Hi guys,
I've been a HTC and Windows Mobile user a little while now. I previously had a Trinity (HTC 3600) and now I have the Touch HD. It has come to my attention that I really need to figure out what the data terminology really means.
I have noticed that when using my phone, data connections are automatically initiated when I perform/launch specific applications that are obviously using a data connection, such as:
- Google Maps
- Tom Tom Traffic
- Internet (opera/internet explorer)
- Manilla 3D Weather
- Manilla Photo uploading
- etc.
I have found it annoying at times that data connections have started without informing me, and then to make things worse, the connection doesnt cancel at the end of its task, it needs a manual disconnect.
I've gradually gone through the settings of most programs, turning off any form of "automatic update" setting. So im happier knowing that most of the time my phone shouldnt be unexpectidly in the middle of a data connection.
But on occasions I look at my phone, and see that its had a data connection open for over an hour (although my guess is that hardly any data has been transfered on these occasions).
So firstly, could anyone reccomend any programs that can monitor my data connections or usage and even force me to give authorisation whenever a data connection is requested?
Secondly, I find that if I have my wifi connection connected, all apps that try to use a data connection use this to channel their data through, this is perfectly fine and is the behaviour I expect, but when I'm using Windows Messenger on my phone, while on wifi, for some unknown reason, it feels it can establish another data connection (regardless of the wifi being connected and operating) - and that is very annoying.
Most of my concerns stem from the fact that I only have off-peak free data time on the web with my provider (Orange).
Lastly, could someone help explain the differences between:
GPRS
3G
HSDPA
I think GPRS is what sat nav apps use for geographical positioning using satelites, and its free. But im not sure about the others, are there others that I am unaware of too. I think 3G and HSDPA are data connections, but what makes one different from the other, and why is it only sometimes 3G is used, and another time HSDPA is used?
Im in London, UK, and I notice on my phones signal bar, that it can often change to show a "G" or a "H" or a "3G" and there could be others. This is all so confusing, and my main concern is about paying for data connections etc.
Oh... and whats the difference, or whats the point of telling the phone to use "Work" or "The Internet", this also confuses me.
Although this is a bit of a long winded post, I'll appriciate any bits of help and advice given.
Thanks in advanced,
WizzKidd
Ok, i've been doing some reading, and for the sake of those who "search" these forums in the future, this post will at least have an answer (even if im kinda answering it myself).
My understanding is as follows:
The 4 data channels are: GSM / GPRS / 3G / EDGE
In order of their age (oldest to newest)...
GSM: (Global System for Mobile communications)
- The European standard for the majority of handsets.
- Primary usage is voice.
- Tri-band GSM allow Europe to operate these phones and Quad-band GSM allows some Far East to operate.
- Can be used with the GPRS core network for data.
GPRS:
- One of the first widely used data channels
- Can transmit data of up to 60 KBits/sec
- is battery friendly
EDGE: (Exchanged Data rates for GSM Evolution)
- based on GPRS
- Can transmit up to 473.6 KB/its per second
- ideal for heavy webpages, and downloading email attachments etc
3G:
- Originally for video data calls but also efficient for web/email, im and voip
- very popular channel, most UK and some European networks now have 3G networks and with speeds similar to EDGE
- not battery friendly when searching for new 3G connections
HSDPA: (High speed Downlink Packet Access)
- Based on 3G technology
- Supports speeds of up to 7.2 MBits/sec (but in reality you usually get 3Mb/s)
- very good for high bandwidth usage like video streaming
So, what ive gathered from all this is that the phone can switch its data channel depending on how demanding the application is for bandwidth and also what data channels are available in the area.
Please correct me if i am wrong, assumtions and corrections is the best way to learn.
Thanks,
Wizzkidd
PS. I still dont see the point of Windows Mobile asking me if this network is connected to "Work" or "The Internet".
Isn't HSDPA also called 3G+ ?
GPRS
Hai Wizzkidd
What you can do is: put gprs off. Go to settings-> connections-> connections. On the tab tasks you wil see: my isp. Open de link modify and select your isp. Hold it down and remove settings.
You will still be able to make phonecalls and sms. You will have to get your updates etc... through wifi or sync.
me to, Orange/(3G) - are they the same ?????
wizzkidd said:
Hi guys,
I have found it annoying at times that data connections have started without informing me, and then to make things worse, the connection doesnt cancel at the end of its task, it needs a manual disconnect.
I've gradually gone through the settings of most programs, turning off any form of "automatic update" setting. So im happier knowing that most of the time my phone shouldnt be unexpectidly in the middle of a data connection.
But on occasions I look at my phone, and see that its had a data connection open for over an hour (although my guess is that hardly any data has been transfered on these occasions).
So firstly, could anyone reccomend any programs that can monitor my data connections or usage and even force me to give authorisation whenever a data connection is requested?
Secondly, I find that if I have my wifi connection connected, all apps that try to use a data connection use this to channel their data through, this is perfectly fine and is the behaviour I expect, but when I'm using Windows Messenger on my phone, while on wifi, for some unknown reason, it feels it can establish another data connection (regardless of the wifi being connected and operating) - and that is very annoying.
Most of my concerns stem from the fact that I only have off-peak free data time on the web with my provider (Orange).
Lastly, could someone help explain the differences between:
GPRS
3G
HSDPA
I think GPRS is what sat nav apps use for geographical positioning using satelites, and its free. But im not sure about the others, are there others that I am unaware of too. I think 3G and HSDPA are data connections, but what makes one different from the other, and why is it only sometimes 3G is used, and another time HSDPA is used?
Im in London, UK, and I notice on my phones signal bar, that it can often change to show a "G" or a "H" or a "3G" and there could be others. This is all so confusing, and my main concern is about paying for data connections etc.
Oh... and whats the difference, or whats the point of telling the phone to use "Work" or "The Internet", this also confuses me.
Although this is a bit of a long winded post, I'll appriciate any bits of help and advice given.
Thanks in advanced,
WizzKidd
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firstly = http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/ - not TESTED on my ELF { http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318414&page=4 }
secondly = I had to 'make do' with a 'modem', for a bit. A '3' ZTE MF622 USB modem, it uses hdspa/3G. network3's website, classes this modem as a phone/sim - was PAYG, though (mythree. . . . ) - - - - THE HDSPA downloaded, "" faster at times than virgin-cabled Bband did !!! "" - watch [task mgr]->[network]
thirdly = NICE ONE !!! 9.75/10 for the (101/explaination's of the connections) and the check Ur not updating Ur Apps, all/some of the time.
shame the [comm mgr]->[phone]="wake on lan"/(x)
still under usb, i cannot Ms Direct push / Data connect
only LIVE via usb - NO WIFI (connected, but ...)
networks
Hi,
I think your question about preventing automatic connection has been explained.
As for GPRS, 3G and HSDPA,
They are all cellular data connections but will vary in speed and stability.
GPRS and EDGE (can provide what each stand for but i am sure google would do the work for me)
They are the packet data networks when using the 2G networks. GPRS (2.5G f you will) has downlink speeds of around 28kb/s and EDGE (2.75G) 100kb/s.
3G (UMTS) max's out around 384kb/s and officially HSDPA (3.5G) can is commercially available at 7.2mbps. All the speeds above are network dependant as all can be capped.
Most operators are now testing HSDPA and HSUPA (3.75G - same downlink speed as HSDPA but faster uplink, the speed however escapes me ) on speeds greater than 7.2mbps.
You will not be charged differently for each network type and each will come out of a data plan at the same rate.
The 2G networks are more stable but slower and the 3G networks are faster but due to congestion issues the connections have been known to drop as i am sure some other users will agree.
The thing sat nav software uses for positioning is GPS (Global positioning system) and not GPRS (general packet radio service). GPS is a handset feature like wifi or bluetooth and nothing to do with the network.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Ross
HSDPA
Hey guys, I just wana know if any of you know how to make your phone connect using hsdpa only. Because this is realy fast compared to other connections, and its annoying when the device switches to gprs or some other type of connection which makes the net super slow.
Ok GSM is a wireless technology like CDMA it has very little to do with actual data use.
GPRS(2G), EDGE(2.5G), UMTS(3G), HSDPA (also 3G), HSUPA(3G yet again), HSPA+(3.5G) All of these, are technologies that allow internet connectivity or data transfer, at different speeds. Depending on the tech your service provider uses your speeds will vary, that being said, you, don't pay extra when your connection switches.
GPRS: General Packet Radio Service...
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Hey guys, it seems that you can simply select WCDMA only option in your setting to connect using only HSDPA.
This is not about HOW TO DISABLE the data connection: I know there are plenty of ways and apps to do that, even automatically.
As regards me I have two manual options to do that on my phone:
1. In the Comm manager, under Wireless Controls, I have 3G on/off option, which I can use to switch between 3G and 2G network
2. ModaCo NoData, which I can use to ENABLE/DISABLE my "H3G Internet" data connection
My questions are:
a] do I have to use both?
b] if either one is enough, which one is the best (or: what is the difference between the two)?
Thanks
I believe if you are on the 2G network, you can still connect to the internet via GPRS?
thegios said:
1. In the Comm manager, under Wireless Controls, I have 3G on/off option, which I can use to switch between 3G and 2G network
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This does what it says, switches your phone from 3G/2G networks to 2G only. But in both cases your phone can place a data connection, only it will be slower when on 2G (GPRS/EDGE).
To disable the connection, you need to use nodata. The other option does nothing in this regard.
So in the end your question still actually was about how to disable
Fine understood
New question then: considering that I have automatic wetaher/location/facebook.pushmail active, if I disable data connection at night and in the office, would this save battery life?
Most likely a little,yes. But data connection barely uses anything when idle, so you save the little amount of traffic that takes place from the updates. And the phone will still wake up at the update intervals to try and connect, which drains pretty much the same as the connection itself.
Hi all, the thought I'd share a little tip I discovered for those of you using an international Note on Telstra Australia.
I was finding my speed was maxing out at HSDPA, and no matter where I was in the Greater Brisbane area, keeping my speed low and annoying. I knew I was in a HSPA+ area, and so this was doubly annoying.
My network name was also stuck on "3Telstra", which I found out is the name of their 2100mHz network. So it was simple to change it:
1. Go into settings>wireless and network
2. At the very bottom of the page, select "Mobile Networks"
3. Select "network operators" (warning, and this will temporarily turn off your data connection)
4. When the phone has finished finding the list of networks, choose to connect to "Telstra Mobile"
You should now hopefully see that your connection icon says "3G" when you're not actively usng data, and switch to "H+" when you load a webpage or initiate a data connection.
Hey forum,
i go away from home and i have no more wifi connection.
Then i suddenly get a connection to mobile internet (EPlus) first.
As i am in an area without a connection and i come back to EPlus, i can use my phone for telephone and SMS but i get no internet connection automatically.
I must use the airplane-mode to totally logoff and 5 sec later go out of airplane-mode. In this way i get the internet connection back.
My wife has the same problem with Incredible S and GingerSense 1.3.
Is this maybe a problem of EPlus? Or is there anyone with tve same problem and another provider?
Andreas
Perhaps it's your wifi giviing you problems, going bad.
Sent from a dream.
If the signal of your provider (in this case Eplus) is weak, it might not find it right away.
Also, try going into Settings>Wireless settings then under Network mode, check if it says GSM/WCDMA
This setting will try to connect to 2G or 3G whichever has the strongest signal, however if both are available, 3G will be selected.
This trick is for stock Lollipop rom .
If you've E signal you can force the phone to connect to H, H+ or even LTE (probably only for short time). (probably also work from H to LTE).
1. Go into settings
2. Tap "more" at wireless and connections.
3. Tap mobile networks
4. Tap network operators and tap "OK" (data network will temporarily be disabled until networks are scanned)
5. Check the networks list for your carriers networks, if you're lucky you'll find a more fast network for your current area. Then tap the fastest network to try connecting, if it can't connect to the fastest, it'll connect to the least fastest.
##You can attempt this anytime you like to try to connect to a better network, LTE networks might not stick long if the signal is weak, but you could just do it again.##
##If you loose the signal after a while, it might happen that you're getting connected to a slower network again. Meaning you can then again follow the instructions to gain a better network##