This should really start being looked into by the devs. It would be AMAZING to have it on the Epic4G. Easier said than done. But we got some great devs and I think they can pull it off!!. Please devs. We need this!
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What do you mean by dual boot?
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/2012/01/boot-el30-stock-from-sdcard.html
The temporary EL30 boot from sdcard is a method of "dual boot" which has been useful for people to update PRL and calibrate sensors. This old version is problematic in that 3G and 4G data is broken. We know how to fix it, but it would take a few hours of work and there hasn't been demand for it.
Any type of dual boot would boot from the sdcard. The slow sdcard. Not a great user experience.
LOL...I got a quad boot on my phone. If I boot right into CWM I have nandroids of 4 ROMs to choose from to restore. Takes less than 10 minutes to restore one and then there is no issue of running from a slow sd card since we don't have enough internal memory to make real dual boot work.
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What do you mean by dual boot?
http://epiccm.blogspot.com/2012/01/boot-el30-stock-from-sdcard.html
The temporary EL30 boot from sdcard is a method of "dual boot" which has been useful for people to update PRL and calibrate sensors. This old version is problematic in that 3G and 4G data is broken. We know how to fix it, but it would take a few hours of work and there hasn't been demand for it.
Any type of dual boot would boot from the sdcard. The slow sdcard. Not a great user experience.
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NOT DUALBOOTING
kennyglass123 said:
LOL...I got a quad boot on my phone. If I boot right into CWM I have nandroids of 4 ROMs to choose from to restore. Takes less than 10 minutes to restore one and then there is no issue of running from a slow sd card since we don't have enough internal memory to make real dual boot work.
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Haha no Dual booting is when you turn on your phone and have the chance to boot into either windows or android. like windows has.
Real dualbooting
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NOT DUALBOOTING
Haha no Dual booting is when you turn on your phone and have the chance to boot into either windows or android. like windows has.
Real dualbooting
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I know what real dual booting is....LOL. But not practical with our phones limited memory. With MTD and very limited apps it is probably possible but not practical leaving no room for any third padty apps.
Was just injecting a little humor..sheesh. ..tough crowd..l
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I know what real dual booting is....LOL. But not practical with our phones limited memory. With MTD and very limited apps it is probably possible but not practical leaving no room for any third padty apps.
Was just injecting a little humor..sheesh. ..tough crowd..l
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not trying to be tough lol just saying is all. but if an old windows mobile phone can why cant ours, the htc touch pro 2 did and has less everything than ours.
I got it xP. I think he is just a bit to serious ha
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I got it xP. I think he is just a bit to serious ha
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Ha...been awhile since I was accused of that...lol.
Is it possible that other phone's ROMs are much smaller than ours? It can be done but would be a tight squeeze on MTD but next to impossible on BML.
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Nook color has this. Although I never compared the specs. One boots off SD card, thither off internal memory. Speed off SD is same as internal. But I don't think the epic could handle this as a full time option. Just my opinion. My NC dual boots cm7 and cm9.
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Nook color has this. Although I never compared the specs. One boots off SD card, thither off internal memory. Speed off SD is same as internal. But I don't think the epic could handle this as a full time option. Just my opinion. My NC dual boots cm7 and cm9.
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I've benchmarked our internals and they come out to about 218 mb/s read our sdcards are average about 15 mb/s read
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Android = 200mb
Nand = 500mb
Data+cache = ~300ish mb
If you dual boot you will have no space for apps
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Android = 200mb
Nand = 500mb
Data+cache = ~300ish mb
If you dual boot you will have no space for apps
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Where'd all that space come from? I thought we only had like 300 megs in both RAM and ROM?
Also my friends tp2 and hd2 dual booted very easily into android (infact I think the hd2 is the most developed for android phone after the g1 and nexus 1, and its not even native lololol) and ran extremely smooth (on the hd2...on the tp2 it was like a hero with a keyboard lol. Random sluggishness.)
But nah if the hd2 can handle it I know damn well our phones can handle it. The problem is, everything we can dual boot is closed source so that's why windows phones can dual boot android but not vice-versa (I mean, you could do it yourself but just can't distribute it).
Meego seems like a great choice for a dual boot though since its open source and amazing...
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Where'd all that space come from? I thought we only had like 300 megs in both RAM and ROM?
Also my friends tp2 and hd2 dual booted very easily into android (infact I think the hd2 is the most developed for android phone after the g1 and nexus 1, and its not even native lololol) and ran extremely smooth (on the hd2...on the tp2 it was like a hero with a keyboard lol. Random sluggishness.)
But nah if the hd2 can handle it I know damn well our phones can handle it. The problem is, everything we can dual boot is closed source so that's why windows phones can dual boot android but not vice-versa (I mean, you could do it yourself but just can't distribute it).
Meego seems like a great choice for a dual boot though since its open source and amazing...
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This is still not possible. The HD2 had a lot more ROM.
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This is still not possible. The HD2 had a lot more ROM.
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Whats funny is the HTC HD2 still runs ICS or can dual boot etc... and its 3 years old
I have had my head spun by this topic myself -- I've been doing a lot of searches and reading just about every result but I can't seem to find good general info on the subject. I've seen some loosely compiled info on dual booting CM9/CM7, and I've seen some info on the EL30 from sdcard mentioned before, but I had hoped to boot CM9/CleanGB as CleanGB is what I'm running stable and comfortable with now. I'd just like to be able to have stable and comfortable as a fallback for playing with ICS. I know running off the sd is supposed to be quite slow, I don't really know what to expect as to HOW slow, but the way I figured slow was an acceptable compromise for a stable fallback.
My bottom line has been that a lot of kernels seem to support this, yet it feels like there's very little info on doing it, and that just confuses me a skosh. Is CM9/CleanGB even possible due to kernel requirements?
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I used to do this on my HTC TouchPro2. It was nice having android on it. The only problem was battery died too quick. But it was a pretty easy thing to do.
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I used to do this on my HTC TouchPro2. It was nice having android on it. The only problem was battery died too quick. But it was a pretty easy thing to do.
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Obviously the Touch Pro was designed to run windows mobile only and more business like Blackberrry
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XxLostSoulxX said:
Obviously the Touch Pro was designed to run windows mobile only and more business like Blackberrry
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Ya I know. Coming from a T-mobile MyTouch3G Slide I hated the TP2 lol.
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Obviously the Touch Pro was designed to run windows mobile only and more business like Blackberrry
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What does pointing out the obvious have to do with what he said
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Is it possible? Id love to play with it lol
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Someone delete this lol I change my mind
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That's not going too happen. Windows is copywrited it'd be like stealing a copy of windows 7 and installing it on your pc. Illegal
As long it is a Windows 7 phone it has to be Windows OS. As for android which is opensource...
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its really hard to do.... but
why change your mind? just becuase someone said it was illegal?
Actually, its in the process of being done on the EVO, Its not final if it will work or start, but it was able to boot. Maybe at the End of the Summer, it may be available for the Evo, and it might get ported to the epic, but the chances are highly unlikely.
gokuman56 said:
Actually, its in the process of being done on the EVO, Its not final if it will work or start, but it was able to boot. Maybe at the End of the Summer, it may be available for the Evo, and it might get ported to the epic, but the chances are highly unlikely.
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One of my favorite features of the HTC phones was the ability to dual-boot android or WinMO. The Touch Pro was awesome with this. Unfortunately HTC doesn't want to make a decent phone with a keyboard anymore, and nobody else likes WinMO.
Launcher 7 is about as close as we'll come... I'm happy enough with it
Wp7 sucks.. enough said...
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Wp7 sucks.. enough said...
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+1 why would even conjure this idea when you own android and can do way more with it. Wait til android comes to desktops. OOOOOOHHHHH SH****T
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Netflix woould be one reason.
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Well we all know android is better. I just want to play with it out of the sake of curiousity... I owned a tilt back in the day and I HATED Winmo. But now that the os has been completely revised and its actually good and hasn't fallen flat on its face id like to try it out. Just out of curiousity lol
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It won't happen. Ever.
Incompatible hardware, closed source OS, and a dozen other reasons.
Wouldn't a dual boot of some other os be nice right about now? whats an os out we should get to dual boot?
None. No other device uses the same hardware as ours and writing drivers for an entire OS is an unbelievable undertaking we don't have the devs for.
063_XOBX said:
None. No other device uses the same hardware as ours and writing drivers for an entire OS is an unbelievable undertaking we don't have the devs for.
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it sucks how its the other way around though for windows users
XxLostSoulxX said:
it sucks how its the other way around though for windows users
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They don't have a dev community so not really. So far there has been one successful "jailbreak" that ruins their ability to update forever. Not much of a future there.
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They don't have a dev community so not really. So far there has been one successful "jailbreak" that ruins their ability to update forever. Not much of a future there.
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For 7 right? I know Windows Mobile 6 had the ability to dual-boot with Android just fine...
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Yeah, I gave my wife my old touch pro 2, she runs froyo on it... doesn't even use winmo anymore.
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The droid incredible can dual boot 2 android roms but that's becouse of its generous internal memory. It would be near impossible for us on our pathetic 400mb or so.
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For 7 right? I know Windows Mobile 6 had the ability to dual-boot with Android just fine...
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That's what convinced me to come to Android. I had a Windows Mobile 6 phone, and after dual booting with Android for about a month, I realized I liked it a lot better and decided that my next phone would be an Android one. And that was a big deal for me, because I was developing apps for my Windows phone but had never made an Android app before.
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For 7 right? I know Windows Mobile 6 had the ability to dual-boot with Android just fine...
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yes Windows Mobile 6
icevapor said:
Yeah, I gave my wife my old touch pro 2, she runs froyo on it... doesn't even use winmo anymore.
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Very cool!.. I played with android on my TP2 before I got the epic
What build are you using for your wife? I have a couple of "non techie" friends who are stuck with TP2's and i would love to get froyo working on them. Does everything work? camera, sound etc?
Jimmyjoe said:
Very cool!.. I played with android on my TP2 before I got the epic
What build are you using for your wife? I have a couple of "non techie" friends who are stuck with TP2's and i would love to get froyo working on them. Does everything work? camera, sound etc?
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Uhhh f...06 (... means I can't remeber, its something like frx06 or something) w/ one of of the updated kernels in the forums. Bluetooth doesn't work, but my wife never uses it.
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For 7 right? I know Windows Mobile 6 had the ability to dual-boot with Android just fine...
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The OS has nothing to do w/ whether you can dual boot or not. But more depends on the hardware and and what software and/or drivers the community has put together.
Comming from winmo, I see no reason why anyone would want to go to it from android.
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icevapor said:
Comming from winmo, I see no reason why anyone would want to go to it from android.
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This.
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I'd love to run WebOS on my Epic.
stir fry a lot said:
I'd love to run WebOS on my Epic.
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You never will. It's mostly closed source and even if by some miracle someone got it working HP would sue them into oblivion.
I would like to boot Fedora 3.4 on my Epic.
Am I doing it right?
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You never will. It's mostly closed source and even if by some miracle someone got it working HP would sue them into oblivion.
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Yeah I know. Just wishful thinking on my part. I love WebOS but the hardware they're giving it sucks beyond sucking.
This is nice, but does not support Vibrant, yet. Can only wait.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.drx2.bootmanager
This is gonna be awsome once vibrant support gonna be able to switch 2 2.2 if I need battery an CM7 for features an speed can't wait
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why didnt anyone think of making this app [email protected]!?!?!?
2.99 :S never spent that much on a app before lol, will be my first soon as we're supported.
Its been done on the Hd2. Its pretty neat, you can run either windows mobile or android on the internal memory and however many android os'es on the external sd.
Can't wait for vibrant support
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this is going to be awesome.
Can you dualboot miui and cm7?
For what reason would you want to do that?
I'm guessing if you know how to dual-boot then try it make sure you have a kernel that's compatible with both.. otherwise no.
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Because I like them both and can't decide which I want as my daily.
With the new partition map and both roms under 118 mb I don't see why we can't have 2 different roms on the internal memory.
I am trying to find a computer science summer school so I can do this myself but summer is far away so I was wondering if any of our amazing devs could do that quicker than me
phonehunter59 said:
Because I like them both and can't decide which I want as my daily.
With the new partition map and both roms under 118 mb I don't see why we can't have 2 different roms on the internal memory.
I am trying to find a computer science summer school so I can do this myself but summer is far away so I was wondering if any of our amazing devs could do that quicker than me
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Possible the how to dual boot in android development .....
I think this method still works very lenghty so read up :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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But that requires me to boot from the sd card which is really slow.
I think this is going to be my first real project.
It doesn't seem complicated.
I tried at other projects and failed so I'm going to give this a shot and if it works I'll post it in the development section.
Yes, one would need to boot from the sd card because there is no current way to share the system and data space. Your phone would not be able to seperate one framework-res from the other...you get the idea. You can't put pot roast and spaghetti in the same pot and try to eat only pot roast.
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But if you make 2 system folders and 2 data folders and interrupt he boot path to let you choose which ones to use it might be possible. Take all that I am saying with a grain of salt but our device has done some pretty amazing things the past year and a half so let's let it live up to it's name and try every single way to make it better. I am going to start trying after I get my spring break because I'm a freshman in high school then in the summer after my classes I could probably get close or a buggy version working. I just needed to know if any other developer already did it so I wouldn't waste my time.
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It sounds more like it would need 2 partitions and some controller to pick which one at boot up but feasible since computers can do it.
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The htc incredible can dual boot internally, I know they have like 8 gigs internal but we can at least try now right we have 690mb internal memory we might be able to squeeze it in maybe
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Biggoron said:
For what reason would you want to do that?
I'm guessing if you know how to dual-boot then try it make sure you have a kernel that's compatible with both.. otherwise no.
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Cm7 and miui kernels are cross compatible. The problem isn't that. Its making it dualboot compatible.
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No Froyo support? Dealbreaker
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This is gonna be one bad mother.............shut ya mouth........can't wait...
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This is definitely a new and great developement for roms,it will cut down on the questions and let us know whats going on during your install process.
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No Froyo support? Dealbreaker
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I know and the odd thing is that it DOES work with Eclair
Well you will have to get an older es explore but heck maybe I will even do a froyo just for fun. A little cm6 love..... lets just see. If anyone got eclair or cupcake we could go way retro
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I know y'all think I'm crazy but I have run eclair on my phone for several weeks already in 2013.
I'm not an expert but I am learning about a lot of Evo history. So I can confidently say, eclair yes, donut no. And who is talking about cupcake? If anyone can get that running on an Evo let me know. I'll give it a go..
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If I can get links to pre froyo I will make cool release for them
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I know y'all think I'm crazy but I have run eclair on my phone for several weeks already in 2013.
I'm not an expert but I am learning about a lot of Evo history. So I can confidently say, eclair yes, donut no. And who is talking about cupcake? If anyone can get that running on an Evo let me know. I'll give it a go..
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That's just awesome!
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Well you will have to get an older es explore but heck maybe I will even do a froyo just for fun. A little cm6 love..... lets just see. If anyone got eclair or cupcake we could go way retro
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Challenge accepted! Lol Cupcake on the Evo. Wonder how that would run being that the Evo specs are well above what's needed. I'm assuming, if someone is actually able to get it to boot cupcake, that it would run about as well as running Windows 95 on one of today's typical PC specs.
In regards to the toolbox and apps. Would the flash 11.x work on GB as well? I thought flash stopped at 10.x for GB and 11.x was for 4.x.x (ICS and up).
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Challenge accepted! Lol Cupcake on the Evo. Wonder how that would run being that the Evo specs are well above what's needed. I'm assuming, if someone is actually able to get it to boot cupcake, that it would run about as well as running Windows 95 on one of today's typical PC specs.
In regards to the toolbox and apps. Would the flash 11.x work on GB as well? I thought flash stopped at 10.x for GB and 11.x was for 4.x.x (ICS and up).
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Ha I still have a copy of win 95 running, I have a 1983 IBM laptop. Which was the first portabal laptop made that I use it on...
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Ha I still have a copy of win 95 I have a 1983 IBM laptop. Which was the first portabal laptop made...
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Damn Lol. 30 year old laptop. Its older than me!! Lol. I would just look at it and be like OK how do you use this darn thing. What is a command prompt?
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Damn Lol. 30 year old laptop. Its older than me!! Lol. I would just look at it and be like OK how do you use this darn thing. What is a command prompt?
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Its easy to use people still use it for programming..
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Its easy to use people still use it for programming..
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Lol dont worry, I updated my pc from windows xp to windows 7 just last year haha
Surprisingly it runs games very well even though it only has 2 GB ram and medium-low quality specs
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Challenge accepted! Lol Cupcake on the Evo. Wonder how that would run being that the Evo specs are well above what's needed. I'm assuming, if someone is actually able to get it to boot cupcake, that it would run about as well as running Windows 95 on one of today's typical PC specs.
In regards to the toolbox and apps. Would the flash 11.x work on GB as well? I thought flash stopped at 10.x for GB and 11.x was for 4.x.x (ICS and up).
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I think it does run on GB. When I flash a rom I flash this group of app along with it. It shows up in my apps when I boot up but I am not sure of the last time I used any flash on my phone. I usually use my pc for the Internet.
Op has some more info. I will be working on it more over the next few days. This will have apps, tweaks, and tricks. The apps are one part of the toolbox that will start showing up in our roms. They will also be included in a flashable zip for those who are not using our roms. The second part of the toolbox will be exclusive to our roms. It consists of modifications to the installer script that will put a copy of your recovery log into a folder on your sdcard. It will also do a md5sum of the rom you are installing and put that in the folder also.
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