Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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You can't differentiate the performance of both device by general use.
Lets say the SGS has 1000BHP engine while the SGS2 has 2400BHP engine....
And general usage only requires 200BHP. In this scenario there will be no differences in performance because the extra horses haven't been utilised.
Therefore, you'd only see a difference in both devices if, i.e. an application the takes up for than 1000 horses AKA "1000BHP" simply because the SGS2 can output more "BHP" at peak than what the SGS can offer.
Semaphore kernels have touchscreen sensitivity set to "Sensitive(chainfire)" by default. That explains why touchscreen sensitivity on SGS with Semaphore kernel is higher than a SGS2 with stock kernel (both screens should be roughly identical on stock).
And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
There is still a lot of potential in our devices spike the fact that it is nearly 2 years from release unlike the HTC desire which struggled in the graphics department since it was released! ~ Asphalt 5..-_-
P.S. our device is till a runner up for productivity & Graphics
We are seeing compatibility with newer gameloft titles (<<<<funny that O2X's tegra versions run a awful lot better than PowerVR ones) and console quality games.
Official CyanogenMOD support and XDA dev support brings miracles
My sgs with debloated JW4, rfs (data/data smlink to dbdata), sephamore bigmem (default clock), is almost identical to my gf's sgs2 (factory rom) in speed, opening apps, web-browser etc.
And I overclock mine to 1.2ghz, it is incredibly fast . But my phone doesn't handle OC well at all
But of course, I think if the updates/mods her firmware, the sgs2 will be faster. but the SGS2 was not an amazing upgrade for me at all, it is like ip4 to ip4s.
Agreed, if the sgs2 was 'tuned' then it would be much faster, I was surprised to find my sgs keeping up with the sgs2 tho' as it appeared much slower when I last compared them
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Galaxy s has better 3D performance than s2.
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Wow, just been setting up sgs2 for a mate, his sgs2 is stock, I haven't used it for a few months and always found it to be lightning fast. However, my Sgs on jw4 and semaphore 274 clocked at 1.2 ghz, appeared no slower at all than the Sgs 2 with general usage. I was using it for at least 30 mins. In fact, my Sgs seemed a bit slicker, the screen is more sensitive, colors more vibrant, this is all down to wicked dev's. So maybe life in the old dog yet
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Another fact is gingerbread has poor dual core support. On ICS difference is bigger. But s2 and s is very close because of our devs. S is even better on some 3D parts. Mali gpu is 400mhz which is 2x of our gpu. Anyway our gpu wins it with 200mhz on some 3D textures. Think when we live oc it.
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And finally, SGS has Super Amoled which is more vibrant than SGS2 which has a Super Amoled Plus panel. Super Amoled panel uses "Pentile Matrix" arrangement which allows for images to appear more virbrant and saturated than Super Amoled Plus panel which uses regular 'RGB' pixel arrangement.
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This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.
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This is so wrong.
SGS2 Super Amoled Plus is better, then it's about calibration and the tools you use.
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I didn't say it was better, it was just about how the pixels were arranged. RGB is the best
Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, I think there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.
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Actually there is a race for more and more CPU cores, but SGS with ICS is really smooth, and if you don't plan to play high-end games, there is no real reason to change from SGS to SGS2.
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Agreed, saw no reason to sign up to an 18/24 month contract for the SGS2 when I don't play high end games. Genuinely have had the most pleasant time with this phone, more than any other phone I have owned and it STILL isn't letting me down, especially with Voodoo Sound. Thats why I will be getting the SGSIII. People dig at Samsung for some reason but I honestly don't know why, their phones are awesome. HTC phones are plagued with bugs and issues, the overall user satisfaction between the two is phenomenal, I didn't come close to having this feeling with HTC's phones. (Hero, HD2 & Desire).
Frankly is like comparing a Bicycle with a Motorcycle ... both have wheels, handle bars, etc but let's be realistic here.
SGS is fine, a cool phone, huge development potential but it will never be able to top a dual core that punches double the ram we have.
You can throw whatever daily scenario at it and I can bet you you will be more pleased with the SGS2 simple because you won't be annoyed by memory swapping (even with 370 MB kernels I feel the need for more RAM).
Only if you keep the ROMS clean without anything else but stock apps you will most likely wasting your money on SGS2, better yet buy an old phone that handles just calls, smartphones are for running apps.
Currently have both, and to be honest "form factor" of SI is better for me.
JW5 gingerbread + Semaphore is incredible!!!
S1 has better battery life, less lag, better colors, better sound, better development, and reached maturity where everything just works.
S2 still has a great dual core and working gps.
Thats what I said! I did notice the poor battery life on the sgs2, I swear I could almost see the battery level move as I used it...
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I don't get this???
U are saying that sgs and gs2 is equal in performance,screen resolution and so on
There is huge difference in those to phones in all aspects,gs2 is a lot better in every possible way u can think of. Don't get me wrong,i love my sgs and will never sell it,but u can't compare a sgs with a costum rom and a gs2 with stock rom, compare when both are on stock or costum rom for a fair and clear result. But even when sgs is costum and gs2 is stock the gs2 is alot better on high performance.
Btw. I've had my sgs for more than 18month and my gs2 since 11/5-2011 and my first custom rom was insanity on one of his first froyo build(0.21 i think.
Thanx
Edit:gs2 battery is poor on ics,but on ginger there's only about 30 min difference
But who wants to still be using GB? The SGS was an IS a remarkable phone, remember all that time people spent moaning when Samsung said it wasn't getting ICS? Yet here all of us are, running it smoother than ever with better battery life than the SGS2. Don't get me wrong I am not digging at the SII, its a brilliant phone and I probably would have taken it had I been due an upgrade around then, however, no one and I mean no one can slate the SGS for what its been capable of, its far surpassed most peoples expectations, including mine.
yeah our galaxy was / is a cool / great phone. but it's slowly becoming outdated in terms of performance when it comes to daily tasks and multitasking - I for one (and I repeat myself) am hurting due to low ram always.
you can barely run services in the background. add a custom keyboard and some fancy stuff and boom you will get lag. you can run FROYO, GB, ICS you name it, once ram gets "depleted" everything is slower.
Yeah I do agree that if you do have a lot running at once it can start to get sluggish, but I've personally accepted it since ICS and keep processes to a bare minimum. I suppose once I upgrade hopefully to the next Galaxy phone they bring out I'll get back into the swing of maxing out the phone but for now I'm quite content with stock ICS and just using simple tasking apps
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I was in the sprint store today and notice the Optimus S and was IMPRESSSED.
It's very responsive and smooth. I was really curious to why and after some research..
Qualcomm MSM7627 chipset with dual cores really help with graphics and games.
technical specs:
* Two ARM cores integrated into a single chip – a dedicated CPU core and a dedicated modem processor – for an unparalleled level of integration:
o 1. 600MHz applications processor with floating point unit and L2 cache
o 2. 400MHz modem processor
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Here's my video showcasing the SPEED of apps and games:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4chj2BOUec4
-1st app I launch was GoogleMaps, then Youtube, Angry Birds, and Burning Tires
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Compared it side by side (I have overclocked hero)
What I liked..
-TONS faster than hero, website scrolling smmooooth
-It's only $50...
-3G so no $10 surcharge
-Slightly brighter
-I believe it was 512mb ram (hero has 256?)
-Doesn't feel cheap at all
What didn't liked...
-No led light, but there's some apps that can make your phone vibrate for notifications
-Fiberglass display (scratches easier, but will not crack if dropped)
mxl180 said:
I was in the sprint store today and notice the Optimus S and was IMPRESSSED.
It's very responsive and smooth. I was really curious to why and after some research..
Qualcomm MSM7627 chipset with dual cores really help with graphics and games.
technical specs:
* Two ARM cores integrated into a single chip – a dedicated CPU core and a dedicated modem processor – for an unparalleled level of integration:
o 1. 600MHz applications processor with floating point unit and L2 cache
o 2. 400MHz modem processor
Compared it side by side (I have overclocked hero)
What I liked..
-Faster than hero, website scrolling smmooooth
-It's only $50...
-3G so no $10 surcharge
-Slightly brighter
-I believe it was 512mb ram (hero has 256?)
What didn't liked...
-No led light, but there's some apps that can make your phone vibrate for notifications
-Fiberglass display (scratches easier, but will not crack if dropped)
-Something I notice the DATA loading was noticeably slower on LG, maybe because my hero is cynogenmod data tweaked??
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i have both phones and i love the optimus. it loads up real fast compared to the hero. i will not get rid of my optimus unless it is for an evo. that is how good of a phone that i think it is. it also has alot hotter receiver in it and gets a signal in places that i couldn't before. overall i rate it an 8.5 out of 10
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i have both phones and i love the optimus. it loads up real fast compared to the hero. i will not get rid of my optimus unless it is for an evo. that is how good of a phone that i think it is. it also has alot hotter receiver in it and gets a signal in places that i couldn't before. overall i rate it an 8.5 out of 10
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Mm, thats nice to hear. Maybe my mom would like an Optimus instead of her crappy blackberry.
Intersting, I didn't expect it to be that great! Now I'm looking forward to try one out
I was looking at the Optimus too. My heart REALLY wants an Evo but my head just cant justify paying for the 4g service when it's not in my area and probably wont be for a very long time.
I just bought this phone and I am in LOVE. It feels soo good in your hand, perfect weight and balance. The screen is vibrant, battery life good, and with froyo 2.2 it is amazingly buttery smooth. It makes the EVO seem like a goliath in a good way. Perfect phone and I've owned alot of phones. Now wheres our roms??!
My sister just got one of these and I was thoroughly surprises as well. The speed of this phone puts the hero to shame. Everything is fast and smooth with no lag anywhere. The scrolling the app drawer and most noticeably the typing are all fast and smooth. I'm running cm6.1 overlooked and here phone stock is 10 times better. Angry birds runs perfect on it and the gallery and camera have no hesitation when opening or being used. This is a good phone. I'm seriously considering buying it to hold over until another top of the line is released for gingerbread.
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I was thinking about the lg. before we moved to verizon.. But since getting the droid incredible..I cant think of any android I would rather have atm..perfect size. and everything just blazes.. Sprint really needs something like the DINC without 4g.. etc,, cause they have a big hole in the android selection..
Those midrange.. like the sanyo and sammy. both suck.. basicly they need a evo with a smaller screen and no 3g. oh wait thats the DINC..lol
Thats the only thing I like bout verizon the selection... Sprint always has gaps.
But that lg does like pretty decent.. might tell my bro.. since he has one of my heros atm.. still have 2 in my dresser with my tp2 and a tour..
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My sister just got one of these and I was thoroughly surprises as well. The speed of this phone puts the hero to shame. Everything is fast and smooth with no lag anywhere. The scrolling the app drawer and most noticeably the typing are all fast and smooth. I'm running cm6.1 overlooked and here phone stock is 10 times better. Angry birds runs perfect on it and the gallery and camera have no hesitation when opening or being used. This is a good phone. I'm seriously considering buying it to hold over until another top of the line is released for gingerbread.
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I just tried it at the store and completely agree, it's a suuuuuper fast and smooth experience. I don't know how they did it, but it's a joy to use.
I also agree with the comment above me. The Droid Incredible has the best balance of performance and physical size, and it would be awesome if Sprint had something similar without the 4G $10/mo surcharge.
At first I was a little iffy about letting a relative get the Optimus S before I got a chance to use it and read up on the drvice. Boy was I blown away by the phones speed and smoothness. Its a nice device that I wouldn't mind having for daily use.
Form factor is nice as well. It would be nice is a few showed up on eBay at a reasonable price,I'd be interested in getting one off contract to hold be over if I need a phone.
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It will be $1.00 at Best Buy on Black Friday. I also saw something about it being FREE at Radio Shack.
I've been reading up on this phone all over on different forums and from what I've learned:
Rooting can be accomplished by using Z4Root from the Market - even after the recent OTA update.
The OTA update includes Swype.
No Flash yet. The GPU is fast enough, but apparently it isn't supported by Adobe. Not sure 100%, but the GPU may be missing a certain hardware component to allow for true GPU-accelerated Flash. It would explain part of the cheaper price.
I dont care how good it is, I will never in LIFE buy any LG phone i dont care how fast or sleek it is I just wont.....what.....I have my reasons lol. HTC for the win or samsung. That is all.
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I dont care how good it is, I will never in LIFE buy any LG phone i dont care how fast or sleek it is I just wont.....what.....I have my reasons lol. HTC for the win or samsung. That is all.
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Agreed!
Haha, I agree on the HTC front - they know how to make a sweet phone, but have you seen the garbage that is the Samsung Intercept and Samsung Transform? Complete junk. The only I had two Samsung phones in my life - some old silver flip phone, and the A900 (best flip phone ever!), but as far as I can tell the only quality phone they make now is the Epic (and variants).
Samsung Intercept and Samsung Transform?
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And Samsung Moment all use the same processor and have an OpenGL ready chipset and no OpenGL drivers. This makes the phones crap. The Intercept is also EVDO Rev.0 which I believe fixed the radio lock bug that plagued the Moment. The transform is Rev.A (without the radio lock) but the same attrocious OpenGL performance. Samsung has completely failed at producing decent mid and low range android devices. it's remarkable.
thats why sprint needs a middle of the ground high performer. like the htc incredible.. even though i hate verizon.. This phone has really impressed me so far..
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thats why sprint needs a middle of the ground high performer. like the htc incredible.. even though i hate verizon.. This phone has really impressed me so far..
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Forget middle of the road, I want a beastly dual core 4g monster!
A Sprint branded Desire Z/G2 would be really, really nice. I think Cyanogen said the G2 totally blows away his previous N1.
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A Sprint branded Desire Z/G2 would be really, really nice. I think Cyanogen said the G2 totally blows away his previous N1.
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Yeah, that with dual core!!!
Hero also haas a "dual core" modem/app processor. Technically the dual core devices that ate soon to got are tri core
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I'm strongly thinking about it as it is very tempting! Stock Android (soon to get CM7 which I'm currently using on my N1), bigger screen, dual-core, and HDMI-out (mirroring too). What do you guys think?
Went to Tmobile store today and played with one. It felt solid and seemed to perform fast around the launcher & home screens. But it just didn't feel that much different than my N1 and I don't like the large soft button space at the bottom. I'm holding out for the Pyramid now rumored to be here June 8th.
The Pyramid/Sensation looks absolutely amazing in terms of hardware; can't deny that. But HTC going the locked-bootloader route worries me. And the fact that Cyanogen himself bought a G2x makes it even more awesome. I love my N1 but I think I'm definitely going for a G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II this year.
Are you guys experience slow down on your n1? Cuz I am. My quadrant score on 6.1 was high running at 1113 MHz. Now its on cm7 stable release and the highest it can get is 1398. To back that up, sense preview isn't smooth anymore. Any idea?
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The Pyramid/Sensation looks absolutely amazing in terms of hardware; can't deny that. But HTC going the locked-bootloader route worries me. And the fact that Cyanogen himself bought a G2x makes it even more awesome. I love my N1 but I think I'm definitely going for a G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II this year.
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Agree, one of those 3 should be a super upgrade this year for me as well...
Switched today ..this phone is a great update
G2X seems to be cool,but I just ran out of money
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I'm most likely going to wait for the Pyramid/Sensation. Love HTC and that phone seems to be the first all-round upgrade to the N1. Gorilla glass, great display + GPU power to drive it, plenty of RAM + storage (compared to my N1!), good looks; only thing it's missing is the trackball LED. Why has everyone dropped the idea of a repeating notification system? I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.
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... I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.
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I even care about the trackball..moving cursor is so simple with it..I honestly miss the trackball!
I've switched to the OX2, seems worthy:
I'd consider the G2X if the 850 band was confirmed (? maybe it is/isn't, haven't checked in a day or two)
Currently, I'm happy with my phones, but I have a upgrade coming from AT&T in June and I suspect I will use it on a Galaxy S II (that is, if it's out on AT&T by then). This will be the first time in a while I've gotten to take advantage of an upgrade.
Edit: looks like no 850
I'm still holding out for the HTC Pyramid/Sensation ... I can live with the new HTC Sense for a few months before rooting the phone. Then when I root it it will be 1. like a new phone and 2. quite a bit faster. Kinda like a mini-upgrade to an upgraded phone!
You're assuming you'll be able to get round the locked bootloader though.
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You're assuming you'll be able to get round the locked bootloader though.
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He's an over achiever that's why lol: )
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only thing it's missing is the trackball LED. Why has everyone dropped the idea of a repeating notification system? I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.
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A) Because none of the phones coming out have multi-colored trackballs/trackpads. Actually, I don't think any other Android phone world-wide has a way to display multi-colored notifications. It looks like all manufacturers have dropped support for trackballs/trackpads in general (along with Google since they added the text selection features in Gingerbread). It's an amazing feature on the N1, but it's the first (and probably the last) phone to have it.
B) But it doesn't matter because XDA members have found alternate methods of notifications (ie using the backlight on the buttons, or a few pixels on the screen, etc)
The HTC Dream, G1, had a multi-colored notification light that wasn't implanted inside the trackball. And it was awesome. It can't be that hard to bring that tiny little multi-colored LED back, but apparently no one really cares. Cause it would still be in HTC phones today. Or I guess it could have been removed for aesthetics.
I honestly don't know why the G2X doesn't interest me. It is incredibly fast, it runs stock Android (which I don't like), and it is on my carrier. But this device simply doesn't manage to spark my interest. I guess compared to other device coming out this year it simply isn't that impressive. The Tegra 2 found in the device isn't that great in comparison to the Adreno 220 found in the HTC Sensation and Exynos found the Galaxy S2, it also has a sub-par screen and an unnecessarily large bezel.
The only reason for me to get this device would be the developer support, but then again, even if Cyanogen himself doesn't have a device doesn't mean it won't be graced with CyanogenMod. Ehhh, I'm pretty sure I'll be skipping this. However iff it is the only thing good on T-Mobile when my contract is up I might have to get it.
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it also has a sub-par screen
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Explain?!
It's an IPS LCD as used in the iPhone 4.
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The Tegra 2 found in the device isn't that great in comparison to the Adreno 220
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Actually, quite the opposite. The 220 is just barely, barely faster, and in some cases (3D) the 2X pulls ahead. Check out these benchmarks from Anandtech (and note: these are for a 1.5 GHz Adreno 220 whereas the Sensation will be 1.2 GHz):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/3
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(The above 1.5 GHz test device is also not battery optimized at all, so performance may be even lower once HTC tweaks the real 1.2 GHz device to take that into account.)
Either way, it's at least a 200-300% improvement over the N1. I'd love to buy a G2x but will if and only if my N1 sells well on eBay (will list it this weekend, any takers? )
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Explain?!
It's an IPS LCD as used in the iPhone 4.
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Having an IPS screen has barely anything to do with color reproduction, it more so benefits viewing angles. Which aren't even a problem with AMOLED, Super AMOLED, or Super LCD as is. The IPS LCD screen compared to those listed above is only decent. Washed out compared to the others with blacks that can't even compare to AMOLED.
SAMOLED - SLCD - IPS LCD
And this is before Super AMOLED Plus~
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Actually, quite the opposite. The 220 is just barely, barely faster, and in some cases (3D) the 2X pulls ahead. Check out these benchmarks from Anandtech (and note: these are for a 1.5 GHz Adreno 220 whereas the Sensation will be 1.2 GHz):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/3
(The above 1.5 GHz test device is also not battery optimized at all, so performance may be even lower once HTC tweaks the real 1.2 GHz device to take that into account.)
Either way, it's at least a 200-300% improvement over the N1. I'd love to buy a G2x but will if and only if my N1 sells well on eBay (will list it this weekend, any takers? )
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Yes... and you posted the only result that put the Tegra above the Adreno 220. In all others, it clearly came out ahead. Though that 1.5GHz clock might really account for those differences. I doubt even underclocked to 1.2GHz would it make the Adreno 220 less powerful than the Tegra 2, but who am I to say?
1) Need an AT&T 3G compatible device
2) Strongly prefer a stock Android device that receives its updates from Google.
The Nexus One is the only device out that fulfills both of my requirements.
I wouldn't mind a Nexus S if the AT&T band version ever comes out :-\
Wow. From preliminary testing, the Sensation's performance is pretty underwhelming. I was seriously considering it before I got the SGS2 because I've had a lot of luck with HTC phones and I like the QHd screen. I'm not Sensation bashing but the results speak for themselves. The phone got really low quadrant scores when it was tested pre-production as the Pyramid. They've improved, but not tremendously.
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SlashGear 5/20/11 - In terms of performance, the Galaxy S II keeps its crown at this early stage. We ran benchmarking tool Quadrant Advanced, and the Samsung scored 3504 overall, with 7119 in the CPU category. In contrast, the HTC managed 2245 overall, with 5918 in the CPU category. I/O is also low, at half the score that the GSII manages. Bear in mind, though, that raw benchmarks generally don’t tell the whole story, and depending on how HTC (and Samsung) throttles its processor, results will vary widely (you can see that in the video above, where both phones get different in a different run of Quadrant; the CPU appears to be so new that Quadrant can’t identify it, either, in the System Info pane).
It’s too early to say whether the Sensation offers enough to take the Galaxy S II’s spot at the top of our Android leaderboard, that will have to wait for the full review. Its display holds up surprisingly well to Samsung’s Super AMOLED Plus, though we’ll have to see whether it can match the GSII’s impressively lengthy battery life.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-sensation-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-video-20153280/
For skeptics, go here and watch the benchmarking and web browsing tests of the Sensation before leaping to its defense.
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen
P.S. - I'm sure as HTC's flagship it's a great phone and will undoubtedly serve millions of users well and develop a loyal fan base. But, for this user, I'm happy I went with the SGS2.
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
In fairness to the HTC, Quadrant scores really have to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride for the most part. Still, unless they have put a decent battery in the thing, I can't imagine it will compete in that respect. The Desire HD has a terrible battery life.
EDIT - having looked at the HTC's specs it really is in 2nd place behind the Samsung in my view. At best it could match the performance of the Exynos but I suspect it won't be able to when software is written to take advantage of Samsung's chip, it only has 768mb of ram (as opposed to 1gb on the GS2) and 1gb of internal storage unless you put a card in it (in comparison to 16gb on the GS2 currently). Then there is the battery life which is less. You only have to look at the screen shot above to see the screen isn't as good quality wise. In fact, apart from the increased screen resolution and perhaps HTC Sense, I can't see a single thing I would take over the Samsung.
You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either
dk206 said:
take note that resolution in the Sensation is higher than SGS. Given that though. Still Samsung's own Exynos chip craps over all others.
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CPU test has nothing to do with resolution.
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we can't also ignore the 3d tests being capped to 60fps on samsung either
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I wonder if there is any method to test the full potential of the gpu bypassing the 60fps cap? Just to know what this is capable of
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You realize quadrant doesn't use multiple cores right? Quadrant is a **** benchmark, use smartbench2011 or something (btw I knw u didn't test these)
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I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.
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I wouldn't have been so taken aback if it was just one benchmark by one source. The only reason I'm even following the Sensation is I could have gotten it for 1/2 of what I paid for the SGS2 and wanted to see if I made the right choice (and I'm objective enough to admit failure). It's still early and once more are in the wild we'll see how it fares in things like battery life, camera, sound, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS which we have no shortage of comments on.
Watch this, it's a benchmark of Quadrant and Linpack and the reviewer is certainly being objective:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/search/10/6RHziztN2gs
And this is real-time browser performance:
http://www.youtube.com/user/samjpullen#p/u/11/JBJT_n6u7Wk
Again, not bashing the Sensation but both HTC and Samsung have gone out of their way to position the Sensation and SGS2 as their "flagships" opening up the right to be critical. With people on this forum going nuts about a .05 second delay after hitting the home button imagine the hue and cry if the SGS2's browser behaved the way the Sensation's does.
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WOW, and that's with "on demand" flash..? the SGSII gets WAY better than that with "always on" It really is like night & day when it comes to performance. I guess you gotta take into consideration that the sensation IS a QHD screen..? More pixels..? Either way, the super amoled + makes up for that loss and then some.
Galaxy S2 is better but I love the build quality of the Sensation
The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?
Looking at the article on Anandtech
anandtech(dot)com/show/4144/lg-optimus-2x-nvidia-tegra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
The Qualcomm CPU is only partially out of order. It is more similar to a Cortex A8 than the Cortex A9. Since A9 is faster than A8, I guess, clock for clock comparision, Sensation's slower performance is expected.
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The cpu part of quadrant or the benchmark overall?
Because resolution is a HUGE part in scores.
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Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?[/QUOTE said:
No, only ~500 less.
Its even below droid X2....
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The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.
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The sensation has the same problems everyother htc phone has. Your guaranteed to have crappy audio(tiny sound) and dust under screen.
Does the qhd screen make sensation near a 1000 points less then the sgs2?
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Starting to wonder if the bad audio (both loudspeaker, and tinny call quality) have something to do with the build materials used? Both Samsung and Motorola = plastic and have superior sound in comparison. Sigh, guess I'm waiting until a Canadian carrier picks up the GS2, and hopefully by then, most issues with it are sorted.
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The sensation might nit be the fastest phone but it had Sense, after coming from the Desire to the SGS2 I appreciate how much effort the put into that to create their user experience, it beats the iphone hands down.
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I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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I must be one of the few people on here who never really liked Sense.
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Your not alone. Not that I didn't like it, I just find LauncherPro better. ON my Desire - it's a LOT let laggy. A few widgets and it was lag-central on Sense - but i will miss the general UI if I get a GSII such as the round-edged-rectangular boxes, the colours. I generally prefer it to the blocky rectangles on TOuchWiz, but then again TW looks really sleek.
Also people must stop confusing build quality with "feel". the build quality is "supposed" to be superb. it's made from a lot of plastic, yet there are no creaks. It's the the lightness and the "feel" of the plastic that makes it feel like a "poor" phone. There is only one upside though - when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)
when you drop it, because it's not heavy it's not going to hit the ground with as much force.
(feel free to correct me if you actually have a GSII, which I don't! :/)
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Brb dropping phone off of a building
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Brb dropping phone off of a building
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haa. Just trying to apply physics GCSE revision to real life situations!
Hello everyone, I want to buy a Nexus 4. Right now, I am using the Galaxy S i9000. My questions are:
- How's the phone in terms of speed? (in comparison to your other/older phones)
- Does it still heat up?
- How's gaming? (if you do play games on it)
- How's the battery life? (please mention if you're on custom or stock roms)
Thank you
Blazing fast phone, only the newer high end phones are faster than this.
I dont do a lot of gaming so I cant say but Ive never had overheating issues.
The battery life is quite good and I think its only because of a few people mentioning the battery that it has become a big topic for this phone.
It would have been so much easier to read through one of the bazillion other 'what's this phone like' threads but anyway:
-Easily the fastest phone I've ever used
-Mine gets hotter than I expect but nothing more than my old HD2
-Gaming is great, sometimes apps aren't perfectly optimised so they won't seem as fast as on the iPhone 5 but other than that you'll struggle to find a device that beats the N4. In addition, the expanded desktop mode found in many custom ROMs really adds to the experience.
-Battery life is quite good for me, I can regularly get through a day.
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Hello everyone, I want to buy a Nexus 4. Right now, I am using the Galaxy S i9000. My questions are:
- How's the phone in terms of speed? (in comparison to your other/older phones)
- Does it still heat up?
- How's gaming? (if you do play games on it)
- How's the battery life? (please mention if you're on custom or stock roms)
Thank you
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Speed: This is the fastest phone I have ever used. Period.
Does it heat up: If you're charging the phone and doing heavy gaming, yes it'll heat up. Under normal usage however, my phone remains completely cool.
Gaming: Haven't found a single game this thing can't run.
Battery life: Easily makes it through a day. Typically see 4-5 hours of screen-time depending on whether or not I have WiFi access (WiFi gives more battery life, 3G uses battery a bit more).
Best phone I've ever owned! With that said, the n4 is not for everyone. I'm a minimalist at heart so I prefer vanilla. Hardware wise, yeah, no phone can compete with the n4 at its price point...
The phone does heat up a bit, I under volt to help deal with this issue. It doesn't bother me that much even though it has gotten really hot a couple of times.
I don't game much with my n4 though so I wouldn't know about how it handles them.
Battery life is actually pretty good. As long as you are realistic with expectations the battery life is pretty darn good. I can get 10+ hours of moderate-heavy use, 3+ hrs sot and the rest of the time I'm playing music over vanilla music player and doing what it is that I do on a day to day basis with my phone(texting, emails, xda).
All in all, a great all around phone!
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butter fast stock
heat, you will feel heat because of glass back; but not an issue for cpu, cpu can handle that heat. if its uncomfortable you can go custom kernel like franco, or even UV.
great screen for gaming
battery life is great for me on 4.2.2, but ymmv
Phone is amazingly fast. I come from a 2+ year old smartphone that was single core and only had 512mb of ram (HTC vision or G2). In today's standards that is very slow. It would just always lag. It would take like 10 seconds to open an app and then face lag every where on the app. One time it took me five minutes to open the dialer. On the nexus 4 apps open almost instantly.
Let's not forget that this phone is eye candy. It's a very nice looking phone.
First few charges the battery life will be sluggish. After that I easily get about 20 hours of battery life.
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Love the device.
Oh, owners may think it gets really hot because the way the back glass disperses the heat but in reality, doesn't run much hotter than any other high end phone. Just feels like it.
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Thanks to everyone who replied. Now, I'm quite assured that this will be the phone for me. I'll leave the poll and the thread open for anyone who wants to add his/her opinion, until i buy the N4.
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Speed: No lags at all whatsoever, even when underclocked heavily to 1.3GHz, or even 1GHz from the stock 1.5
Heat: It doesn't heat up that much at all in anything I do, partly due to the undervolting I have done on [Trinity 113b] Kernel
Gaming: I don't play heavy hardcore games like Need for Speed, but I do play casual games and no lag at all on any of those.
Battery: I am very pleased with the performance on battery. With custom ROM and kernel, this is my daily screen on time and routine with wifi
Notice even with close to 6 hours of screen on time I still have a whopping 33% of battery life.
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Hello everyone, I want to buy a Nexus 4. Right now, I am using the Galaxy S i9000. My questions are:
- How's the phone in terms of speed? (in comparison to your other/older phones)
- Does it still heat up?
- How's gaming? (if you do play games on it)
- How's the battery life? (please mention if you're on custom or stock roms)
Thank you
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Personally went from a 3 year old i9000, which has served me well over the years and gone through many custom ROMS, to a Nexus 4, and I'm very happy with it.
If you're not a custom ROM kind of guy and like the stock Samsung software you might be better served by an S3. It has a better camera and battery life.
Personally I chose the Nexus 4 instead because it is blazing fast and has brilliant support from custom ROM developers (I'd rather have the latest version of Android over Samsung's version), and I like the way it looks.
In terms of speed and gaming you will find it an incredible improvement over your S1, as I did. It just does not lag - it's blazing fast, responsive and smooth.
Put it in a case because I do not think it will cope with drops as well as the S1 did.
i9000 is notorious for bad GPS so you will probably be happier when you're using it for Navigation too.
Audio output is weaker compared to an i9000 with Voodoo sound but still ok, some custom kernels/apps can boost that.
Haven't had heat issues. Battery life isn't the best but is much better than my S1 was. At the end of my work day my S1 was around 55-65% but my N4 is at 75-80%.
MisT. said:
Hello everyone, I want to buy a Nexus 4. Right now, I am using the Galaxy S i9000. My questions are:
- How's the phone in terms of speed? (in comparison to your other/older phones)
- Does it still heat up?
- How's gaming? (if you do play games on it)
- How's the battery life? (please mention if you're on custom or stock roms)
Thank you
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- It's very fast
- with franco kernel + uv settings i don't have any problems, not even at gaming, with stock kernel it heats up much.
- just played Real Racing 3 today without any problems, really smooth. (without heating up the device)
- battery life is ok
Maddmatt said:
Personally went from a 3 year old i9000, which has served me well over the years and gone through many custom ROMS, to a Nexus 4, and I'm very happy with it.
If you're not a custom ROM kind of guy and like the stock Samsung software you might be better served by an S3. It has a better camera and battery life.
Personally I chose the Nexus 4 instead because it is blazing fast and has brilliant support from custom ROM developers (I'd rather have the latest version of Android over Samsung's version), and I like the way it looks.
In terms of speed and gaming you will find it an incredible improvement over your S1, as I did. It just does not lag - it's blazing fast, responsive and smooth.
Put it in a case because I do not think it will cope with drops as well as the S1 did.
i9000 is notorious for bad GPS so you will probably be happier when you're using it for Navigation too.
Audio output is weaker compared to an i9000 with Voodoo sound but still ok, some custom kernels/apps can boost that.
Haven't had heat issues. Battery life isn't the best but is much better than my S1 was. At the end of my work day my S1 was around 55-65% but my N4 is at 75-80%.
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Thanks, I'm glad to find somebody who had an S1. Talking about dropping the phone, I bought a cover for my S after it fell and broke the back cover :laugh: . I'm definitely getting a cover for my N4.
Hi Guys. Looking for honest opinions on the Nexus 7 (2013) as I have the Nexus 7 (2012) 32Gb and am looking to upgrade. Want to know if it's worth it? I know the spec is better, but wanted some opinions of people who have used it to advise how it feels, have the touchscreen issues been fixed, and other reported issues with first batches. Many Thanks in advanced
Is an upgrade in every aspect of the first. The screen is sooooo much better and with the new processor there is zero lag. Those were my main two issues with the first and I'm extremely happy with the second one.
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I'm coming from the ASUS TF300T (10" tablet). Granted, I never used the OG N7, but the TF300T also has a Tegra 3 processor, just clocked a little slower.
Physical differences:
While the change in size was a little bit of an adjustment for me (took like 20mins of use), it quickly grew on to me. I can easily hold it with one hand, as opposed to resting the 10" across my upper arm/wrist. It also fits into the pocket of just about any of my pants, and you would never tell.
Speed vs. Lag:
I can tell you that the difference between the two is night and day. You barely notice the tab slow down if you are installing/updating apps. There were times where the browser would not respond to my pinches, but the navigation bar would still respond as normal. I'm not sure if that's a problem with the tablet, or with Chrome. Might be Chrome, but I haven't used ugh of the other browsers (except for Dolphin, which allows me to save my downloads where I want to before it begins).
Multitasking is awesome. You sometimes forget which apps were running in the background, but 8 different apps later, and the old ones still reload instantly, without any redraw.
Conclusion:
This was my short review of the N7.2. I know that I left out a lot of topics, but I listed the reasons why I switched. Yes, the OG N7 isn't slow, but going forward, you will begin to see where its older hardware begins to lag behind.
The upgrade isn't necessary, in my opinion, but it's worth the money. If it's too much of a sacrifice, then simply wait for something that's way better.
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Big upgrade for me. The screen is much better, imo, and I don't have any touchscreen issues.
I like the slightly slimmer form factor, and the speed bump is noticeable to me.
No regrets upgrading from the original N7 here.
Look at it like this:
I am speaking from experience I own both models 2012 and 2013
Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
Now... as far as overall smooth performance and usage the new N7 is the clear winner since it runs at higher frequencies and has a better CPU, better screen with higher ppi. You also have more RAM, dual speakers, two cameras, and less bezzel.
They are both great I own N7 2012 32GB wifi and N7 2013 32GB LTE.
I use my old one only for games so memory is full now and use my new one mainly for every thing from emails for work, apps, surfing and even voice calls with groove ip. you can still play games and they look great but I feel tegra is always going to deliver slightly and maybe even better gaming performance with future tegra chips.
hope it helps this is just my take on it
Edit: Don't get me wrong it is deffinitely an upgrade in every sense of the word, and I would say go and upgrade but it really depends what you use it for and if it makes sense to spend the money as well. The new N7 is a great device and I waited for it very much until the ATT version came out on GOOGLE PLAY.. just depends what you want it for that's all
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Tegra 3 still kicks the adreno GPU's butt at games no matter what people try to tell me.Consider this....on the TEGRA N7 you can O.C you GPU to over 600 MHZ...its not the safest but its wayhigher and performs better than the 2013 model which tops out at UNDER 500MHZ.
I have both tablets on the same ROM with the same kernel running at their stock frequencies and tegra delivers better gaming despite the 2012 N7 screen being crappy.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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Yeah hard to believe tegra 3 I could function better on games, even if you could oc the gpu a little higher.
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i have a tegra 3 device and an Xperia Z (adreno 320-1080p).
on the z every game works lagfree on highest graphics, on tegra there are a lot of lags and stutters.
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Whether to upgrade or not is going to come down to personal wants and needs, I think.
My personal experience:
I've spent a total of probably an hour, over the course of a couple visits, playing with the 2013 model at a local store. That was enough device time for me to decide that the upgrade wasn't worth it....for me. I did everything I normally do (or as much as possible with a display model) on the 2013 and came away underwhelmed. For my needs (reading, email, news, calendar) I really couldn't tell the difference between the two (the screen included).
Anyway, my needs are obviously simple, so mileage will vary.
I have upgraded and can say: A huge improvement!
On the 2012 model, display contrast was poor, and text was not completely sharp - so you could read web sites with small text on it, but it was straining for the eyes, especially when the text was not black (e.g grey like in the Play Store or Youtube app).
On the 2013 model, all is very easily readable and eye-friendly (although my Tablet Z has even better contrast).
This alone is worth an upgrade.
I like my new Nexus 7, just as much as I enjoyed the 1st gen I had.
As the old model is an awesome tablet, I managed to sell it easily, and the price to upgrade was minimal, so that was a great incentive to upgrade. The new model has these improvements that I think is worth the upgrade:
A) the faster speed/processor plus the 2MB ram... everything is just slightly less laggy, most notably when multitasking many RAM-heavy apps at once, and switching back and forth between them
B) the dual/stereo speakers is a nice upgrade
C) the lack of any noticible pixels in the screen due to the massive resolution bump-up
D) the form factor of both models is excellent, but the new one is a bit lighter (quite a bit) plus thinner and all around better to handle
E) I don't have a cellphone, so the rear camera is a nice addition
Really though, both are excellent in all regards... I don't play GPU intensive games, so maybe there is a reason to upgrade as well, but I doubt it... If you can sell your 1st one easily, do it... Whoever gets your old one will be getting a killer tablet, and you will be (slightly) future-proofing yourself by having the latest and greatest.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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Tegra 4 GPU isn't that bad. It's just a bit better than Adreno 320 but behind 330.
I have the tf300 and now the n7 2013, I think for browsing and other small things they are equally smooth (provided you run 4.3 on the tf300, otherwise it's laggy as hell) but I have to say this screen is beautiful, as good as the HTC one x (which is pretty damn good, just not as good as the HTC one), font in portrait are crisp and easy to read, unlike for instance the tf300 which could really only be used in landscape. Viewing angles are good too unlike for instance the tablet z.
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You must get a lot of people trying to tell you otherwise. Come on, the Adreno 320 dumps all over the Tegra 3's GPU both on paper and in benchmarks and pretty sure I've seen some actual game results too. It's also a widely known fact that that NVIDIA has always sucked for mobile GPU's, even still with the Tegra 4.
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I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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sk8trix said:
I don't go by benchmarks benchmarks are useless... I play the same game on both and I notice the tegra 3 will play them way better regardless what a piece paper says. I don't wanna try to convince you because it really doesn't do anything for me lol but having both I can see the differences and where one beats the other.
Its very funny you bring up benchmark results though and amusing....I guess you haven't read all the recent stuff about how most OEMS cheat benchmarks but then again some people will believe whatever they're told. I guess if I tell u apples are blue you'd believe it.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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Well most of those benchmarks have the exact same workload as playing a game, thus it is impossible for a GPU 3x faster in such benchmarks to be slower in a game, unless there are serious issues with the game itself.
Also, you must be too slow to comprehend what you read, otherwise you'd know that stock Android devices (Nexuses) don't cheat in any way. Therefore how could OEMs cheating in benchmarks affect comparing a Nexus 7 2012 to 2013 in any way whatsoever? Lol you should probably just stop posting you obviously have no idea what you are on about.
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agreed.