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Hey Guys,
Sorry for that dump thread, but i need some technical opionions to the GS.
I bought that mobile because its for me ideal in size, features and so on.
My "last" mobile was an iphone 3G and i was very happy with that stuff. But now i have the GS and its amazing. So in the last days i checked the xda and MoDaCo forum and found the threads about the point that the samsung drivers are encrypted and the partions are different to other smartphones, so if samsung decide to reject an update to Android 2.2 or 3.0 we never receive that update from the community. On the HTC phones it is easier for the community to hack an version and bring them to other devices but it seems for the GS it is impossible. For me it is importend to use a mobile that i can update & use it in 2 or 3 years.
So take the samsung or send it back and wait for example a bigger htc oder a 3g droid x?
regards
Timo
Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
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Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
Anything else you're wondering?
And no, i don't own the phone YET.
I'll be purchasing as soon as ATT's Captivate releases.
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
Yceman said:
Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
TexUs said:
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
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As BasieP was saying that we'll have a custom froyo, it'll happen for 3.0 (GingerBread) too. SGS will be one of the largest community due to its alluring specs. (my prediction, finger crossed - but seriously, just look at the specs)
Well that's if Samsung would not be able to provide an official build. (With the current number of developers in the community, any kind of modding is really possible)
You shouldn't worry about the support from Samsung. If you don't have Samsung, you have us. Remember now, Android is a community based 'software' (need a better word!). Annnnd best of all, our tweaks are far superior than 'official' builds.
Don't get your hopes up yet. It's not sure wether there will be a problem with the drivers or not
BasieP said:
in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
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Well, reading the Modaco custom rom topic (I can't post the link because I'm a new user) I'm led to believe that so far nobody can make a custom rom if Samsung doesn't release the regular rom first. So, no custom Froyo until Samsung release its own Froyo update. The same for Gingerbread.
See what the poster says:
"MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked. A MCR release is designed to feel as far as possible like a stock ROM, with optimisations, tweaks and complimentary additions that enhance the user experience. The aim of a MCR is to be ultra reliable for use on an everyday device."
Later on someone else says:
"No I said it would be near impossible to get roms from other sources like Sense roms or Froyo on because of the driver issue. I never said you would never see custom roms. The only roms you are going to see are one's based off of Samsungs release."
And apparently this problem has happened with the others Samsung Android phones too.
That's what I meant with being locked with Samsung.
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Sorry Samsung...
regards
Timo
TimoC said:
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Timo
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
Do we really know the hardware specifications of Android 3.0?
I'm going to the SGS fingers crossed that it get the FroYo in 2010. HTC Desire get it for next Xmas, as read in many sites.
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
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We know nothing "for sure". But it is very likely: The first Android Phone (G1),released 2008, runs Android 2.1 just fine, and it is getting 2.2 as well.
The question is not in hardware, but in support. Does Samsung want to support this phone in 6 month, and does the community has what it needs to take the future of the I9000 into its own hands?
As long as nobody counters the "drivers are properitary" argument from psychoace, I expect that there won't be custom roms which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
And as long as Samsung's PR does not make a great statement in this direction, we should expect that they won't support the galaxy S in 6 month. Because that is what they did with all their android phones so far. The samsung moment can easily handle Froyo, it was released in Fall '09, and it was announced a week ago that it won't get the update.
That said, support is not better from HTC, Motorola or Sony. At least here in Europe. The Nexus One is the exception, but that is not because of HTC.
Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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A number of items to consider:
1. This phone is being released worldwide. (support is a given)
2. Samsung has released the source code and developed a site to release source code for all their future products.
See here: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
3. There is already a custom rom on MoDaco.
4. Since the phone is already rooted, further support will no doubt continue.
5. The GPU on the SGS is just insane compared to what is currently available on other phones. (including the iPhone 4)
6. The Screen!
7. The Screen!
8. The Screen!
Only time will tell how much support this phone will get from the community, but considering it is already rooted and the amount of enthusiasm people have for this phone, I think the support will continue. Even with Samsung's previous history (Behold II), I'm confindent that the SGS will get continued support. I feel this is the beginning of a very important product line for them. The backlash from South Korea alone would be immense if they dropped support. Pissing off customers in your home country would not be a good idea.
I'm definitely putting all my eggs in this basket and hoping for the best.
PS: There's no such thing as a future proof phone. There will definitely be a better phone this fall. But probably none with a Super AMOLED screen.
Would it be better if we had split the forums into 10.1 I/O LE and 10.1v along with the new ones coming out? It seems as though the development for it along with a few features seems to be splitting them in different posts throughout the forum. They are almost similar but at the same time it seems that they aren't. Apparently we have multiple versions of them coming out and this seems to be the line-up after their release.
10.1v (Original/First)
10.1 I/O LE (Given at I/O) 32gb wifi
Coming out:
10.1 Wifi 16gb
10.1 Wifi 32gb
10.1 4G LTE 16gb
10.1 4G LTE 32gb
Is this going to make the forums extremely complicated after all these releases?
Hardly anyone posts about the 10.1v. Apart from 4G and memory all the 10.1s are the same. All share the same software so there is little point in splitting up the forum. Probably best have another look when the 8.9s come along.
10.1v market is so small that i don't think there's need for that. Most of us Europeans are getting 10.1 after all.
When 10.1 hits i don't think people will be even able to spot 10.1v threads.
Though you are right with the different version there will be certainly some confusion, just starting from the wifi version not having microsd from people who have not followed 10.1 so closely, but i don't think there's much we can do or really should do about it.
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Though you are right with the different version there will be certainly some confusion, just starting from the wifi version not having microsd from people who have not followed 10.1 so closely, but i don't think there's much we can do or really should do about it.
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Yeah this is the difficult part.
Another thing that would be difficult is this. 10.1 LE has 3.0 vanilla honeycomb and soon to be 3.1. The upcoming 10.1 tabs will have 3.1 with touchwiz which will also making things confusing >_<
Hey guys, so what do you think, which it the two is a better device?
Specs are almost similar with acer being 7" vs lenovo 10". Same processor, gpu and other hardware.
Better io options on acer iconia specially the USB and nini USB.
Screen better on Lenovo.
I am still confused on the scalibility, developer support and future proof ics on the chosen device.
Thanks!
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Anyone? Need to order one of the two today!
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I can't speak about the A100, as I have only owned an A500. It was a very good product, beautiful screen, many ports, good sound, etc. But I returned it and bought the ThinkPad, because I have owned many of those laptops, and they were always the best.
The A500 could be rooted if you had a specific serial number, but I don't know about the A100 -- I would check that. Why does rootability matter? So you can add apps and make customizations you cannot do with the stock tab.
As for root -- see for yourself in the A100 forums. The ThinkPad K1 probably won't see too many customizations, and Lenovo is not a great leader for innovation, but there is a work in progress for an ICS 4.03 update by forum members here, and it may eventually be applicable to the K1. Look into that for the A100.
Bottom line -- as you said, they are equal in specifications, so I would go with the tab with the most customization options. Please let me know what you decided.
I agree with above I'd look into development off the device first if your into that read user reviews in amazon and such retailers see what people gotta say about each
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Thanks for the suggestions.
I looked and seems like both have their bootloaders locked, hence not very active for the custom rom developers.
Both are rootable, so it seemed like on the forums.
Acer a100 was launched early last year and hence should be a lower priority for acer, since a200 has also been launched. Although official ICS is expected by april and leaked already available.
Lenovo K1 also officially releasing ICS around the same time, but a fairly neew release by Lenovo so I guess, the support life should be better. Plus very recently, around mid Feb, Lenovo released the source code for their devices which to me sounds like they are looking at a developer friendly model for their devices. I don't know if that would make the bootloader unlocked for full developer support and developer interest, so only time will tell.
For similar prices (a100 costing 20 cheaper) but 8gb vs a 32gb k1, opted for a k1. Costing 335 canadian dollars with the taxes.
Hope the decision is right, will only know once I start using the device.
Thanks!
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rezapatel said:
Thanks for the suggestions.
I looked and seems like both have their bootloaders locked, hence not very active for the custom rom developers.
Both are rootable, so it seemed like on the forums.
Acer a100 was launched early last year and hence should be a lower priority for acer, since a200 has also been launched. Although official ICS is expected by april and leaked already available.
Lenovo K1 also officially releasing ICS around the same time, but a fairly neew release by Lenovo so I guess, the support life should be better. Plus very recently, around mid Feb, Lenovo released the source code for their devices which to me sounds like they are looking at a developer friendly model for their devices. I don't know if that would make the bootloader unlocked for full developer support and developer interest, so only time will tell.
For similar prices (a100 costing 20 cheaper) but 8gb vs a 32gb k1, opted for a k1. Costing 335 canadian dollars with the taxes.
Hope the decision is right, will only know once I start using the device.
Thanks!
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The stock Lenovo firmware leaves a lot to be desired performance wise, but.....
I think the future is still bright for the K1
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The stock Lenovo firmware leaves a lot to be desired performance wise, but.....
I think the future is still bright for the K1
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I have been reading that, really hoping some developer adopts the k1 so we can see more activity on the device.
Not much action here on xda with the k1 - pretty surprising actually!
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rezapatel said:
I have been reading that, really hoping some developer adopts the k1 so we can see more activity on the device.
Not much action here on xda with the k1 - pretty surprising actually!
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It seems more chatter on rootzwiki for k1 in the ThinkPad Tablet section
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It seems more chatter on rootzwiki for k1 in the ThinkPad Tablet section
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Definitely a better resource for the K1 and TP.
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and the first rom has been released ... for the K1. Check the Devp section.
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and the first rom has been released ... for the K1. Check the Devp section.
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But still in beta. At this point I am only looking for a root for the most recent update and I noticed its not available yet.
Sad but I would really love to root this device so I can add the performance increases myself, instead of relying on someone to create a stable custom rom for this device.
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I just sold my A500 and will be buying a TPT 1838-25U as soon as I can. I liked the A500 but I tried numerous apps to try and write but to no avail. I needed something that I could write on, I know paper still exist, as well as other features that the TPT offers.
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I just sold my A500 and will be buying a TPT 1838-25U as soon as I can. I liked the A500 but I tried numerous apps to try and write but to no avail. I needed something that I could write on, I know paper still exist, as well as other features that the TPT offers.
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I would personally pick up a Samsung Note for that needs over any tablet, because of the same resolution, pen input and an almost tablet sized screen, with a phone pocketability - a confused personality between the two, but I will assume it would just be a matter of getting used to.
Good luck with your purchase.
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Thank just ordered it, it should be here early next week, now I just need to read up on root.
I recently read this article http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/technology/ipad-tablet-rivals/index.htm?iid=Popular which talks about the tablet market. Near the end however Samsung and its future in the tablet market is briefly discussed. It is said that the GalaxyNote is a 5" tablet that uses a stylus and that in the future they plan to release a GalaxyNote 10.0 to "cannibalize" the Galaxy10.1. I just though that the community might be interested in this tidbit. I myself am just concerned that the Galaxy10.1 will lose support and possible development. What are your thoughts about this?
All devices lose support and development as they age and newer sexier gadgets are released.
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well of course development will slow down on this device. It was announced a year ago and most people will move onto better tablets in teh coming months
Not sure if I am alone on this and I am sure I will probably get a lot of heat. Our 7.7 has been out close to a year now (correct me if I am wrong) and I am a bit sad that there isn't much development on this tab. I keep an eye on the development section and so far all there is is the following: custom rom based on ICS, straight CM9, straight CM10, Nexus 7 based on CM10, Paranoid based on CM10 and one other one and guess what based on CM10. So that's 2 based on ICS and 4 based on JB but 5 of them are CM builds. To some people 6 custom roms seem to be a good thing but in reality there are only 2. I don't count all the different flavors of CM as an individual rom because it's the basic rom and devs just put their own spin on it. Now I am not putting down any of the CM team and I know CM is a very popular rom but why isn't anyone else coming up a JB rom that is NOT based on CM. I have tried 3 different versions of the CM flavor ROMS and there are many issues. Now I have addressed those issues in their respective threads and have been told many times before that this is just how CM has built and either I use it or not, that's all good and no problem, but not happy about it at the same time.
I would just like for someone to come out with a JB rom that is NOT based on any CM build as too keep all functions working PROPERLY. Maybe the lack of development is because there aren't many 7.7 units available in the USA (I am not counting the Verizon model as the majority are all imports) and their current price is a big drawback. Now that the Nexus 7 will be released with 3G and will probably be more affordable than our 7.7 I predict that development will surely die out and people will jump straight to the Nexus 7 with 3G and us current owners will be left on the dark unless and official JB update is released (I doubt it).
This is my rant and my opinion please respect it, once again I am not here to disrespect anyone and applaud your support for this device even if there isn't much.
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adinis78 said:
Not sure if I am alone on this and I am sure I will probably get a lot of heat. Our 7.7 has been out close to a year now (correct me if I am wrong) and I am a bit sad that there isn't much development on this tab. I keep an eye on the development section and so far all there is is the following: custom rom based on ICS, straight CM9, straight CM10, Nexus 7 based on CM10, Paranoid based on CM10 and one other one and guess what based on CM10. So that's 2 based on ICS and 4 based on JB but 5 of them are CM builds. To some people 6 custom roms seem to be a good thing but in reality there are only 2. I don't count all the different flavors of CM as an individual rom because it's the basic rom and devs just put their own spin on it. Now I am not putting down any of the CM team and I know CM is a very popular rom but why isn't anyone else coming up a JB rom that is NOT based on CM. I have tried 3 different versions of the CM flavor ROMS and there are many issues. Now I have addressed those issues in their respective threads and have been told many times before that this is just how CM has built and either I use it or not, that's all good and no problem, but not happy about it at the same time.
I would just like for someone to come out with a JB rom that is NOT based on any CM build as too keep all functions working PROPERLY. Maybe the lack of development is because there aren't many 7.7 units available in the USA (I am not counting the Verizon model as the majority are all imports) and their current price is a big drawback. Now that the Nexus 7 will be released with 3G and will probably be more affordable than our 7.7 I predict that development will surely die out and people will jump straight to the Nexus 7 with 3G and us current owners will be left on the dark unless and official JB update is released (I doubt it).
This is my rant and my opinion please respect it, once again I am not here to disrespect anyone and applaud your support for this device even if there isn't much.
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It could be worse, you could own the SCH-i815.
You have to understand that Samsung has to first release an official jellybean update. As you can see all of the non cm ICS roms were done after the official ICS update.
Gilbot said:
It could be worse, you could own the SCH-i815.
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I feel for them
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You have to understand that Samsung has to first release an official jellybean update. As you can see all of the non cm ICS roms were done after the official ICS update.
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I don't seem them releasing an update now with Nexus 7 3G-wifi coming out soon, everybody will jump on it just as they have with wifi Nexus 7
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Plus you throw in the new kindle fire 8.9" with a full HD 1920x1200 screen that will have data capabilities as well at very competitive prices.
Love my nexus 7, i admit. But I always come back to my 7.7. The screen is just too much eye candy to not be utilized.
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Plus you throw in the new kindle fire 8.9" with a full HD 1920x1200 screen that will have data capabilities as well at very competitive prices.
Love my nexus 7, i admit. But I always come back to my 7.7. The screen is just too much eye candy to not be utilized.
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True enough.
But when all is said and done.....even stock ROM ICS gives us a damned great tab. We can always hope (delusionally perhaps) Samsung will release a JB update.....but even if not, I quite look forward to years of enjoyment with my 7.7.
i agree, OP. the US patent trial might have killed this tablet. it killed it in europe. does anybody know if they're even still in production after all the injunctions?
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i agree, OP. the US patent trial might have killed this tablet. it killed it in europe. does anybody know if they're even still in production after all the injunctions?
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In Romania they removed it from the site, and also no support given to it.