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http://briefmobile.com/guaranteed-android-updates-for-18-months
Google announced at I/O that a bunch of partners have agreed to update all devices that are capable to the latest Android version within 18 months! And also ICS is going to be released Q4 this year...
My thought is that Motorola has been waiting on ICS hopefully rather than GB, though either way we'll have ICS before the pseudo-apocalypse!
EDIT: Article has a typo, actual statement was that updates will be guaranteed for all new and capable devices for 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
18 months.. that's more than a year and a half.. lol by that time i'd have a phone that has the latest version :|. possibly an unlocked bootloader as well lol
We've at least been told by Moto that we'll get Gingerbread and an unlocked bootloader this year, and I believe that is still a reasonable claim
Yeah, 18 months to upgrade this thing to 2.3? If they would unlock the phone and release the code it would be done in a few days by the dev community.
KefkaticFanatic said:
http://briefmobile.com/guaranteed-android-updates-for-18-months
Google announced at I/O that a bunch of partners have agreed to update all devices that are capable to the latest Android version within 18 months! And also ICS is going to be released Q4 this year...
My thought is that Motorola has been waiting on ICS hopefully rather than GB, though either way we'll have ICS before the pseudo-apocalypse!
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The key here is "within 18 months"! I believe this offers nothing, as most of us will have moved on to new devices before we have had them for 18 months after release. Now, if they said within 6 months, then we would know that whenever we bought a new device the most we would have to wait for the latest update would be 6 months.
"Good news for Android users waiting for updates: this kind of long wait and anticipation game may finally be over. Google’s announced at I/O 2011 that a plethora of partners (seen above) will be giving the latest Android updates to all devices in the future within eighteen months. The only catch is that updates will be received only “if the device can handle it.”
Sounds like good news for developers worrying about fragmentation. But, users will also be able to reap the benefits as carriers and manufacturers are more forcefully pushed towards updates."
KefkaticFanatic said:
We've at least been told by Moto that we'll get Gingerbread and an unlocked bootloader this year, and I believe that is still a reasonable claim
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not really..
The article is wrong and misquoted the announcement. If you watched the keynote you'd have seen what they really said.
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
Updates provided for 18 months, not within 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
CaelanT said:
The key here is "within 18 months"! I believe this offers nothing, as most of us will have moved on to new devices before we have had them for 18 months after release. Now, if they said within 6 months, then we would know that whenever we bought a new device the most we would have to wait for the latest update would be 6 months.
"Good news for Android users waiting for updates: this kind of long wait and anticipation game may finally be over. Google’s announced at I/O 2011 that a plethora of partners (seen above) will be giving the latest Android updates to all devices in the future within eighteen months. The only catch is that updates will be received only “if the device can handle it.”
Sounds like good news for developers worrying about fragmentation. But, users will also be able to reap the benefits as carriers and manufacturers are more forcefully pushed towards updates."
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It's not updating to latest within 18 months...
Its updating to lastest version quickly.. FOR the first 18 months.. so you might get multi updatas in that 18 months.. but arnt promised anything after the phone has been out for 18 months... all in all pretty good news for us though... att and Motorola are partners with google on it.
I'll be happy when I finally get at least ONE "Official update" from Bell. (and more importantly a stock SBF to fall back on already!)
Hopefully Bell can figure out how to do that in 18 months...
shriva said:
It's not updating to latest within 18 months...
Its updating to lastest version quickly.. FOR the first 18 months.. so you might get multi updatas in that 18 months.. but arnt promised anything after the phone has been out for 18 months... all in all pretty good news for us though... att and Motorola are partners with google on it.
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It makes a lot of sense. 18 months is getting close to the life of a phone. So they keep you updated, then make you buy a new one when you can renew your contract.
I guess it works out well for both parties? We get updates frequently for most of the life of our phones, but they still get their upgrades.
Thanks bwshockley for clearing that up!
Heck, they announced. "Ice cream" for Q4 2011.. Atrix may even get that!
Can't wait till they let us know what timely/quickly means though.. but its going in the right direction.. google doing something at least to get them to update quicker.
It also say NEW devices will be supported, that would mean the Atrix would not actually fall under the new guidelines i.e. there would be no guarantee that it'll get Ice Cream Sandwich. Gingerbread is guaranteed only because they specifically stated it a while back, but when is completely up to Moto.
Yea I see. Silly misinterpretation. That's what I get for taking a bagel break away from the live stream!
However, I still believe that we'll get GB and perhaps even ICS by the end of this year. And if not, the bootloader will hopefully be unlocked so we won't have to worry about it.
Yeah I don't see them waiting for ICS to do a version upgrade, by then, a fair amount of people will have looked at other devices.
1/5 stars for misinformation. Please update op to say this is speculation.
bwshockley said:
The article is wrong and misquoted the announcement. If you watched the keynote you'd have seen what they really said.
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
Updates provided for 18 months, not within 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
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I stand corrected! Muchos gracias!
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Someone ask this on the official support forums for the atrix.
bearsfan172 said:
It makes a lot of sense. 18 months is getting close to the life of a phone. So they keep you updated, then make you buy a new one when you can renew your contract.
I guess it works out well for both parties? We get updates frequently for most of the life of our phones, but they still get their upgrades.
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Actually upgrades work in our favor since they dont make crap on the phone. They only make money on the data service which is outrageously priced.
Rule of thumb.
Buy Google Flagship or htc to get all the upgrade love.
I hope moto dies.
It's been bothering me that a lot of people don't think the atrix is going to get an official ice cream sandwich update.
I decided to make this thread to consolidate any discussion or questions about the future update.
The android carrier alliance promises that any device will be updated to the newest version of android for 18 months after its release (if its hardware allows it).
Three points to make:
1) Since ICS is being released in oct/nov, the 18 months portion of the agreement becomes null and void. The atrix is within the timeframe.
2) The nexus S is getting ICS, and since the hardware in the atrix is superior (dual core processor, battery, etc), the atrix can receive the ICS update.
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
All these signs point me to believe that the atrix is for sure getting ICS. What're your thoughts?
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Also I think the Atrix Dev Team will be handing their CM7 build over to Cyanogenmod for nightlis and it will be an official CM device. And if that happens, when Cyanogenmod makes CM8 with ICS we'll get it the I'd guess.
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Who gives a crap.
Didn't they announce that after the release of the Atrix ? Or does that not matter?
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I think my thread was cooler.
I voided my warranty.
Magnetox said:
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
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I think that while Google's purchase/buyout seems like it may benefit Android users. I also feel that it will not give any benefits until long after the Atrix has passed it's sell by date. Mergers and acquisitions take time to complete. Systems have to be integrated on a large scale, and corporate policies realized in the acquired business. I think Google's initial focus will be on patents, and secondary long term focus will then be Android, and how they can take the lions share of the marketplace with smart devices (not just phones). Give it 2 years at least in my opinion before we see a big swing.
This is almost the exact same thing I said over in the Motorola Forums (or maybe I said it here, I can't remember). It seems people expect things to change immediately but probably don't realize it's not even a done deal yet as of this posting. There still needs to be an investigation and approvals and all that. Like you said, it could be a couple years before any changes (within Motorola's camp anyways) becomes noticeable.
CaelanT said:
I think that while Google's purchase/buyout seems like it may benefit Android users. I also feel that it will not give any benefits until long after the Atrix has passed it's sell by date. Mergers and acquisitions take time to complete. Systems have to be integrated on a large scale, and corporate policies realized in the acquired business. I think Google's initial focus will be on patents, and secondary long term focus will then be Android, and how they can take the lions share of the marketplace with smart devices (not just phones). Give it 2 years at least in my opinion before we see a big swing.
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Also, it seems people forget that Motoblur exists on Motorola devices. Unless they actually convert the Blur service into a full on application platform I don't see an "Official" ICS build coming to the Atrix until at least 6 months after Google releases the code for it. Our best bet lies within the great devs we have here in the community. Which reminds me, everyone, stop complaining about updates!
live4nyy said:
This is almost the exact same thing I said over in the Motorola Forums (or maybe I said it here, I can't remember). It seems people expect things to change immediately but probably don't realize it's not even a done deal yet as of this posting. There still needs to be an investigation and approvals and all that. Like you said, it could be a couple years before any changes (within Motorola's camp anyways) becomes noticeable.
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Here's the thing, yes Google will have a flava of it sitting around that XDA can port over.
The real question is what's the ETA with the carriers?
For instance my Motorola Milestone didn't have "Froyo" ready until the end of March this year, and it was a half-assed effort put together by Telus. Then shortly after, they discontinued the phone.
I agree that XDA users will have a port of ICS through CM7, but for OTA who knows when that will be?...
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Magnetox said:
It's been bothering me that a lot of people don't think the atrix is going to get an official ice cream sandwich update.
I decided to make this thread to consolidate any discussion or questions about the future update.
The android carrier alliance promises that any device will be updated to the newest version of android for 18 months after its release (if its hardware allows it).
Three points to make:
1) Since ICS is being released in oct/nov, the 18 months portion of the agreement becomes null and void. The atrix is within the timeframe.
2) The nexus S is getting ICS, and since the hardware in the atrix is superior (dual core processor, battery, etc), the atrix can receive the ICS update.
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
All these signs point me to believe that the atrix is for sure getting ICS. What're your thoughts?
Cheers
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Your first point is completely wrong. They guaranteed updates to the phone, but never specifically to the "latest version" of android released. IE you will get security/bug fix updates, but not necessarily updates to the base OS. Secondly, this only applies to phones released AFTER the agreement. Also, google is merely urging NOT requiring them. So basically, all this agreement leads to is that future devices will have a minimum of an 18 month support cycle, nothing more.
Right after we get GB, people start asking for ICS...
This even shows more proof that we, as human, will never be satisfied with what we got.
which can be both good and bad..
tian105 said:
Right after we get GB, people start asking for ICS...
This even shows more proof that we, as human, will never be satisfied with what we got.
which can be both good and bad..
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There are no humans here, only Androids and Androids are selfish.
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I read this...sounds like we are going to be seeing it next month...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41975/android-ice-cream-sandwich-release-date
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Mac11700 said:
I read this...sounds like we are going to be seeing it next month...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41975/android-ice-cream-sandwich-release-date
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my bday is next month lol and this would make a great gift comming from googrola
tian105 said:
my bday is next month lol and this would make a great gift comming from googrola
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I saw this on my b-day yesterday...
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Here is news worthy information that came across my inbox.
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Android 5.0 Jelly Bean may arrive as early as Q2 2012, supply chain sources claim, with Google apparently integrating Chrome OS functionality for dual-boot tablets and netbooks. Those aren’t the search giant’s only dual-OS ambitions, however; insiders tell DigiTimes that Google is pushing Android 5.0 and Windows 8 hybrids to its manufacturing partners, for notebooks, netbooks and tablets that offer the best of both platforms.
Although Google is yet to comment significantly on whether Ice Cream Sandwich has met its expectations in the market, it’s clear that Android 4.0 is yet to gain a significant foothold. According to Google’s own stats, as of February 1 2012 only 1-percent of devices were running ICS, with the majority still on Android 2.3.x Gingerbread.
The dual-booting Android 5.0 Jelly Bean and Windows 8 machines will be able to hot-swap between the two platforms, the sources indicate, rather than demanding a reboot each time. That would give users the opportunity to use Android for its web-centric functionality and speed, while switching to Windows would offer the various legacy and business apps many users still demand. Update: It’s worth remembering that Microsoft’s Windows 8 hardware requirements apparently block second OS installation on ARM-based PCs by users, thanks to a locked Secure Boot system, though it’s unclear whether OEMs are permitted to do so before the hardware leaves the factory. [Thanks Richard!]
Google is supposedly seeing Android 5.0 as a second chance at the notebook and netbook markets, Chrome OS failing to grab attention as expected, though the tipsters warn that the response to Ice Cream Sandwich has left some partners “conservative” about the new platform.
Part of Google’s challenge is encouraging timely OS updates among vendors. Motorola revealed its timescale for upgrading US Android devices yesterday, with most not expected to see Ice Cream Sandwich until Q3 2012 or later.
Dual booting Android and Windows 8 from the factory? I doubt it. Would be pretty cool, though. Save us a lot on the hacking side of things
Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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lorddart said:
Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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I completely agree with you, but it seems like 5.0 will be for notebooks and netbooks, like honeycomb was for tablets.
i'll stick to even numbered releases (2.x, 4.x, etc.)
yea, it would really help if manufacturers would quit spending 6 months modding the OS before even possibly releasing it to their devices. But the problem is that they make their money by selling the latest greatest hardware which is more difficult if you can get the latest greatest version of the OS on older hardware. I'm running a Vibrant that now has ICS on it thanks to all the independent devs out there that in my mind are the reason android has done as well as it has. If google REALLY wants their newer version to be adopted, they would put clauses in their contracts that limits the amount of customization a manufacturer can do and requires them to justify delays past a certain period of time between G's release of a version and the manufacturer's release of it to all devices that meet requirements that would accompany each release from G.
But none of this is going to happen LOL.
One of the things that really burns me on this topic is that of all the mods that the manufacturers put on that I've used... none of them actually enhance the experience much if at all.
Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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lol there is hardly any info as it is, you would have to wait a little longer for more specific details to be released.
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Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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Yea, you have to remember that this has been TIPPED, so what little details we have now aren't even going to be very reliable.
efore Ice Cream Sandwich has managed to reach more than 1% of Android devices, reports are suggesting that its successor, Android 5.0 ‘Jelly Bean’, could launch as soon as June.
The news comes in the form of a Digitimes report, which is known for being hit-and-miss with its accuracy, but cites supply chain sources that state the search giant will seek to release its new Android platform to provide competition to Microsoft’s new Windows 8 operating system, which will debut in the third quarter.
With Android 5.0 thought to deliver yet more features for tablet devices, Taiwanese suppliers are already to deliver dual-OS tablets and notebooks, which will be able to instantly switch between Google’s and Microsoft’s mobile-friendly platforms.
Despite officially launching with the release of the Galaxy Nexus at the end of last year, Ice Cream Sandwich has yet to reach the majority of new Android smartphones and is only expected to receive a boost in take-up when the world’s biggest mobile vendors release new devices at Mobile World Congress, commencing at the end of the month.
By February, Gingerbread (in particular versions Android versions 2.3.3 - 2.3.7) accounted for 58.6% of Android gadgets, while the latest flavour accounted for just one percent of devices.
It is believed that Google will use its new Android release to galvanise its re-entry into the notebook and netbook markets, after Chromebook sales failed to take off. As a result, Google’s partners are reported to be “conservative” about utilising the new platform.
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Well, this isn't very much Wildfire related as official support from CyanogenMod ended at Gingerbread, and this will be, by the looks of it, just for tablets and notebooks.
Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
Oh I don't think it will become official, sorry to say, time to move on folks
... But if it does, congrats.
I do miss my wildfire though. But i got my SGS on a cheap contract $30 a month so couldn't pass it up.
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apollopayne said:
That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
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But then the camera doesn't work on many ICS roms.
Even if we don't get official support we got ErwinP
Hes doing a pretty good job with it.
It was smooth enough when i OC'ed to 652Mhz.
Even tho ICS is mostly in the beta stage for the EVO 4G,Android 5.0 might be pushed out in the summer to beat windows to the punch on the realese of windows 8 for tablets so soon we might get some new goodies for Evo 4g and other devices.
Not likely, though Google execs implied that it could be rolling out in the fall.
"After Android 4 comes 5, and we haven't announced the timing yet, which we're still sorting out," Lockheimer said in an interview with Computerworld on Monday. "There's a lot of engineering work still behind it -- and there's also the question of how to time it.
"In general," he added. "the Android release cadence is one major release a year with some maintenance releases that are substantial still."
That statement would imply a fall 2012 release of Android 5.0, given that Android 4.0 was released last November, he acknowledged.
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224653/Android_5.0_could_come_in_fall_Google_exec_implies
Summer would be cool though
Google will most likely try to get 5.0 out close to the time win8 and the iphoney 5 are released to compete with them im thinking probably early to mid summer since last year we had 2 releases gb at beginning of year and ICS towards the end 5.0 was actually put into development shortly after ICS was but is apparently alot more complex than any previous builds and may even be capable of running on other platforms such as home computers similar to win8
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Hey,
While they might complete android 5.0 early they wont release it till other phones with windows and Ios put out their new software just to keep the market competitive, as cool as it would be to get it early! But we just are getting ics, so we can wait for the latest greatest!
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