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Gingerbread on Verizon ???? LOOK HERE

For those of you wondering what phones will and will not get Gingerbread, or the tards (or just diehard wishful thinkers) that think Verizon will just skip right over FroYo and go to Gingerbread, this is an official quote from Verizon:
"Google's just-announced Gingerbread software is generating buzz in the media.
Initially, it is not available on the Verizon Wireless lineup of Android phones.
BUT ... we're working with Google as they release source code for device manufacturers to begin integration. We are also assessing which devices will get Gingerbread within the coming months.
Stay tuned - more information will be available soon."
So that means, they won't even begin ASSESSING what phones receive the updates for MONTHS. Not days, not weeks, MONTHS. So those hoping to see Gingerbread anytime soon, well, sorry to burst your bubble, but its not happening. Those thinking FroYo was delayed to bake its bug fixes into Ginger, well, they'd have to delay it for months. Lets hope this is not the case....
Don't ask where I got the quote from....'tis not your concern

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It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.

imnuts said:
It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.
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Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....

Who really cares about gingerbread anyway. I'm very satisfied with DJ05 update, roms/kernals/themes. I can now wait patiently for froyo and... not even concern myself with when/where gingerbread will be released.

I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.

imnuts said:
I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.
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Samsung has code obviously, without it, they couldn't have built the Nexus S. And I doubt Google builds the "Nexus" software because of all the little nuances of the code interacting with drivers and so forth (RIL ring a bell????), but I could be wrong, I don't work for either Google or Samsung.
I doubt the other OEM's have any builds running yet, as evidenced by the very first reference to builds, where they say that they are working with OEM's AS GOOGLE releases source code for them to integrate into their phones, but people can take it for what they wish.
I just put the quote out there verbatim. Do with it what you will.

mexiken said:
Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....
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Actually I don't know how many times this has been said. Google releases their OS source not so long after their press release. It is the OEMs who have to release their kernel for us to develop anything. We've had 2.3 code for awhile now but we don't have kernel. They just released Nexus One kernel like yesterday so they'll get it pretty soon. People, Google's OS code and OEM kernel are two different things. We always had code source pretty fast at hand.

The fact that I'm super-skeptical of these unsourced-but-supposedly-from-Verizon quotes aside, I think imnuts has a point here.
imnuts said:
It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months.
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According to the rules of grammar, he's right. The order matters: since the clause "will get gingerbread within the coming months" comes after "which devices," not "we are assessing," it refers to the former. Had the quote been "We are also assessing within the coming months which devices will get Gingerbread," then it would be the other way around.
But that aside, even more importantly, saying a process will happen "within the coming months" doesn't mean that the process won't start for months. It means something is likely to be ongoing and could be done within one month, six months, or anything in between (or longer). Ultimately, that's the kind of wording people use when they want to remain intentionally vague, and we really can't read a timeline one way or the other from it. Especially when it comes to mobile carriers and software updates.
mexiken said:
There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ????
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Well, for starters, Samsung obviously has had the 2.3 source code for quite some time considering they have a Gingerbread phone coming out tomorrow. We also know Motorola has the 3.0 code seeing as how they're working on at least one already-functional Honeycomb device. The only one we can say definitely doesn't have 2.3 is LG, because they said so (though they also said 2.3 required a 1ghz processor in the same breath, which turned out to be a complete lie, so it's hard to trust them). But clearly, AOSP gets the code just a tad later than at least some OEMs do.

some thought about the delay on gingerbread release for Epic 4G

The early gingerbread release is designed to keep people happy. so they make an update happen on the 20th of June with android 2.3.3 system is complete but they aren't done with RIL, kernel and modem optimization. They fork the most stable branch of the ril, kernel, and modem from samsung source tree. They delay this release from 2 weeks to 1 month. (usually the update comes in 2 week after successfully testing it). They did it to make the span between update seem short.
I think there is another update with 2.3.4 and stable optimized stuff after 2 week in "samsung time" after the initial update to gingerbread *
* "Samsung time" may be 4x more than expected
just my 2 cents

noobnl said:
The early gingerbread release is designed to keep people happy. so they make an update happen on the 20th of June with android 2.3.3 system is complete but they aren't done with RIL, kernel and modem optimization. They fork the most stable branch of the ril, kernel, and modem from samsung source tree. They delay this release from 2 weeks to 1 month. (usually the update comes in 2 week after successfully testing it). They did it to make the span between update seem short.
I think there is another update with 2.3.4 and stable optimized stuff after 2 week in "samsung time" after the initial update to gingerbread *
* "Samsung time" may be 4x more than expected
just my 2 cents
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meh, not buying it. more to gain by keeping on course. lots of phones doing it right now so bricks and problems are so expected that they can write it off.

I take this as a bad news!
Nice to see you back noobnl.

Since most phones are not on gingerbread yet, I'm not surprised if it is delayed.
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He is saying we will have the gingerbread update on the 20th then another even more optimised update after that. So there's no delay. We will be on gingerbread it will just get better ppl so be happy

silver03wrx said:
He is saying we will have the gingerbread update on the 20th then another even more optimised update after that. So there's no delay. We will be on gingerbread it will just get better ppl so be happy
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Exactly what I was reading. Sorry, for wandering off course, read it too fast.
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I sorta agree with noobnl, if anything it makes it look like they are trying hard to keep it updated by having more updates...
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ecooce said:
I sorta agree with noobnl, if anything it makes it look like they are trying hard to keep it updated by having more updates...
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really, this isn't too bad. I wouldn't call it "... look like they are trying hard..."
I'd call it here's a 'fairly' stable build. play with it while we watch XDA for the bugs, we'll tweak the bugs, then do a maintenance release to fix the bugs
If anything this is a good thing for their PR.. they've had a bad rap over the years regarding updates.. this (so far) has been a welcomed change of pace IMO

I agree.

I accept any updates with open arms.
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noobnl said:
The early gingerbread release is designed to keep people happy. so they make an update happen on the 20th of June with android 2.3.3 system is complete but they aren't done with RIL, kernel and modem optimization. They fork the most stable branch of the ril, kernel, and modem from samsung source tree. They delay this release from 2 weeks to 1 month. (usually the update comes in 2 week after successfully testing it). They did it to make the span between update seem short.
I think there is another update with 2.3.4 and stable optimized stuff after 2 week in "samsung time" after the initial update to gingerbread *
* "Samsung time" may be 4x more than expected
just my 2 cents
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Of course they'll probably release bug fixes. You made a "prediction" out of something that's more or less a truism.
However, I disagree. Aside from the camera and keyboard, the Epic is very much like the Nexus S 4g. They already have complete source for that. Aside from integrating Sprint Spyware and Touchwiz, very little has to be done from the existing Nexus S 4g. Major stability issues would exist here.
Now, the Nexus S 4G does have known bugs, which is where the truism part comes in. The Epic will be subject to any bugs the Nexus has, otherwise they would have fixed it there first. It's well known that the Nexus S 4g gets sub-par data speeds. Whether or not this will be transferred to the Epic is to be determined.
You also set your margins of error pretty wide, first saying they'll be deploying ril, modem, and kernel fixes, then in your second stanza saying they'll be rolling out "optimizations". Employing fixes in the base layers critical to stability of the platform are hardly optimizations. Further, you cite 2 weeks for this prediction, and then expand it to 2 months. This is a pretty large window.
At what point in this blathering of a post did you actually make a prediction?

Again, that's just his predictions/presumptions. Don't flamed the poor guy. Just like everyone else, all are just predictions and presumptions. When updates hit your phone, then it will. Stop flaming the dude before he goes into extinction for another few months! LOL

jnadke said:
Of course they'll probably release bug fixes. You made a "prediction" out of something that's more or less a truism.
However, I disagree. Aside from the camera and keyboard, the Epic is very much like the Nexus S 4g. They already have complete source for that. Aside from integrating Sprint Spyware and Touchwiz, very little has to be done from the existing Nexus S 4g. Major stability issues would exist here.
Now, the Nexus S 4G does have known bugs, which is where the truism part comes in. The Epic will be subject to any bugs the Nexus has, otherwise they would have fixed it there first. It's well known that the Nexus S 4g gets sub-par data speeds. Whether or not this will be transferred to the Epic is to be determined.
You also set your margins of error pretty wide, first saying they'll be deploying ril, modem, and kernel fixes, then in your second stanza saying they'll be rolling out "optimizations". Employing fixes in the base layers critical to stability of the platform are hardly optimizations. Further, you cite 2 weeks for this prediction, and then expand it to 2 months. This is a pretty large window.
At what point in this blathering of a post did you actually make a prediction?
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As soon as you have something usefull to say, post it. Until then, just read.
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zanderman112 said:
As soon as you have something usefull to say, post it. Until then, just read.
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What he said.

I see a lot of facts not in evidence here, and a lot of wishful thinking. My feeling is that you're sadly mistaken if Samsung worries about the appearance of "keeping up" or that not releasing updates in a timely manor is "bad PR". I would hazard a guess that less than 5% of the Epic 4G user base hangs out here, or even spends much time thinking about what OS they run. They don't care unless it's broken, and the current version isn't.
It's easy to wish for it, and even try to project your reality onto the situation, but here's the fact - Samsung is a HUGE company and the Epic 4G accounts for probably .002% of their biz. They aren't losing sleep over what the Epic user base is thinking about. Heck, a few months ago we didn't even think that GB was in the cards for the Epic.
So I guess my opinion is that it will happen when it happens. To try and read between the lines is no better than a wild guess at this point.

ccnd8 said:
Again, that's just his predictions/presumptions. Don't flamed the poor guy. Just like everyone else, all are just predictions and presumptions. When updates hit your phone, then it will. Stop flaming the dude before he goes into extinction for another few months! LOL
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Before people flame me, I was partially being facetious. Hence the
Not hatin', noobnl.
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As soon as you have something usefull to say, post it. Until then, just read.
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I did post my counter-thoughts. Beyond mirroring Nexus S 4g, any future patches should be mainly stability improvements in the TouchWiz/Android integration. Gingerbread, despite being a minor update in looks, was a huge update in API. A lot of stuff is likely broken that will slip QA.
There will always be follow-up patches in any software release cycle. The Epic had 2/3(?) patches for Eclair, 2 patches for FroYo, and probably no less than 2 for GB, since it'll be the last update for a while, if ever.
I apologize for posting my counter-thoughts in his thread. Next time I will make a new one.
I also apologize for coming off as attacking noobnl. I wasn't aware he had a beer flavored schlong.

noobnl said:
The early gingerbread release is designed to keep people happy. so they make an update happen on the 20th of June with android 2.3.3 system is complete but they aren't done with RIL, kernel and modem optimization. They fork the most stable branch of the ril, kernel, and modem from samsung source tree. They delay this release from 2 weeks to 1 month. (usually the update comes in 2 week after successfully testing it). They did it to make the span between update seem short.
I think there is another update with 2.3.4 and stable optimized stuff after 2 week in "samsung time" after the initial update to gingerbread *
* "Samsung time" may be 4x more than expected
just my 2 cents
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Well if there is anyone's 2 cents around here I would put money on its noobnl. If there is anyone who knows what goes into developing the OS and what goes into making it all work it would be noobnl or Dameon87. Two of the most recognized and respected names in Epic 4g hacking history in my own opinion. Many of the newer users in the past few months have no clue who these two people are or what they have done but if it wasn't for these guys we wouldn't have squat for the Epic 4g. Before anyone doubts what these two and others have to say they should do their studying and read up on who's names are all over OneClickRoot, CWM and many other things we use constantly in rooting and hacking with the Epic 4g.
Just my 2 cents...

zanderman112 said:
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LOL, coming from you.

Paul627g said:
Well if there is anyone's 2 cents around here I would put money on its noobnl. If there is anyone who knows what goes into developing the OS and what goes into making it all work it would be noobnl or Dameon87. Two of the most recognized and respected names in Epic 4g hacking history in my own opinion. Many of the newer users in the past few months have no clue who these two people are or what they have done but if it wasn't for these guys we wouldn't have squat for the Epic 4g. Before anyone doubts what these two and others have to say they should do their studying and read up on who's names are all over OneClickRoot, CWM and many other things we use constantly in rooting and hacking with the Epic 4g.
Just my 2 cents...
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Oh, I agree, Noobnl, Dameon87, and k0nane are the **** around here. This community would be largely lost without them.
They're not the best though, that title is reserved for dzo, the guy who got Android working from largely scratch on the HTC Touch (Windows phone), my old community.
I'm aware of the integration aspects of Android. I've compiled my own AOSP for the HTC Touch, built a GPS driver for the HTC Touch, and done some RIL hacking / development. Further, I was employed for 3 years as a linux developer for small platforms just like these phones. Alas, I do not have the time commitment nor the strive anymore unlike those three above.
I give my hat to them, but I am more than capable of making my own highly experienced opinion.

bigray327 said:
LOL, coming from you.
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Wait, what is that supposed to mean? I'm very helpful lol

Android 3.2 coming!

ASUS just tweeted this:
@ASUS is testing Android 3.2 on the #EeePadTransformer now - we hope to have it released soon!
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http://twitter.com/#!/ASUS/status/91252492712677376

Great news, thanks.

jhanford said:
ASUS just tweeted this:
http://twitter.com/#!/ASUS/status/91252492712677376
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Dan thats fast! But i like it alot

Now, we can speculate on what "soon" means...
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Man, third update since I got mine. My Samsung vibrant had only one in a year, and it wasnt OTA either.

Soon = next week?
Great news ! i hope they release the firmware for the drain issue.

Testing means finalized.
Finalized means leaks.
Leaks means bonertime.

Yeah, we can definitely speculate on this, but they've been rather good at keeping up. If you look honestly at the 3.1 rollout, we we're only a little behind vs. the Xoom release.
Not sure this will include any major hardware-level fixes as that's really not 3.2 related (firmware vs. OS).

good news. cant wait to see whats improved.
Question: (android and tablet noob here)
So google releases the updates to its developers/companies (like samsung, motorola, asus,etc) and then they(the manufacturers) decide as to when they release it to their consumers?
im assuming because they tweak it to fit their product and might add fixes to their own hardware

Right. Or they may decide not to do anything (check out end-of-life issues on the phone side)
Hopefully, Tegra2s are good for Ice Cream Sandwich, but ASUS is not obliged to provide it for the Transformer
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jhanford said:
Right. Or they may decide not to do anything (check out end-of-life issues on the phone side)
Hopefully, Tegra2s are good for Ice Cream Sandwich, but ASUS is not obliged to provide it for the Transformer
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I have to ask, why do you say they are not obliged? I though they had to send out updates on a timly manner for a certain amount of time? Didn't they just change some sort of contracts or something?

I believe that was only for cellphones but I could be wrong. I was just about to post this up but looks like you beat me to it, glad to see we'll be getting it soon. Can't wait to test out Prime 1.6 :-D

great news.. no surprise Xoom gets the update first since it's the so called google reference design but asus has been doing a great job..
we got the official 3.1 update nearly one month before the acer a500...let's hope asus can keep up the good work!

stdlyman3k said:
I have to ask, why do you say they are not obliged? I though they had to send out updates on a timly manner for a certain amount of time? Didn't they just change some sort of contracts or something?
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While that may be the case for minor version updates, ICS will be a major version change (4.0?). No-one can expect every current device to be supported for every future Android version. Even Apple doesn't do that for the iDevices (original iPhone only goes as far as iOS 3.1.3).
At some point, like it or not, ASUS will stop bringing new versions for the Transformer. It makes no sense from a business point of view to do otherwise.
So, my point being is that, while ICS will be out before year end, ASUS may decide to focus development efforts of the Kal-El-based tablet they've already said will replace the Transformer. Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they did release ICS for us, but given the Transformer's hardware differences from stock (or the Xoom reference), especially around the keyboard, even having the full ICS source might mean a slightly reduced functionality Transformer at best.
Hopefully ASUS sees ICS as close enough time-wise to be a good reason to support it on the Transformer which, after all, will still be less than a year old.

brando56894 said:
I believe that was only for cellphones but I could be wrong. I was just about to post this up but looks like you beat me to it, glad to see we'll be getting it soon. Can't wait to test out Prime 1.6 :-D
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I think your point about cellphones is probably right. You own them for at least the duration of the contract (almost always two years), but the device manufacturers were getting "bored" of them after six months and effectively dropping support by not providing OS updates. This had to change.
Our Transformers, on the other hand, are currently wifi only. They are more akin to a Netbook or Laptop in that respect. Microsoft is not obliged to update Windows 7 any more - they will with patches and possibly an SP2, but they are not legally bound to do either.
Equally, if ASUS did not update the Transformer again after 3.2, we would have no legal recourse. Of course, they'd have a fairly sizable number of people who are not happy, but then equally there's still lots of people running on XP so, arguably, the majority of non-tech consumers would probably not care either way as long as the device just worked.

but isnt Ice Cream the update to unite all and end fragmentation? If anything, wouldnt Ice Cream be the starting point for new android devices, and the end (support wise) for older units like xoom and asus?
So at the very least we shuold expect Ice Cream on TF (hopefully)

jhanford said:
I think your point about cellphones is probably right. You own them for at least the duration of the contract (almost always two years), but the device manufacturers were getting "bored" of them after six months and effectively dropping support by not providing OS updates. This had to change.
Our Transformers, on the other hand, are currently wifi only. They are more akin to a Netbook or Laptop in that respect. Microsoft is not obliged to update Windows 7 any more - they will with patches and possibly an SP2, but they are not legally bound to do either.
Equally, if ASUS did not update the Transformer again after 3.2, we would have no legal recourse. Of course, they'd have a fairly sizable number of people who are not happy, but then equally there's still lots of people running on XP so, arguably, the majority of non-tech consumers would probably not care either way as long as the device just worked.
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You are right. But I think Asus wants to make a good impression. This is their first tablet, so if they ever want to sell a new one, they better provide updates, as this will decide the 'name' the company gets. Everyone knows Samsung as a company that doesn't provide many updates. And many people were worrying about updates, and often decided to buy a HTC smartphone, because they always provided updates. (But Samsung is definitely working on it, look at the SGS II for example.)
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Not going to get my hopes up on 3.2. 3.1 on Asus was a big let down....

dazz87 said:
Not going to get my hopes up on 3.2. 3.1 on Asus was a big let down....
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Not sure I agree with you there. 3.0 out of the box was sluggish and dissappointing. 3.1 pepped up the tablet no end.
Yes, there are issues with 3.1 too, but looking at how it fared on the Xoom (the Google reference device, no less!) and I think we've been lucky overall.
I'm hoping 3.2 will be the "Gold" edition of Honeycomb, if you will. Frankly, this is their (Google's) only chance as they've already stated there won't be a 3.3.
A thought just occured to me: Are we living through the Android equivalent of Windows Vista? Is ICS our Windows 7? 2.X certainly seems to have followed XP's history with the finally solid SP2/3 equivalents being 2.2 and 2.3! Bizarre

turbulent28 said:
but isnt Ice Cream the update to unite all and end fragmentation? If anything, wouldnt Ice Cream be the starting point for new android devices, and the end (support wise) for older units like xoom and asus?
So at the very least we shuold expect Ice Cream on TF (hopefully)
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No offence, but you seem to contradict yourself. On the one hand you're saying ICS will be the starting point for new devices and then end for the older units (including Xoom and TF) and then you say we should expect it.
I really hope we DO get it, but I'm not holding ASUS to it. As others have said, it would make PR sense for ASUS TO release ICS on the Transformer, but that's 3-4 months away at best and their plans may be elsewhere by that time.
Let's just hope for the best! (Or hope some devs deem the TF to be worthy to port ICS if it isn't supported by ASUS)

will we get ics on our xoom at the hong kong unveiling?

I reaaly hope we will be first again for honeycomb updates.

We will get it. How fast depends on model. The wifi will be the first to have it most likely with the 4g version getting 4 to 6 weeks later after Verizon gives it the OK. How long the delay between announcement and push is up to Motorola and how long they have been working with it. If past performance is any indicator then at least two other tablets will have it before we do.

I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english

anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?

kenfly said:
anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Let me just consult my magic 8 ball...

jerses said:
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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The source code WILL be made available. Rubin said so in the past, when pointed out that HC sources were MIA, and he explained the reason for it, saying at the same time that Android sources will be again public once they reunify the 2.x and 3.x platforms into a cleaner, multi-devices software base.
Keep in mind that it's not just the OS based on the open source code that makes the tablet. Look at all those cheap Android 2.1/2.2 tablets - one of the things they often lack is access to the Android Market (in addition to using resistive screens, low performance SoCs, etc...). I suspect that you have to pay a license to Google to be allowed to bundle Google apps such as the official Android Market (someone might confirm this for me). This is where a major player like Samsung or Asus will distinguish itself from your average inexpensive Chinese-made tablet.
So, no reason at all for Google to refuse to distribute the code. Don't forget that the fact it's open-sourced is one of the main reasons behind its popularity.
So in the end, I'm fairly confident the Xoom will get ICS. If not from Morotola, then through unofficial builds from the public repository, like Cyanogen does for phones under 2.x.

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anyone know how how long after the unveil the wifi version should get the update?
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Same day brah

Motorola Xoom to be first Ice Cream Sandwich tablet? http://goo.gl/611fi Shared with APPY Geek (http://www.appy-geek.com
hopefully this rumor is true

Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high. Which tablets got 3.1 first? Which received 3.2 first? There's your answer.

Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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Haven't sent my "4G" Xoom to MOTO/Verizon because I use it as WiFi only, will I have to send it in to continue on the upgrade path?
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You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
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>Since the Xoom is the reference tablet...a pure Google experience device, the chances of it getting ICS sooner than later are high.
The Xoom isn't an official reference device, and it isn't a refdev for ICS. My guess is that ICS update will come from your friendly custom ROM sooner than from Moto-Goog, as else the new FamilyEd Xoom will need to be updated as well, which probably won't happen any time soon given its new low-end status. Prioritizing and differentiation will mean the focus of development will be on the Xoom2 toys. That's how it has always worked.
The good news is that with ICS hitting AOS, custom ROMs will get better, sooner. In tandem with the above, there'll be more reasons for you to go offroad with ICS, if you haven't already.
>You might as well send it to get the upgrade. The resale value will be higher.
If reports are true, LTE mod will eat up more juice and reduce operating hours.

I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.

iammodo said:
I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Loved that about apple.
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It has been this way for the US Xoom. Until now, Google has been the one who has pushed updates for US Xoom, so there is hope we will get ICS at some point, but i don't believe it's going to happen today. The reference SoC for ICS is TI OMAP, so it doesn't look good for our Tegra powered Xooms.

>I hope Google take a leaf out of Apples book and say updates are being pushed out after this event.
Apple isn't that different. Old toys don't get the new-fangled Siri thingie.
The 2nd-gen of Android tabs (mostly OMAP4) are only marginally better than the Teg2 hardware wise. ICS will be the big selling point. Differentiation means you don't let old toys have the same functions as the new, as that defeats the purpose of selling new toys.
Speaking of new toys, I like the MotoACTV. The first wearable (and likely hackable) Android device. It would be neat if one can shoehorn a full-fledged Android distro in there. Display is tiny, probably 320x240, but good enough for niche uses. Pricing is outrageous, but it'll drop soon enough.

no release date for ics....just for the nexus on november

they did release the SDK today tho !!!! gonna play with it now

jerses said:
I dont think so.maybe next year because ICS is the selling point of every new phone out there so they got to give them the novelty of ICS. Also i dont think they will release the code to devs (or what every they need to make chinese tablet) because of that. Imagine that you sell a $499 tablet vs a $99 tablet that has the same hardware...thats what they did with honeycomb. So my money is maybe on december after the samsung galaxy 3 gets old. Also, i think the tablets right now are really defragmented (dont know the word im looking for) so ICS have to pass from google to Motorola ( and we all know motorola) after ICS i guess we all going to get the same updates.sorry for the english
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actually the Source Code is already on AOSP's website for developers.

pardon my ignorance but sdk is good for making roms or just to make apps for it...or just to release hacks for other platforms like 3.2.2 ,etc. i just know its good lol but dont know what good it can be.

With the Galaxy Nexus not being released until sometime in November I think we may be waiting until December for an official release. Hope the devs can pull a rabbit out of a hat.
SDK could bring us a release but hardware acceleration is unlikely until we see the official release.
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Droid RAZR to get Android 4.0.4 Ice Cream Sandwich on June 12

It’s always a pleasure to be the bearer of good news, especially when it comes to sharing with people what we know about an impending arrival of Ice Cream Sandwich on their Android devices. But before we do, we just want to make sure you know that this hasn’t been fully confirmed yet by Verizon. With that in mind, owners of Motorola Droid RAZR may want to mark down June 12 on their calendar, as that’s the date that Verizon apparently will roll out the ICS update for the two Droids.
According to internal sources quoted by CNET, the OTA update to Android 4.0.4 Ice Cream Sandwich for both Droid RAZR and RAZR Maxx will be pushed out on June 12. While there were plans to bring it out earlier, there was an issue with the server that was supposed to deliver the update — hopefully that’s been dealt with now.
The June 12 date certainly still falls in line with what Motorola has written on its website, where the ICS upgrade roll out for Droid RAZR and RAZR Maxx is expected to start in Q2 2012. In this case, the end of the second quarter more like. As always, we’ll let you know once we have more details. Feel free to share with our readers if you have some information or heard otherwise about the ICS update for the Droid RAZR and Droid RAZR Maxx.
let's wish motorola atrix 4g will get it in early july
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My money is on late Q3 for Atrix. Likely September I think.
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What's up with all these threads on ICS for non-Atrix phones?
Motorola said Q2 for the Droid RAZR. Q2 is almost at an end. If that's any indication of future performance, ICS for the Atrix may not come until closer to Q4.

Maybe this is great new for us. That update might have something usefull for our devs. Of course, not drivers, but maybe our very first Blur ICS Rom. plus Webtop 3.0 (Tablet ICS). Idk, maybe im too positive Lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.

Atrix_Owner said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.
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I wouldn't be surprised if at&t blocks it all together to try to get people to buy there already ics enabled phones. Or if they dont have a selection to block it so people will hold out for the next newest thing they'll get.

I'm hoping we'll see the soak test at the end of July and OTA by August just like last year's Gingerbread update.

djluis48 said:
Maybe this is great new for us. That update might have something usefull for our devs. Of course, not drivers, but maybe our very first Blur ICS Rom. plus Webtop 3.0 (Tablet ICS). Idk, maybe im too positive Lol.
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We'd need a phone with a Tegra 2 chipset.
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i doubt, maybe atrix dont receive update now.

ruterjunior said:
i doubt, maybe atrix dont receive update now.
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Have you seen something to make you think this?
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d3athsd00r said:
Have you seen something to make you think this?
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Doubt it. It's typical data-free speculation from the glass-is-half-empty crowd.

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Doubt it. It's typical data-free speculation from the glass-is-half-empty crowd.
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Is the glass half empty or half full?
To the Lean Engineer it's just too damned big!!!

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I wouldn't be surprised if Motorola decides to push it back in late Q4.
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I still think late Q3/early Q4. IMO the carriers will be more to blame getting their bloat on there. Then again all it really takes is one carrier worldwide, and CM9 will truly be in full effect.
I could care less about stock anyway. Once CM pulls out what it needs, I'll be wiping my phone for some CM9 goodness...
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consolation said:
We'd need a phone with a Tegra 2 chipset.
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As i said, not for drivers, but maybe something from the gui or anything
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atrix does not suports??
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The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
Just my 2 cents

schwarzlichtkind said:
The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
Just my 2 cents
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I hear what your saying, but I think the update is more of a public relations move. Our phone was only 8 months old when ics came out. There was lots of negative feedback towards moto for the response time about ics. If they dropped support on a flagship phone they would lose customers indefinitely.
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They would certainly loose me...
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schwarzlichtkind said:
The European Atrix is not very likely going to get ICS - back in February they first marked it as coming in Q3 and then set it back to Evaluation & Planning.
So I wouldn´t be suprised if they cancel the Update for North America. See, the Atrix is 1.5 years old and although it still can be regarded as "High End", there are other, newer phones from Motorola in the pipeline. Call me glass-half-empty, I´m just realistic. Motorola, like any other company, has to make profit and shelling out money for an update for an outdated device (yes, it can be considered as such since there is already an Atrix 2) is just a service.
I still hope to see my Atrix rocking fully functional ICS, but I wouldn´t be suprised if it never happened.
Just my 2 cents
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This makes little sense.
If a customer sees that their device is "old" compared to others, and realizes that the issue is lack of support from Moto, the response will be to buy another brand of phone.
On the scale of things, it is not a big effort for Moto to release for other devices based on the same platform. I would imagine the true engineering effort is almost nothing, and the bottleneck is just getting it thorugh QA.
I would be very surprised to not see an AtrixG4 released in August.

DannyBiker said:
They would certainly loose me...
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They lost me already
I love my Atrix, and don't see any other device, for now, to replace to. However, I really doubt if I will buy another Moto device, with the only excepsion of a Moto-made Nexus. Moto's policy of locking the bootloaders, along with a very questionable updating history probably burned Moto's future for me, which is quite a shame since I really love their building quality and simple-and-non-cloned designs.