Hey Guys,
Sorry for that dump thread, but i need some technical opionions to the GS.
I bought that mobile because its for me ideal in size, features and so on.
My "last" mobile was an iphone 3G and i was very happy with that stuff. But now i have the GS and its amazing. So in the last days i checked the xda and MoDaCo forum and found the threads about the point that the samsung drivers are encrypted and the partions are different to other smartphones, so if samsung decide to reject an update to Android 2.2 or 3.0 we never receive that update from the community. On the HTC phones it is easier for the community to hack an version and bring them to other devices but it seems for the GS it is impossible. For me it is importend to use a mobile that i can update & use it in 2 or 3 years.
So take the samsung or send it back and wait for example a bigger htc oder a 3g droid x?
regards
Timo
Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
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Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
Anything else you're wondering?
And no, i don't own the phone YET.
I'll be purchasing as soon as ATT's Captivate releases.
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
TexUs said:
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
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As BasieP was saying that we'll have a custom froyo, it'll happen for 3.0 (GingerBread) too. SGS will be one of the largest community due to its alluring specs. (my prediction, finger crossed - but seriously, just look at the specs)
Well that's if Samsung would not be able to provide an official build. (With the current number of developers in the community, any kind of modding is really possible)
You shouldn't worry about the support from Samsung. If you don't have Samsung, you have us. Remember now, Android is a community based 'software' (need a better word!). Annnnd best of all, our tweaks are far superior than 'official' builds.
Don't get your hopes up yet. It's not sure wether there will be a problem with the drivers or not
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
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Well, reading the Modaco custom rom topic (I can't post the link because I'm a new user) I'm led to believe that so far nobody can make a custom rom if Samsung doesn't release the regular rom first. So, no custom Froyo until Samsung release its own Froyo update. The same for Gingerbread.
See what the poster says:
"MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked. A MCR release is designed to feel as far as possible like a stock ROM, with optimisations, tweaks and complimentary additions that enhance the user experience. The aim of a MCR is to be ultra reliable for use on an everyday device."
Later on someone else says:
"No I said it would be near impossible to get roms from other sources like Sense roms or Froyo on because of the driver issue. I never said you would never see custom roms. The only roms you are going to see are one's based off of Samsungs release."
And apparently this problem has happened with the others Samsung Android phones too.
That's what I meant with being locked with Samsung.
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Sorry Samsung...
regards
Timo
TimoC said:
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Timo
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
Do we really know the hardware specifications of Android 3.0?
I'm going to the SGS fingers crossed that it get the FroYo in 2010. HTC Desire get it for next Xmas, as read in many sites.
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
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We know nothing "for sure". But it is very likely: The first Android Phone (G1),released 2008, runs Android 2.1 just fine, and it is getting 2.2 as well.
The question is not in hardware, but in support. Does Samsung want to support this phone in 6 month, and does the community has what it needs to take the future of the I9000 into its own hands?
As long as nobody counters the "drivers are properitary" argument from psychoace, I expect that there won't be custom roms which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
And as long as Samsung's PR does not make a great statement in this direction, we should expect that they won't support the galaxy S in 6 month. Because that is what they did with all their android phones so far. The samsung moment can easily handle Froyo, it was released in Fall '09, and it was announced a week ago that it won't get the update.
That said, support is not better from HTC, Motorola or Sony. At least here in Europe. The Nexus One is the exception, but that is not because of HTC.
Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
MetaDude said:
Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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A number of items to consider:
1. This phone is being released worldwide. (support is a given)
2. Samsung has released the source code and developed a site to release source code for all their future products.
See here: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
3. There is already a custom rom on MoDaco.
4. Since the phone is already rooted, further support will no doubt continue.
5. The GPU on the SGS is just insane compared to what is currently available on other phones. (including the iPhone 4)
6. The Screen!
7. The Screen!
8. The Screen!
Only time will tell how much support this phone will get from the community, but considering it is already rooted and the amount of enthusiasm people have for this phone, I think the support will continue. Even with Samsung's previous history (Behold II), I'm confindent that the SGS will get continued support. I feel this is the beginning of a very important product line for them. The backlash from South Korea alone would be immense if they dropped support. Pissing off customers in your home country would not be a good idea.
I'm definitely putting all my eggs in this basket and hoping for the best.
PS: There's no such thing as a future proof phone. There will definitely be a better phone this fall. But probably none with a Super AMOLED screen.
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I've been installing Froyo Roms coutesy of FusionRom and Froydvillain makers for a while now on my Hero. It's now time for an upgrade...
I know that Android 3.0 is coming "soon" and will supposedly be released this year - maybe with next couple of months but info is very thin on the ground.
Wondering if anyone knows if Android 3.0 devices will be released this year or is it just the Software that will be released and announced?
I'm holding out upgrading my phone and waiting for Android 3.0 but the most compelling option out at the moment is the Samsung Galaxy S. Anyone think Android 3.0 will be available on the Galaxy S or is it worth waiting until later this year to see what new hotness gets released?
I know there's not much info out there about Android 3.0 but I'm essentially asking if it's worth waiting or not?
Could be waiting for 4 months or more, can you handle that? Having said that Google are well known for just up and releasing stuff without much build up so it could be sooner than expected... personally I don't think it will be til early 2011 for 3.0 phones to be released.
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Could be waiting for 4 months or more, can you handle that? Having said that Google are well known for just up and releasing stuff without much build up so it could be sooner than expected... personally I don't think it will be til early 2011 for 3.0 phones to be released.
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Really? Early 2011? Damn.... I was convinced that 3.0 would be out *with* phones by the end of this year?! I can't really handle 4 months or more because my Hero is so damn slow and unstable. I love and appreciate the custom ROMs for it from the good folks at XDA but I need mo speed!
Thanks for the reply.... Only question now is finding out if the Galaxy S will get the custom ROM love that my Hero got or if I should wait for a HTC of similar (or better) spec.... I think I'm going to go for the Galaxy S because I could be waiting forever otherwise and my phone is basically a pain in the ass. I'll have a look at what's going on in the Galaxy S dev forum....
Bear in mind anything on this subject is speculation. I don't have any insider knowledge, its just my guesstimate.
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Bear in mind anything on this subject is speculation. I don't have any insider knowledge, its just my guesstimate.
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I appreciate that. Thing is.... What happens with Android releases usually? What's the pattern? Did 2.0 come out as software after an announcement and then a good while later the phones trickeld out? How long between the announcement and the release of SDK/dev tools etc and the the actual availablitlity of phones? I know very little is know about 3.0 - but does anyone know if it's confirmed that the *software* will be revealed/released by the end of this year or something else?
Is there a better place to ask this?
Cheers
I have heard speculation Android 3 will be for the tablets.
So if you want it, hold off on buying anything. Remember, dont buy because of what they promise. HTC promised 2.0 and 2.1 for AGES before releasing it. Custom ROMs were possible as there were leaks, but without leaks, you're essentially stuffed.
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I have heard speculation Android 3 will be for the tablets.
So if you want it, hold off on buying anything. Remember, dont buy because of what they promise. HTC promised 2.0 and 2.1 for AGES before releasing it. Custom ROMs were possible as there were leaks, but without leaks, you're essentially stuffed.
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I never knew that leaks make custom Roms possible...There are already custom Roms on XDA for the Galaxy S as far as I can tell. Forgive my ignorance but is it the case that Custom ROMs can only be developed from leaked official ROMs (for drivers etc)? Or can custom ROMs be developed simply from android sources? i.e. Because the Galaxy S is one of only a few android handsets from Samsung am I right in thinking that it's therefore much more difficult to, say, port Froyo to the Samsung Galaxy S unless there is an official version out there somewhere from Samgung themselves?
I LOVED messing about with new ROMs on my Hero and am currently rocking ForydVillain which is great - but the cracks in the Hero are starting to show - it's slow. In terms of ROM development - are HTC devices much more likely to get custom ROMs than Samsung phones? I don't know of any upcoming HTC handsets that rival the Samsung Galaxy S......yet!
It's such a pain because there are so many variables with Android, Handsets etc.... :-s
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I never knew that leaks make custom Roms possible...There are already custom Roms on XDA for the Galaxy S as far as I can tell. Forgive my ignorance but is it the case that Custom ROMs can only be developed from leaked official ROMs (for drivers etc)? Or can custom ROMs be developed simply from android sources? i.e. Because the Galaxy S is one of only a few android handsets from Samsung am I right in thinking that it's therefore much more difficult to, say, port Froyo to the Samsung Galaxy S unless there is an official version out there somewhere from Samgung themselves?
I LOVED messing about with new ROMs on my Hero and am currently rocking ForydVillain which is great - but the cracks in the Hero are starting to show - it's slow. In terms of ROM development - are HTC devices much more likely to get custom ROMs than Samsung phones? I don't know of any upcoming HTC handsets that rival the Samsung Galaxy S......yet!
It's such a pain because there are so many variables with Android, Handsets etc.... :-s
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Hold on, you've got confused here, as I wasn't pretty clear about what I was saying. You don't need a leak to make a ROM, but a leak lets you do it before official release. What I'm saying is that there's no guarantee that HTC or samsung or motorola or whoever will release Android 3 in any expedient time. HTC took forever to bring us 2.1, and the only way we managed to get it running BEFORE official release (which was June), was to use custom ROMs based on a leak.
Without that leak, we would likely have been much further back in making ROMs, and might not have managed till the release.
You can dev from a final release just fine, but leaks are needed to do so before the ROM release.
As for building from sources, you can do so, if there's a vendor overlay available. This is how FroydVillain is built.
XDA specialised in HTC devices since 2002/2003, but is now introducing stuff like Samsung devices. I don't know how many "real" devs are on the Samsung, but I think you'll have less custom ROMs, at least initially, until a development community builds up.
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Hold on, you've got confused here, as I wasn't pretty clear about what I was saying. You don't need a leak to make a ROM, but a leak lets you do it before official release. What I'm saying is that there's no guarantee that HTC or samsung or motorola or whoever will release Android 3 in any expedient time. HTC took forever to bring us 2.1, and the only way we managed to get it running BEFORE official release (which was June), was to use custom ROMs based on a leak.
Without that leak, we would likely have been much further back in making ROMs, and might not have managed till the release.
You can dev from a final release just fine, but leaks are needed to do so before the ROM release.
As for building from sources, you can do so, if there's a vendor overlay available. This is how FroydVillain is built.
XDA specialised in HTC devices since 2002/2003, but is now introducing stuff like Samsung devices. I don't know how many "real" devs are on the Samsung, but I think you'll have less custom ROMs, at least initially, until a development community builds up.
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Thanks for all the info - appreciate the detail and effort and maybe I need to get out more but I find it all fascinating
By the way - Somehow I've been thinking all day - utterly convinced - that 2011 is a whole year (12 months) from now instead of just a few months from now. I even called Orange to find out when I could cancel my contract. These years are flying by.... Maybe I'm getting old... Consequently - maybe I'll hold out a few more months for 3.0...
FroydVillain is as good as it gets on the Hero at the mo and it can only get better(!)
Message from SamFirmware I got from Twitter after asking when well see froyo...
Sorry if its in wrong forum.
"SamFirmware: @thunderlight868 America will be later. Samsung want first his 2.2 for Europe - Asia - Africa.I think update for America December / January"
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samfirmware is not an official channel, right?
Samfirmware is NOT Samsung. Not to mention they said they think (so it's just a guess) December or January. There is no proof here. Anyone's guess is as good as this one.
Actually.. I Think It Makes Sense...
The End Of The JI6 Firmware Is Oct. 31st Right?
Give It 2 Weeks To Deal With Customers...
And We Should Get It Within 3rd Week Of Nov. Through 2nd Week Of December
yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
Samsung’s full press release is as follows:
Samsung GALAXY S Offers New Android 2.2 Upgrade
New platform upgrade provides enhanced experience on the go
SEOUL, Korea – October 18, 2010 – Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., a leading mobile phone provider, today announced the Android™ 2.2 (Froyo) upgrade to the Samsung GALAXY S, giving users access to new features, enhanced navigation applications and improved performance.
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available via Kies, Samsung’s unique in-house software upgrade program. Kies can be downloaded at the Samsung mobile website (http://www.samsungmobile.com).
The GALAXY S is Samsung’s cleverly designed smartphone with a bright 4-inch SUPER AMOLED screen and a 1 GHz application processor, giving users an intelligent, immersive and integrated mobile experience. The Android 2.2 upgrade offers voice-controlled GPS through Google MapsTM with Navigation, faster performance by JIT(Just in Time) compiler. Additionally, further functionalities including Search in-browser, Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1, improved customization options will be provided with OS upgrade.
- Google MapsTM with Navigation: GPS navigation system with voice guidance
- Adobe® Flash® Player 10.1: Allow the web browser to make full use of the whole web
- Setup Wizard: Quickly customize the GALAXY S and access networks with ease
- Home Screen/Menu Preview and Edit : Preview by pinch-zoom
- Search in-Browser : Google™, Translate, Wikipedia, Dictionary
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available from the mid of October 2010 in the Nordic region and gradually rolled out to other European markets, Southeast Asia, the Middle East Asia, North America, Africa and rest of the world.
From the samsungmobileus Twitter in reply to a question about Froyo on Vibrant:
@Dirksmoothe we are working on Android 2.2 for the current Galaxy S phones. It will be available this year.
They will probably deliver on that date, although it might be a situation like December 31st is when the first OTA's roll out, with everyone else getting the update by January 31st. But that's good enough for us because it will be on XDA before too long after the first OTA's rolled out.
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I want froyo as much as the next guy but honestly I can wait patiently. This phone runs flawlessly as is. The only real benefit would be a couple apps, flash which will be nice but I probably won't use very often. Not to mention the performance increase but I'm completely content with where I'm at now.
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From the Samsung press release:
The Android 2.2 upgrade will be available from the mid of October 2010 in the Nordic region and gradually rolled out to other European markets, Southeast Asia, the Middle East Asia, North America, Africa and rest of the world.
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Be aware that even for "North America," Samsung may be referring to the variants of the international I9000 that are sold in Canada. That is still close to the "Galaxy S" phones sold in Europe, and not so close to the U.S. carriers' modified phones.
The U.S. carriers have a lot of their own notions about their branded products. Both the hardware and firmware of the AT&T Captivate and T-Mobile Sprint are different from the Samsung I9000 reference model in at least some ways. (The Verizon Fascinate and Sprint Epic 4G are even further away in design, with their CDMA radios and differerent chipsets, including the GPS chip.)
In summary, all "Galaxy S" phones are not the same. There is much misleading information floating around about the international Galaxy S platform, from which naive observers erroneously generalize and derive predictions about the U.S. market.
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yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
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Because you're horribly impatient or because you think there will be less dumbassery in the G2 forums?
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yeah and this is why I'm trading the vibrant for a g2.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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Unless some genius decides to fry the chip that prevents root with a soldering iron to deactivate it, my vote is on the vibrant getting froyo.
Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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Yep, what he said.
+ 2 no froyo till 2012 oh wait thats the end of the world
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dezvous said:
I want froyo as much as the next guy but honestly I can wait patiently. This phone runs flawlessly as is. The only real benefit would be a couple apps, flash which will be nice but I probably won't use very often. Not to mention the performance increase but I'm completely content with where I'm at now.
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This phone doesn't run flawlessly. Try hard to delude yourself, but even looking at it from the perspective of "it's an opinion," it sounds silly at best.
While FroYo may not have features that you crave, it does for many other users. Many of those features actually will help the phone approach "flawlessness," which it has continuously failed (quite convincingly) to achieve thus far.
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What do you think will happen first, Froyo on the Vibrant, or a real root for the G2? Frankly, I don't know why you'd want to swap when there are already great ROMs out for the Vibrant and it's about to get much much better. G2 development is pretty stagnant right now while they wait for a permanent root solution.
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Everyone doesn't root their phones.
Everyone doesn't come here to find out how to hack their phones, either (in b4 "TH3N WHY R U N XDA F0RUMZ?!?!!1?").
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Who cares about Froyo release??? It will come to your phone via OTA at some point, and there will be a plethora posts "OTA bricked my phone" - once you go custom, you would never look at the OTA/stock. There might be a bit of a delay getting a custom ROM after the OTA started rolling out, but the quality of work put into the custom ROM's by the devs here - do not forget to donate to keep the development fluent - exceeds OTA by several miles.
For all I care, my phone runs as smooth as butter now on a custom Eclair ROM, I don't think Froyo will be a great improvement, stock OTA Froyo that is.
P.S. Go ahead get that G2, and join the army of loosen hinges and constant reboots whenever your coverage degrades.
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+5 Oh yeah... I second that motion.
N8ter said:
This phone doesn't run flawlessly. Try hard to delude yourself, but even looking at it from the perspective of "it's an opinion," it sounds silly at best.
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What do I gain out of deluding myself? I have literally never been upset, frustrated, or anything less than completely satisfied with the performance of this phone. Judging by what I see around here, your mileage may vary but I cannot comment on that and you most certainly cannot comment on my experience.
Let's just say this, if your Vibrant is performing slower than mine then I could understand, but if your Vibrant and mine actually do perform the same then I am unsure of what you are in search of.
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/5196562-samsung-starts-froyo-updates-
Check out this thread for FROYO by SamFirmWare
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Samsung Starts with Froyo updates next week.
They start with Europe.
After Europe the will go to Asia and Africa.
Every Galaxy S user could update his device with Samsung Kies.
Or with our way. (ODIN)
The firmwares will be XWJPA or XXJPO. (For Europe)
Both firmwares leaked on our website already.
So if you want you could download them and update your mobile!
Good Luck!
Remember after this Release Samsung keep supporting your device!
So please check weekly Samsung Kies or our website!
Why we think this are the KIES releases?
When you checked all newsmessages you find out that Samsung removed JPM from his servers.
A couple of days ago SamsungMobileUK place on his facebook and twitter that they start in begin November till the end of November for all operators.
When we check now the new Firmware versions it could be the new KIES releases. For Europe and Scandinavian.
Every Galaxy S phone will have Android 2.2 before 2011!
We have currently no information for the Samsung I5800 and I5500.
But JPA has many bugs... This is the famous new and fast FW?
I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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But JPA has many bugs... This is the famous new and fast FW?
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This has been said over a billion times, no software will be w/o bugs. Even HTC devices are pretty buggy.. Probably the one with the least bugs is the Nexus 1.
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I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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I know I won't.
I love the phone and I am on 2.1.
I can't see what's the big deal with froyo. None of the features it brings are groundbreaking (maybe with the exception of flash 10).
I don't think I would upgrade anyway...
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I know I won't.
I love the phone and I am on 2.1.
I can't see what's the big deal with froyo. None of the features it brings are groundbreaking (maybe with the exception of flash 10).
I don't think I would upgrade anyway...
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Alot of new apps need 2.2. eg new Gmail app, Youtube app, Skype only seems to work on 2.2 with SGS, to name a few.
Nammmmmmmmmmm
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Alot of new apps need 2.2. eg new Gmail app, Youtube app, Skype only seems to work on 2.2 with SGS, to name a few.
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That's nice, but I don't think any of these updates are "must have" for me. The changes on the gmail app are not essential for me. I don't use youtube that much and when I use it I find it good enough and the skype implementation is not bringing video calls, so I don't want it.
If and when something amazing comes to 2.2 that I definitely must have, I may upgrade. Until then I would rather see bug fixes than new features as the phone already does a lot!
running jp6 with a modded kernel (341 megs by hardcore!), and its extremely quick and stable! i totally love my sgs the way it is now and have very few things to whine about
i just want samsung to commit on gingerbread for our devices
So, that "fast" FW samfirmware was talking about is going to be just a firmware with less lags than in pulled scandinavian official Froyo? That sucks, because my phone feels laggy (black screens) even on JM9 with Voodoo. And lagfix is the ONLY thing that i need from new FWs.
At least we will have official Froyo.... be happy!
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At least we will have official Froyo.... be happy!
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I'm sorry but it's not cool. Samsung seems to have this strange policy to release high-end devices and not provide proper support for them.
Right now I'm using JPK with OCLF and Launcher Pro Plus and I'm happy with my phone. But both OCLF and Launcher Pro are third party apps.
There are tons of lagfix solutions and custom ROMs that are better than the stock ones.
Customizing your device must be a choice and not a necessity so you can get decent performance on a top-notch hardware.
And I keep getting the feeling that they leak ROMs intentionally and use XDA users as guinea pigs. And are using devs to fix the issues...
Sorry that my first post ever in this forum is so negative but I'm getting really mad and impatient with Samsung...
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I wonder how many will sell their devices if this is true?
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after 3 months of waiting i finally decided to sell my loved SGS.
its a good phone, but a buggy one, in my opinion a bit to buggy.
I hope for u all there will be at least this "fast" new ROM out there soon.
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I'm sorry but it's not cool. Samsung seems to have this strange policy to release high-end devices and not provide proper support for them.
Right now I'm using JPK with OCLF and Launcher Pro Plus and I'm happy with my phone. But both OCLF and Launcher Pro are third party apps.
There are tons of lagfix solutions and custom ROMs that are better than the stock ones.
Customizing your device must be a choice and not a necessity so you can get decent performance on a top-notch hardware.
And I keep getting the feeling that they leak ROMs intentionally and use XDA users as guinea pigs. And are using devs to fix the issues...
Sorry that my first post ever in this forum is so negative but I'm getting really mad and impatient with Samsung...
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Yeah, the lagfixes are great, except when they corrupt your IMEI and cause other issues. You do get decent performance without them. The lag patches haven't been flawless either... And yes, despite the crap samsung gets, I used an iPhone 4 the other day, and it was taking MUCH longer to respond to minor things (despite the fact iphones use compiled code, so they should be even more responsive).
In regards to samfirmware, forget about the rumor sites, most of them have been consistently wrong, and haven't been using credible sources.
@Sociopathic: I have a friend with HTC Desire and Froyo for 4 months I guess and he's not happy... he feels that the Froyo update for his phone is not properly made.
My guess is Samsung was not prepared for Andorid's rise. Not even Google. So, we have to be pacient. Good things will come with Android. Samsung is moving slow because is a huge company with a lot of people to decide what and when goes online, each one pushing his interests. Someone wants Froyo so contain this, other that and so on...
Tolisan decided to sell his Galaxy S. He cut the **** and moved on.
Enjoy your Galaxy S or buy something else. I'm happy with mine! Best phone I ever had!
*yawn*
i'm more excited with the post about samsung's intention to make better pc software then kies
Why you complain everytime about bugs?
I use my phone often, and most of all "bugs" are PEBTAC.
(Problem exists between Touchscreen and chair).
But I'm wondering about the not optimized JIT.
Is it so difficult for Samsung to unleash the performance of the 1337 CPU?
And it's strange that they canceled JPM and made just minor changes.
That's what disappointed me
Gohst_oc said:
Why you complain everytime about bugs?
I use my phone often, and most of all "bugs" are PEBTAC.
(Problem exists between Touchscreen and chair).
But I'm wondering about the not optimized JIT.
Is it so difficult for Samsung to unleash the performance of the 1337 CPU?
And it's strange that they canceled JPM and made just minor changes.
That's what disappointed me
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JPM was possibly only a release candidate in the first place. And we don't know exactly what was fixed anyway. There may have been some less-common major bugs fixed.
In regards to optimising JIT, our JIT might be optimised, but might simply not be optimised for the benchmarks. Remember, most CPU benchmarks only test a small number of instructions.
While the T959 is a well built phone with great specs, I felt like it was incomplete until 2.2 ROMs came out in November. Then, when 2.3 and the Nexus S were announced, that feeling returned.. now with Cyanogenmod7 working so well, I am in love with my Vibrant once again.
Even without any further version updates (2.4, 3.0 if possible) the phone has been improved dramatically by the work of Team Whiskey, Supercurio, Eugene, and the Cyanogenmod Team.
What keeps the Vibrant apart from all the HTC and Motorola phones when it comes to Cyanogenmod - is it a driver issue? Is it because of the Hummingbird processor?
Now that CM7 is finally working well on the Vibrant, does this mean that future Cyanogenmod versions will work on the Vibrant? Have they finally "cracked the shell" so to speak?
I am curious also as to what makes CyanogenMod different to work on for our phones vs the other ones you named.
CM is actually worse for Motorola devices as they have a locked bootloader...
On the other hand, HTC is very good about releasing source for their devices when compared to Samsung, who rarely releases source code if at all (driver source). Plus, CM started on HTCs, and with every device using similar Qualcomm hardware, i can imagine it is easier to port to newer Qualcomm-equipped HTC devices. That said, it appears that HTC is beginning to implement software to prevent rooting on newer phones like the G2, so we may see more people moving towards the more open Samsung devices.
Finally, this is explained to me. Thanks!
Why do drivers need to be recompiled for each version of Android? Do they need to be recompiled for similar releases such as 2.0 and 2.1 or 2.3 and 2.4?
I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to the Linux architecture, so take the following with a grain of salt.
Anyways, I believe it has to do with the kernel, which should contain the device drivers. Now, kernels must indeed be recompiled for every android system update; this is why a 2.1 or 2.2 kernel will not work with the newer 2.3.x roms. The problem for us is that once Samsung stops releasing kernels/roms for the SGS series, devs will no longer have a base to build off of. Hopefully devs can make use of updates/drivers from the Nexus S to keep the SGS series up to date with CM.
qtilt ......... nicely explained
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qtilt ......... nicely explained
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I agree!
The main difference between CM/MIUI and the rest of the roms you see here on XDA is that CM/MIUI are built directly off of a Vanilla Froyo/Gingerbread. No extra flavorings or seasonings such as TouchWiz, HTC Sense, MotoBlur, Droid UI, etc. The use of, or misuse of, causes phones to run slower and do more work (unnecessarily) while it computes extra calculations of the UI. [EDIT]When developers BASE a rom off of a leak or pre-existing firmware it does not make it Vanilla just by removing TWiz or Sense or the rest of bloatware. Vanilla is generally the most simple a firmware can be, with no added extra-pazzaz[/EDIT]
There hasn't been a solid update to MIUI for our phone in a month, but CM has nightly builds and HOPEFULLY it has "cracked the shell," so to speak. Even if Samsung STOPS upgrading our firmware (which has already happened IMO), CyanogenMod makes their own code and develops independently without the use of previous stockpiles of code...which is why it's difficult at first to come up with their own driver source (because Samsung refuses to release ALL the sources needed). Hopefully our Vibrant is covered for the next 2.4 or 3.0 (3.1) update.
Samsung needs to continue to make money. They wouldn't if they let each phone update to the newest andros os. Not just samsung, any hardware company.
Sent from my vibrant using cyanogenmod7.
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Samsung needs to continue to make money. They wouldn't if they let each phone update to the newest android os. Not just Samsung, any hardware company.
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I disagree with this because, If Samsung released the code and people updated their phones as they liked and put different operating systems, roms as they liked. customer satisfaction would skyrocket. People would be more likely to buy new phones only from Samsung because they wanted the newest available hardware, read this as faster more flexible with more options.
but alas Samsung as with most of the manufacturers suffer from penny wise and dollar stupid syndrome and they end up being fairly low on the customer satisfaction scale another words they suck
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I disagree with this because, If Samsung released the code and people updated their phones as they liked and put different operating systems, roms as they liked. customer satisfaction would skyrocket. People would be more likely to buy new phones only from Samsung because they wanted the newest available hardware, read this as faster more flexible with more options.
but alas Samsung as with most of the manufacturers suffer from penny wise and dollar stupid syndrome and they end up being fairly low on the customer satisfaction scale another words they suck
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As a hardware company customer satisfaction is one thing and making them buy more of their products is another. If your 4,5-years old phone can still upgrade to the newest OS why would you buy a new one? So there is a balance for them to keep, their want to make their customer happy with their product but not too happy so their stay with old product forever.
That's very much why samsung was hesitated about 2.3 upgrade for the galaxy line.
The future of the device has more to do with whether or not the developers stick with the device. With the SGS being an international phone there is a better chance of this happening, and samsung has started getting better with releasing their source. As mentioned earlier HTC is making devices harder to root, for example the HTC desire CDMA with 2.2 is impossible to root and the G2 was an annoyance.
Also samsung has released multiple phones that are very close to the Vibrant such as the Nexus S and the Vibrant 4g. The Nexus S will be updated for awhile and source will be released for it, so its something though not much. The Vibrant 4g will also hopefully be updated and that will hopefully be an easy port. Also 2.4 is very similar to 2.3 so that will hopefully be an easy update for the developers.
Basically as long as we have the awesome devs that we have and we dont flame everyone that the devs get tired of working with the phone then we will have a device that will be updated and beautiful.
I want a stock style gingerbread, and I hope a touchwiz themed CM7 coming out.
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I want a stock style gingerbread, and I hope a touchwiz themed CM7 coming out.
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I believe Krylon is working on Stock, as for a Twiz themed CM7 I ask why?
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I believe Krylon is working on Stock, as for a Twiz themed CM7 I ask why?
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Ha, this is whats to come. CM7 hasn't arrived yet and now they want it with twiz. The ridding of twiz is part of what makes it great.
Sent from my SGH-T959
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Ha, this is whats to come. CM7 hasn't arrived yet and now they want it with twiz. The ridding of twiz is part of what makes it great.
Sent from my SGH-T959
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+1 agree 100%
bearsfan85 said:
The future of the device has more to do with whether or not the developers stick with the device. With the SGS being an international phone there is a better chance of this happening, and samsung has started getting better with releasing their source.
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Basically as long as we have the awesome devs that we have and we dont flame everyone that the devs get tired of working with the phone then we will have a device that will be updated and beautiful.
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Amen. Well stated.
The Xoom (USA Wifi version) users are having their official 3.2 updates OTA now!
http://tablets-planet.com/2011/07/1...arts-to-arrive-for-some-wi-fi-motorola-xooms/
Where is ours?
I dont even have the 3.1 update for my 10.1v.
Haha
You do realize this is Samsung we are talking about?
It usually takes months if not years for them to generally fix major bugs on their devices. Same for pushing firmware updates...
Sad but this is how it is.
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Haha
You do realize this is Samsung we are talking about?
It usually takes months if not years for them to generally fix major bugs on their devices. Same for pushing firmware updates...
Sad but this is how it is.
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You also realize that samsung has really stepped up their game with both quality and service?
No, we may not see 3.2 officially from samsung this month, but i bet we see a leak of it before the end of august.
Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
Wait for Touchwiz before Android 3.2
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You also realize that samsung has really stepped up their game with both quality and service?
No, we may not see 3.2 officially from samsung this month, but i bet we see a leak of it before the end of august.
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Samsung is doing amazing job in hardware development. They really do but for software support the company simply s*cks.
For example Galaxy S is almost a year and a half old. This device sold more than 10 million units worldwide is one of the most successful smartphone ever and believe it or not it's still waiting to get Gingerbread.
And this is only one example. Almost every Samsung Android phone out there is suffering the same issue. Actually all with the exceptions of Nexus S and Nexus S 4G and that because Google itself is handling the software and pushing updates on those devices.
To make things worst Samsung will push the TouchWiz UI very soon. Which means now they have to make sure Touch UI is compatible with the latest Android version which take even more time. They always take their time to ensure compatibility with their stupid TouchWiz and they ALWAYS end up with extremely buggy results.
As for an early leak, what is the point of getting a beta software to an already buggy device?
If for any reason you believe that Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be an exception for Samsung, please feel free to share. I really like to know it.
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Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
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That's pretty much the case.
Now that TW is coming. No way we'll see 3.2 anytime soon. Not a chance with Samsungs history.
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Samsung is doing amazing job in hardware development. They really do but for software support the company simply s*cks.
For example Galaxy S is almost a year and a half old. This device sold more than 10 million units worldwide is one of the most successful smartphone ever and believe it or not it's still waiting to get Gingerbread.
And this is only one example. Almost every Samsung Android phone out there is suffering the same issue. Actually all with the exceptions of Nexus S and Nexus S 4G and that because Google itself is handling the software and pushing updates on those devices.
To make things worst Samsung will push the TouchWiz UI very soon. Which means now they have to make sure Touch UI is compatible with the latest Android version which take even more time. They always take their time to ensure compatibility with their stupid TouchWiz and they ALWAYS end up with extremely buggy results.
As for an early leak, what is the point of getting a beta software to an already buggy device?
If for any reason you believe that Galaxy Tab 10.1 will be an exception for Samsung, please feel free to share. I really like to know it.
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I would disagree somewhat. The Galaxy S has been upgraded to Gingerbread on European versions of the phone. While updates for phones in the past have been lagging I would view that Samsung has taken a new approach as of late. The majority of the phones released around the same time period as the Galaxy S line have not received the Gingerbread update either. I would respond to you and ask for another cell phone manufacturer who is doing it better? Also besides zoom to fit (which spare parts will fix) there's not much benefit of 3.2 for us. The update adds zoom to fit, finally enables SD cards on the Xoom, and is more optimized to fit on 7" tablets i.e. 7-inch Huawei MediaPad.
As for Touchwiz I felt V3 was in need of much work (it does appear to be revamped a tad and smoother on the latest Fascinate GB leak) however V4 on the SGII has me sold on it being the default launcher on my phone. It is butter smooth and I love how it is laid out. If you were to poll the majority of Android users on XDA I would wager over 75% are unhappy with their stock manufacturer's launcher. I am looking forward to what Samsung will bring to the table.
I myself believe that Honeycomb is still very "beta-ish" in its current state. It was rushed and is extremely buggy. I think releasing the source code would help immensely as devs could iron out bugs (which they nicely do for Google now on the phone side). However, I do not believe it will be released before a transition into Ice Cream Sandwich.
Forget 3.2, are us 10.1v users even going to see 3.1???
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Forget 3.2, are us 10.1v users even going to see 3.1???
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There's a HC 3.1 ROM by seo available in the 10.1v section - incl. TouchWiz.
Dont know
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Xoom is also Google's flagship HC tablet so obviously they'll always get the latest updates first. Give it time. Maybe we'll have our 3.2 by the time ICS is out
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This sounds about right. Especially the "maybe."
seems like 3.2 is just about 7 or 8 inch tablet support so don't sweat that.
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seems like 3.2 is just about 7 or 8 inch tablet support so don't sweat that.
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It's not just about smaller screen tablets. It brings some small bug fixes also:
There is no lag on up side down home screen. Portrait is also better but not much.
Browser seems a little faster and typing a message on XDA doesn't lag as bad as it did on 3.1
I was also planning to buy SGT, but now I'm not sure anymore. I don't want to wait for updates. In this regard, the US Xoom is the best tablet. Only downside is that the US 3G version doesn't work in Europe and i want a tablet with 3G connectivity.
I got the update(wifi Only). Any one have a clue how to access it? Or make Sgt use it? The SD card i mean..lol
There isn't a 3.2 update for Galaxy Tab, and there is no SD card either. Troll somewhere else
I've been a forum reader/poster for over 20 years. Seen many things and read many posts. I know trolls and I know funny.
It's safe to say that the threads that I've read on the XDA forums have the most people with lack of sense of humor than any I've been a part of.
Why is that?
I didn't think it was funny... It was a clear troll post.
Could the 10.1 run 3.2 from the Zoom, or does it have to be made specifically for the Samsung 10.1?
Because supposedly reverse landscape and portrait mode performance are improved, near regular landscape performance.
Thanks for making my point.