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With the new video of Win8 out today, I'm wondering how soon it'll get to running on the xoom. It will be an interesting summer contemplating the quad core tablets and the releases of Android 4.0 and Win8. Maybe we'll have to wait for the xoom2.
did I miss something? I don't recall seeing that win8 will be made available for the xoom processor.
I think it is best to wait and see an actual working Windows 8 tablet first. By that time, this tablet will probably be retired.
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I think it is best to wait and see an actual working Windows 8 tablet first. By that time, this tablet will probably be retired.
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Yep, thanks to everyone trying to make a tablet to beat the rest most likely by the end ofthe year the Xoom will be called "slow" and "outdated"
It looks like the end of the age of the laptop and the start of the age of tablets.
be interesting if you can install win8 on the xoom - but i don't think it'll happen anytime soon
Scheduled for tomorrow along with the release of android 4.0
"Tomorrow" is actually true. MS is supposed to demo at least the interface of Win8 on ARM at Computex a day after the D9 intro.
TI OMAP4, Nvid Kal-El, and QualComm SnapDrag will all run Win8. Dollars to donuts that once it shows up, there'll be a custom ROM for the Tegra 2. Cool new toys notwithstanding, I'll remind that by this time next year, the largest install base of ARM tablet will still be using Tegra 2. There is safety in numbers.
I'm interested myself
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With the new video of Win8 out today, I'm wondering how soon it'll get to running on the xoom. It will be an interesting summer contemplating the quad core tablets and the releases of Android 4.0 and Win8. Maybe we'll have to wait for the xoom2.
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Windows 8 does support Nvidia's Tegra 2, so it's not far fetch to think xoom owners can replace Android with Win8.
Windows 8 won't be out for another 18 months or so. By then, many Xoom owners will have upgraded to a different device, so this will be irrelevant.
It'll be sooner than that. The tablet market is heating up and all the Win 8 hype puts tremendous pressure on MS to get a product out the door as soon as possible. The announcement that Win 8 would be coming out in 2012 pretty much killed every single Win 7 tablet project that was still in the works. Desktops won't be affected much but notebook sales could be hurt, particularly towards the end of the year.
Whether or not Win 8 requires Tegra 2 or Tegra 3 to run will dictate if it can be run on the Xoom. I expect that it will be able to handle Tegra 2 but it won't be pretty. Its also not clear how MS will implement Windows on ARM. While there will definitely be versions of Win 8 on ARM that can be found, it wouldn't be surprising for Win 8 to be offered only on authorized hardware and heavily locked down.
Well, it's not like Win7 tabs are exactly breaking any sales record at the moment. And if notebook sales are down, it's because of the iPad, not of the Win8 announcement.
I do think the biggest loser from the Win8 announcement has to be HP's WebOS foray, though. It's hardly a coincidence that the MS announcement was just days before the intro of the WebOS flagship, the TouchPad. MS co-opted all of HP's thunder.
People would buy iPads because it's the market leader, and has wide support and mindshare. People would buy Android tabs because of its momentum in smartphones. And of course, people will buy Win8 because it's Windows. But what's a good reason to buy into the WebOS? Consumers ask, where are the apps. Devs ask, where is the market. Chicken-and-egg.
I doubt Win8 will be locked to specific vendors. That may work for tablets, but not for the desktop, which are built from disparate components. Windows' strength is its HAL (hardware abstraction layer), allowing MS to have only one version for the thousands of different devices. Balkanizing it as Android is at the moment would be a SKU management nightmare.
Moreover, dumping HAL would mean forgoing the huge upgrade market. There needs to be a standalone version, at least for the x86.
So, would MS only offer locked-down versions on the ARM? That would cripple Win8's chances on the ARM side, as users won't stand for an 'open' Win8 for x86, and 'closed' for ARM.
It will be interesting to get more answers from MS. I suspect that they are still trying to figure some of this out themselves, among many other questions. How would devs deal with Win8? Would they need to ship separate binaries, or one fat binaries? Would Win8 ARM support existing x86 drivers? It's a big can of worms.
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"Tomorrow" is actually true. MS is supposed to demo at least the interface of Win8 on ARM at Computex a day after the D9 intro.
TI OMAP4, Nvid Kal-El, and QualComm SnapDrag will all run Win8. Dollars to donuts that once it shows up, there'll be a custom ROM for the Tegra 2. Cool new toys notwithstanding, I'll remind that by this time next year, the largest install base of ARM tablet will still be using Tegra 2. There is safety in numbers.
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Well said!
Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?
Wish I could wait, but I must have the Fire. Maybe someone will get W8 running on the Fire, but with only 8GB to play with, it would be pretty crippled.
I am inclined to wait for Win8 but this Metro theme has me a little worried.
Windows 8 isn't open source so it wont be on the Kindle.
I think it will be a while before win 8 is finalized and ready to be shipped, (at least 6 months imo) I want win 8, but there's no way I can wait that long. Plus there is no way anything will compete with the Kindles price tag
Having a rooted NC eliminates any desire or need for the AF. Am curiously watching the development of Win8 though.
Agree with the above that it's extremely unlikely the AF can or will run Win8.
I highly doubt we'll see a Windows 8 tablet at $199.
Very true, unless the Win8 tablet were wi-fi only. Also, waiting on Win8 tablets will allow time for development on the Kindle Fire to ramp up.
Anyone see the lenovo? 250 for16gb gingerbread, and Google access.
I apologize for posting in the wrong thread. Scrolled down and found one dedicated to the a1.
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Looked up the lenovo A1 and from the specs I'd go with the Kindle Fire.
Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.
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Who is going to wait for the rumored Windows 8 OS on a Tablet?
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Seems they are polar opposite for premise, so not an apple to apple comparison.
Windows 8 will be a multi-faceted and scalable platform for tablets on up to desktops, where as Kindle is an iTunes clone with heavy emphasis on their cloud storage.
Perhaps the Kindle 2 or even 2.5 would be the better point for discussion, since about a year away from Windows 8 tablets.
Lol technically Windows 8 won't have to be opensource to run on tablets, with this rendition Microsoft is allowing it to run on ARM processors. Although, since the Fire supposedly has a TI OMAP chip, it may be unlikely.
It will make an interesting holiday season 2011. Apps on android are nice but full applications as used on Laptops or Desktops on a Windows 8 tablet would be refreshing. Now, if it'll only have a GSM radio for wireless web.
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Let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
Semantics I know but it's the way I see it.
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Well if the AF gets rooted.... It's a simple matter of adding Android APP store and the necessary SYNC-ing... I don't know how hard it will be as they have already said that they aren't actively stopping anyone. As far as space you could do like I did on my droid1 and delete the official ROM than install the new one from CR... Though I know a lot of people dislike this, its the way we used to do it. And if you have both the amazon cloud and the google cloud. And your android phone (if you have one). 200 ain't too bad a deal. Either way for the purpose of Ereading on the subway? And looking at the newspaper? I think this is suitable even at stock. For the rest I have a netbook a desktop a laptop a phone and and IPOD touch.
I think question isn't correct, cause win8 wasn't release. There will be the new Kindle when win8 will be ready.
Sorry for my bad english...
I was asking if anyone thinks waiting for Windows 8 devices is a good idea or not wait and get the Kindle fire now.
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Or just install Windows 8 on a 7 tablet
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Highly developed Android is good enough for Kindle fire and i don't except too much, maybe after i'm tired of Android, i will think about Windows
Oh god, does this thread actually exist? Are you new to planet Earth?
Welcome...
Microsoft is known for many things... Simplicity and stability are not two of them. "Ease of use" goes only as deep as the UI layer, which is thin.
Microsoft is also notorious for getting first releases wrong, then the next version would be tolerable, but still not great, and never perfect- win 95/win 98, Vista/win 7 would be just two examples. And this is by far microsoft's most ambitious leap.
Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
For consumers who want a tablet for casual use, they want it to just work... They don't want to need an MCSE or a friend to burden with support...
Note Apple wasn't silly enough to put a halloween costume on Mac OS and use that on their tablets...
IPads are successful because they are an escape from the groans and headaches of Windows, not just because they are tablets. The only thing different between them and ten prior years of "windows on a tablet" failures is that there's no Windows headaches on board.
People have already voted with their wallets, they want a simple OS that is stable, and runs cheap/free apps. It is microsoft themselves who paved the path for ipad success by making Windows too ambitious, therefore too complicated.
Putting ANOTHER layer on top of already-complex, already-heavy Windows is like a halloween costume... It tries to hide what's underneath, makes for a few oohs and aahs if done well, but that's fantasy... What's reality is what is under the costume.
Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
Instead, they are going to try to spread already "use-it-if-i-must" OS of the desktops of yesteryear in an impossibly ambitious direction.
...and, not only won't it be out for another year, but history shows us the first release won't be good... It'll be at least two years for a stable one that at least partially addresses criticisms, all the while the new mobile OS paradigm is shaping public expectation in a way that isn't Windows... No matter what halloween costume you put on the presentation layer.
Plus, haven't you seen the preview vids? It's a schizophrenic OS... MS apparently doesn't even have full confidence in the new UI: You must switch into legacy-windows-UI mode for certain things. Ugh.
I can't see anyone in 2014 doing anything but largely rejecting this, continuing Microsoft's legacy of "windows on a tablet" failures.
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I think it all depends on your money and if you can wait. ASUS said that in mid to late 2012 they will launch Win. 8 tablets. I don't see any decent ones coming before that. Win. 8 will be good, I'm excited (I don't care what you unbelievers say) but it'll be a while for a tablet to come out. The Fire is only $200. That means that after a year you will get your money's worth out of it and you would be able to get a beefier tablet once Win. 8 becomes available, since it's only available to developers and not the general public as of now. I'm getting the Fire and hold off for a better Win. 8 tablet in about 1 year and I would suggest that to others.
If you don't have the money to get both and you can wait, then wait for a Win. 8 tablet because they will be awesome. NVIDIA is launching the Tegra 3 later this year which is amazing. They will most likely launch another CPU for the Win. 8 tablets.
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Not to mention, the concept of "windows on a tablet" has failed for over 10 years... And those years having the advantage of the perception by most that Windows was the only OS on the planet, for most people.
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Plus, MS is wasting the opportunity they could have had with WP7...
the world has not only embraced simple mobile touch OS's, but the paradigm has shifted so people expect them.
...yet MS won't commit development to WP7 as their "we need to compete seriously with Android and iOS" operating system.
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In my opinion you are wrong! Win. 8 interface is based off of WP. 7 as far as I can tell. And you claim that they aren't developing for WP 7? What do you mean? Have you heard of the Mango update? It's a beast of an update! They are using WP. 7 as a base and optimizing it for a tablet. They aren't doing the normal windows things with the desktop and start menu. They see that WP. 7's metro is working and using that on Win. 8. And all of the videos say that they are excited for the release and if they weren't dedicated to make it awesome, why would they make it? Yes, they've screwed up in the past, but that they have learned from their mistakes and no OS is going to be bug proof, especially if you consider the amount of users that use Windows! The only reason that WP 7 hasn't taken off like Android and iPhone has is because there aren't a lot of phones available for it. Android took a couple of years to explode and it didn't hit big until the Droid phase, which isn't the first Android phone. Win. 8 will be good, just give it time.
Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Hey i have a question like when is the win 8 arm gonna come im tired of waiting already or is it possible to run any other microsoft os on acer iconia tab a500, or can you run win xp with qemu or something like that please help me really need it. thanks for all
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Nobody really knows when or.. now IF it will come.
Microsoft seems to be hitting issues with and there is not much news in this lately. Somewhere i read is to not expect it until mid 2013 if ever..
NO as far as running any windows os on the iconia. What ever qemu is. if thats a emulator i never seen one to work correctly..so its unlikely and if so would be very slow and buggy..
Sell your A 500.. GET A W500.. i have considered trying to trade mine..
ANYONE INTERESTED .
You can use an app like Splashtop to mirror what your home PC is doing. It will look like it's running Windows...
You can use some Win 8 wallpaper and replicate a Metro look
You can even change the Force Close message to "This program has ended unexpectedly...." AKA Exception Error, AKA General Protection Fault.
ive had this conversation so many times its not even funny.
Mainly, forget about it.
Chances are virtually nonexistant you'll be able to buy windows 8 ARM. Even if there was a way to legally port it, which there isn't, it'd still require a whole new set of drivers (which would be incredibly hard to create) and a proprietary, closed source pre-boot environmentwhich would need to bbe illegally modified to make the os run.
Its pretty much impossible without Microsoft helping, which you know they won't do.
And I also feel it nessarry to point out that you won't be able to run windows x86 programs on windows 8 arm, making it a largely useless platform - you only have access to metro apps, and/or windows phone 7 apps. Stay with android, you'll thank me later.
Android rom on windows hardware . CAN I PLEASE..
Can i install the update .zip .. rom from my tablet to my Windows 7 AMD FUSION Cpu notebook..
can i can i can iiiii can i please....
Windows 8 requirements to battle fragmentation:
http://uk.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleWeb3.aspx?regionid=4&articleid=1911699
Tegra 2 can run Windows 8 !
http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/tegra-2-cameos-at-ballmer-ces-keynote-with-windows-on-arm-demo/
@akram_1 - Your 2nd link refers to the Jan 2011, presentation at CES where MS talked about running Win 8 on a Tegra 2 Tablet but it got no further and as Erica Renee said in post above yours, the whole idea of that setup bit the dust during 2011 when MS decided to quietly back away from the idea.
In Jan 2012 again at CES, MS Windows Chief Marketing Officer demonstrated Win 8 on ARM but this was on a special one off unit using the Tegra 3 chip and Metro.
So please don't hold your breath waiting for Win 8 on ARM running on the A500 otherwise you'll end up in the Guiness Book of Records as the "A500 owner with the bluest face and least detectable pulse rate".
Windows 8 on ARM? Absolutely
Windows 8 on the A500? Highly unlikely
Apparently there will be Windows 8 tablets coming out by the holiday shopping season. If any device will be able to natively run either Android or Windows (or even both in a dual-boot environment), it would most likely be on a device designed and marketed for Windows. In fact, now that I think about it, Android 5 (Jellybean?) will be expected around the same time. Seeing how Android has matured over the last few years, I expect this next version to blow us away. With any hopeful wishing, some tablet manufacturers may release the same hardware built to run both Windows and Android and sell them side-by-side. For example, a hypothetical Acer A900 and W900 would be exactly the same hardware, only difference being the OS, in which case they might just name such a tablet the T900A and T900W. Of course, this is just speculation. Also, I'm expecting a lot of these next-gen tablets to copy the design of the Transformer and Transformer Prime. These tablets will ship with a dock, and the UI will change according to how it's being used. In tablet mode, it will be in the Metro UI, then switch to a more familiar Windows UI when docked. If the hardware is being used interchangeably between Windows and Android, maybe Jellybean will feature different UI's based on which mode is being used. Take Cornerstone for example. Speculation once again, but this is what I'd like to see.
But yeah, as far as Windows on the A500... keep dreaming
Better luch if MS makes a tablet with a arm processor and some no decides to port it. Then you would have wp7 or whatever version they call it. I think right now that is the best you could hope for.
I agree with the above for the most part. I do belive Microsoft under estimated the efforts they would need to put into getting windows to run On arm.When and well If They do get a releasable product
(1) It will surely have one of the 3 fallowing problems . It will maybe run windows LIKE!!! programs And suck battery life.(BAD BAD AND A FAIL)
(2) It will Run windows Program like But be so Huge because of the extra batteries it will be to heavy to be useable.(Like the Current win 7 tabs.To big or no battery life.) This to would BE A BIG FAT FAIL.
(3) It will be a extension of the win phone operating system. The one that people complain about and toss and run back to android. Closed SOURCE very little development for it. Few but expensive apps.. WELL NOTHING MORE TO SAY BUT..
THIS TO IS A Near FAIL . They are huge and bulky or die Quickly..
I have 3 friends that have them. and pack charger and spair battery with them all the time..
The above are what i have been reading all over the web in one form or another..I also think there is something going on in the background behind peoples back.. I THINK LOCKING Devices to the installed OS will eventually be a non flash-able rom chip. with a secondary rom to incorporate updates and fixes to the first.. This would make devices obsolete much Quicker. Its becoming harder and harder for developers to break the boot loaders on these devices.
THE BOOT LOADER and its magic .. i feel is the reason acer has not release ICS. AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL NOT UNTIL THE FIX THIS
Just my Opinion. from what i have read over the last few months . There should be a international Protest NOt TO ACER OR ASUS or samsung .. BUT TO THE WORLD MANUFACTURERS. To get a law to disallow them to lock down NON CONTRACT DEVICES....
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
install win8 on ipad2? you're kidding, right?
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Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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Just a quick question, what is it you are wanting to do?
im not sure if you quite understand what is going on with Splashtop , your not installing Windows 8, your using a remote VM that's streamed to your ipad.
besides that, Win 8 ARM isn't available to us, its not a retail product, we have no idea how hard it is going to be to rip out the OS and install it on other devices, or indeed if its possible at all
What you could try, and I don't have an ipad so I cant be sure it would work, is use a web service such as logmein,
setup a win 8 desktop somewhere, then install logmein, if your ipad will allow it log on to the logmein service and connect to your Win 8 desktop, technically you now have a crude version of Splashtops product
OptimusLove said:
Hello guys! I have an iPad 2 (I dont know if apple talk is even allowed here) but what I want to do is to install Windows 8 on non-jailbroken iPad 2 with iOS 5.0.1 for free. Spashtops paid offer is unfair since Windows slate users can get it for free. So where do I get win8 for free?
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First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
??? how will that work ???
How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
This will never be possible =[
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First of all, Apple doesn't even let you transfer any sort of files except media on their devices. Secondly, if you could manage to get something on there using SSH or something, you can't execute it at bootup. This proves yet a impossible thing to install Windows 8 on iPad but who knows? Someone can prove me wrong and put Win 8 on iPad. That would be awesome as I also own a iPad (1st-Gen).
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Not to mention that iBoot is very particular about what it downloads during recovery.
Cogixo: it's possible with both Mac and Windows PCs, Bootcamp and Hackintoshing (respectively). But on Apple's ARM based tablet? Probably not (in fact, definitely not going to be too possible)
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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Kabayan, it is possible but the hardware is not compatible, you have been seeing windows 8 running on iPad but it was a remote session, using ipad to control another PC running windows 8. AFAIK, there was no single project being produced installing windows 8 in iPad. Splashtop's tool is being used to connect an iPad to a Windows 8 PC, making an illusion of running windows 8 on ipad.
there are windows 8-based tablets in the market now(samsung, ehem) amd windows 7-based tablets can also accommodate windows 8.
if you have enough funds, you can commission few programmers to make a hacked wiindows 8 pc(arm version is better) to make the sources of it compatible to iPad.
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I had to explain the same thing to my friend who switched from iOS to Android and asked me why he couldn't use Java when "cloud browse for iOS could". Had to explain to him that all he was seeing was a Linux system shunting the images from the java site to his iPod.
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:laugh: this is kind of joke.... :laugh:
hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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hA....... Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Do some people think first? I'm gonna have to use this one at work.....
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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I like the idea of Steve jobs perpetually rolling around and around and around in his grave
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LOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!
If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
Put DOS on your macbook. U can really do it for free)
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How will that work? I mean Apple and Windows on a machine?
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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DavidinCT said:
If this is possable, I will go to the store and buy a iPad just for this use....
As I am not interested in it for iOS (sorry fanboys)
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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While there is quite a lot of misinformation in your post, as I don't have a laptop at the minute, I'll only point out a few.
One, your using "vaporware" to describe metro apps on a system currently in active development. This is like you releasing a program currently in development and people calling it vaporware during it's beta release because there's no plugins "yet". Metro applications do exist and are growing in number.
Two, Microsoft has stated many times that RT would not run standard windows applications and I'm sure that will be in the advertising for the surface RT as well. Metro has enough apps for your causal tablet user. If casual joe wants standard windows applications, he'll buy a Surface Pro.
Three, Microsoft stated that Windows 8 was not going to have so many editions in this release. Not to mention that Windows 8 on a Surface Pro and RT (and probably WP8) will run the same Metro applications. Windows 8 on a surface pro will run the same applications as the normal computer.
Four, Microsoft is probably not going to scrap Metro. They've got enough of a user base on Windows 8 (since Developers Preview) to have enough information about metro. IMHO, if there was to be any inclination to scrap metro, we would've seen it in Release Preview with an on/off switch. Besides, they've put so much work into the interface and making that interface unified across their services and software.
As I said, I would write more if it weren't for the fact that I'm currently in the process of a move and my laptop's charger died on me.
No offense is meant by my post here, just thought I'd clear up some confusion that you seem to have.
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pflatlyne said:
The thing is,questions like this show why the Surface is going to be a trainwreck. Windows on Apple hardware was done. First by some guy with quite a bit of talent and skill,then by apple themselves. The thing is,most endusers are so clueless they dont realize why this was possible OR why it was difficult.
It was possible of course becuase the newer apple hardware really IS PC hardware with a slightly different EFI firmware. Therefore running windows on it is possible.
The thing is,there are TWO versions of the Surface,and TWO version of windows 8,which are both completely different. One version of the surface is an ARM based tablet,and it runs a special ARM windows. It needs to run special ARM windows software and cant run normal apps. They call it Windows 8 RT. (presumably for RISC Tablet or RISC Technology)
Then there is the Pro version. It runs "real" windows 8,and can run normal windows programs. Its like a PC in a tablet form factor and will use an Intel Atom CPU. It also costs almost twice as much.
This will confuse people. They will go buy the RT tablet,thinking they can run all the WIndows software and be very angry and dissapointed when they find out the expensive tablet they bought is "useless". Microsofts promises of vast amounts of Metro enabled vaporware wont cut it.
Many of those people will probably STILL not understand. They will think that "Windows 8 wont run your old WIndows programs" and not only wont buy Windows 8 for their PC,they wont even buy a new PC becuase they will think that Windows 8 does not run their software. They saw it with their own eyes,and the guy at windows tech support told them that,or at least thats what they THINK they were told,the guy was hard to understand. Those people will be very angry at Microsoft. Macs will get a nice shot in the arm from this,after all,if you have to buy all new software,then Microsofts lost its barrier to people switching. Perception IS reality in this case.
In the end,this wont kill MS or anything,but they will have to spend a fortune to undo the damage. They will have to run commericals to explain the difference. The RT tablets will dissapear not long after they are released. MS will try to salvage the Windows 8 Pro tablet line. That will anger the people that shelled out 600 dollars for a new tablet and te OEMs that are dumb enough to jump on the bandwagon. (Apperantly HP is one such company thats dumb enough)
Thats not getting into the UI. Windows 8 probably works as well as anything else on a tablet,but it sucks on a desktop.
I expect to see the Metro UI dialed back or eliminated in the Windows 9,which should basically be a rebadged version of 8 with Metro turned off and a normal windows desktop. It will probably drop around early to mid 2014. Service pack one will probably make Metro default to off as well,at least for newly installed machines.
The worst thing will be the confusion. There are too many things they are coming out with called "windows 8". My mother cant even figure out how to create a new document and has to call me every time she does it. How is she going to keep "Windows 8 RT on a Surface","Windows 8 on a Surface pro","Windows 8 Home","windows 8 professional","Windows 8 Ultimate" and "Windows 8 Phone" strait. Which one runs what software again? thats the thing,it used to be,if it ran windows,it ran windows software. People understood that. They also came to understand that really old versions of software that ran on older versions of windows might not run on newer computers with their newer versions of windows. (Although they didnt understand why). This is going to be too much for end users to keep track of.
Now for the real question. Is it theoretically possible to put Windows 8 RT,the ARM version on a I-Pad. The answer is,yes,but it wont happen. Apple does not use standard chips like ,say the HP Touchpad. The chipset is different. The drivers wont exist for a i-Pad and its not a trivial thing to write them. Now,tablets like the Touchpad might someday have a custom Windows 8 RT rom for them. Thats becuase they use a qualcom chipset used in dozens of other devices. As such,its quite likely that drivers for the hardware will exist for Windows 8 RT for those tablets. This is how they were able to port Android to the Touchpad. Even that is a huge undertaking. Its almost a year later and its working quite well but its still not finished and many things (like the camera) do not work right.
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Im not a fanboi but I question why you would want Windows 8 RT. Its going to be a disaster. You might as well run webOS. There are two tablets operating systems right now that are successful and then there are the also-rans. The ones no one in their right mind will pay 500 dollars for.
Theres Android,and theres iOS. Thats it. In fact,many android users would rather have a iPad but its too expensive. Thats both good and bad for android. If you look at it one way,maybe 1/3 of Android users are people who would rather have the competitions product but could not afford it. On the other hand,perhaps 1/3 of Android users were potential Apple customers who were swayed by the lower price and better value of Android tablets. Windows RT however is just like WebOS. Its something thats not an iPad,costs as MUCH as an iPad and is not as GOOD as an iPad.
You can beat apple by being as good as an iPad and being far cheaper. You can beat apple by costing as much as an iPad and being far better. However,you cant beat apple by being as good as an iPad and costing as much as one,becuase at the end of the day,Apple has one thing going for it,its product IS an iPad. Thats the one most people want. Microsoft is trying to beat Apple by selling a product that costs as much or more than an iPad,and is not as good as one. (HP tried it too) Now before the fanbois start flaming me,let me say,I dont think Windows 8 RT or WebOS worked nearly as well as Android or iOS,but lets just say they are actually a little better. Thats the thing,they are a little better,but not a lot better,on their own. But then there are apps. The tablet is worthless without apps. WebOS has hardly any. Windows 8 hardly has any. Therefore the iPad and Android are better.
A little better with the promise of some vaporware in the future wont do it. You need apps,and you need them NOW,or you at least have to convince people that you have a winner. You can do it if your just WAY better. But if your just a little better,or the same,or even worse,then no one will make apps,so no one will buy it,so no one will make apps (becuase theres no one to buy them)
Android can compete with iOS becuase for some people,Android is better. Its more open. For others,the closed nature of the iPad is "better". Windows 8RT however has all the disadvantages of iOS with none of the benefits.
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i disagree with you completely, just cause something has changed doesnt mean it is bad, metro is an amazing UI for both touch and keyboard and mouse, sure it takes some getting use to but it will always be like that and i dont think you have even tried windows 8, the windows store already has a bunch of metro apps and the os isnt even released as a final product yet. as for windows rt, i feel that will succeed because it is enough for average joe blow to browse the web and play some small games, and even if you need to run pc programs, im 100% sure there will be emulation for x86/x64 programs whether its native or its from a third party company like vmware.
tbh you are being a fanboy so please dont lie to yourself by saying you're not, you're comparing an unreleased os to a failed os because webos doesnt have any apps and windows 8 doesnt have many in its current state and on top of that, you're defending current tablet os's at every chance you get just because they have more apps
heck the reason you NEED an app to do something on ios and android is because you cant do much with the built in apps, have you tried using facebook's desktop site on your android tablet, the experience is terrible, nothing clicks right, you cant hover over drop menus, ect. while on IE10 everything works the way it should, it doesnt freezee or try to click something behind a drop menu, everything just works
and yes i am being a fanboy, windows 8 is the future for mobile computing, especially when there are going to be so many hybrid laptop tablets coming out in the near future, windows 8 would have done what the ipad and android tabs have failed to do, kill the laptop
I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
mtmerrick said:
I agree with you completely pflatlyne, though as previously stated there are many inaccuracies in your post.
One thing I want to point out that hasn't been already corrected: the SurfacePro will run an x64 inter i-Core series CPU, not an Atom
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but it could do, future Atoms will be developed and improved uppon, there is no technically reason Win8 Pro wont run on an Atom or an i7!
infact id put money it there being mid level devices released some time after the initial release to fill the void between ARM and i5 although in saying that there is apparently only 10w difference between the two so perhaps new i3s will become the new Atom ultra low watt SKUs
Hi guys,
I just read that they announced in the dev conference that windows will be free for 9" and less..
I am not able to confirm if this is for WP or x86 full blown Windows.?
If it includes Full Windows, where do the 8" tablets like dell venue 8 pro stand?
Also I keep hearing it as widows with bing or internet of things.. isn't this basically an arm version or WP again?? or is it a re-branded RT version?
Whats the point of it??
Or are they basically trying to say WP is free for manufacturers while full Windows is still chargeable??
Phones <9", no? In any case, phones were explicitly mentioned as free. Even before now, it was leaked that a couple of regional carriers in India got WP for free, which means the multinational vendors obviously had the same (or better) deal.
And even before that, it was blatantly obvious that with Nokia's monopoly of the WP market, which is now part of MS, no vendor would bother playing unless the entry cost was zero (or better). Note that WP has now abolished physical spec requirements, allowing vendors to repurpose their Android models for WP with minimal effort.
BTW, "full" Windows is a moving target, so don't take it as gospel. From the grapevine, future Win will bifurcate into two base SKUs, one with desktop and one without (nee Windows RT). Reportedly these will be platform-agnostic, ie x86 will also sport a sans-desktop version, and what was previously RT will simply be the ARM port but without the branding. "Free" Win can conceivably be only for the sans-desktop version, ie for consumption-only devices, while productivity devices (10"+) will still sport the MS tax.
But that's in the future (read: Win9). Yes, for this year, free Win will mean the "full" x86 Win that is being shoehorned into mini-tabs. This isn't out of generosity, but because it's all MS has at the moment to push mobiles with.
All this is subject to change. How much of Win will be free will likely depend on adoption rate of 8.x this year. If it continues to crater, then MS can step up the freebies to offset. If adoption picks up, MS can tighten the gift bag.
The point? Selling Windows on mobiles, what else? MS first effort, in pushing premium hardware like Surface and expensive 2n1's, has flopped like a fish. The second try is predicated on low price, starting with the ill-fated $300 8" tabs. That didn't fly either, so now comes the last-ditch effort of "free."
We'll see how well OEMs bite. New product intros coming in late summer & fall should be good indicators. HP's response in particular will be noteworthy.
e.mote said:
Phones <9", no? In any case, phones were explicitly mentioned as free. Even before now, it was leaked that a couple of regional carriers in India got WP for free, which means the multinational vendors obviously had the same (or better) deal.
And even before that, it was blatantly obvious that with Nokia's monopoly of the WP market, which is now part of MS, no vendor would bother playing unless the entry cost was zero (or better). Note that WP has now abolished physical spec requirements, allowing vendors to repurpose their Android models for WP with minimal effort.
BTW, "full" Windows is a moving target, so don't take it as gospel. From the grapevine, future Win will bifurcate into two base SKUs, one with desktop and one without (nee Windows RT). Reportedly these will be platform-agnostic, ie x86 will also sport a sans-desktop version, and what was previously RT will simply be the ARM port but without the branding. "Free" Win can conceivably be only for the sans-desktop version, ie for consumption-only devices, while productivity devices (10"+) will still sport the MS tax.
But that's in the future (read: Win9). Yes, for this year, free Win will mean the "full" x86 Win that is being shoehorned into mini-tabs. This isn't out of generosity, but because it's all MS has at the moment to push mobiles with.
All this is subject to change. How much of Win will be free will likely depend on adoption rate of 8.x this year. If it continues to crater, then MS can step up the freebies to offset. If adoption picks up, MS can tighten the gift bag.
The point? Selling Windows on mobiles, what else? MS first effort, in pushing premium hardware like Surface and expensive 2n1's, has flopped like a fish. The second try is predicated on low price, starting with the ill-fated $300 8" tabs. That didn't fly either, so now comes the last-ditch effort of "free."
We'll see how well OEMs bite. New product intros coming in late summer & fall should be good indicators. HP's response in particular will be noteworthy.
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so if I understood you correctly this is what you saying will mostly happen..
1) WP >> FREE
2) Windows for media consumption ( which will mostly be only Metro apps ) >> FREE
3) Full Windows capable of running Professional apps ( Metro + Dektop ) >> PAID
1) WP is already free. That was how MS managed to corral all those new "OEM partners" at MWC earlier this year. It probably has been for a while.
2) x86 Win is officially free starting now, but my guess is that it was already free starting with the mini-tab crop. Note that this applies only to OEMs. It isn't free for end-users as a standalone piece of software. Speaking of which, with current emphasis on clouds and services, retail standalone version will likely cease to exist going forward. OS images will still be around for business & enterprise customers.
3) For now, there is still only one base version of Windows (incl legacy aka "desktop"). Whether MS detaches the legacy component into a separate "paid" SKU is still a matter of conjecture (that's what the rumor sez anyway.) OOH, the pressure to find new revenue stream is high; OTOH, pushing legacy into "paid" will incur the ire of the vast Windows userbase. It will probably happen at some point, but not immediately with Win9 next year.
To be clear, the only difference between "free" and "paid" is slightly cheaper Win toys, since the cost (or lack of) is subsumed into the overall device cost. It's not a dramatic difference.
MS has many different options to monetize, now that SaaS is in play. But the first order of business is still to get people to buy into 8.x. My guess is that there'll be a second update in the fall--probably with the Start Menu--to goose holiday sales.
You're missing a CRITICAL part: Free to OEMs. You can't get a free copy of Win8.2 for your DVP8 and then put it on your homebuilt desktop or some such thing.
On the other hand, the desktop doesn't appear to be going anywhere on DVP8, and if Dell wanted to release a new DVP8.1, they would now be able to get the OEM copies of Windows for it free of charge. They would still have to pay for the copies to install on DVP11s or some such...
Not sure why this is confusing. The announcement was straightforward enough.
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You're missing a CRITICAL part: Free to OEMs. You can't get a free copy of Win8.2 for your DVP8 and then put it on your homebuilt desktop or some such thing.
On the other hand, the desktop doesn't appear to be going anywhere on DVP8, and if Dell wanted to release a new DVP8.1, they would now be able to get the OEM copies of Windows for it free of charge. They would still have to pay for the copies to install on DVP11s or some such...
Not sure why this is confusing. The announcement was straightforward enough.
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I realise its for the OEMs but technically wont it mean DVP users and similar 8" tablet owners will be getting windows updates for life ( W9 W10 etc)??? since they are getting windows copies for free???
and my doubt was how non power users will simply opt for tabelts and run their normal apps by extending it multple monitors and stuff via miracast of hdmi out or some other setup...
Isnt MS loosing money cause of this??
What part of OEM is confusing? End users are not OEMs. They *may* end up getting free upgrades (although in time their hardware will of course become obsolete, but so far both 8.1 and 8.1u1 have been free upgrades) but that's not promised here. This is just to ensure that OEMs don't switch to stop shipping small Windows devices on account of the price (Android being the obvious competitor).
As for "MS loosing[sic] money" that's kind of a weird question to answer. Obviously, it doesn't directly cost them anything to provide software licenses. However, it does have an opportunity cost which is basically "how much money could they have made by charging for the copies instead?" and if they opportunity costs are high enough, they could fail to recoup their investment in developing the next version. With that said, though, remember that small, touch-centric Win8.x devices are the ideal use case for Windows Store apps... of which which MS gets a cut from every sale. So they could end up making more money this way, because there will be more small Win8 evices sold than there otherwise would be and therefore more people buying Store apps. Time will tell.