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Gingerbread on Verizon ???? LOOK HERE

For those of you wondering what phones will and will not get Gingerbread, or the tards (or just diehard wishful thinkers) that think Verizon will just skip right over FroYo and go to Gingerbread, this is an official quote from Verizon:
"Google's just-announced Gingerbread software is generating buzz in the media.
Initially, it is not available on the Verizon Wireless lineup of Android phones.
BUT ... we're working with Google as they release source code for device manufacturers to begin integration. We are also assessing which devices will get Gingerbread within the coming months.
Stay tuned - more information will be available soon."
So that means, they won't even begin ASSESSING what phones receive the updates for MONTHS. Not days, not weeks, MONTHS. So those hoping to see Gingerbread anytime soon, well, sorry to burst your bubble, but its not happening. Those thinking FroYo was delayed to bake its bug fixes into Ginger, well, they'd have to delay it for months. Lets hope this is not the case....
Don't ask where I got the quote from....'tis not your concern

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It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.

imnuts said:
It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.
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Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....

Who really cares about gingerbread anyway. I'm very satisfied with DJ05 update, roms/kernals/themes. I can now wait patiently for froyo and... not even concern myself with when/where gingerbread will be released.

I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.

imnuts said:
I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.
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Samsung has code obviously, without it, they couldn't have built the Nexus S. And I doubt Google builds the "Nexus" software because of all the little nuances of the code interacting with drivers and so forth (RIL ring a bell????), but I could be wrong, I don't work for either Google or Samsung.
I doubt the other OEM's have any builds running yet, as evidenced by the very first reference to builds, where they say that they are working with OEM's AS GOOGLE releases source code for them to integrate into their phones, but people can take it for what they wish.
I just put the quote out there verbatim. Do with it what you will.

mexiken said:
Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....
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Actually I don't know how many times this has been said. Google releases their OS source not so long after their press release. It is the OEMs who have to release their kernel for us to develop anything. We've had 2.3 code for awhile now but we don't have kernel. They just released Nexus One kernel like yesterday so they'll get it pretty soon. People, Google's OS code and OEM kernel are two different things. We always had code source pretty fast at hand.

The fact that I'm super-skeptical of these unsourced-but-supposedly-from-Verizon quotes aside, I think imnuts has a point here.
imnuts said:
It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months.
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According to the rules of grammar, he's right. The order matters: since the clause "will get gingerbread within the coming months" comes after "which devices," not "we are assessing," it refers to the former. Had the quote been "We are also assessing within the coming months which devices will get Gingerbread," then it would be the other way around.
But that aside, even more importantly, saying a process will happen "within the coming months" doesn't mean that the process won't start for months. It means something is likely to be ongoing and could be done within one month, six months, or anything in between (or longer). Ultimately, that's the kind of wording people use when they want to remain intentionally vague, and we really can't read a timeline one way or the other from it. Especially when it comes to mobile carriers and software updates.
mexiken said:
There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ????
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Well, for starters, Samsung obviously has had the 2.3 source code for quite some time considering they have a Gingerbread phone coming out tomorrow. We also know Motorola has the 3.0 code seeing as how they're working on at least one already-functional Honeycomb device. The only one we can say definitely doesn't have 2.3 is LG, because they said so (though they also said 2.3 required a 1ghz processor in the same breath, which turned out to be a complete lie, so it's hard to trust them). But clearly, AOSP gets the code just a tad later than at least some OEMs do.

Ice cream sandwich

It's been bothering me that a lot of people don't think the atrix is going to get an official ice cream sandwich update.
I decided to make this thread to consolidate any discussion or questions about the future update.
The android carrier alliance promises that any device will be updated to the newest version of android for 18 months after its release (if its hardware allows it).
Three points to make:
1) Since ICS is being released in oct/nov, the 18 months portion of the agreement becomes null and void. The atrix is within the timeframe.
2) The nexus S is getting ICS, and since the hardware in the atrix is superior (dual core processor, battery, etc), the atrix can receive the ICS update.
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
All these signs point me to believe that the atrix is for sure getting ICS. What're your thoughts?
Cheers

Also I think the Atrix Dev Team will be handing their CM7 build over to Cyanogenmod for nightlis and it will be an official CM device. And if that happens, when Cyanogenmod makes CM8 with ICS we'll get it the I'd guess.

4 Words...
Who gives a crap.

Didn't they announce that after the release of the Atrix ? Or does that not matter?
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I think my thread was cooler.
I voided my warranty.

Magnetox said:
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
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I think that while Google's purchase/buyout seems like it may benefit Android users. I also feel that it will not give any benefits until long after the Atrix has passed it's sell by date. Mergers and acquisitions take time to complete. Systems have to be integrated on a large scale, and corporate policies realized in the acquired business. I think Google's initial focus will be on patents, and secondary long term focus will then be Android, and how they can take the lions share of the marketplace with smart devices (not just phones). Give it 2 years at least in my opinion before we see a big swing.

This is almost the exact same thing I said over in the Motorola Forums (or maybe I said it here, I can't remember). It seems people expect things to change immediately but probably don't realize it's not even a done deal yet as of this posting. There still needs to be an investigation and approvals and all that. Like you said, it could be a couple years before any changes (within Motorola's camp anyways) becomes noticeable.
CaelanT said:
I think that while Google's purchase/buyout seems like it may benefit Android users. I also feel that it will not give any benefits until long after the Atrix has passed it's sell by date. Mergers and acquisitions take time to complete. Systems have to be integrated on a large scale, and corporate policies realized in the acquired business. I think Google's initial focus will be on patents, and secondary long term focus will then be Android, and how they can take the lions share of the marketplace with smart devices (not just phones). Give it 2 years at least in my opinion before we see a big swing.
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Also, it seems people forget that Motoblur exists on Motorola devices. Unless they actually convert the Blur service into a full on application platform I don't see an "Official" ICS build coming to the Atrix until at least 6 months after Google releases the code for it. Our best bet lies within the great devs we have here in the community. Which reminds me, everyone, stop complaining about updates!
live4nyy said:
This is almost the exact same thing I said over in the Motorola Forums (or maybe I said it here, I can't remember). It seems people expect things to change immediately but probably don't realize it's not even a done deal yet as of this posting. There still needs to be an investigation and approvals and all that. Like you said, it could be a couple years before any changes (within Motorola's camp anyways) becomes noticeable.
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Here's the thing, yes Google will have a flava of it sitting around that XDA can port over.
The real question is what's the ETA with the carriers?
For instance my Motorola Milestone didn't have "Froyo" ready until the end of March this year, and it was a half-assed effort put together by Telus. Then shortly after, they discontinued the phone.
I agree that XDA users will have a port of ICS through CM7, but for OTA who knows when that will be?...
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Magnetox said:
It's been bothering me that a lot of people don't think the atrix is going to get an official ice cream sandwich update.
I decided to make this thread to consolidate any discussion or questions about the future update.
The android carrier alliance promises that any device will be updated to the newest version of android for 18 months after its release (if its hardware allows it).
Three points to make:
1) Since ICS is being released in oct/nov, the 18 months portion of the agreement becomes null and void. The atrix is within the timeframe.
2) The nexus S is getting ICS, and since the hardware in the atrix is superior (dual core processor, battery, etc), the atrix can receive the ICS update.
3) With google's acquisition of MM the likeliness of the atrix receiving ICS has gone up substantially, whether or not it remains as a seperate branch under google's ownership. It also increases the chances of us getting a stock (or very close to stock) ICS build.
All these signs point me to believe that the atrix is for sure getting ICS. What're your thoughts?
Cheers
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Your first point is completely wrong. They guaranteed updates to the phone, but never specifically to the "latest version" of android released. IE you will get security/bug fix updates, but not necessarily updates to the base OS. Secondly, this only applies to phones released AFTER the agreement. Also, google is merely urging NOT requiring them. So basically, all this agreement leads to is that future devices will have a minimum of an 18 month support cycle, nothing more.

Right after we get GB, people start asking for ICS...
This even shows more proof that we, as human, will never be satisfied with what we got.
which can be both good and bad..

tian105 said:
Right after we get GB, people start asking for ICS...
This even shows more proof that we, as human, will never be satisfied with what we got.
which can be both good and bad..
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There are no humans here, only Androids and Androids are selfish.
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I read this...sounds like we are going to be seeing it next month...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41975/android-ice-cream-sandwich-release-date
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Mac11700 said:
I read this...sounds like we are going to be seeing it next month...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41975/android-ice-cream-sandwich-release-date
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my bday is next month lol and this would make a great gift comming from googrola

tian105 said:
my bday is next month lol and this would make a great gift comming from googrola
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I saw this on my b-day yesterday...
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Speculation that Google might release Android 5.0 (jellybean)

Even tho ICS is mostly in the beta stage for the EVO 4G,Android 5.0 might be pushed out in the summer to beat windows to the punch on the realese of windows 8 for tablets so soon we might get some new goodies for Evo 4g and other devices.

Not likely, though Google execs implied that it could be rolling out in the fall.
"After Android 4 comes 5, and we haven't announced the timing yet, which we're still sorting out," Lockheimer said in an interview with Computerworld on Monday. "There's a lot of engineering work still behind it -- and there's also the question of how to time it.
"In general," he added. "the Android release cadence is one major release a year with some maintenance releases that are substantial still."
That statement would imply a fall 2012 release of Android 5.0, given that Android 4.0 was released last November, he acknowledged.
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224653/Android_5.0_could_come_in_fall_Google_exec_implies
Summer would be cool though

Google will most likely try to get 5.0 out close to the time win8 and the iphoney 5 are released to compete with them im thinking probably early to mid summer since last year we had 2 releases gb at beginning of year and ICS towards the end 5.0 was actually put into development shortly after ICS was but is apparently alot more complex than any previous builds and may even be capable of running on other platforms such as home computers similar to win8
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Hey,
While they might complete android 5.0 early they wont release it till other phones with windows and Ios put out their new software just to keep the market competitive, as cool as it would be to get it early! But we just are getting ics, so we can wait for the latest greatest!
Stevo

Android engineer:"waiting 5 months for ICS is reasonable"

Android engineer:"waiting 5 months for ICS is reasonable"
READ HERE:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/android-engineer-waiting-5-months-for-ics-is-reasonable-50007782/
How long should you have to wait to get the latest version of Android? Well a software engineer at Google reckons five months is perfectly reasonable.
Jean-Baptiste Queru, a Google software engineer working on Android, posted on his Google Plus page about the Sony Tablet S getting the bump to Ice Cream Sandwich, the latest version of the operating system. "It took Sony only about 5 months to ship this after I released the code in the Android Open Source Project at the very end of last year," he wrote. "This is actually a very reasonable time, since under the hood Ice Cream Sandwich is quite different from Honeycomb (and upgrades from Gingerbread are likely to take longer as those differences are huge)."
He went on to blame operators for delays to software updates. He said he couldn't believe some flagship devices still hadn't received ICS "because of delays introduced by operator approvals." (I'm sure anyone with a SIM-free Samsung Galaxy S2 is just as incredulous). He also gave an insight into what the process is to push out these updates.
"Writing the software doesn't mean Google can deploy it immediately," Queru wrote in the comments, "there are operator approvals for devices that are sold and/or supported by operators." Previously we heard from a Motorola exec that complex modern hardware was to blame.
I've no doubt getting these updates out there is a complex process, but all us customers care about is getting our hands on the latest version quickly and easily. Your reactions to the Galaxy S2 farrago showed the frustration many are feeling, especially when companies go breaking their promises. With some devices not due the upgrade until the summer -- when Android Jelly Bean should be with us -- it does seem like the process needs streamlining somehow. A recent study showed just 1.6 per cent of Android devices are running ICS. Five months in, that's not a great stat.

I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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We got news of the update in Febuary. This means June will be the expected month.

meskes said:
I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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If that's how you feel, get to it! the source code is all there I wait with baited breathe for you to get it ported.
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When do you think we will get updated to M?

How long do you think we will need to wait?

Next year probably knowing Samsung. They support their flagships for about 6 months before they're completely forgotten about.
They're still rolling out 5.0 to some of their devices. The problem with Samsung is just last year they released 56 different mobile/tablet devices - How do you continue support for all of those?
It's the one thing I love about Apple - One device for the whole world, one device to update, nice and simple!

Agreed, and I am aware of their track record. I have seen a new urgency to get updates done quickly however, and given this will be their newest device I am hoping the ups are will drop quickly.

after the s7 comes out prob