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I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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I'm officially putting in a request for an EVO tablet. Since there were no major upgrades to the ipad, OK perhaps a few, let's go in for the kill.
I'm not impressed with the price point and no wifi only for xoom, HTC should go in for the kill
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You got it. i'll pass that along to HTC. i'm SURE they'll listen and jump on it straightaway.
Seriously though, the ipad is difficult to beat. they did actually make a major upgrade in the new A5 processor with dual core. they also thinned it out a bit, the rest is mediocre like you said.
HTC already announced it, it's called the HTC Flyer and it doesn't look all that good. Single core running a tablet like sense on top of 2.3.
Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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Here is the real concern... will honeycomb really be ready for primetime? All the videos I have seen of the xoom are choppy and crash quite a bit. I have yet to be blown away. However look at the stock evo. If it wasn't for cm7, I would be looking for something else. Why can't the manufacturers get it right. Perhaps they need some schooling form cyan?
Just saying.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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I give CM props but give them a bare device with no drivers and just AOSP and lets see them do better.
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Um .... Cm _is_ just AOSP...
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You just defined what Cyanogenmod is in your own post and discredited it at the same time.
Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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Obviously I know that CM uses AOSP. My point is that a lot of their work is dependent on the release of OEM source (drivers, etc). If they had to take AOSP and port Android to an entirely new device/hardware it'd be a different story. They add a lot of cool extra functionality but a lot of what they do is clean up existing code.
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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"a lot of their work" .... I don't think you understand what they do.
The _only_ thing they depend on the OEM source for is the kernel for the drivers because, obviously, they don't write the drivers. The rest of 2.3.3 that my EVO is running is compiled directly against the Google released source.
If they needed the OEM source how are they _ahead_ of every OEM out there right now in releases? No device they support has official GB yet. None.
Theres a reason you can only get GB on AOSP and no Sense based ROMs have it. They aren't waiting on HTC for anything beyond the drivers in the kernel ... which they got in November when they finally released the 004 camera drivers (unless a 005 surfaces).
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I was replying to the poster who said that OEMs should be consulted by CM. I'm just saying that OEMs have to get Android running on the hardware period, not to mention develop/design their overlays, which as much as I hate, are far more encompassing than the features/tweaks CM adds. Bottom line: they got much more to worry about than mostly just cleaning up. Not trying to discredit CM, just suggesting not to downplay the bigger role OEMs have in the process.
Thank you for the laugh of the day. VERRY WELL SAID?
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I've got the answer. The hardware is so similar between the vendors now, so google should set the standard (not the crappy half assed job they did before) and do an X-Prize type contest. Make one kick butt tablet and have the best minds compete. No skins, no bloatware, just a solid device. Sure they burn a lot of bridges with their vendors, but everyone would want it, and Google comes out ahead in the long run. Truly compete against apple with an open platform. The gPhone!
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Ipad 2 is already beat Check out the eee slate from asus. Amazing product.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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Wow you were not joking. Love Windows 7.
Now that's a tablet.
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It fills a niche. I personally have a hard time buying any of the "phone" tablets because if I'm on a computer 99% of the time I either have a IDE/Photoshop/Illustrator open. None of the current tablets will able to do what I need. But Windows 7 is not really fit for tablet - I used to have a Tablet PC running Windows 7 and you might as well just get a decent dual core Atom netbook (which I do have) because it's not worth it.
What I'm waiting for is Windows 8. It'll probably be very touch friendly in desktop mode and is suppose to have a secondary WP7/Metro-like shell which I assume will also be able to run mobile/tablet-like mini apps. Either use it like a iPad/Xoom/whatever or dock it to a keyboard and get real **** done. Best of both worlds and it'll probably work great with next gen Atoms or energy sipping multiple core ARM CPUs.
Can I just say that the guy bagging on CM7 is a douche? Can this be a "douche-bump" post?
That just happened!
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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CM is not for everyone. Saying cm is the only reason to be on these forums is retarded. Might ad well rename this site cm7-4-life.com.
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What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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That's great that you're a big fan of CM, but not everyone likes or uses their ROMs. AOSP is not for everyone, that's why I'm glad we have choices.
MIUI 1.2.25 with stock kernel
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babyschoof said:
What I don't understand is if you don't like the cm mod, why are you even on this forum. It might not be perfect, but even the nightlies are better than many finished products. There are also a good bunch of guys always willing to help out. I'm a big fan!
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are you talking to me? Because CM is just about the only ROM I use and the reason why I even got the EVO in the first place. I think you're completely missing my point.
Someone said that OEMs (like HTC, Samsung) should get consulted by the CM team. I said its not a fair comparison because:
A. Most of the time CM depends on OEM provided drivers to get CM running. That in itself can be a hard thing to implement from scratch on a new device. Android isn't like Windows where you can buy a license and Microsoft provides full support.
B. OEM skins like Sense and Touchwiz are much bigger projects than the tweaks/functions that CM adds.
I just thought that poster was undervaluing how much the OEM has to do, and that getting consulted by the CM team is probably not as valuable to them as he thinks.
If any team should do contracting/consulting, it should be the MIUI team. Their work is incredibly impressive and covers a far larger scope than CM. At least they do a consumer/user friendly job at modifying/skinning Android - the best on Android in fact, OEM skins/overlays included.
Anyway, you took this way too personally and over blown it (why?) way beyond what it is. I appreciate and use CM but am not disillusioned or completely uninformed by the reality of consumer development.
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Now this has been asked repeatedly (Just google touchwiz 4 ux) but have we made any progress-no. This thread is a call to ask if any people have heard about a port being assembled, i have by many devs, but there has been no known progress. If anyone knows how to port touchwiz or has started to port touchwiz, could that person please post here. If this post is mis-spoken or unnecessary please delete.
hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
The dev team is pretty good. What holds us back is the lack of sdk. Icecream should change that. Our devs get everything needed for rooters to upgrade withing a day or so of the release, that's not bad. Either way, look at any honeycomb tablet... there aren't many roms or kernels floating around there.
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hate to say this being that I love my xoom and after having played with UX I'd love to see it on my tablet but...
we have the wrong tablet atm, dev community is pretty dead. Only one kernel now and one rom.. saddest thing EVER.
There was one kid previously religiously defending the dev community for the xoom saying, why would we need more?!
This kid is clearly, CLEARLY an idiot.
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To make you feel better, roms for other devices are sometimes based on the xoom files from what I can tell and have bugs too.
I'm saving another $600 to buy one of the quad core tabs next year so I'm fine if development doesn't kick off. I thought we would have tons of stuff to flash considering the xoom is the first honeycomb device.
idk if people would like to start a donation to buy some more devs a xoom? We did this in the mt4g forums when the phone was still new to jump start development. I would gladly donate to jump start some more development.
The official update for the 10.1 update is released.
I want touchwiz so bad, it has honeycomb enhancements but heavily integrated into the OS.
Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
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Umm... does anyone not understand that nothing like CyanogenMod will be made possible on the Xoom without the Honeycomb source code? The dev teams are not dead... and development has not stopped! But, there is just nowhere else to go from here given the situation due to the lack of the HC SDK.
Duh, there is only one Rom! Currently without the source from HC, the only possible things we can have would be a slightly modified and themed stock Rom experience. The tweaks and tools we all know and love from our phone custom Roms will not be made available until we have the source! And honestly since there is no HC source, I think that porting over something like Touchwiz to the Xoom is also impossible due to the current limitations... meaning it's a part of the OS... no source, no port.
I'm guessing that people don't seem to understand anything about the following terms:
Root, Superuser, ROM, Kernel, ClockworkMod, SDK - I highly suggest that people should really learn these basic and essential terms if they are going to be rooted on any Android device. Learn what they mean, how to make use of them properly, and what makes them special. Then maybe, just maybe... we all might be able to be on the same page. If you don't understand root, chances are that you should probably not be rooted... stick to the factory stock.
I do think that this thread was more than unnecessary. We have established the fact that without the Honeycomb source, nothing major will hit the dev scene as far as entire custom Roms with full tweaks, porting OS's, and such. We established this not long after the Xoom was launched in February. Google announced that they will be holding onto the HC source until further notice. It's been way old news for that long... wow! Why these types of threads keep poping up is puzzling... or maybe alarming... not sure which one.
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We all know that but it isn't preventing touch wiz from being ported to other honeycomb tablets without the source you say.
Nor do we have "Added PS3 support & alot USB HID devices", I would give anything for my PS3 to see the xoom.
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diablo2224: So you are saying that only Xoom HC source code is missing?
Touchwiz UX has been ported to Iconia A500 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143368) so i don't think that missing HC source code is the problem.
EDIT: A quick search showed that it has been ported to Transformer also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz-51qUH90
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And this is exactly what I'm talking about... other tabs are way better off.. I came from an Iconia thinking it would be better to be on a Xoom...
Who cares if those ROMs have some bugs.. our roms have bugs too... and all of them get resolved in time.. but when other tablets have way more going for them than the official dev tab, it makes you wonder why this dev community is dead.
The OP is saying that the Xoom is dead and that it has nothing to live for. He also is hinting that the dev teams suck and are not doing anything for the Xoom. Well, to make any progress above and beyond a stock Rom experience you MUST have the source! How can you say the dev teams are dead? They most certainly are not! Again, yes there is only one Rom for a reason... how much more can you possibly do to a stock Rom? Thus, you only need one great team in charge of that. Team Tiamat. That's all you need.
Maybe it can be possible to port TouchWiz over to the Xoom, but listen to this:
The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
But, honestly here are your options:
Get a Galaxy 10.1 and quit your complaining, or wait for the source to be released when ICS launches. Then you can wait for the dev teams to create some awesome entire complete custom Roms that will probably have custom TouchWiz Roms ported over to all ICS devices. Until then, use the Team Tiamat Rom and theme it up with the TouchWiz theme like I have done with my Xoom. It can be found here: [Theme]TouchWiz for Tiamat 2.1
I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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Agreed!
By removing them we can make way for the dev teams to cook up a wonderful list of alternatives with all the tweaks that we desire. The full Google experience is the way to go! With this you can pick and choose what type of setup you want because it is stock vanilla.
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I am kind of the opposite. Every Android I have owned I couldn't wait for the Devs to strip Sense, Motoblur, etc.
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It is pretty funny, 75% of the people that have bloat don't want it. 75% of the people that can't have it want it. I love stock android. I love having a ton of free resources when i start my device. I love having no bloat.
Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he released 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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Tiamat and his team are due much respect. After all he release 3.2 for the 3g way ahead of Moto to count just some of what he has done. All with out "source".
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That is impressive that they were able to do this without the HC source. I'm not sure what they did, but it was awesome! It was something that was possible without the source obviously, but some things are not possible without it. Team Tiamat is the boss. The OP must not have a brain to say that the dev teams are stupid and are not making any progress on Honeycomb and the Xoom.
Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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Diablo has a point though as the transformer has an open source code
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Thank you!
I'm not trying to be mean or anything, it's just hard to explain certain things, and I wish that some things were easy to explain so that we all know about it. Sorry if I came off a little harsh before. I'm a nice helpful guy who tries to explain things in full detail to get the point across. Hope you understand.
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The Xoom is meant to be a Google stock experience! If you want this so badly, please go buy a Galaxy Tab and use that. I have no problem with TouchWiz. I love all Android devices. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is tight, and TouchWiz is also tight. I just prefer the Xoom over the other Honeycomb tablets because the devs cook up some awesome stuff since it's the official developers tablet of choice. Plus, I enjoy a full Google experience.
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I agree but you shouldnt tell people if they want touchwiz to basically jump ship. like for me half of the fun with android is flashing new roms. like on my phone i have a new rom every few days. and sure i would love to try out touchwiz on my xoom but i still love my xoom and wouldnt switch for a galaxy tab
Can i touch your wiz
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Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Well not completely but compared to the other tablets Dev sections it does seem quite dormant. Just look at the Transformer or the Acer Inconia. There hasn't been much activity here besides a few mods but not any full releases.
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Mmm... this topic has been brought up so so so many times...
It's hard to do anything when Google is keeping the Honeycomb source locked up. As far as I know the other Honeycomb tablets have been modified by the manufacturing company to alter certain parts of the Android OS and such, thus allowing for a bit more flexibility when it comes to development.
As far as the Xoom goes, it's the only official pure stock vanilla Google experience tablet, and Google is keeping it locked down without further notice. It's assumed that they will be ready to fully release the source for everything when Ice Cream Sandwich launches in the near future.
If the devs could use magic, they would. Until then... we must wait for ICS. The Xoom is Google's baby, as it was the first of it's kind to start the dawn of the Honeycomb era. When they are good and ready, the development scene for the Xoom will skyrocket in short notice. Trust me.
Also, the only other thing the developers can try besides just tweaking stuff is port the Galaxy Tab 10.1's Touch Wiz Rom to the Xoom. But it's a step back as it's only Android 3.1 while we are already on 3.2.
Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha I agree.
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
I'm a flashaholic. Good thing I have my thunderbolt or I would go into withdrawls.
Xoom Xoom
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Also the other devices are incorporating Xoom or Galaxy bits and catching up. This is the problem with the device officially having the newest OS out there. The will be a day when the Xooms' longevity will be evident.
As for now we have the latest and greatest already. It is hard for us flashoholics but there's a reason so much is going on with the Asus and Acer. They needed help hence the Xoom and Galaxy ports. Its lonely at the top. By the way we have Tiamat which in my opinion is the gold standard.
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+1 Very well said.
Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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Ok I only see one issue. Has anyone tested a usb burner? What else is there that we can't already do?
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Fully sourced custom Roms. That's what everybody is looking for. With that you would have new features, tweaks, and abilities that a stock Rom would never give you in a million years. Tiamat is the gold standard and the other devices wish they had them on their side. The team is just amazing to have created a modified stock Rom experience that works better than default stock. And when they are able to create fully customized fully sourced custom Roms... a loss for words...
Don't feel to bad because the other devices roms are usually referenced to our stock roms.
Yep i love Hammerhead!!!
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Someone should get a job at Google and leak the Honeycomb source and then quit. That would be epic.
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Awesome! How they don't realize from the past with Android custom devs how much further android could be catapulted past the competition I just don't know.
I also don't get how people are so quick to hop on the latest updates when, even without the source being released, previous versions customers by devs blow away whatever little appetizers Google farts out to us.
Anyhow, I gotta say the Xoom has come an awful long way considering the SC hasn't even been released.
Devs are friggin awesome!
Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump tenfold.
/facepalm
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may be we should all chip in n collect some money, get a hold of the guy who hacked into psn, n later even sony's main servers, n pursue hm to hack into google n get us what we need...n knowing anything about this guy, i bet he'd even do it for free...just for kicks...
"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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It's just a general statement, not literally meaning every single person. It's just something one says, and it's not meant to be taken literally as an individual. But ok: "A lot" of people are looking forward to the fully sourced, and full customization from a true custom Rom. And generally speaking... the first thing the average root user thinks of are the custom Roms when they hear the term "source code". Ultimately that's what it would mean when the source code is released. The devs will then have the proper tools to start developing new custom Roms. They will then begin to flood the market in due time with new and unique Roms, as was the same with the OG Droid.
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Imagine if the source was out. Xoom sales would jump by ten.
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There- FTFY.
You can only milk the same cow so many times, until more cows come along this rom release is milked out.
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"That's what everybody is looking for."
And you know that how? I'm one of those "everybody" and I'm not looking for that. I'm looking for someone to take over Ubuntu-development. Even Asus EEE, Acer Iconia and Samsung Galaxy Tab have Ubuntu-ROMS, but we have some crap-ass VNC-Ubuntu. If they can do it (especially considering the Asus EEE and Acer Iconia have the same Tegra 2), then it should be possible for us too. That is what I'm looking for, so don't talk for everybody please.
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Well I'm sure it's a valid point for you, but being a casual Android user who roots, having an Ubuntu based rom makes no sense to me. I admit I don't even know what an Ubuntu rom is for. Is it something like porting Windows OS into the tablet? If so, I doubt many users care for something like this since rom development to them is more about tweaking, optimizing, themeing and adding functions to an Android based rom. Porting other OSes is a lot more niche and caters to a smaller group of users.
So since the Honeycomb source is indefinitely locked up by Google, themed and overclocked Honeycomb is as good as we can get for now. The next best thing to wait for is Samsung to update the Galaxy Tab 10.1 to Honeycomb 3.2 and we'll probably get Touch Wiz ported over.
I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
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I also own an A500 and a HTC EVO 4G. Although I do understand a bit where you're coming from, I think it's mostly a difference between a phone and a tablet forum.
I also think it's a difference in quantity versus quality. We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works. For most EVO ROM announcement threads, I just disregard them after reading the OP and seeing that 4G doesn't work, GPS has problems, MMS has problems, landscape Rosie doesn't work, etc. Plus quite a few of those EVO "ROMs" are just tweaked versions of earlier released ROMs that are heavily themed.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
Although I almost immediately wanted to root/ROM my EVO 4G, I was perfectly happy with stock root on my A500, and that's basically what I'm running now. I flashed ezterry's 3.2.1 ROM, tweaked it a little myself, threw ADW Launcher EX at it with a nice theme, and I'm a happy camper patiently waiting for Acer to release ICS.
There is a big difference between phone ownership and tablet ownership. I would have to guess its something like 10,000 android phone owners to every 1 android tablet owner. And the Evo 4g was the flagship of Android phone for a long time. I too owned the Evo 4g and my wife still has one. I moved on to the Evo 3d and love it. I agree, it would be nice to see some excitement in these forums but when I use my tablet I want it to work and work right. I switched back to a rooted stock rom because almost all of the roms I found were really just themes and had removed apps that I like. The roms that are highly customized like thors or flexstriker always have glitches or changed to much. I'll run stock until ICS drops and then I hope some more exciting developing will be going on. My work just purchased me an Ipad 2 and I have played with it for a few days now. I'll have to say, the Ipad will be used for work, but when I want to play I'll be reaching for my A500.
You know what I hated about all the roms for the evo, it was all the badly themed roms with the same tweaks.
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internetpilot said:
We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
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Exactly. Lately, we've had a new kernel released, along with a new recovery by Dres. And a couple of the newer released roms (3.2.1) @Civato and myself and a couple of others. So I wouldn't say that development has ceased. I would say, that Dev's and Modders have pushed HC about as far as it can go.
And yes, some people like to use the forum for their own battle ground. They know who they are. This isn't a backwoods chat room, but some people just like to start scandals.
But I am sure most people appreciate the work that is done. If you want to know how much work is put into things, get a stock rom, and try doing it.
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I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.
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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.
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maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel
KeePeeR26 said:
maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel
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Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.
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Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.
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As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.
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As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.
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That and if windows tablets that still have a Intel CPUs, that steam store will be a hard app store to beat
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On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....
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On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....
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This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.
No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
HTC Desire
ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
JustAnotherDrOidUser said:
No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
HTC Desire
ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
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This is all very true thank you for an awesome reply
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Moscow Desire said:
Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.
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No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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1. The tools aren't all open. They simply aren't. Remember the thor fiasco?
2. No one cares if you're a blonde from Kentucky. Posting about waiting & hoping will do nothing for anyone.
adambomb_13 said:
No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.
apapousek said:
If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.
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Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.
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Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.
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True, but if you are going to make a thread titled "development for my tablet sucks", you should be ready to ****ing drop some command line ninja skills.
It seems like the op was meaning to say "development seems to have stalled", but inflammatory language is inflammatory...
(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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Heh. Mind if I join you? Got a bottle of vodka and I'm bored out of my skull, getting drunk sounds like a rather good idea!
I've decided, that since I hate gingerbread, and evervolv is not my cup o tea, that its time I make a contribution. I would love some feedback on a good, or at least mildly decent Jellybean ROM that I could either port or attempt to compile. I might even take a crack at Sense 4 or 5 maybe, or at least attempt a better job than what's been done(not to put down anyones work, no matter how halfassed). I'm not crazy about unresolved issues. So maybe sense isn't a great place to start. Either way, please let me know what you people would like to see.
Also, I don't care what may have already been posted here in the development threads, they are all either deleted, abandoned, or old versions of android. I want Jellybean. Let me know what you want thanks.
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I've decided, that since I hate gingerbread, and evervolv is not my cup o tea, that its time I make a contribution. I would love some feedback on a good, or at least mildly decent Jellybean ROM that I could either port or attempt to compile. I might even take a crack at Sense 4 or 5 maybe, or at least attempt a better job than what's been done(not to put down anyones work, no matter how halfassed). I'm not crazy about unresolved issues. So maybe sense isn't a great place to start. Either way, please let me know what you people would like to see.
Also, I don't care what may have already been posted here in the development threads, they are all either deleted, abandoned, or old versions of android. I want Jellybean. Let me know what you want thanks.
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There are some people who strongly disagree with this and hate that people are making JB for this device, but I'm not one of them. Two great people to contact are Jlmancuso and Wambo_Bomb. Check out android.aokforums.com, where most JB action goes on nowadays. I am also trying to do a little AOKP based project for this device and a couple others. I have no preference, I think that you should build something that you would use, that way it will keep you motivated. That's about all I have to say. I want JB, and I personally want to build it, but the more the merrier. You could try ChameleonOS (it's a major pain in the neck, I've already tried) or maybe do RootBox
I'm seriously not even going to waste my time on this device. I just got the S4 with a contract so I'll be using this Evo as a failsafe. Besides, only one person expressed interest. Consider this forum dead.
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I'm seriously not even going to waste my time on this device. I just got the S4 with a contract so I'll be using this Evo as a failsafe. Besides, only one person expressed interest. Consider this forum dead.
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Now that you are not on the Evo section, we should consider this forum dead?
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