In the Comm Manager, I try to switch Data Connection (HSDPA for me on Orange UK) off, but it keeps coming on.
I don't want it on!
Is there a better way to keep it switched off until I request it to be re-enabled?
Should only come on when an app requests data access. Have you got something running in the background? Quickgps perhaps?
i can't turn mine off via the Comm Manager unless i put the phone in GSM only. fyi, the HD 3G bands don't work in the US.
Windows Live Messenger is running in the background but that should be sorted by the WiFi which is on.
I go into the Proxy Settings for Orange Internet and untick the box that says that "this connects to the internet". But then it automatically ticks itself again and connects!
Perhaps it's an Orange problem?
Don't think so - I'm on Orange too and it doesn't happen. Anyway, it's the phone's choice to connect to HSDPA, it has to actively make the connection.
My best guess is your phone is losing connection with your wifi for short periods, and thus resorting to the backup hsdpa.
I think I've found a solution:
http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2008/11...nternet-hspda-gprs-3g-edge-off.html#more-1863
Download here:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
EDIT or here:
http://www.4shared.com/file/34306709/f45622d6/NoData.html?start=
Aren't you confusing 2 icons ?
The big plain H only means that SSDPA is available on the network. This doesn't mean you arer *using* HSDPA at this time.
The icon to look at is the one just on the right of the big H. When you are using HSDPA, it shows a little H with 2 arrows below. If it shows an antenna with the signal level bar below, you are not using HSDPA, but only GSM.
At least it's the way it works on mine. As soon as I need data transmission (like for weather forecast), it uses HSDPA since it is available. Otherwise, it uses GSM. Therefore,
mine turns itself on when i recieve a mms....could you be recieving one?
Close all applications using it!
Sometimes I forget to close Opera after using it, and it happens to me too!
Hi guys,
I've been a HTC and Windows Mobile user a little while now. I previously had a Trinity (HTC 3600) and now I have the Touch HD. It has come to my attention that I really need to figure out what the data terminology really means.
I have noticed that when using my phone, data connections are automatically initiated when I perform/launch specific applications that are obviously using a data connection, such as:
- Google Maps
- Tom Tom Traffic
- Internet (opera/internet explorer)
- Manilla 3D Weather
- Manilla Photo uploading
- etc.
I have found it annoying at times that data connections have started without informing me, and then to make things worse, the connection doesnt cancel at the end of its task, it needs a manual disconnect.
I've gradually gone through the settings of most programs, turning off any form of "automatic update" setting. So im happier knowing that most of the time my phone shouldnt be unexpectidly in the middle of a data connection.
But on occasions I look at my phone, and see that its had a data connection open for over an hour (although my guess is that hardly any data has been transfered on these occasions).
So firstly, could anyone reccomend any programs that can monitor my data connections or usage and even force me to give authorisation whenever a data connection is requested?
Secondly, I find that if I have my wifi connection connected, all apps that try to use a data connection use this to channel their data through, this is perfectly fine and is the behaviour I expect, but when I'm using Windows Messenger on my phone, while on wifi, for some unknown reason, it feels it can establish another data connection (regardless of the wifi being connected and operating) - and that is very annoying.
Most of my concerns stem from the fact that I only have off-peak free data time on the web with my provider (Orange).
Lastly, could someone help explain the differences between:
GPRS
3G
HSDPA
I think GPRS is what sat nav apps use for geographical positioning using satelites, and its free. But im not sure about the others, are there others that I am unaware of too. I think 3G and HSDPA are data connections, but what makes one different from the other, and why is it only sometimes 3G is used, and another time HSDPA is used?
Im in London, UK, and I notice on my phones signal bar, that it can often change to show a "G" or a "H" or a "3G" and there could be others. This is all so confusing, and my main concern is about paying for data connections etc.
Oh... and whats the difference, or whats the point of telling the phone to use "Work" or "The Internet", this also confuses me.
Although this is a bit of a long winded post, I'll appriciate any bits of help and advice given.
Thanks in advanced,
WizzKidd
Ok, i've been doing some reading, and for the sake of those who "search" these forums in the future, this post will at least have an answer (even if im kinda answering it myself).
My understanding is as follows:
The 4 data channels are: GSM / GPRS / 3G / EDGE
In order of their age (oldest to newest)...
GSM: (Global System for Mobile communications)
- The European standard for the majority of handsets.
- Primary usage is voice.
- Tri-band GSM allow Europe to operate these phones and Quad-band GSM allows some Far East to operate.
- Can be used with the GPRS core network for data.
GPRS:
- One of the first widely used data channels
- Can transmit data of up to 60 KBits/sec
- is battery friendly
EDGE: (Exchanged Data rates for GSM Evolution)
- based on GPRS
- Can transmit up to 473.6 KB/its per second
- ideal for heavy webpages, and downloading email attachments etc
3G:
- Originally for video data calls but also efficient for web/email, im and voip
- very popular channel, most UK and some European networks now have 3G networks and with speeds similar to EDGE
- not battery friendly when searching for new 3G connections
HSDPA: (High speed Downlink Packet Access)
- Based on 3G technology
- Supports speeds of up to 7.2 MBits/sec (but in reality you usually get 3Mb/s)
- very good for high bandwidth usage like video streaming
So, what ive gathered from all this is that the phone can switch its data channel depending on how demanding the application is for bandwidth and also what data channels are available in the area.
Please correct me if i am wrong, assumtions and corrections is the best way to learn.
Thanks,
Wizzkidd
PS. I still dont see the point of Windows Mobile asking me if this network is connected to "Work" or "The Internet".
Isn't HSDPA also called 3G+ ?
GPRS
Hai Wizzkidd
What you can do is: put gprs off. Go to settings-> connections-> connections. On the tab tasks you wil see: my isp. Open de link modify and select your isp. Hold it down and remove settings.
You will still be able to make phonecalls and sms. You will have to get your updates etc... through wifi or sync.
me to, Orange/(3G) - are they the same ?????
wizzkidd said:
Hi guys,
I have found it annoying at times that data connections have started without informing me, and then to make things worse, the connection doesnt cancel at the end of its task, it needs a manual disconnect.
I've gradually gone through the settings of most programs, turning off any form of "automatic update" setting. So im happier knowing that most of the time my phone shouldnt be unexpectidly in the middle of a data connection.
But on occasions I look at my phone, and see that its had a data connection open for over an hour (although my guess is that hardly any data has been transfered on these occasions).
So firstly, could anyone reccomend any programs that can monitor my data connections or usage and even force me to give authorisation whenever a data connection is requested?
Secondly, I find that if I have my wifi connection connected, all apps that try to use a data connection use this to channel their data through, this is perfectly fine and is the behaviour I expect, but when I'm using Windows Messenger on my phone, while on wifi, for some unknown reason, it feels it can establish another data connection (regardless of the wifi being connected and operating) - and that is very annoying.
Most of my concerns stem from the fact that I only have off-peak free data time on the web with my provider (Orange).
Lastly, could someone help explain the differences between:
GPRS
3G
HSDPA
I think GPRS is what sat nav apps use for geographical positioning using satelites, and its free. But im not sure about the others, are there others that I am unaware of too. I think 3G and HSDPA are data connections, but what makes one different from the other, and why is it only sometimes 3G is used, and another time HSDPA is used?
Im in London, UK, and I notice on my phones signal bar, that it can often change to show a "G" or a "H" or a "3G" and there could be others. This is all so confusing, and my main concern is about paying for data connections etc.
Oh... and whats the difference, or whats the point of telling the phone to use "Work" or "The Internet", this also confuses me.
Although this is a bit of a long winded post, I'll appriciate any bits of help and advice given.
Thanks in advanced,
WizzKidd
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firstly = http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/ - not TESTED on my ELF { http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318414&page=4 }
secondly = I had to 'make do' with a 'modem', for a bit. A '3' ZTE MF622 USB modem, it uses hdspa/3G. network3's website, classes this modem as a phone/sim - was PAYG, though (mythree. . . . ) - - - - THE HDSPA downloaded, "" faster at times than virgin-cabled Bband did !!! "" - watch [task mgr]->[network]
thirdly = NICE ONE !!! 9.75/10 for the (101/explaination's of the connections) and the check Ur not updating Ur Apps, all/some of the time.
shame the [comm mgr]->[phone]="wake on lan"/(x)
still under usb, i cannot Ms Direct push / Data connect
only LIVE via usb - NO WIFI (connected, but ...)
networks
Hi,
I think your question about preventing automatic connection has been explained.
As for GPRS, 3G and HSDPA,
They are all cellular data connections but will vary in speed and stability.
GPRS and EDGE (can provide what each stand for but i am sure google would do the work for me)
They are the packet data networks when using the 2G networks. GPRS (2.5G f you will) has downlink speeds of around 28kb/s and EDGE (2.75G) 100kb/s.
3G (UMTS) max's out around 384kb/s and officially HSDPA (3.5G) can is commercially available at 7.2mbps. All the speeds above are network dependant as all can be capped.
Most operators are now testing HSDPA and HSUPA (3.75G - same downlink speed as HSDPA but faster uplink, the speed however escapes me ) on speeds greater than 7.2mbps.
You will not be charged differently for each network type and each will come out of a data plan at the same rate.
The 2G networks are more stable but slower and the 3G networks are faster but due to congestion issues the connections have been known to drop as i am sure some other users will agree.
The thing sat nav software uses for positioning is GPS (Global positioning system) and not GPRS (general packet radio service). GPS is a handset feature like wifi or bluetooth and nothing to do with the network.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Ross
HSDPA
Hey guys, I just wana know if any of you know how to make your phone connect using hsdpa only. Because this is realy fast compared to other connections, and its annoying when the device switches to gprs or some other type of connection which makes the net super slow.
Ok GSM is a wireless technology like CDMA it has very little to do with actual data use.
GPRS(2G), EDGE(2.5G), UMTS(3G), HSDPA (also 3G), HSUPA(3G yet again), HSPA+(3.5G) All of these, are technologies that allow internet connectivity or data transfer, at different speeds. Depending on the tech your service provider uses your speeds will vary, that being said, you, don't pay extra when your connection switches.
GPRS: General Packet Radio Service...
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Hey guys, it seems that you can simply select WCDMA only option in your setting to connect using only HSDPA.
This wasn't discovered by me, but I've used this method and it seems to work wonders in Boston, MA. Especially areas where you get constant switching between HSDPA/3g and Edge data connection.
Go to Settings> Wireless Controls> Tap Phone> Band> WCDMA. Or if you have Bandswitch, select the UMTS option.
I usually like to listen to Pandora and browse the web during my commute to and from work, but whenever I get near the hospital buildings near my work the data connection always drops because the radio decides to switch automatically from H/3g to Edge connection. I'm not sure how much this depends on the H/3g coverage in your area, so be advised that this tip may not work everywhere.
Also, something to be aware of is when you switch between bands, the phone may not be able to find the T-mobile network automatically. If this happens I usually just go to Menu> Network Selection from the Phone Settings and tap on Find Network. Usually it will find the T-Mobile network this way, otherwise I would soft reset.
This trick is for stock Lollipop rom .
If you've E signal you can force the phone to connect to H, H+ or even LTE (probably only for short time). (probably also work from H to LTE).
1. Go into settings
2. Tap "more" at wireless and connections.
3. Tap mobile networks
4. Tap network operators and tap "OK" (data network will temporarily be disabled until networks are scanned)
5. Check the networks list for your carriers networks, if you're lucky you'll find a more fast network for your current area. Then tap the fastest network to try connecting, if it can't connect to the fastest, it'll connect to the least fastest.
##You can attempt this anytime you like to try to connect to a better network, LTE networks might not stick long if the signal is weak, but you could just do it again.##
##If you loose the signal after a while, it might happen that you're getting connected to a slower network again. Meaning you can then again follow the instructions to gain a better network##
I just got myself a Galaxy Tab S6 Lite 2022 (SM-P613). Using the stock OS, when I try to connect to a WiFi network, I only get a small selection of networks under "Available networks" in the settings. If i move closer to one of the networks that are not shown, it suddenly appears in the list, so I assume that the list contains only the networks with the strongest signals.
Checking with an app, such as "Wifi analyzer", or using the hidden "Wi-Fi developer options", I see that the tablet sees the other networks, but for some reason chooses not to show them in the settings. I tried turning "Intelligent Wi-Fi" off, but it didn't change anything.
Is this some sort of "convenience" feature by Samsung or recent versions of Android, and, if so, is there a way to turn it off? I would think that being offered to connect to networks to which I have no access, just because they are near, and not being offered to connect to a network to which I do have access, just because it is further away, but still within range, is not convenient at all.
BTW, I can connect to the network with the weaker signal from the Wi-Fi developer options, so this is not a matter of the signal being too weak to use.