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I heard cyanogen is not going to be working on a rom for the fascinate...is this true?
Anyone supporting the fascinate or is it a dead issue now. Hope not.
martyotaku said:
I heard cyanogen is not going to be working on a rom for the fascinate...is this true?
Anyone supporting the fascinate or is it a dead issue now. Hope not.
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Thats because someone needs to step up to start working on CM for the fascinate just because its out doesn't mean that they will make a rom for it.Noobnl over in the Epic forums took the reins and is working on CM for the Epic.
Koush tweeted a while back that he will be porting CM for the Fascinate.
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Koush tweeted a while back that he will be porting CM for the Fascinate.
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Porting seems to either A) render the port useless with the Fascinate or B) takes an extremely long amount of time because of A.
Hopefully something will come soon.
Hopefully we will see some clean and Google filled ROMS soon. I for one would gladly donate to the cause. The fascinate is a great device hardware wise and could really use the help of Cyanogen or Bugless Beast. If anybody has any insight on the matter could you post it here or start a new thread? It was my assumption that they were waiting on an opportunity to develop for 2.2 i/o dealing with 2.1 because of the kernel situation. I am a noob so correct me if I'm wrong here...
For starters Cyanogen himself does not support any device he himself doesn't own. Secondly CyanogenMOD is a rather large Dev team and many of those devs port CyanogenMOD to their devices, also its hard to get CyanogenMOD support for the Fascinate if the CM team doesn't have one or two to work with. You could try making a donation to the CM team specifically for a Fascinate so they can start development. Also as stated before Koushik Dukutta will be porting CM6 once we get a 2.2 kernel source. So as usual just be patient, everything takes time remember how long before the Droid got CM? Development is coming along so we must be patient if we ourselves can't help development move along swimmingly, like myself so I just donate to help the Devs out.
Holding out doing anything with my Fascinate until CyanogenMod comes out for it. How will CyanogenMod work with voodoo?
It will most likely use an EXT4 partition by default so there will be no need for Voodoo. Their forum has a Galaxy S FAQ as it applies to CyanogenMod.
As was already stated, the Vibrant is first. They believe porting to the other Galaxy S variants will be quick after that. We can only hope, donate, and wait.
Let's hope somebody with the required skills and a Fascinate joins the dev team.
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I am debating on giving up my beloved Droid Inc today to a new employee and taking over the Fascinate that I ordered for them... Looking forward to CM for sure, here's hoping that Koush or someone similar will take up the Fascinate builds of CM...
I am assuming all of this will be hinging on a good kernel source for froyo hitting.
choices choices...
I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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Ok guys. AOSP roms are being worked on, but to be honest, there are only 2 people really working on development on this phone right now. There are some more devs that are learning the system and such and trying to get things working, but it will take some time.
CyanogenMod wasnt on the droid 1 for around 5 months, and at the time it was Koush just doing experimental ports. We will get AOSP on this phone, just be patient. We had a huge hang up on the kernel source, but now that we have that all sorted out, and birdman is joining in on the development, we should have it soon
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I think im going to return my fascinate. I had hoped there would be solid support for this phone but it doesnt seem so. Koush tweeted a SUPRISE but never said exactly what he was working on.
Its a shame because hardware wise this is the best android phone right now.
Hate to say it....but i might go wm7
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If you're that stupid then please go ahead, so we don't have to listen to your *****ing on this board anymore. I get so sick and tired of people complaining about lack of support and how long everything is taking. Seriously people, have some patience. the phone has barely been out a month and already we have Root, Clockworkmod Recovery, Custom Theme's, AOSP apps, and an awesome Voodoo Lagfix. And all of that is on top of Samsung releasing source code that didn't work. Our amazing dev team was able to overcome that and more that almost no one on this forum is even aware of. Instead of donating time and money to encourage these guys, you waste time complaining about what you don't have. Just get your WP7 phone and take your impatience over to their forum.
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If you're that stupid then please go ahead, so we don't have to listen to your *****ing on this board anymore. I get so sick and tired of people complaining about lack of support and how long everything is taking. Seriously people, have some patience. the phone has barely been out a month and already we have Root, Clockworkmod Recovery, Custom Theme's, AOSP apps, and an awesome Voodoo Lagfix. And all of that is on top of Samsung releasing source code that didn't work. Our amazing dev team was able to overcome that and more that almost no one on this forum is even aware of. Instead of donating time and money to encourage these guys, you waste time complaining about what you don't have. Just get your WP7 phone and take your impatience over to their forum.
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I agree... heck on the Inc we didn't have root for months and months... You guys are way ahead of where the Inc was at the same time frame. Patience is key... it really seems like this phone is going to rock. I'm really torn on giving my Dinc over to a co worker and taking the new fascinate due to the development, but I know its coming.
as someone who trolls for info, doesn't contribute/dev (referring to myself), I agree. from what I've been reading, sounds like only a few are contributing with lots of folks benefitting. There's no way anyone should be complaining.
BTW, thanks to all for the work you've done and are doing. right now my contribution (at this point) is to read the info and if I have questions, read some more to find the answers. 99% of the time the question/problem has already been addressed...just takes a "little" effort to find it!
Look at the huge fanbase for CM from original Droid owners- Cyanogen had little or nothing to do with that. It was all Koush.
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Easy Assh#le. I didnt complain call anyone names BUT YOU NOW.
All i said was i might switch to wm7 and you go crazy. 99% of the people contribute nothing. Neither do you!! Were having a conversation! You dont like it leave bitc%!!!
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Im quite sure if you go back over koushs tweets, or look in the CM forum it states he will do a port soon as the offical 2.2 is released. As always..he works from base, clean files. So I am willing to bet we see something after the infamous 2.2 comes around.
Koush has specifically said that he is waiting for Froyo to be released on the Galaxy S/Fascinate before even starting to port. Official Froyo. He needs the drivers, Kernel source, etc.
It's not like you can just make an AOSP ROM based on 2.2 out of thin air. You need the right tools.
If you're all that motivated, start coding. Otherwise, be patient. Incessant whining isn't going to make a dev who does this in his/her free time work any harder. If anything, it might turn them off.
If you look at the git repository you'll see that there hasn't been development on éclaire in months (since July). All development is being done on the Froyo branch.
Don't expect CyanogenMod until we get Froyo.
BTW, instead of being so impatient and making threads here, read through their info on the CM website. It has a wealth of information. If you want to see who's working on what then look at the git commits.
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Hey guys,
I'm feeling rather enterprising at the moment. The question is, what would it take to get a clean/stock/aosp version of Gingerbread up and running for the Verizon Fascinate? Could an XPrize style reward work? If so how much would it need to be? $1000? less? A LOT MORE? Thoughts? PLEASE ANYBODY, THOUGHTS? I need replys from devs and non-devs... If there is enough interest we could easily setup a prize fund and have it auto-refund people if the prize was not attained within a given time frame...anybody?
/Andrew
UPDATE 1: I'm totally gonna set this up! See my latest post (pg.4) for more details and new questions.
UPDATE 2:
(1) Money is the strongest motivating force that we can use.
(2) Refunds will be available should you change your mind about supporting the XPRIZE.
(3) Waiting for an official release is futile. They are MONTHS behind on a Froyo release, and we will all likely have new phones with HoneyComb before we get gingerbread through official channels.
(4) The CDMA radio is understandable the biggest obstacle, money should at least get people to work more aggressively to fix this or pursue a leak.
(5) beg, borrow, steal, i want a true google experience with the ability to RULE THE AIR, on verizon.
"Can you hear me now?"
come on guys, i can tell this is getting a few views, just add a quick reply and say, that you think this a good or bad idea...please
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
i can understand the nexus S appeal, but i imagine there are many people who wouldn't want to leave Verizon. In fact i ditched my iphone not only because Steve Jobs is a prick, but more importantly because Verizon has a much better network...
trojjanhorse said:
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
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dboss713 said:
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
+1
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
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i agree with this
Would gladly donate a few bucks for that sweet Gingerbread..
It's a nice idea but I don't think it'll go. We don't even have a working port of 2.2 yet, nor AOSP of 2.2 running on this device... Would I like to see some gingerbread goodness? Why heck yes, but do I think it's possible...? Nope. Best just to wait for OTA release and modify it I say...
...Yes I know with samsungs history we wont see that until android 5.1 but that's besides the point!
I would gladly donate sounds like a good idea if we can make it happen
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Good idea sure
Although I have not done any really really heavy dev work for the platform, I think this is more a question on feasibility. Would I kick in for it sure, breaking totally free of the VZW\Samsung cycle would be great. However without some support or "leaks" making everything work would be a monumental task. At least if I understand the methodology.
i'd give at least $30 towards this..
I'm not going to say its not possible....but more like its not probable. It might get some money hungry devs on the fascinate though (ultimatedroid), so it cant be too bad. Well talk is cheap as they say.... So start the xPrize and see what happens...the worse thing that could happen is probably nothing gets done.
And i apologize right now in advance.... but this doesnt belong in this forum.... lol... i had to. im sorry.
Being a dev, I have to say its more trouble than its worth.
First we'd have to hack up at LEAST the .32 kernel and get froyo running. Without the froyo kernel source, its more of a pain than anything. Getting the system running to be compatible is no where near as hard as Getting the kernel.. That's something different.
I don't know what would be involved in making something like this happen, but I'd throw $50 at it.
Considering we don't have a fully working build of AOSP 2.1, I can't see this happening. Maybe if there is better source released for 2.2 when it gets here it will be easier, but I feel like if that happens, then devs would work on it anyway.
I don't think people realize that we've had aosp froyo all along. What we don't have is our driver specific kernel. We'll have gingerbread the day it becomes available but that doesn't mean anything as we won't have kernel again at the release.
@op you want us build up from the ground like we did with milestone? NONE of us will go through that hell again ever. $1000? haha that amount is nothing considering what we would put in if we were to build it up from the ground again.
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i have seen a prize work
a little history
my first smart phone was the VZ 6900 aka the HTC vogue
a windows mobile 6 phone that never had an "official" Rom or Kernel for android and yet the dev were able to not only build a fully working android 2.2 including getting all drivers to work, and as we speak those same vogue dev are now working on 2.3 builds, mind you i am not a dev and but i know this took a lot of work but a prize is what got the team moving and i would give $20 or more if we could get this going
So among poll responders most non-dev USERS would be willing to contribute some money towards this. Good news, but with only two responders claiming to be developers it's hard to say whether we could really get the interest of developers...perhaps i should PM some people? who are the big shot developers in these parts?
which rom will win the rom war?
Ill wait till acs tackles official gingerbread... should be fantastic given their work. Keep in mind I'm coming from the moment
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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*a challenger appears*
Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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No phone is too hard to work on.
Some "developers" (I use that term very loosely) are just too lazy to accomplish things.
Apples/Oranges
SRF 1.2 is highly customized/optimized, GB is stock.
The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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it's supposed to cure 'gyne-syphi-herpe-l-aids'... (say it real fast.. it's almost all STDs LOL)..
actually, it's closest thing to a very customizable AOSP experience that can be had.
I also don't buy the whole 'too hard to work on' thing.. I just think there's not enough interest in developing or porting it to our device.. just my opinion.. there's plenty of demand, just not enough development interest. (or development collaboration ??.. i'm out of the loop, so i'm unsure)
The Root said:
I don't get all the butthurt about cyanigenmod. Is it that we don't have it or does it really cure cancer, aids and hunger all at once like everyone implies? Frankly, I don't sniff up trees where I'm not wanted, which is the message I've always gotten from that team. The whole, "Your phone is too hard to work on." excuse always seemed lame.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
im still feelin srf 1.2, cant wait for 1.3, thdy could get the best of both worlds would be great
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Cyanogenmod > all other roms.
Nothing beats AOSP.
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Cyanogenmod is better than all roms??
Please send me the link to their previous works for the Epi...........oh wait.......haaaaa you almost had me!
A friendly jest
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Srf is my favorite, But I haven't used eg22 yet. I was spoiled when I first rooted my phone by acs/srf by konane and a very responsive impaler. I don't feel as much love over there but its still the best rom for the epic. That being said I ready to try eg22.
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I missed the butt hurt in my post Also I can tell you have never had a phone that has had CM. So you wouldn't know why it is such an awesome thing.
I haven't ever heard one of the CM-Epic devs mention anything about this phone being too hard to get things working with. Only that the minimal source from samsung makes things difficult.
Also you do realize that one of the forum moderators is on that team and does contribute regularly in the dev forum right? I think you have just been very mis-informed about things.
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I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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Eg22 ftw
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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Pretty much exactly how I feel about it as well. Just know its not the popular opinion 'round these parts.
OK, I dont understand the CM hype either, and no, havent used it, ill gladly try it if someone feels like doing it, but I dont think it was in the contract with our phone. I have seen multiple threads of various groups or individuals working on it, a version thrown in the trash (or just forgotten) because it didnt follow the CM guidelines or whatever (these are custom roms, right?)... regardless, most people who have recently worked on it have been waiting for whatever is a final source... froyo and GB are too close together to make it worth the time and effort to build something like that for the notorious level of appreciation for Epic Dev in general... maybe those who still give a crap at this point will do it when theres source and it can be done 'right'... but isnt the first rule of CM is to never talk about CM??? Maybe Devs have been annoyed off the project. I know I wouldnt want the entitled CM fanatics up on my nuts every five minutes... and this is not directed at those posting in favor of it, just overall interest in it since launch of this device. Or maybe the oh so amazingness of every device being the same should remain apples thing.... idunno... one rom to rule them all? Boring. MIUI?
But on topic, apples and oranges, all roms ymmv... kinda silly thread, but im glad the thought police have left the Epic building.
As mentioned, you're comparing a customized Syndicate rom to a stock Gingerbread rom. With different base structures. They can't be compared, although for your purposes I'd likely stick with Syndicate until they or others gain access to official source and pimp out their own Gingerbread.
As far as CyanogenMod, it was half-ported to the Epic some time ago.
Things that do NOT work :
GPS (Hm, I use my GPS a fair amount)
Camera (Well that's inconvenient, this is my most used camera)
Multimedia Messaging (How am I supposed to send all those pictures I can't take?)
Bluetooth In-Call (In an increasing amount of states, this is the only legal way to talk and drive)
WiMax 4G (I ACTUALLY work in a city where I get 4G)
The developers of CM7 have basically stated that they're too lazy to put any effort into this device until 2.3 officially drops. We'll see if they don't say the same things when that actually happens... But they're free people welcome to develop on whatever they want. The point is, there is no CM that compares with anything the Epic's dedicated developers have released.
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Dont the touchpro2 have aosp? Even though its not even an androi device
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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The Root said:
I see people getting upset about EVO source for Gingerbread not being out. There's retweets about open source violations, but yet it was figured out enough to get a successful port. Dev interest is low and I have a right to be annoyed about that. I'm glad a mod is contributing to the project. Trying to rub that in my face for some reason doesn't make them more successful at accomplishing the task. As a mod, has the person drummed up more interest from devs to work on it? One would think that they have it in their power as a mod.
I think SRF is a great Rom and puts a serious challenge to Cyanogenmod in so much as our ACS devs support/work on it to a functional level despite having lost major chefs in the recent past. It also provides a pretty stripped down, fast programming to it. Marcusant has also hinted that it has some pure AOSP in it.
I know source is a problem, but we've heard of them writing from the ground up for others. Our partition can't be so amazingly complex that the right minds couldn't do it. Is it pride that they don't get other mods in on it? Are other devs not interested? If so, these are valid reasons, but all I've ever heard is it's too hard and cannot be done.
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These people are upset that the source isn't out. They had source from the froyo and eclair builds for their phone along with pretty decently documented RIL patches. None of the samsung phones have well documented RIL patches (well I guess the actual SGS does now)
The EpicCM team has stated that anyone can join the effort. I guess most of the devs in this forum are just ROM cooks though and don't know anything about actual coding. (getting my trollface and flamesuit on for that one)
I think they are really apples to oranges on all sides. SFR is a decent rom (well 1.1.1 is.) And fairly stable, but it still has samsung crap in it throughout all the frameworks etc. I came from a device that never had any bloatware stuff like touchwiz or sense. I think both are junk and get in my way more than help me.
SFR is a nice attempt at getting rid of a good portion of that, but still nowhere near an AOSP or CM build.
Also on that note CM is an actual build. Everything is compiled against the phone libs and not just modified and baked back into the rom. Not exactly a solid comparison, but I felt like trolling this thread a bit. I don't think SFR and stock Gingerbread is a good comparison either for similar reasons.
Other phones didn't have things written from the ground up. Certain files were kanged or already documented. HTC phones were already well documented in actual Android source with the G1. So the RIL was already in place with just minor changes needed. You are very mistaken in this. Infact if you look in the actual source code http://android.git.kernel.org/ you can see the script that is used to kang the files even.
It really has nothing to do with the partitions either. That was easy stuff. Obviously since CM6 and CM7 have both been able to boot. Again it has been the RIL stuff that has been the main obstacle in all of this from what I can tell in the github and following the actual development.
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No. Rhodium phones have a sorta-kinda Android experience that is laggy, crashy, and barely supports the hardware. It's behind even the most experimental of CM builds for Epic, and a pain to get up and running compared to our ability to flash.
It's one of those projects that saw virtually zero progress for over a year, but anyone who called it dead was pounced on by supporters. Weird phenomenon, really. Nobody's ever allowed to call a corpse a corpse.
I've toyed with CM before on other handsets. It's a quality build, but it's definitely overrated. It's not 'the closest thing to pure Android'. Not by a long shot, though its supporters often say stuff like that. It also doesn't always fully support the hardware it gets put on, but does often enough to give it its reputation.
The most important thing to remember is that EVERY ROM will have fans insisting it's the most buttery smooth, quick as a whip Android experience they've ever encountered. So just because it's said about CM doesn't mean it's anything more than the unconditional love of fanboys.
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Can I ask you how you see it as overrated?
It is pretty close to AOSP. It pulls down AOSP code and gets modified a bit from there. Reality is it doesn't drift far from the AOSP code. The changes made are usually additional APK's. I would have to disagree with you on that one. If it doesn't full support the hardware it was on then it wasn't a stable build of CM. CM on my roommates Evo runs phenomenally and all of the hardware works well. The CM implementation of WiMAX is actually faster than HTC's.
You are right. Every ROM will have fans insisting it is the best. But I actually KNOW CM is the best /fanboy style posting
woooo... deep stuff, i see everybody's point
Here
I'm hoping his "Rockstar" status may bleed over and he will be able to maybe help influence in some way the build quality. I know the software will for sure improve. IMO
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Good for him.
We'll see if it ruins CM.
Seems like a positive to me. I like my OEMs to be stocked with employees of a true open-source mind set. I've got zero worries about CM. Like someone pointed out elsewhere, it's not like he doesn't already have a dayjob now. He ain't maintaing CM7 for a living. And even if he were to quit entirely tomorrow CM would still roll along just the same. There's too many maintainers and devices now for it to be stopped.
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Seems like a positive to me. I like my OEMs to be stocked with employees of a true open-source mind set. I've got zero worries about CM. Like someone pointed out elsewhere, it's not like he doesn't already have a dayjob now. He ain't maintaing CM7 for a living. And even if he were to quit entirely tomorrow CM would still roll along just the same. There's too many maintainers and devices now for it to be stopped.
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+1 He started the ball rolling now it has momentum of it's own.Besides he'll always be there to help.
Seems like CM has slowed down a lot more without him around as much
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Hitting the thanks button is soo much easier then typing thanks!
Cm has enough community support to keep moving. I think it's a good thing.
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+1 for cyanogen. I think its awesome the samsung brought him on there team. It will make my next phone choice that much harder. Even though i like sense based roms better i would be very interested in seeing a samsung running CM like rom out the box
I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
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I also own an A500 and a HTC EVO 4G. Although I do understand a bit where you're coming from, I think it's mostly a difference between a phone and a tablet forum.
I also think it's a difference in quantity versus quality. We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works. For most EVO ROM announcement threads, I just disregard them after reading the OP and seeing that 4G doesn't work, GPS has problems, MMS has problems, landscape Rosie doesn't work, etc. Plus quite a few of those EVO "ROMs" are just tweaked versions of earlier released ROMs that are heavily themed.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
Although I almost immediately wanted to root/ROM my EVO 4G, I was perfectly happy with stock root on my A500, and that's basically what I'm running now. I flashed ezterry's 3.2.1 ROM, tweaked it a little myself, threw ADW Launcher EX at it with a nice theme, and I'm a happy camper patiently waiting for Acer to release ICS.
There is a big difference between phone ownership and tablet ownership. I would have to guess its something like 10,000 android phone owners to every 1 android tablet owner. And the Evo 4g was the flagship of Android phone for a long time. I too owned the Evo 4g and my wife still has one. I moved on to the Evo 3d and love it. I agree, it would be nice to see some excitement in these forums but when I use my tablet I want it to work and work right. I switched back to a rooted stock rom because almost all of the roms I found were really just themes and had removed apps that I like. The roms that are highly customized like thors or flexstriker always have glitches or changed to much. I'll run stock until ICS drops and then I hope some more exciting developing will be going on. My work just purchased me an Ipad 2 and I have played with it for a few days now. I'll have to say, the Ipad will be used for work, but when I want to play I'll be reaching for my A500.
You know what I hated about all the roms for the evo, it was all the badly themed roms with the same tweaks.
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internetpilot said:
We have some very nice, stable ROMs for the A500 where everything works.
Also, I think the A500 community here on XDA is a little guilty of running off quite a few of our devs by being ungrateful, overly demanding, etc. Compound that with some devs having a little bit of an attitude, and I think we're lucky to have the devs that we still do.
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Exactly. Lately, we've had a new kernel released, along with a new recovery by Dres. And a couple of the newer released roms (3.2.1) @Civato and myself and a couple of others. So I wouldn't say that development has ceased. I would say, that Dev's and Modders have pushed HC about as far as it can go.
And yes, some people like to use the forum for their own battle ground. They know who they are. This isn't a backwoods chat room, but some people just like to start scandals.
But I am sure most people appreciate the work that is done. If you want to know how much work is put into things, get a stock rom, and try doing it.
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I'm just sayin..... I'm not trying to start anything its just that every time I come on to XDA theres never really a new topic for the Acer A50-
I have an EVO 4g and theres always new topics and development and I have had other HTC phones and been here for a frew years now
With no bootloader access (except for It's Magic), No drivers, and slow support from manufacture and otherwise.
I have a feeling that this tablet is out to lunch and soon out to pasture.
What do you think?
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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.
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It's easy to complain and say that there's nothing going on when you're not even giving any suggestions. I mean, more-or-less all the interesting things have already been tried and done, and the next thing to do would be to fundamentally alter how Honeycomb works. And that is simply a very big task to undertake.
Of course we could also go the same route as people like to go on other devices, ie. release a gazillion different ROMs where the only difference is in theming and color scheme. But that isn't development.
So go ahead and make some suggestions or wishes about what you'd want to see. Also keep in mind that HC is HC and many of us are satisfied with it as it is. Like e.g. I really have only one or two things to improve on that would even be possible with HC, everything else I want would require a whole new OS altogether. And as that ain't possible I really have no reason to develop for A500 at all, I simply don't view releasing yet another HC ROM that fixes the two minor nibbles I have with it as being worth my (or anyone else's) time.
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maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel
KeePeeR26 said:
maybe we just need to forget that f**ing HC maybe we need to look at the future HC for me is a waste of time and resources i just saying we could do better :angel
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Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.
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Well, if you're referring to ICS then I have to say that even ICS doesn't address the fundamental issues I have with the whole Android platform. Of course it is a step up from HC, I'm not denying that, but even ICS is plenty rough around the corners and patched up with Mickey Mouse - plasters and chewing gum.
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As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.
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As much as I like Android, this is what you get when you get a search company writing an OS instead of a company that's been making OS's for 20+ years...
Bells and whistles are great, but not if your core functionality is farked.
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That and if windows tablets that still have a Intel CPUs, that steam store will be a hard app store to beat
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On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....
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On the whole, I don't think you have the right to complain. The devs are nice enough to share what they do. If you don't like it then make your own rom...
Waiting to see what you can come up with....
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This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.
No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
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ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
JustAnotherDrOidUser said:
No way!
Without the efforts of many developers we wouldn't have the following:
USB 3G support for the A500
Eye candy boot animations and themes
Lean operating environment by removing uneccesary startup software
Improved GPS response
Improved kernels for stable overclocking
As far as I'm concerned, the Dev contributers are doing a splendid job.
HTC Desire
ROM: MIUI-XJ v2.2.10 (D2EXT X-PART)
Recovery: 4EXT Classic
Acer Iconia A500
ROM: civato-FLEXSTRIKER-R9.5
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This is all very true thank you for an awesome reply
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Moscow Desire said:
Oh, we should post a sign. "Don't feed the Trolls".
Noticed how the OP edited his post, to include the 501 after I posted a simple response.
Some people, just show absolutely no appreciation to the hard work people do. We do it, so others can enjoy it.
Is it a sense of accomplishment, yeah, it is. Especially when it works for 95% of the users.
I'm no Dev. I'm a "fry cook". But I understand what Devs go through. Been there, did that.
Some people, will never be satisfied, no matter what you do. It's a pity.
Ought to kill this thread, as really, as the OP showed, it's an insult to all dev's and Modders.
And people wonder why the devs and modders leave xda. Just look at the title that was posted.
The best thing, is to ignore such posts, from such people, as they are just designed to get people into a pissing war, while they sit back and get amusement.
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No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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erica_renee said:
This i totally agree with . All of the tools are open and free to all. Thousands of internet sites books and other media to help.. Not to mention the new mobile development center at MIT...
TO Bad im a Blonde from Kentucky.. Boohooooo i just have to wait and hope .
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1. The tools aren't all open. They simply aren't. Remember the thor fiasco?
2. No one cares if you're a blonde from Kentucky. Posting about waiting & hoping will do nothing for anyone.
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No disrespect but your the only one I really see running around here *****ing and complaining. Seriously tge thread is going in the direction it was meant. Im not hassling devs thier talents are amazing in this place. Ive been here for years. Um just not real happy with my product even in the capable hands here. Thats all.
P.S. I did want to come back and update this post for you. Like Ibsaid I have been here for years. I remeber when xda was a lot different when people just ignored stupid comments and there wasnt all this he said she said tolling fad crap adults were adults and children were children. But oh how the waters have muddied even for a few who cook and code. Not all but as the new popular xda saying goes: "you know who you are" ;-)
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If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.
apapousek said:
If you're going to complain about stuff not being done, learn to program, and do it yourself.
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Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.
WereCatf said:
Drop the elitist attitude.
Not everyone has the qualities needed to make a programmer, just as not everyone has the qualities to become a successful artist; some people simply are better wired for it than others. Not to mention actual real-life issues.
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True, but if you are going to make a thread titled "development for my tablet sucks", you should be ready to ****ing drop some command line ninja skills.
It seems like the op was meaning to say "development seems to have stalled", but inflammatory language is inflammatory...
(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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Psichi said:
(ps, I am all sorts of drunk (woot woot switfkey autocorrection) and the useless bickering of the A500 forums makes me an angry drunk)
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Heh. Mind if I join you? Got a bottle of vodka and I'm bored out of my skull, getting drunk sounds like a rather good idea!