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http://briefmobile.com/guaranteed-android-updates-for-18-months
Google announced at I/O that a bunch of partners have agreed to update all devices that are capable to the latest Android version within 18 months! And also ICS is going to be released Q4 this year...
My thought is that Motorola has been waiting on ICS hopefully rather than GB, though either way we'll have ICS before the pseudo-apocalypse!
EDIT: Article has a typo, actual statement was that updates will be guaranteed for all new and capable devices for 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
18 months.. that's more than a year and a half.. lol by that time i'd have a phone that has the latest version :|. possibly an unlocked bootloader as well lol
We've at least been told by Moto that we'll get Gingerbread and an unlocked bootloader this year, and I believe that is still a reasonable claim
Yeah, 18 months to upgrade this thing to 2.3? If they would unlock the phone and release the code it would be done in a few days by the dev community.
KefkaticFanatic said:
http://briefmobile.com/guaranteed-android-updates-for-18-months
Google announced at I/O that a bunch of partners have agreed to update all devices that are capable to the latest Android version within 18 months! And also ICS is going to be released Q4 this year...
My thought is that Motorola has been waiting on ICS hopefully rather than GB, though either way we'll have ICS before the pseudo-apocalypse!
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The key here is "within 18 months"! I believe this offers nothing, as most of us will have moved on to new devices before we have had them for 18 months after release. Now, if they said within 6 months, then we would know that whenever we bought a new device the most we would have to wait for the latest update would be 6 months.
"Good news for Android users waiting for updates: this kind of long wait and anticipation game may finally be over. Google’s announced at I/O 2011 that a plethora of partners (seen above) will be giving the latest Android updates to all devices in the future within eighteen months. The only catch is that updates will be received only “if the device can handle it.”
Sounds like good news for developers worrying about fragmentation. But, users will also be able to reap the benefits as carriers and manufacturers are more forcefully pushed towards updates."
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We've at least been told by Moto that we'll get Gingerbread and an unlocked bootloader this year, and I believe that is still a reasonable claim
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not really..
The article is wrong and misquoted the announcement. If you watched the keynote you'd have seen what they really said.
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
Updates provided for 18 months, not within 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
CaelanT said:
The key here is "within 18 months"! I believe this offers nothing, as most of us will have moved on to new devices before we have had them for 18 months after release. Now, if they said within 6 months, then we would know that whenever we bought a new device the most we would have to wait for the latest update would be 6 months.
"Good news for Android users waiting for updates: this kind of long wait and anticipation game may finally be over. Google’s announced at I/O 2011 that a plethora of partners (seen above) will be giving the latest Android updates to all devices in the future within eighteen months. The only catch is that updates will be received only “if the device can handle it.”
Sounds like good news for developers worrying about fragmentation. But, users will also be able to reap the benefits as carriers and manufacturers are more forcefully pushed towards updates."
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It's not updating to latest within 18 months...
Its updating to lastest version quickly.. FOR the first 18 months.. so you might get multi updatas in that 18 months.. but arnt promised anything after the phone has been out for 18 months... all in all pretty good news for us though... att and Motorola are partners with google on it.
I'll be happy when I finally get at least ONE "Official update" from Bell. (and more importantly a stock SBF to fall back on already!)
Hopefully Bell can figure out how to do that in 18 months...
shriva said:
It's not updating to latest within 18 months...
Its updating to lastest version quickly.. FOR the first 18 months.. so you might get multi updatas in that 18 months.. but arnt promised anything after the phone has been out for 18 months... all in all pretty good news for us though... att and Motorola are partners with google on it.
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It makes a lot of sense. 18 months is getting close to the life of a phone. So they keep you updated, then make you buy a new one when you can renew your contract.
I guess it works out well for both parties? We get updates frequently for most of the life of our phones, but they still get their upgrades.
Thanks bwshockley for clearing that up!
Heck, they announced. "Ice cream" for Q4 2011.. Atrix may even get that!
Can't wait till they let us know what timely/quickly means though.. but its going in the right direction.. google doing something at least to get them to update quicker.
It also say NEW devices will be supported, that would mean the Atrix would not actually fall under the new guidelines i.e. there would be no guarantee that it'll get Ice Cream Sandwich. Gingerbread is guaranteed only because they specifically stated it a while back, but when is completely up to Moto.
Yea I see. Silly misinterpretation. That's what I get for taking a bagel break away from the live stream!
However, I still believe that we'll get GB and perhaps even ICS by the end of this year. And if not, the bootloader will hopefully be unlocked so we won't have to worry about it.
Yeah I don't see them waiting for ICS to do a version upgrade, by then, a fair amount of people will have looked at other devices.
1/5 stars for misinformation. Please update op to say this is speculation.
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The article is wrong and misquoted the announcement. If you watched the keynote you'd have seen what they really said.
"So today we’re announcing that a founding team of industry leaders, including many from the Open Handset Alliance, are working together to adopt guidelines for how quickly devices are updated after a new platform release, and also for how long they will continue to be updated. The founding partners are Verizon, HTC, Samsung, Sprint, Sony Ericsson, LG, T-Mobile, Vodafone, Motorola and AT&T, and we welcome others to join us. To start, we're jointly announcing that new devices from participating partners will receive the latest Android platform upgrades for 18 months after the device is first released, as long as the hardware allows...and that's just the beginning. Stay tuned for more details."
Updates provided for 18 months, not within 18 months.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/05/android-momentum-mobile-and-more-at.html
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I stand corrected! Muchos gracias!
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Someone ask this on the official support forums for the atrix.
bearsfan172 said:
It makes a lot of sense. 18 months is getting close to the life of a phone. So they keep you updated, then make you buy a new one when you can renew your contract.
I guess it works out well for both parties? We get updates frequently for most of the life of our phones, but they still get their upgrades.
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Actually upgrades work in our favor since they dont make crap on the phone. They only make money on the data service which is outrageously priced.
Rule of thumb.
Buy Google Flagship or htc to get all the upgrade love.
I hope moto dies.
Here is news worthy information that came across my inbox.
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Android 5.0 Jelly Bean may arrive as early as Q2 2012, supply chain sources claim, with Google apparently integrating Chrome OS functionality for dual-boot tablets and netbooks. Those aren’t the search giant’s only dual-OS ambitions, however; insiders tell DigiTimes that Google is pushing Android 5.0 and Windows 8 hybrids to its manufacturing partners, for notebooks, netbooks and tablets that offer the best of both platforms.
Although Google is yet to comment significantly on whether Ice Cream Sandwich has met its expectations in the market, it’s clear that Android 4.0 is yet to gain a significant foothold. According to Google’s own stats, as of February 1 2012 only 1-percent of devices were running ICS, with the majority still on Android 2.3.x Gingerbread.
The dual-booting Android 5.0 Jelly Bean and Windows 8 machines will be able to hot-swap between the two platforms, the sources indicate, rather than demanding a reboot each time. That would give users the opportunity to use Android for its web-centric functionality and speed, while switching to Windows would offer the various legacy and business apps many users still demand. Update: It’s worth remembering that Microsoft’s Windows 8 hardware requirements apparently block second OS installation on ARM-based PCs by users, thanks to a locked Secure Boot system, though it’s unclear whether OEMs are permitted to do so before the hardware leaves the factory. [Thanks Richard!]
Google is supposedly seeing Android 5.0 as a second chance at the notebook and netbook markets, Chrome OS failing to grab attention as expected, though the tipsters warn that the response to Ice Cream Sandwich has left some partners “conservative” about the new platform.
Part of Google’s challenge is encouraging timely OS updates among vendors. Motorola revealed its timescale for upgrading US Android devices yesterday, with most not expected to see Ice Cream Sandwich until Q3 2012 or later.
Dual booting Android and Windows 8 from the factory? I doubt it. Would be pretty cool, though. Save us a lot on the hacking side of things
Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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Very true. Yeah Google needs to figure out that they're being crippled by stupid manufacturers who refuse to release timely updates for their devices... This is foolish that ics has been out since... November? And 4 months later, only a few high end devices have ics on them? How the heck is ics supposed to make an impact on anyone if 4 months into the update very few phones have it? They need to have it completed before announcing it and give it to the manufacturers to start working with and get their phones running on it before making the announcement and official release otherwise it becomes old news before it's even on a good portion of high end devices. Foolish.
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I completely agree with you, but it seems like 5.0 will be for notebooks and netbooks, like honeycomb was for tablets.
i'll stick to even numbered releases (2.x, 4.x, etc.)
yea, it would really help if manufacturers would quit spending 6 months modding the OS before even possibly releasing it to their devices. But the problem is that they make their money by selling the latest greatest hardware which is more difficult if you can get the latest greatest version of the OS on older hardware. I'm running a Vibrant that now has ICS on it thanks to all the independent devs out there that in my mind are the reason android has done as well as it has. If google REALLY wants their newer version to be adopted, they would put clauses in their contracts that limits the amount of customization a manufacturer can do and requires them to justify delays past a certain period of time between G's release of a version and the manufacturer's release of it to all devices that meet requirements that would accompany each release from G.
But none of this is going to happen LOL.
One of the things that really burns me on this topic is that of all the mods that the manufacturers put on that I've used... none of them actually enhance the experience much if at all.
Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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lol there is hardly any info as it is, you would have to wait a little longer for more specific details to be released.
steafand said:
Does Android 5.0 support push service and limit the background applications? That will be smooth, faster and save battery. Just need a service to call app when they have an update.
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Yea, you have to remember that this has been TIPPED, so what little details we have now aren't even going to be very reliable.
Google may launch Android 5.0 Jelly Bean in 2Q12
Viewing that the adoption of Android 4.0 has fallen short of original expectations and Microsoft will launch Windows 8 in the third quarter of 2012, Google is likely to launch Android 5.0 (Jelly Bean) in the second quarter and appeal for adopting Android 5.0 and Windows 8 in the same tablet PC, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.
Android 5.0 will be further optimized for tablet PCs, while Google will also integrate its Chrome system functions to push dual-operating system designs. Brand vendors can either choose to adopt only Android 5.0 or add Android 5.0 to Windows 8 devices with the ability to switch between the two OSes without the need to shut down the computer.
Through Android 5.0, Google also wishes to earn another chance to enter the notebook and netbook markets.
However, since Android 4.0 did not perform as well as expected, several of Google's downstream partners are turning conservative about Android 5.0.
Source http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120215PD209.html
Finally folks will quit fussing about not having ICS yet. Now they will start fussing about not having Jelly Bean..........
This seems completely absurd. What does it mean by companies arent adopting ICS?? Arent we seeing lists of dates when ICS will be updated to HTc, Motorola, Acer, Asus hardware? Why would I want to boot into windows 8? Pure internets hogwash.
Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
Weird article, a lot of loose claims about poor adoption of ICS and OEMs being wary about it (implied that they may be considering windows 8 instead) with no information whatsoever to back up those claims.
Honestly this reads just like one of those old-school, Microsoft-sponsored FUD pieces of yore.
I guess will start seeing tons of threads with polls on the release date for JB. I am sure people will be threatening to trade their TF for an ipad if it is not released by July 4th. It appears that OS development has be come a war of anticipation rather than actual delivered product.
Reeonimus said:
Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
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Afaik it's not mandatory for OEMs to include secure-boot.
I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
Reeonimus said:
Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
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Partially true.
Windows 8 ARM based tablets do have to have secure boot enabled, it can't be disabled, only signed OS's will boot, and only MS can sign the OS's, so basically for ARM based Windows 8 tablets (at least if the company selling it wants the "Windows 8" sticker), they will be locked to MS, until someone hacks it.
For x86 based Windows 8 tablets and PC's, they must ship with secure boot enabled, but you will be able to disable that in Bios/Uefi and load OS's without signed bootloaders (like android, linux, etc).
Basically the same situation we have now. ARM based tablets from Google partners and Apple have a locked bootloader, so no other OS can be loaded, unless you hack it.
tmcquake said:
I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
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It does seem like a quick transition from ICS to Jelly Bean... I agree with you.
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I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
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1, Google announced it will push updates to Android every 6th month. So counting from November 17th, it would be around the middle of May. It won't be previewed, but released at Google I/O, with the new Nexus device (just as before, and also probably the attendants are getting a free device too).
2, Google told, that from now on, with ICS, they are stepping in major version numbers for each main release. So JB is for sure 5.0.x, and ICS will be 4.x going on.
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It does seem like a quick transition from ICS to Jelly Bean... I agree with you.
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Companies are moving to quicker and quicker release cycles with less and less content. Really small, focused updates. Google themselves basically started this trend (or popularized it if they didn't actually start it) with the Chrome browser, which releases frequently. You have have noticed that FireFox has gone from version 3.x to version 10.1 in record time, as they have adopted the same mentality. I would not be shocked at all to see Google apply it to Andorid, and we start seeing Android 5, 6, 7, etc., at a rapid pace.
EDIT: oops, fonix232 beat me to it.
fonix232 said:
1, Google announced it will push updates to Android every 6th month. So counting from November 17th, it would be around the middle of May. It won't be previewed, but released at Google I/O, with the new Nexus device (just as before, and also probably the attendants are getting a free device too).
2, Google told, that from now on, with ICS, they are stepping in major version numbers for each main release. So JB is for sure 5.0.x, and ICS will be 4.x going on.
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My post was speculation, you seem to be stating facts. What sources are you basing this on (besides just stating "Google told")?
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My post was speculation, you seem to be stating facts. What sources are you basing this on (besides just stating "Google told")?
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I base my facts on reading the news and their announces from various pages, including Android Blog (d.android.com), XDA itself, AndroidPolice, and many other news sites, Google's and Jean-Baptiste Queru's (head of Android development, the talks-guy, pretty awesome dude!) Twitter, and many more.
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I base my facts on reading the news and their announces from various pages, including Android Blog (d.android.com), XDA itself, AndroidPolice, and many other news sites, Google's and Jean-Baptiste Queru's (head of Android development, the talks-guy, pretty awesome dude!) Twitter, and many more.
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Good for you buddy, high five. Could you post some links then?
Does this come from anywhere besides Digitimes? They have a pretty hit and miss record for reporting the news.
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Good for you buddy, high five. Could you post some links then?
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Do you seriously want me to look back half or even a year old entries on sites what are growing like 10post/day?
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Do you seriously want me to look back half or even a year old entries on sites what are growing like 10post/day?
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Yes, seriously. Tell you what, provide 1 link that backs up your post.
Listen, don't take it personally. I don't know you so I can't take you at your word. I just want to something that backs up your claims. I follow android development pretty closely and I haven't read anywhere that android releases will be pushed to 6 months apart and all new releases will be full version numbers. AFAIK The last time that google commented on android development cycles was here,
http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/interviews/android-will-move-to-a-yearly-update-cycle/
I just want a source so I can be better educated on the subject. It's not personal.
JoTeC said:
Viewing that the adoption of Android 4.0 has fallen short of original expectations and Microsoft will launch Windows 8 in the third quarter of 2012, Google is likely to launch Android 5.0 (Jelly Bean) in the second quarter and appeal for adopting Android 5.0 and Windows 8 in the same tablet PC, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.
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Oh, goodie, another rushed Android release. Because that just went *so* damned well with Honeycomb.
Seriously, if this has a grain of truth to it, Google need to get a clue, and finish writing and testing their software properly before they release it.
I want a source straight from the horse's mouth. Digitimes is a garbage source and all of the articles I've seen so far are equally garbage because they cite Digitimes which is a garbage source.
Nothing is authoritative here, there are no statements from Google.
efore Ice Cream Sandwich has managed to reach more than 1% of Android devices, reports are suggesting that its successor, Android 5.0 ‘Jelly Bean’, could launch as soon as June.
The news comes in the form of a Digitimes report, which is known for being hit-and-miss with its accuracy, but cites supply chain sources that state the search giant will seek to release its new Android platform to provide competition to Microsoft’s new Windows 8 operating system, which will debut in the third quarter.
With Android 5.0 thought to deliver yet more features for tablet devices, Taiwanese suppliers are already to deliver dual-OS tablets and notebooks, which will be able to instantly switch between Google’s and Microsoft’s mobile-friendly platforms.
Despite officially launching with the release of the Galaxy Nexus at the end of last year, Ice Cream Sandwich has yet to reach the majority of new Android smartphones and is only expected to receive a boost in take-up when the world’s biggest mobile vendors release new devices at Mobile World Congress, commencing at the end of the month.
By February, Gingerbread (in particular versions Android versions 2.3.3 - 2.3.7) accounted for 58.6% of Android gadgets, while the latest flavour accounted for just one percent of devices.
It is believed that Google will use its new Android release to galvanise its re-entry into the notebook and netbook markets, after Chromebook sales failed to take off. As a result, Google’s partners are reported to be “conservative” about utilising the new platform.
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Well, this isn't very much Wildfire related as official support from CyanogenMod ended at Gingerbread, and this will be, by the looks of it, just for tablets and notebooks.
Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
Oh I don't think it will become official, sorry to say, time to move on folks
... But if it does, congrats.
I do miss my wildfire though. But i got my SGS on a cheap contract $30 a month so couldn't pass it up.
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That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
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But then the camera doesn't work on many ICS roms.
Even if we don't get official support we got ErwinP
Hes doing a pretty good job with it.
It was smooth enough when i OC'ed to 652Mhz.
Android engineer:"waiting 5 months for ICS is reasonable"
READ HERE:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/android-engineer-waiting-5-months-for-ics-is-reasonable-50007782/
How long should you have to wait to get the latest version of Android? Well a software engineer at Google reckons five months is perfectly reasonable.
Jean-Baptiste Queru, a Google software engineer working on Android, posted on his Google Plus page about the Sony Tablet S getting the bump to Ice Cream Sandwich, the latest version of the operating system. "It took Sony only about 5 months to ship this after I released the code in the Android Open Source Project at the very end of last year," he wrote. "This is actually a very reasonable time, since under the hood Ice Cream Sandwich is quite different from Honeycomb (and upgrades from Gingerbread are likely to take longer as those differences are huge)."
He went on to blame operators for delays to software updates. He said he couldn't believe some flagship devices still hadn't received ICS "because of delays introduced by operator approvals." (I'm sure anyone with a SIM-free Samsung Galaxy S2 is just as incredulous). He also gave an insight into what the process is to push out these updates.
"Writing the software doesn't mean Google can deploy it immediately," Queru wrote in the comments, "there are operator approvals for devices that are sold and/or supported by operators." Previously we heard from a Motorola exec that complex modern hardware was to blame.
I've no doubt getting these updates out there is a complex process, but all us customers care about is getting our hands on the latest version quickly and easily. Your reactions to the Galaxy S2 farrago showed the frustration many are feeling, especially when companies go breaking their promises. With some devices not due the upgrade until the summer -- when Android Jelly Bean should be with us -- it does seem like the process needs streamlining somehow. A recent study showed just 1.6 per cent of Android devices are running ICS. Five months in, that's not a great stat.
I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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We got news of the update in Febuary. This means June will be the expected month.
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I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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If that's how you feel, get to it! the source code is all there I wait with baited breathe for you to get it ported.
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