(q) want 2 buy defy - Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Guys i want to buy motorola defy or plus or mini which one should i buy and by the way i read tht defy has a speaker fault is tht true and in which its running is tht froyo r what...
And is defy could b overcloked and if it is thn how much and what is its chipset
And is mini avlble in india
Which 1 do i have reply pls
And currently im usng samsung galaxy y

I don't think Mini is available yet(Not in flipkart,letsbuy or ebay)?! I would say don't go for Mini go for either Defy or Defy+. If you are into MODs then I suggest go for Defy since it is almost similar to Defy+ but cheaper. However if you are not into MODs and want to stick with the stock go for Defy+. Both Defy and Defy+ can be overclocked easily to 1.2Ghz and with correct settings you may also try 1.4Ghz but 1.2 should be suffice in most cases! A Defy comes with Froyo and 800Mhz proc whereas Defy+ has 1Ghz proc and a stock GB. They have TI OMAP chipset 3610 and 3620 respectively, though both chipsets are debated to be the same with diff names.
Apart from that Defy+ have more memory(extra about 1.2GB for apps).

The Defy and Defy+ are almost identical, with the exceptions being the battery (bigger for the Defy+), stock overclocked CPU (1ghz for +), red lens only for +, Gingerbread kernel only for +.
The storage space is the same (around 1.2gb).
They have the same CPU (TI OMAP3630) despite Motorola's claims.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

vap_66 said:
The Defy and Defy+ are almost identical, with the exceptions being the battery (bigger for the Defy+), stock overclocked CPU (1ghz for +), red lens only for +, Gingerbread kernel only for +.
The storage space is the same (around 1.2gb).
They have the same CPU (TI OMAP3630) despite Motorola's claims.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9
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Errr the mempry management is little different bro! And new Defy has red lens!
Defy+ has got another extra 1GB for ROM ie. the ROM is not stored in the same 2GB internal memory available! An excerpt from comparision in gsmarena:
2 GB storage, 512 MB RAM 2 GB storage, 512 MB RAM, 1 GB ROM
URL: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3514&idPhone2=4098

Yes, Defy+ has a red lens only, I posted that. The Defy had green and red lenses. RAM memory management is controlled by the software, so that doesn't depend on the hardware.
I don't particularly trust GSM Arena, could anyone with a Defy+ confirm the internal storage space differences?
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

I wub my defy ^^
but.. I'd get something with an unlocked bootloader ^^
Then you'll get a puppy that really flies!!

I like my defy.
Defy is easy root, easy to get into boot, as soon as you get rid of bloatware, find a good ROM its a pretty decent phone. Try and find one with red lens if you plan on flashing cm 9 (or even some cm7's).

vap_66 said:
The Defy and Defy+ are almost identical, with the exceptions being the battery (bigger for the Defy+), stock overclocked CPU (1ghz for +), red lens only for +, Gingerbread kernel only for +.
The storage space is the same (around 1.2gb).
They have the same CPU (TI OMAP3630) despite Motorola's claims.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9
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I am curious... What the benefit of the red lens?
Anyways, I just recently purchased an unlocked Defy+ and it's a great little phone. Very responsive, amazing cellphone radio signal reception and the CrystalTalk technology is awesome. These are the main reasons why I still prefer a Moto phone over the usual slew of Androids.
http://www.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10138219-100.html
However, the mobile hotspot feature is not working well for me at the moment...
Any ideas anyone?

vap_66 said:
Yes, Defy+ has a red lens only, I posted that. The Defy had green and red lenses. RAM memory management is controlled by the software, so that doesn't depend on the hardware.
I don't particularly trust GSM Arena, could anyone with a Defy+ confirm the internal storage space differences?
Trimis de pe Defy CM9
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NOPE...1.2 GB Internal on Defy+ and not 1GB ROM and 2GB Internal

I knew it . Basically, the only differences are from the battery and GB kernel.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9

vap_66 said:
I knew it . Basically, the only differences are from the battery and GB kernel.
Trimis de pe Defy CM9
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Yep that's true! Wish I knew about this forum and all the mod gyaan before I bought my Defy+ !!! Should I have known I would have bought a Defy instead!

i always prefer normal Defy. u can be sure to get a froyo-kernel! (more possibilities flashing different roms).
If the Defy+ is delivered with the newest GB-Version u can only flash GB-Kernel Roms (some Roms are only built with froyo-kernel, e.g. MIUI Pikachu).
Greetz

Related

some question about ms2

i live in china, the mistakes of language please skip them
1. CPU
OMAP 3630 Ti factory frequency is 720mhz, not 1ghz
here is the Ti official link: focus.ti.c o m/pr/docs/preldetail.tsp?prelId=sc09020§ionId=594
i really appraciate the quality of Ti CPU...I'm using ms2 at 1.3ghz, compare with the factory frequency,580mhz more.
is there any danger to overclock so much?
please give me some suggestion
2.Touch screen
i don't the details about the problem that ms2 has the touch delay...
someone says that it is caused by rom, others think it's about the screen quality.
i just want to know is the ms2 in other countries have the problem?
or droid 2 have the same problem?
how to resolve the problem?
3.bootloader&bootstrap
MOTO's official rom is really ungelivable, and bootloader lock the rom...
but bootstrap can escape the bootloader and put in the rom without certification or authorizing...
so why there isn't enough rom we can use?
i know the agen2stone, but the temprature is really let me feel scared...sometimes over 50C (temprature in china and about 122F)...and i don't like the UI. the most important , it is based on the official rom...but it is much better than official rom...
expecting a2s 2.0...
3.1 CM7 AND unofficial rom
defy have already had the CM7 and MIUI...
MS2 AND DEFY both have the bootloader, to adjust roms for defy into ms2 is much easier than other way(personal thinking, may be not correct).
i'm not good at development, hoping some developers can take my suggestion to get success on the CM7 or unofficial rom for ms2...
i can't use link yet, skip the space between the c o m in the link.
thanks
1. Orig Milestone is based on TI OMAP 3430 with 550mhz processor. People overclocking it to 1,2ghz. Milestone 2 which is based on TI OMAP 3630 (as well as Droid 2) is overclocked to 1ghz, and Droid 2 Global to 1,2ghz with the same chip, and it's stock frequency set by Motorola. I think they wouldn't overclock it if there would be any danger. More dangerous to your cpu is to high vsel level and temperature
2. I bet it's a software/touchscreen drivers problem. Anyway I will report it to them with some vid samples with comparison to other devices . I hope they will fix it with next updates.
3.
so why there isn't enough rom we can use?
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I'd love to know that as well...
mkmck said:
Milestone 2 which is based on TI OMAP 3630 (as well as Droid 2) is overclocked to 1ghz, and Droid 2 Global to 1,2ghz with the same chip
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http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid2/ --> Motorola says Droid 2 is based on omap 3620 (I don't know the differences)
I find max frequency at 1350Mhz (with stock vsel 66) and from what I've seen in other european Milestone2, it seems to be the limit of this device.
patton82 said:
I find max frequency at 1350Mhz (with stock vsel 66) and from what I've seen in other european Milestone2, it seems to be the limit of this device.
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Same here. Mine, with 1400 was rebooting
zhaoyihan said:
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MOTO's official rom is really ungelivable, and bootloader lock the rom...
......
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I don't think a non-Chinese-speaking could get the meaning of ungelivable.
It's kind of kuso and totally Chinglish.
zhaoyihan said:
i live in china, the mistakes of language please skip them
1. CPU
OMAP 3630 Ti factory frequency is 720mhz, not 1ghz
here is the Ti official link: focus.ti.c o m/pr/docs/preldetail.tsp?prelId=sc09020§ionId=594
i really appraciate the quality of Ti CPU...I'm using ms2 at 1.3ghz, compare with the factory frequency,580mhz more.
is there any danger to overclock so much?
please give me some suggestion
2.Touch screen
i don't the details about the problem that ms2 has the touch delay...
someone says that it is caused by rom, others think it's about the screen quality.
i just want to know is the ms2 in other countries have the problem?
or droid 2 have the same problem?
how to resolve the problem?
3.bootloader&bootstrap
MOTO's official rom is really ungelivable, and bootloader lock the rom...
but bootstrap can escape the bootloader and put in the rom without certification or authorizing...
so why there isn't enough rom we can use?
i know the agen2stone, but the temprature is really let me feel scared...sometimes over 50C (temprature in china and about 122F)...and i don't like the UI. the most important , it is based on the official rom...but it is much better than official rom...
expecting a2s 2.0...
3.1 CM7 AND unofficial rom
defy have already had the CM7 and MIUI...
MS2 AND DEFY both have the bootloader, to adjust roms for defy into ms2 is much easier than other way(personal thinking, may be not correct).
i'm not good at development, hoping some developers can take my suggestion to get success on the CM7 or unofficial rom for ms2...
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1.No need to worry about this
2.The cause is commomly considered to be the ROM itself.However, due to the BL , we can`t solve now.
3. There is a hardware checker in Milestone2, which will check the kernel everytime we boot the rom. Bootstrap just partly bypass the BL in software. STill not able to run custom kernel. So there is no real custom rom for us.
3.1 There is still some differences between their BLs. According to Mikevhl, MS2`s BL somehow locks more. But I think it`s just the matter of DEV`s effort. DEFY has many many many DEVS......while we MS2er just has MIKEVHL.........
For now, just support MIKEVHL and await him to release something
waigx said:
I don't think a non-Chinese-speaking could get the meaning of ungelivable.
It's kind of kuso and totally Chinglish.
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ungelivable roughly means " Not work well "
Endless7 said:
1.No need to worry about this
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Agreed,
Think about manufacture process of different CPUs which have the similar architecture.
They made from one silicon wafer but they labeled different clock rates depend on different stability levels in testing, and, this is not the frequency they designed for.
Manufacturers can also block some cores, L2-cache or something, so, that's AMD Phenom X3 and Phenom X4, some models of Intel Celeron and Pentium.
patton82 said:
http://developer.motorola.com/products/droid2/ --> Motorola says Droid 2 is based on omap 3620 (I don't know the differences)
I find max frequency at 1350Mhz (with stock vsel 66) and from what I've seen in other european Milestone2, it seems to be the limit of this device.
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My limit is 1355Mhz with 72 vsel, 66vsel will cause force close in media playback.
Endless7 said:
ungelivable roughly means " Not work well "
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Actually, this word came form a Chinese network language ( or slang ) "给力" which speaks just like "geli". It means energetic, very helpful or forcefulness. So "ungelivable" was made by the morphology of English words.
For example: The cheat sheet is sooooo ungelivable, I can't find anything related on it!
Congratulations, you got it.
Endless7 said:
My limit is 1355Mhz with 72 vsel, 66vsel will cause force close in media playback.
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From the official web page from Ti, the difference between 3630 and 3620 is the 720p...3630 can play 720p originally, but 3620 wasn't...Maybe MOTO fortify it with PowerVR 530...
here is the pic:View attachment 607640

[Q] Increase RAM with flash memory on defy

hello,
im using Motorola Defy MB525 with cm9 4.0.3
my q is, can I somehow increase the RAM with the sdcard memory (like create something like virtual RAM or something like that) to improve my phone performance ?
it preety slow because it still Beta and i want it to be fast as cm7 so i thoght it may help.
anybody tried it before ?
You can do it by swap, but you need really good sd-card (class 8 or 10), because it can slow down your phone.
Don't you have enough ram?
Hellmanor said:
You can do it by swap, but you need really good sd-card (class 8 or 10), because it can slow down your phone.
Don't you have enough ram?
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unfortunatly, i think that its the only way to speed up my phone, becuase i wont take the risk with oc above 1000Mhz
its this or wait till cm9 will be official for defy and hope it will be faster, one of the two.
+1 to the idea was thinking about it the other day
Would a 32gb class 10 work and partition a gb or two? It is complete overkill to the size of ram but I think a gb would be quicker than our 500mb as system steals about 250-300 minimum
teamwork makes the dream work
If someone can do this with a 32 GB class 10, can you please share with us ? I am very interested. Thanks!
We cant do swap... our kernels dont suport it...
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now cm7 can swap
More and more ROMs support swap, but unless you are willing to sacrifice a good Class 10 card for it, most people don't want to use it. Because SD and NAND are not meant to be written and read from as much as RAM, it can break down.
Use CM10 ROMs or GB roms, they are much superior to ICS in memory management imho.
I have teh same problen, not enough RAM in CM7 Defy.
It can slow the phone.
can i use some memory swap with my 32gb c10 card?
Or i use an memory killer, like CleanMaster?
wmiki75 said:
I have teh same problen, not enough RAM in CM7 Defy.
It can slow the phone.
can i use some memory swap with my 32gb c10 card?
Or i use an memory killer, like CleanMaster?
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I recomended use memory killer, because you can screw up 32gb 10 card (c10 cards are expensive).

Overclock on PVL Stock Plus

I installed the PVL Stock Plus on my DEFY+ red lens, but in bootmenu i set overclock, but it does not work, I set to 1.2 Ghz but it is only in 1 GHz Has anyone experienced this?
Sorry may bad english.
veneceus said:
I installed the PVL Stock Plus on my DEFY+ red lens, but in bootmenu i set overclock, but it does not work, I set to 1.2 Ghz but it is only in 1 GHz Has anyone experienced this?
Sorry may bad english.
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Well, I can't really say why, but some roms just don't support overclock over a certain amount I think.
I've always been satisfied with 1 GHz, and plus, there's not so much difference between 1 and 1.2 on this
crappy TI OMAP processor of ours.

Maximum Overclock Speed? Defy (Red Lense)

So, what's the craziest clock speed I can get without breaking my phone?
Defy (Bayer, Orange lense)
Umm... I hope you know, you are writing into Milestone 2 board?
I know, I made a mistake :S I have the two phones
I know, I made a mistake :S I own both a Defy (Red Lense) and a Milestone2. I just happened to post this one in that forum lol
Darin_Ram said:
So, what's the craziest clock speed I can get without breaking my phone?
Defy (Bayer, Orange lense)
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some people reported speeds up to 1450 mhz, with something like 78 vsel...

[q] is that original defy+ rom is sluggish??

I'm facing some sluggish performance of my phone, I've not rooted it yet.
the problem is that when I'm playing TEMPLE RUN 2 it can not handle it while I've other phone XPERIA TIPO which have only 800MHz of Processor and still I can run play it...........
anyone out there who haven't rooted Defy+ plz answer me.....IS THAT SORT OF ISSUE YOU ARE ALSO FACING??
ALSO
anyone tell me the solution for this
( I HOPE THREAD IS IN RIGHT AREA )
Change visual quality to low
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Yup, change to low.
Yup, change to low. The official rom has only 350 mb usable RAM, while most custom roms have 450+. I have seen the bad performance on the official unrooted defy+.

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