:
As you guys all know Darkstone made a build that runs off the phones ram which i find is a fast build but Cotulla has released his nand desire build. So..which one is faster? any advantages/disadvantages between the two?
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Well, from what I've seen so far smoothness-wise NAND Desire stock is good.
However, market downloading speed for me with Darkstone's build is over 1mb/sec, with Cotulla's build it's more like 250kb/sec. That's still reasonable but not amazing.
Additionally, whilst reinstalling my programs which I've backed up with ASTRO, it's quite clear to me that darkstone's RAM build was faster in installing applications.
ON THE OTHER HAND,
the NAND build wakes up instantly, as in INSTANTLY, when you press a button, even when it's sluggish due to being in the middle of loads of work.
So far, this is all I've noticed though I'm sure I will notice more as time goes on.

Does NAND flash do anything for battery life?
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My main focus is power consumption, my HD2 can't handle more than 6 hours of heavy use. I receive/make calls a lot, and I constantly use the messaging system... I have to be plugged in all the time, that sucks. Is NAND better battery wise?
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U can't modify ram builds extensively cause they are read only. U can mod NAND. In performance its seems to be on different. Except slower booting
Don't think we will know about battery for a week. We will see
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

as stated, only really thing i liked about ram was the quick boot but being the hardcore user i am i was constantly getting the device full error and needing to reboot due to max ram usage. Nand all the way

I really love the NAND and the Ram versions (thanks devs)
They are both smooth and working fast, but the problem I have is the amount of space for the apps.
The RAM version would let me install all my apps into the SD card as the DATA file is found in the SD card. Yet with NAND I can only install a handful of apps which in my opinion is the biggest disadvantage other than that I’m happy with the NAND version and still testing

to these who are running nand or ram builds
The main Question is the batterylife. Can anyone say somethig about this? How is it on RAM and how on NAND builds? That is the 1st fakt i want to look at.
And how about the Market download speed? On SD builds it's very slow, any changes?
At RAM builds there are still things like GPS not working, so they are nothing for me, at NAND builds i don't read anything that doesn't work.

I have two HD2's
First HD2, DarkStone SuperRAM 1.5 with patches from that thread, 5mA with correct configuration. Lot's of free RAM. After 10 hours usage with auto sync on, mobile data off lost about 10% of battery.
Second HD2, LEO "Stock" NAND Android, bunch of HTC apps/services running in the background, started with 3 to 5mA in standby right now. It fluctuated to 60mA, but came back to 4mA now, will have to check how it does over normal usage for couple of days.
NAND UI is faster than RAM.
Bottom line, based on your configuration mA in standby will vary, I feel HTC is too much of bloatware and designed for non-geek demographic.
Update: Unless you really love all HTC Sense, HTC background apps, widgets and services, I would suggest not to install stock NAND ROM.

i tried already 2 nand roms...all i can say that nand rom is fast indeed..!tried stock desire and desire HD nands rom for hd2..
So...nand is very stable and responsive..no lags at all!all works great..!the only bad thing is that your phone memory is low!!with desire stock phone memory is 80mb and desire hd nand is 156 mb..!compared to ram version u can extend your data.img so u can have more phone memory,ram is much faster than nand i think..hastarin and even darkstone stated it..!i think cotulla also i agreed..!i made benchmark scores with nand and was 1400 on dhd and 1200 on stock desire while ram desire stock gave 1700+..neocore on nand is 30.7 fps while on ram is 31.6fps !i tried games on nand such as asphalt avatar nova and lags while on ram dont!overall nand is great for those who want to get rid of winmo!battery is a bit much better on nand
thats all from..i suggest people try nand..its great!it is very easy to install and if you are not like it...it is very easy also to boot back to stock or custom winmo roms!
thanks cottula for all this and the devs for making all this possible ..have a happy new year

do nand builds finally get rid of the screen wakeup lag problems? running android off sd on my hd2, and sometimes the screen doesn't wakeup when i press buttons.

windroidHD said:
I have two HD2's
First HD2, DarkStone SuperRAM 1.5 with patches from that thread, 5mA with correct configuration. Lot's of free RAM. After 10 hours usage with auto sync on, mobile data off lost about 10% of battery.
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wait. 10 hours of usage and 90% battery remains. doesn't feel right.

dan138zig said:
wait. 10 hours of usage and 90% battery remains. doesn't feel right.
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10 hours of usage with auto sync on. not necessarily 10 hours display on.
I think I have to find some other ROM for NAND, DFT LEO Stock NAND Android is running too many junk HTC app's and services in the background.

The rush to NAND, what am I missing here?

Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
Sent from my Android HTC HD2

Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.

I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.

Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).

abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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+1
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I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone

zat0x said:
I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??

As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.

Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.

BLAST3RR said:
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.

I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.

berbecverde said:
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day

TheiPhoneKiller said:
You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.

Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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MartyLK said:
It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !

There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.

MartyLK said:
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.

[Q] NAND vs SD Builds

I have leo1024 and currently running running on a SD build. I was thinking about switching to NAND, but had few questions prior to switching.
Is the NAND build worth switching to? Is it faster? Does it consume less battery? What are the disadvantages to switching to the NAND build?
Also what is the best clean froyo NAND build?

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It could be a good move to compare two same builds (Nand and SD)
like :
Desire hd rom
NAND v :******************************************* SD v :
power consumption:..xxx*******************************power consumption:..xxx.
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*** mean "space"
and stick this if ready.
It could stop many questions about what is better.
Thanks.

I can only tell you my experience. One of my biggest frustrations was that if I locked my phone by pressing the red end button, and tried to turn the screen back on right away, I had to wait 20-30 seconds. That no longer happens. For battery, the lowest I ever saw was a 4ma standby, but usually closer to 6-8ma. I routinely see 2ma in standby, but probably averages 4ma...this is probably 25-50% better battery. It just seems more smooth also. Plus, with RMNET being as fast as PPP, there are no longer any data drops.
Again, this is my experience. Try it...if you don't like it, you can always go back to WM and SD card builds.
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I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. trust me SD based built is best one. you have more choice(window and android) and that is the speciality of HD'2'(2- means 2 operating system)
battery wise nobody can't boast about nand because any latest phones bettery(including desire HD itselt) is very bad . Also android drinks battery if you are not maintained your running applications properly.
furthermore no complication and less harmful to device.so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??

No way I will ever go back to windows + sd...
Nand is better in more then one way, smooth all around (as mentioned never unlock delay), better battery usage, faster downloads and installs (and no freezes when doing a market install)
If you are wondering why you still have windows on your mobile because you only see your android booting up, go got nand
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rasih5503 said:
I have been on nand and all kind of recovery and app2sd and ++ methods. (...)
so better to stick with SD. Trust me.. in couple of weeks time all guys will turn back to HD '2' do you know what i mean...??
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Well, thats one opinion, ok.
Personally, I didn't try all kinds of recovery, didn't try app2sd, didn't try any ++ method stuff extra extra extra!!1!. Just didn't.
I just tried a few ROMs on NAND, and generally the user experience is so good I don't want to bother using SD or RAM builds.
The biggest plus of NAND is that it makes use of the device's hardware in the way it was supposed to be, without having the deal with Windows Mobile juckyness.
The battery life is dramatically different, because constant reading and writing from SD uses battery charge that isn't even monitored by currentwidgets. If you say 'any new phone has crap battery life' you probably only tested a rom with the 60mA after call bug. These eat battery charge just as fast as RAM builds do.
imagine what happens if you compare such a system to one that averages 4 mA
My father also has an HD2 and he is running a rom that still has the notification led bug thing going on. Still he gets 3 days battery life out of it!!!

NAND For The Win
NAND is the way to go.
I experienced lots of standby battery fluctuations on SD. After trying almost every SD build that made "battery saving" claims I honestly still couldn't reliably use any of them for day to day use. So I just stuck with Window Mobile.
After flashing to NAND I usually see 1-4mA standby. Even in poor signal spots!

Well seeing that you have that damned 1024 leo, you have the ideal device for android on NAND. Advantages for you:
You have a lot of free storage, prolly 500+ since you got TMOUS
Power consumption is low
Performance in sense builds, for me, has been better, especially with Desire HD builds.
Fast boot time
Disadvantages:
Not as much free storage as to what you can get from SD builds
MAGDLR and installing a NAND build, might pose some problems for you, if you don't read the forum...
If you like winmo then installing android onto NAND may be considered a disadvantage for you.

So I went ahead and tried out the NAND method and I kinda like it but I am confused about few things.
I have read throughout the NAND forum and people keep talking about AP2SD+ thingy. I am still kinda unsure about what it is, but I am guessing its to automatically install all apps onto the SD card instead of the device itself. Am I correct about this?
Also, is there a good clean froyo build? When I was using the SD card method, I used MDJ's Froyo HD 4.6, which didn't have a custom skin. I currently see that the only good NAND build by MDJ is the Froyo Revolution v.2.3. Is there a way to remove the custom theme and revert back to the default?
Also, I see here on the MAGLDR boot menu that there is an option of "Boot AD SD". I went to Services > BootSettings >> AD SD Dir and changed the folder to "Android" which is the location of build on my SD card. I manged to get it to boot, but it just get suck on the boot screen and doesn't load up into the system.

hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..

i like nand better then sd

Apps2sd that is used in the nand roms stores the bulk of an application on an ext partition on your SD card. This in effect gives you a ton of space for apps.
Nand builds for me work great. Battery life is better than even winmo was, and there aren't any glaring issues remaining. Its becoming very fine tuned in the nand forum. I can't speak for SD builds because I abandoned them a long time ago. You can always flash winmo back if you dont like it.
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as far as windows mobile is concerned its good with battery backup but if i choose between nand and sd i would have gone for nand as its really smooth and without any cons in some built and its going great with provide me better application and a lot to choose without any lags.so a liitle compromise in battery is ok for me though new nand built dont have the battery problem either.Except in few people complainig about battery issue that must be because of wrong installation or their luck

I kind of SD ....
I changed to SD from winmo recently.its smooth and no response problem yet.SD has the advantage that ,I can just go back to winmo on a reboot in case some thing goes wrong with green.I recommend SD at least for beginners.Once you are Ok with it > move to Nand if you want so ....

beat me to the question
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)

kidtk said:
ive been trying to decide whether i try out cwm but nand seems to do the trick for me
ive been using nand ever since it came out and i really like but the only reason why i was considering CWM is this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=961679
they dont have a nand version currently im using wp7 about to flash mdj's rom and its really stable i havent had a problem with it ..why would you want to have more than one android os on one device (other than developing) i mean we were all waiting eagerly for nanad and now thats its here we still use the old way lol (not the old way but ..you know what i mean lol)
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Use CWM, the advantage with CWM is that you can backup your NAND build, try other builds, even revert back to winmo if you want, then come back and restore you backed up android and its all back to how you had it, awesome
I have a LEO512 so I stick to Cyanogenmod and MIUI roms, I would like a really nice updated desire rom, but everyone seems to have moved on to desire HD and left the desire rom by cotulla behind, which is a shame because I have issues with some APN's with that build. I've never ran out of space and I don't use app2sd, but maybe I just don't use as many apps as some people.
I used to get sleep of death issues with all SD builds, now I dont get it with NAND, thats probably the best reason to move to NAND, instant wake up.

NAND offer way more functionality, a few appd I've played with wont install on SD android, angry birds is a perfect example, running NAND thus far has no limitations, MIUI has some very stable roms with alot of additional functionality that stock android doesnt

I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060

richiegopal said:
hey why not any one with two hd2 mobiles(one with NAND and the other with SD) make a video comparision so that people could really see the speed and effiency of both roms?.i think this solves the problem!..
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very nice
thanks thanks

trex3300 said:
I tried both tytung's Gingerbread SD and NAND.
SD: ~3-5mA, fast, occassional data drop due to CLK-PPP issue
NAND/Magldr: ~1-3mA, fast and stable, no data drop. Everything works great.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905060
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You've made a mistake somewhere as it isn't possible to have an SD build via cLK. And 1-3 mA?! Wow I get a consistent 4 mA with Typhoon
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[Q] which is better

i want to know which is better the Nand method or the SD method,which is more stable to put on my htc hd2,thing that i want to work for me that are must are the mms/sms send and receive,the cam and the wifi-and to be able to close the apps and not have all of them running when i start up the phone also i was haveing a problem everytime i turned the phone off then put in the wall charger it would just turn off,if one could point me in the right direction in to which is betterthat would help,as well as direction on to install either one SD/NAND METHOD.thanx a mill

personnally, i noticed a huge improvement when i switched from sd to nand. incomparable.
far better, all aspects. no more disconnections, better battery life, less lags, i donot regret winmo.
My favorite rom is sergio's team core droid rom series for all the fancy effects and, of course, the swiftness.
I did not even try other ones, and tiped the team. but i'm sure others will tell otherwise.

I would agree with the above poster. Going from a SD build to a NAND build, the NAND build is much smoother and uses less battery. The best I could get on standby on a SD build was 7-9mA and actual use from 300-450mA. The NAND build uses on standby from 2-3mA and actual use from 125-300mA. If you are a TMOUS, then you should try Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build. The build addresses everything you are asking. It even uses an optimized gps.conf file to lock onto the GPS satellites quicker.

do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue

phillytye215 said:
do you have the link for that one Cmylxgo's Desire HD(2) build.cuz that sounds like you said address all my issue
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Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159

I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.

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I've couldn't really tell a difference between NAND and SD as far as performance and battery life. I got 3-5ma on standby with NAND, and currently I get 3-6ma on standby with SD builds. No noticeable difference in performance. The nice thing about NAND is having clockwork and being able to change out SD card. Also more builds available for NAND now. I used NAND for a little more than a month, but I felt like I took away what makes the HD2 special and unique and turned it into just another common android device like everybody has. With android flashed to NAND, the HD2 can't do anything that an Evo can't do. I was thinking about going back to WinMo because I still liked using that sometimes, when WP7 was released for HD2. After trying that, I couldn't be happier with my HD2. What other phone can run 2 great OS's almost as good as the native phones can. I now use both WP7 and Android about equally, and at this point wouldn't be able to decide between the 2 OS's if I had to get a new phone. Luckily I don't have to pick right now with the HD2. I don't think we'll ever see a phone as versatile as the HD2 is again. Hopefully soon I'll be able to boot WP7(nand), Android(sd), WM6.5(sd), and Ubuntu(sd) all from my hope at any given time.
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thanks for the info and your take on it your way more advanced then iam when it comes to all that

slbenz said:
Here you go: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915159
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thank you for the link and what i was reading it has everything i want and need hopeful the install part is easy will try this when i get off work thank you again for your help

ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help

phillytye215 said:
ok so i flashed a rom useing the nand method the problem iam haveing now is that wheni turn the phone off to charge it.and put the wall usb in the phone comes on,as well the when i got to the task killer app just about all the apps are open some are open that i never even touched,any info would help
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With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.

zarathustrax said:
With magldr, you need phone on to charge. It will automatically boot when plugged in. You must charge with phone on.
And some apps do things in the background without you doing anything. Task killers aren't actually needed in android... they usually mess things up more than helps. Android is good at managing memory on it's own.
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now i have a data plan but not unlimited will those open apps effect my data plan