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Preparing to flash "Darky's Raw Steel Edition v3.0" i went back to JM9 and played around for a bit, for nostalgia's sake.
And then something crossed my mind...
"Damn! this is fast!"
Even without a lagfix or overclock, or even anything custom, JM9 is so much faster then the froyo releases we have currently...
The startup animation is actually an animation not a slideshow
Scrolling is no longer jumpy and laggy, it once again, tracks your finger like it should
The internet browser is no longer a useless pile of S*%t, i forgot how damn good the eclair one was, no longer do i need opera mini
The music player no longer lags when scrolling through a large song list, and it no longer freezes up when playing in the background (! wtf??)
Touchwiz scrolling is much improved
Launcher pro no longer lags, especially in the app drawer
We have more ram, without having to resort to gutting potentially vital VGA buffers
Im sure i am going to find some more... after using JPM, JP6 and JPA for a few weeks nearly now and not once being happy with performance, i have flashed so many custom roms, tried every filesystem on universal lagfix, voodoo, alpha overclock and ram mods and still i am not happy one bit.
Sure we may have a higher linpack score, we may have a few new features, but the performance and experience has not improved, and this is what froyo is supposed to be about!
I cant believe how much Samsung has messed up, we have been waiting months for this!
There, i said it...
Anyone else care to share their opinion?
I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
Ugly truth. Only thing better in froyo is newer version number.
Oh. And stereo FM Radio.
And..
Version number?
INeedYourHelp said:
I would stay on 2.1 JM9 if only there was a kernal with the universal lagfix (jfs with startup tweaks) + OC + Memory Tweaks.
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You may not have JFS but you have voodoo, there is raspdeeps OC kernel, and to start with we have more ram anyway and (seemingly, well, the broswer doesn't take 120mb now atleast) better memory management
Eclair feels like a polished engine
Froyo feels like a polished turd
I was all for froyo simply for the flash.... then i found out how ****ty flash was. The only flash site I go to that was good was Youtube. All my other flash video sites were complete crap (i like to watch livestream/ustream starcraft games on teamliquid.net and it was unwatchable with sgs flash.)
Infact the browser is ridiculously better in eclair.
How much ram does it take to load pocketnow full desktop version?
Froyo: 120mb+, followed by a memory dump, allot of lag and a FC
Eclair: 30mb, yeah, 30mb, with smooth pinch to zoom, and no lag
I totally agree, JM9, then I've put tayutama super lite 1.2 for eclair ofcourse, along with voodoo lagfix and Bln. Its the best i've found so far, and i've tested all others, but none is so good as the JM9 config i have.
Why are we bothering to go to froyo when we can have a very good eclair rom, which really is super fast, without any lag, extremely stable. All is perfect in here. I've even got setcpu to 1.2ghz. And i got quadrant scores of 2085, at times 1895, it but its between 1800 and 2085. So, its really good.
Now, i don't really think the benchmark is what we should rely on. What we need to see is the everyday use, and i must say its Perfect, the best ive used, and im loving this phone more and more. And now i can even use live wallpapers, its not even slowing my phone, whereas with all froyo rom, it was slowing my phone a bit.
Guys, try Jm9 with tayutama superlite 1.2 with voodoo lagfix and setcpu. Forget the froyo roms, u'll be disappointed.
Yeah that is what i was using before 'upgrading' to froyo, i really forgot how good it was...
Unless some dev (cyanogen, desire hd port, not counting samsung as losing faith...) pulls off something amazing with froyo i really see absolutely no reason to go to froyo.
The browser even benches the same in browserbench, ~28,500 no mods
Its really strange because in certain benchmarks froyo is a fair bit faster, but none of it translates to general usage
I've been unwilling to change to Froyo ever since hearing about the huge amount of memory used by the browser, and corresponding FCs. I'd like JIT and Flash etc., but it really does seem like Eclair is better at the moment.
Flash in JPM is terrible, when you scroll the page the flash box isn't even anchored to the page, it jumps about. looks really bad
its almost impossible to scroll the screen once you are over a flash box, it just doesn't register
Whilst I agree that eclair is better at the moment, I have to wonder why this thread is in the Dev forum. i9000 General is that way --->
nobody reads that forum!
agreed i installed darky's 3.0 froyo rom and its ok...
like yall are saying its not better by any means... as a matter of fact my data now is giving me problems... and market place too...
my questions is how do i get back to eclair? whats the best 2.1 rom out right now?
JM9 + Voodoo = Blazing Fast! : )
Tayutama jm9 + oc kernel (with voodoo) + noop scheduler
It makes jpm its *****
Lol
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Yeah i have to agree with you all.The performance in froyo is simply disapointing.I dont expect the final release from samsung to be better.Im only staying with froyo because of the great work made by some devs with the universal lagfix.I will try the official when its ready.And probably after that i will return to eclair.
Yeah I definitely appreciate all the work done by the devs here, if only samsung were half decent at software...maybe we should petition google saying samsung is ruining androids name, give us some love too google!
But I thought there was no official froyo for galaxy s yet?
I don't believe that, Samsung obviously released it on purpose then withdrew it after people complained about phones bricking with the OTA, and how bad it is.
Either that or someone must have got fired for uploading the source and the rom onto the kies server
I'll have to respectfully disagree. I was pretty disappointed with Froyo initially, but my current config is a speed monster.
Kalpik's JPA ROM (pre merger with Doc)
ULF No-RFS advanced e4 (selected option to not backup, so wipe after lagfix)
All kernel tweaks
Minfree at "optimal"
The browser specifically is faster than eclaire, I have no doubt about that. Even with full facebook pages open, it consumes something like 10 to 20 MB.
Contacts, dialer, MMS, mail, everything opens instantly and scrolls very smoothly. Before this, (and several disappointing froyo ROMs) I was on JM9 + Tayutama + Voodoo, and I can assure you this feels just as fast, if not faster (browser is definitely MUCH faster)
I mean I've had many frikin phones in the pass last one before this was a sensation ...
I'm saying all this cause for the first time I find a stock rom really fast/smooth. So is it really worth it a custom rom?
And I read here and there about a browser lag? What lag? This is one or the smoothest browser I tried on a phone
Let me know what rom u running and if u really feel the difference ..remember ..to review a rom u need a couple of days ..heavy use ..right after u load a rom it would be fast and smooth that's usually the case.
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im using stock KE2
one of the only reasons ive seen people use custom roms is because of the battery life .Im fine on my KE2 i can go for 2+days without a charge
I think what they mean by browser lag is that some custom ROMs have buggy browsers ..... im not sure of this
Mine is KE7 I have no problem with battery either ...
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ill probably change roms a year from now so i can try the AOSP feel of CM7 or CM8 if android 4 is around the corner
basically i want to try "android" for what it is
With the brute force of dualcore and 1Gb ram, i doubt a customized ROM can make a significant difference like what it did on the SGS1. Im using KF1 ( stock with my phone ) and I have no battery or speed issues, I still have all the samsung bloat installed just for stress testing. Will be removing it maybe tomorrow.
Nah, there is no real speed difference that I can notice and I have tried every rom here exept MIUI. A number of guys are running the phone underclocked by 33% and don't notice any difference. Outside of gaming it would seem we have power to spare for the moment. I cant comment on the stock browser as I used it just long enough to figure out the text reflow blows chunks and moved over to opera. I never had a problem making it through the day and that is all the battery I require.
Still performance be it speed or improved battery life is only one aspect of custom roms. There is also the various mods, bug fixes, and extended options and functionality, that chefs throw in that make installing a rom a no brainer to me. Roms are in their infancy on this device, I expect them to get a lot more interesting after 2.3.4 drops and they mature.
I cannot see any performance difference with villainrom either. However it seems to me that the battery usage is much better than with stock rom.
With normal usage (except games) the SGS2 performs great - you just don't need to worry about speed.
@qwerty warrior:
there's a fix for the laggy browser in custom roms.
I've been using VillainRom v1.4 for a little now (tried out MIUI before which was nice but wanted something with a little less bugs.) and mainly the only reason I switched from stock was to test if the battery is any better (been getting similar to stock battery life) and to have a deodexed rom for themes. Also, I've been running my SGS II UC at 500mHz and I had experience no lag at all. Haven't played too many intensive games but, when I played Riptide GP it ran smoothly. Overall to me the main advantage to having a custom rom now (until CM or MIUI are out and stable) are for the themes available to a deodexed rom.
Hope this helps.
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I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
cheers
incorrect.
admanirv said:
I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
cheers
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What? ICS is more powerfull than any blur rom...
way better than GB bro
I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me
thaikinh said:
I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me
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video playback (HW decoding) and flash player are what's holding me back.
On the rom that you tried, have you tried those functions?
Honestly, if I didn't have a lapdock I would be using jokesax build as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do smoothly. Only problem is when you plug it in the lapdock, it's just an android tablet with no touch screen. Using that trackpad as your finger is not fun. Otherwise, the CM9 stuff is great.
Okay so the tegra drivers for ICS are present in the CM9 roms or is it some bespoke driver?
H/W decoding and camcorder are what keep me away from the ICS roms atm.
Thanks
Any custom can be good!
Correct me if Im wrong but as far as I can tell the big differences between ICS and GB are seen in stock roms.
And Custom Rom is USUALLY zipaligned, deodexed, converted to ext4.
Sometimes Developers (like notorious) build awesome mix of both, and put in they're own unique tweeks. Notorious's Neutrino 2.6 for instance runs graphics entirely from the GPU among some other tweeks, and you WILL NOT find a smoother faster rom. WILL NOT!
Now the only real ways we have to test out phones "performance" is with benchmarking apps like antutu and quandrant. But honestly their outcomes tend to vary so much, its hard to go by what they say.
But just so everyone knows, my best bechmark "score" on antutu was 7047 with cm7 oc'd to 1.45 (which is gingerbread by the way)
Ive benched every rom from all of Jokers cm9's, to every miui (GB&ICS) as well as all the CM7's and builds based off them (neutrino, morrisoftgen). Even BLUR based roms like dorians redpill and The Darkside by nottich.
All im saying is that I think both builds have the potential to be equally as powerful as the eachother.
PLEASE if Im completly wrong about ANY of this I would like to be corrected, but please make sure its with CORRECT information, lol.
Thanks!
CM9 anTuTu
Also, the best score on antutu ive gotten on any one of the cm9 jokersax builds with faux 1.45 oc kernel was about 6900!
So, so far Custom GB roms are best so far according to benches
I think the gb rooms perform a little bit faster...using cm9 4.0 jokersax and its laggy opening my app drawer and little laggy moments too..cm7 was a little bit faster though imo
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ICS ROMs still aren't very good with 2D hardware acceleration. And that means 2D is still gonna be slow and jerky.
ICS
I am running with jokersax ics rom, it is great, and the performance is better than the OTA 2.3.5 from Bell.. it took a bit to get the bootloader unlocked, etc.. it seems like I flash roms daily now... Unfortunately, there are still bugs... the most utd rom does not seem to take pictures properly, causes the app to lock up, and the video cam is no usable at all.. :\ I have reverted back to the 0.3.3 rom, and it will take pictures... as far as 2d/3d games are concerned, I play world of goo, hot pursuit, angry birds space and they all run great...
Motorola has ics update in progress as we speak, and they should be rolling out in a couple months, which means any lost code or functions that are n/a now will be rippable from the official... so either way, you can use the ota now or get a taste of ICS with a few problems...
flashing only takes about 5 minutes anyhoo, so its not like you can't switch back and forth....
I find ICS to perform a little quicker, my 2 cents.
Performance
Personally I have used Jokersax's and turl's builds (using turl now, but downloading jokersax 0.4.4 now). Both have really very good performance, especially compared to stock, I would say they outperform it by a long way, but yea, 2D graphics aren't brilliant and the camera was borked (although jokersax has apparently fixed that). I would say definitely change to 4.0.4 just because it is the latest android version and everything about it is soo nice, no blur to bog it down and while I am sure that many 2.3 roms can perform better, sometimes, it is best to choose user experience.
im on turl's latest and find scrolling to be so utterly smooth on ics easily replicating the smooth scrolling experiene on iphone whereas GB always had that slight jittery scroll which always annoyed me. I use apex launcher which i find to be smoother than trebuchet and with that all in all id say performance seems smoother than back on GB
I'm using CM9 both on HPtouchpad and Atrix.
And I can say that Atrix's 2d acceleration is not perfect yet.
It is almost perfect when we scroll lists.
But not when we scroll home screen with wallpaper scroll option.
And some people will think that browser's acceleration is perfect,
but it is not yet when it comes to complex web page.
It can be even more faster. I found that when I used cm9 on hp touchpad.
(Of course, turl and jokersax are doing great job. We have to blame motorola and nvidia )
I find cm9 to work very well, although there are the browser issues mentioned elsewhere.
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Hi all,
recently cyanogenmod released their 7.2
and even though really cool I have the feeling my phone is using much more memory than before
basically I have between 80-110 mb free (I'm using V6 supercharger ) and well on 7.1 it runs really smooth
but on 7.2 it seems like it never goes over 30mb. Now I know the saying goes "on android free memory is wasted memory" but after using my phone for couple of hours it gets really sluggish
Anyone an idea whether it is something wrong with cyanogenmod or supercharger or...? and more importantly how to fix this?
Cheers
Same thing here. Used to be very fast on 7.1, now feels generally sluggish on 7.2 after a few hours. Like the improvements though...
I'm running the latest CM7 nightly w/ ILWT kernel and V6 Supercharger. Also have like 95 apps on my device. Free memory is about 135MB after boot. I usually see a bit more but it's not too bad and I don't know if my new apps ate up some of the memory.
LoL that's really bad for cyanogen..
That's why I switched permanently to Virtuous Sense 2 in combo with supercharger.
At the moment (2 days of usage / uptime) my free memory is 147. (based on system settings, only running programs).
On boot i get 170mb free at least.
Didn't think 7.2 was 'recent' since it was on the list of stable roms for my G2 for a couple weeks, it's also the one I tried despite being 'unsigned' compared to the rest. I found it to be somewhat sluggish, I've not tried 7.1 since I moved to CM9b13 then eventually EliteMod ICS where I'm at now since I liked ICS much better and to me it was faster/smoother than CM7.2
But as I've seen around the forums, 7.1 seemed to be better than 7.2 and my opinion probably would have been different had I tried that one first.
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.
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GB is more stable and faster for day-to-day usage, BUT has fewer features, an uglier UI and no HWA (making gaming and web browsing comparatively awful).
ICS has HWA so is best for gaming and web browsing and is still reasonably stable and smooth. I personally would go for ICS because it's just nicer to use, but it's all a matter of opinion and nobody can really tell you which to choose.
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That's what i was missing, HWA. I didn't know GB had no HWA. That really helped, thanks a bunch
g0ldb3rg said:
I'm kinda tired of flashing lots of roms to see which one is better. So i did some research and, although i really liked ICS, i've seen someone saying that GB is alot better, since ICS was built for higher-end devices. The matter is that those were old posts, things sure have changed during these years.
The question now is, based on performance, which is better for our HD2? GB or ICS?
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Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
Cheers
adil1508 said:
Ive used both ICS and GB. Let me tell you, GB seems to be alot better than ICS for day to day use. The 2D games run fine on GB. And the web browsing, although not BLAZING fast like on ICS, is really tolerable. GB on my specific phone seems alot stable than ICS, faster too. Ive been using Typhoon's rom for the past 2 months and its working GREAT so far.
But if the HD2 is your secondary phone, no need to go for GB. Just use ICS
Cheers
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I can confirm that. Above all, the data connection is a very little bit more stable under GB. With some effort, but definitely worth to try DataOnExt variants under ICS or JB! If you have time to do that, you can rise your system partition to about 400MBs and have enough space and power to switch to your HD2 as primary phone!
I'm running tytungs NexusHD2-JellyBean-CM10 V1.4a and it works like a charm!
Greetings
I have been using both ICS and GB and to my experience I think GB feels a lot faster and more stable.
Loading a couple of hundreds of SMS messages in ICS for the first time takes ages (while in GB is considerably faster), frequent freezes forcing to take battery out, etc.
On the other hand ICS has more features (HWA, Sound Profiles, Lock Screen Widgets, Quick Settings in Notification, better screen resolution) and I think has better in-call quality than GB.
A word of warning though. The stability and responsiveness depend on the chosen ROM. I personally prefer tytung's ROMS and I usually opt-out for NAND installations (although I have also tried NativeSD version of Jelly Bean with class 10 MicroSD card).
Hope I helped.
GB feels alot faster faster then ICS. and if you dont like the look of GB, try MIUI imo its the best combo for smoothness and stable as stock GB and it looks nice and stylish