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1.5 vs 2.1 speed...my observations!

okay so as you know i created a few roms now based on 2.1. i know that shocked most of you because i never liked 2.1 that much to begin with, it felt slow & bulky even after flashing several roms. so i decided to make my own based on fresh 2.0d. now i will admit they are pretty fast and i enabled jit on my phone too but for the hell of it i went and restored my trusty pancake 1.5c backup as a test. the difference is like night & day. speed wise and free ram wise. now mind you i have the exact same # of apps on each rom and pretty much set up the same way minus different themes.
so my question is why does it seem 1.5 is soo much smoother & faster?
maybe it's the tweaked 1.5c kernel in the pancake rom?

and yes i know were still trying to get the bugs worked out of JIT but i did this test just for myself to see if i can improve upon my roms at all.

maybe its a placebo effect? i dont remember 1.5 being much snappier than the current 2.1. the fastest rom with no hang ups i've ever used is the now defunct 1.6 aosp =( if it wasnt for the camera i'd still be using it.

98classic said:
maybe its a placebo effect?
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no, it's not that. everything is 10x snappier and the free ram is at least 20% higher than the fresh 2.0 based roms. it's not a big deal i guess just something i had to do but it has me thinking now.

98classic said:
maybe its a placebo effect? i dont remember 1.5 being much snappier than the current 2.1. the fastest rom with no hang ups i've ever used is the now defunct 1.6 aosp =( if it wasnt for the camera i'd still be using it.
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im pretty sure camera works on 1.6 only thing that doesnt is camcorder and bluetooth i believe could be wrong though but im almost positive cam works

Eris based roms
I too am disappointed with the speed of the sprint based 2.1 roms. I do think that 1.5 is comparable. However, I get the best performance out of the Eris based 2.1 roms. I have even found fresh toast 1.1 to be choppier than DC1.0, which I use as my daily. Fresh toast does many things very fast, but it is just too choppy. DC1.0 runs her smooth. in fact, the only difference I find is neocore running at 29 with DC1.0, as opposed to 34 with fresh toast. However, that difference is not reflected in 3d games like those by polarbit, or in web browsing (which actually seems slower), or even in navigating sense, which is just choppy.

You are comparing a pre-release, admittedly buggy ROM against an established production ROM. Of course 2.1 (pre) will be slower.
I will assume the Sprint released 2.1 will have possibly the same performance as the 1.5 ROM (possibly smoother -- depending on HTC's intent in releasing the ROM).
Unfortunately, our hardware was dated from the start and is our main challenge.
Please don't take this as a flame. Just an observation/opinion.

What is the fastest, most reliable firmware n lag combo?

Just been trying jpc, and even with lag fix, it is disappointingly slow and buggy (even when lag fixed), so I plan to go back to eclair for the time being (until an official froyo fw), but which firmware / rom should I use for the best performance in the real world? Not interested in benchmarks as such, just the actual real world performance of the phone.
Any thoughts?

tameracingdriver said:
Just been trying jpc, and even with lag fix, it is disappointingly slow and buggy (even when lag fixed), so I plan to go back to eclair for the time being (until an official froyo fw), but which firmware / rom should I use for the best performance in the real world? Not interested in benchmarks as such, just the actual real world performance of the phone.
Any thoughts?
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The new 'leaked' 2.2 ROM without any lagfix works a treat... you don't need the lagfix because there is no lagg / delay.
Flawless ROM so far... it is my daily rom.
Edit: Just saw you said it is buggy.... really? Why is it buggy? Its been far from that for me. hmm
Try the latest Samset ROM... I guess it is the best 2.1 modded ROM out there.
I am using Docs 2.2 Modded ROM..

Hmm, might try without lag fix then, but as is, this is really slow. I just had to reboot my phone as even scrolling home screens was terrible. This is the second time I've flashed with jpc, with countless factory resets, formatting internal storage, etc etc. Wasted hours with this now. Nowhere near as fast for me as jm2 with lag fix.

Mate flash this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769374
I have no lag. Flash works flawlessly. Market is perfect. I have 150+ apps and they all work smoothly. Home screen scrolling, syncing etc works fine.
It is faster than the 2.1 ROMs I have tried. Samset [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724576] used to be my daily ROM but this is now.
Make sure you follow the instructions properly. Do a full wipe of phone and cache it your Galaxy will be flying.
Let me know what you think when you have done it.

ironically I was going top use that the first time I flashed, but after having problems previously with the samset rom on eclair I decided against it. Maybe I will start again and try this.
This phone seems to have taken my life over though... Not sure this is a good thing.

Please help me choose a ROM.

Well, it's been 3 weeks since I bricked my phone. Mine was 1 of those that had no recovery mode so I had to send it in to get repaired. As I live abroad, the turn around time was a very LONG 3 weeks. Anyway, browsing the development section I see a lot of the devs have gone into over drive. There are SO MANY Rom's to choose from that frankly, I'm a bit overwhelmed at which to choose.
Bionix Final
Bionix Fusion 1.1
Froyo JPA Macnut
Froyo JPO Axura
AOSPish 1.4
MasterRom Final
Then there are all the kernels as well as the zmod4 mod. I mean wtf! lol!!
I was running Bionix 1.7 with Voodoo and it was unbelievably smooth and fast. Now I just don't even know where to start.
In your opinions , what combo would be the fastest, most stable, smoothest and closest one of all of those to Bionix 1.7 OC w/voodoo?

Wow, this is such a loaded question since the answer is always going to be one of opinion. But, since I have one of those, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth.
My phone was also bricked by the OTA. However, I was able to use ODIN to flash back to stock. Knowing I could do this gave me the confidence to try the Bionix 1.x versions (pre Final). When Fusion came out, I went to it and am very happy that I did. In my opinion, it is what Samsung should have release in the first place. (Samsung should really consider engaging this team - or other developers who are spending a lot of time tweaking the ROMs - as consultants on their future releases). So, to answer your question:
* They (both flavors of Bionix) are very stable
* Doesn't require a lag fix.
So, I'm pretty happy. The main difference (as I understand it) between Bionix Final and Fusion is whether you have all of the Samsung stuff included. Fusion doesn't include Touchwiz. I'm a Launcher Pro person, so Fusion is a better choice for me.
Now, regarding the Froyo builds. Depends on what you want to do with your phone. I view those builds as "bleeding edge." So, I want them to be around a little longer before I go that route. But that's just me.
Good luck.

It all depends on your personal preference.
If you are afraid to brick your new replacement and wait another 3 weeks I'd suggest going with Bionix Final stock kernel option, if you feel adventurous go with Bionix Fusion with non-stock kernel. I would, personally, wait for a stable Froyo ROM, current ROM's lack GPS drivers due to unavailability of the source from Samsung, but as soon as an official leak shows up or OTA roll out, I am pretty sure there will be a stable Froyo builds to choose from.
In my opinion, you cannot go wrong with Fusion JAC kernel, it smooths the phone to a degree I don't even see what stock OTA Froyo could bring to the table except Adobe Flash support. My understanding in the delays associated with Froyo release is the JIT (just in time compiler) hasn't been optimized for Hummingbird CPU, and Samsung is working on the optimization.

I recommend Bionix Fusion 1.1 with Project Core kernal 1Ghz. Its very stable, very fast and smooth and good battery life. There is also a Project Core 1.2 Ghz kernel but that one ran my cpu kinda hot with continuous use and I flashed down to the 1Ghz kernel. Not to mention Team Whiskey has put a lot of effort into making this rom as usable as possible. Far as that goes, every rom development team on here has lol. Thats my recommendation though.

That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.

Bionix Fusion 1.1 w/ project core v1 @ 1.2 if your phone can handle it. I have flashed just about every rom that has been released including the froyo roms and to me, this is by far the best rom / kernel combo.

joe.kerwin said:
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.

joe.kerwin said:
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs. So first thing you'd have to decide is if you want a ROM with all the features, personally, I don't get why people settle for Froyo minus the GPS. JIT isn't even functioning, so what are you really getting out of froyo at the time being? Just to say you have it? There really aren't any life changing factors comparing froyo vibrant roms to bionix 1.1.
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing). My suggestion is bionix 1.1 if you really wanna try something new, but it won't change your life, just satisfy your need for change.
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Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.

I've had great performance with Bionix Fusion using the Core v1 kernal (over clocked to 1.2). I threw the OCLF on top of it, but everything already ran great without it.
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Master™ said:
Acutally flash one of those ROM's before saying things don't work or they aren't stable..
They are stable, JIT DOES work, etc.
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Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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zephiK said:
JIT in the newer Froyo builds is working.. what are you talking about? Everything works with the exception of GPS. The only issue that you may encounter is GPS and battery life complaints (results may vary) and the occasional data drop problem.
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Not efficiently. And yeah so your advice is a ROM with no GPS and data difficulties on a more than capable device? Dude, what are YOU talking about?
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I've been running bionix fusion with project core v1 @1.2 and it's pretty good, however I had a random reboot so I might go down to the 1ghz, we'll see.

joe.kerwin said:
Things aren't wrong with stable ROMs. It's a port. A port is a port. Fact is when official froyo made for our MODEL of galaxy s, these froyo sources will be dropped. The 2.1 roms for us are built on a stable base built for our phones. They're just facts. Not discrediting any work done. If my friend asked a recommendation, I certainly wouldn't recommend an experimental ROM with dysfunctional features, and that's what this thread is about.
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I have to agree/disagree with you. Even though 2.2 ROMs are ports, they are still very very good. And if you can live w/o the GPS.. Well, go with one of them
If you can't live w/o a GPS, then go with Master Rom or Bionix Fusion

Fusion with the Core kernel is awesome for me. 1.2GHz without increased voltage is nice. This is my first android device and I really like Launcher Pro.
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joe.kerwin said:
That's not even a reasonable list of options. All froyo ROMS are not stable. And for anyone who thinks these froyo ROMs are sUpEr cOoL aWeSoMe, stable means everything works, and everything does not work currently on any froyo ROMs.
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You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
I myself have a new vibrant, and am running a rooted JI6 OTA, just rooted for adfree and tether mainly, along with the OCLF just for ****s n giggles. The OCLF really only seems to speed up certain small things, like cache cleaning/app uninstalls/etc. Ive ran every 2.1 ROM on a vibrant and there's really no significant changes in speed, same linpack, same quadrant (even though it means nothing).
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Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.

Kubernetes said:
You seem to have a very different definition of the word "stable" compared to most people. IMO, "stable" means not rebooting or force closing randomly. What you describe is "not fully featured."
Nutty. Fusion 1.1 w/ Core1zMod? Way faster than JI6 stock. Try placing a widget or calling up any app.
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I've used it, it's pointless to argue. We're talking about milliseconds here. If you reopen and close a random app 10x. Each of our setups would hesitate on a few of them. I'm satisfied with speed on this thing. I'm more focused on new features. And your opinion is wrong, the gps and apparently data is not stable at all or at all times. Gps would be a component of the rom, which in turn makes the rom experimental. Its just made well enough to use daily.
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Gentlemen, thanks for all of the replies. It's very much appreciated.
I am going to switch between a Froyo version and Bionix Fusion. I have absolutely no use for GPS where I'm located, never even used it once. So I'm going to give Froyo a try to see what it's like. Then in all honesty, unless it's unbelievable... I see myself going to Bionix Fusion as it's the most recommended here.
No matter which I eventually end up with, I think I'll be keeping it at 1Ghz. No OC for me until I run some serious tests. My OCing experience with computers tells me that OCing a unit without any additional cooling and having it sealed in a casing that must be close to as warm as hell, is a seriously bad idea. Even without extra juice, I can only see more harm coming from that than any actual real world benefits. But I'll know for sure after I see what the temp variations are like. (Anyone care to share their experience with that?)
Again, thank you all for the suggestions.

Why is there no love for AOSPish 1.4? Lol I really love that rom with JACS oc/uv kernel. Its an awesome rom if u want to go for a more stock android look. Either way u cant really go wrong with any of these roms. Developers are bustin their butts to constantly improve them. I think u should just try a few out and see what works best for u! Good luck
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Hmmmmmmm Roms
Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that

oka1 said:
Like most of the people who already posted I think people are getting way myopic about what is better yadida..........
My experience has been the one thing that never really gets resolved 100% is the GPS, and that is not that important to me
The Froyo's
The Axura's
The Bionix's
Eugenes Roms
Master's roms
All of the above are fantastic in their own right. The Better question is "what do i really need and want" then look at the roms and "back engineer" you needs and wants to the rom that most matches that criteria. What i see is this over active need to have the fastest most newest rom.... ok.......... so, that is like having a Massaretti in commuter traffic... you cannot utilize the power.... so look to your needs and wants and find a balanced rom thatfits that
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Very well said and great analogy. Don't forget there are tons of people who want a Ferrari or Lambo just for the wow factor while in traffic. Most custom roms give you that wow compared to stock.

2.2 vs 2.2.1 changes

Everyone wants 2.2.1 but what are the benefits over 2.2?
Reason I ask is that I updated from 2.1 to 2.2 last night. Feels much snappier so far.
Should we just be waiting for gingerbread?
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I had Quadrant score 857 on stock Eclair (XWJM2). This went up to almost 1000 after I re-partitioned to XWJPA/XXJPP/OXAJPO. With XXJPX I have score of 1182. So I guess there is some improvement
I haven't been using 2.2 though, so I can compare only Quadrant score here…

The Quadrant leap is nothing to do with the fact that it is 2.2.1, but more the fact that Samsung finally got their **** together and made a new kernel and optimised the rom I believe.
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The mail app is not laggy or slow anymore.
Performance on the phone is awesome
Camera/Video interface/menu a little different.
When caller calls you can press power to mute the ringer ... it was in 2.1 but not in the 2.2 ... now 2.2.1 its back
Battery seems to be better.

Gallery now shows most recent first. I don't know if there was ever a setting for that but its a biggie for me. Saves me scrolling through 500 odd pictures to find the one I just took.
And the phone is just so fast. I'm super happy with JPX
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Also start up time is quick.

You can input UK post codes in the ZIP code field before it only allowed numbers.

Sound good, I'm waiting for stable Doc's XXJPX rom release

BuddyLee said:
When caller calls you can press power to mute the ringer ... it was in 2.1 but not in the 2.2 ... now 2.2.1 its back
Battery seems to be better.
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This feature was in 2.1, 2.2 and now 2.2.1 however in 2.1 you had to use vol down key and in froyo power button.
Cheers!

Boots up super quick now.
Performance has improved big time to the point where i havent even bothered reapplying a lag fix to it, as i cant see it making much of a difference now.
Its kinda sad really. I always liked messing with my phone but they have done such a good job with 2.2.1 that theres not really much to mess with now.

Some things ive noticed in 2.2.1
Quicker boot time
Better battery life
Advanced exchange email options (peak, non peak time)
Facebook sync notifications work flawlessly
Web browser speed improved over leaked JPU
Contact list has full A-Z

Separate wallpaper for lock screen.

Dont think it has been mentioned but you can now use the stock headphones to change songs via the mircophone. Double pressing in quick succession allows this.
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hi,
anyone knows how to sort apps from A-Z. i have upgrade sgs from 2.2 to 2.2.1, and now all my apps are disorder?
thanks!

very good, but lag is there
The 2.2.1 update is pretty good actually. I'm impressed.
The lag is less visible, but it's still there. Especially for the NewsRob application which I use very frequently during the day.
It's very unlikely but I just hope that Samsung switches to ext4 like Nexus S did.

Games are smoother. I used to have occasional stutter.
If you are using stock 2.2 try the game Ant Smasher.
After installing 2.2.1, the game is smooth.
Installed the game on a friend's 2.2, the same lag appears.

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Boots up super quick now.
Performance has improved big time to the point where i havent even bothered reapplying a lag fix to it, as i cant see it making much of a difference now.
Its kinda sad really. I always liked messing with my phone but they have done such a good job with 2.2.1 that theres not really much to mess with now.
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Doesn't RFS generate lots of garbage (system error data) over time, which results in the system lag. EXT4 shouldn't do that... So isn't theres still some point in using a lagfix?

create a directory called media on the sd with a ringtones directory in that and move your rings there stops them showing in the music player. Just like the N1 does. Will probly work with nofification and alarms as well

I flashed JPX last night (over the top of full JPU), product code was KOR, used the dial method to change to XEU, factory reset and the battery drains really quick!
Anyone else experience this and know if there's a cause or fix?
I find the performance on 2.2.1 MUCH faster and smoother than 2.2 (JPO).

Stock browser in jpx only allows 4 pages instead of 8. Don't think it bothers me. I was always closing down pages anyway
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Is anyone impressed with froyo so far?

I think having flash is cool. Doesn't seem as good to me as the oc'ed dl09 blackhole I was running before. Seems glitchy and temperamental. I haven't run one rom for a few days to let things settle in but that's because it just isn't doing it for me yet.
Maybe when the kinks are worked out and there is an overclocked voodoo option it will be more to my liking.
Some of the controls do not seem as intuitive either such as settings that have to be activated through an action or haptic having to be turned on but vibration intensity set to zero to turn it off when typing in different apps.
I see why verizon and samsung don't throw it on the market as is.
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Im running Rubik's and am extremely impressed. I feel like it does everything faster. Only thing I find that has taken a step backwards is the web browser. It seems a little slower and doesn't autosize websites when I double tap.
Really that's my only thing ... I'm not seeing a lot of the bugs that have been reported by users.
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i second the rubik's post. but alltogether, froyo is kind of...
lame. everyone said we shouldn't get our panties in a bunch over it. and they were right. it seems to cause just about as many problems as it fixed.
so again, i guess we go back to hating samsung code dev. why can't this just be a google native phone? when android started that was the idea right?
(of course this is most likely due to the difference in hardware, but its still fun to blame samsung).

I actually find the browser to definitely load sites a bit faster than Eclair's -- which should be expected since a browser performance boost is one of Froyo's top-billed features.
That said, I think people need to remember that this (DL30) is almost certainly not a release that will ever see the official light of day. Simply put, we're running a leak that was never supposed to get out. There are obvious bugs (like long-pressing search) and quite likely more than a few non-obvious bugs too. Heck, Droid Life already has pictures of a newer Froyo ROM with all the expected Verizon bloatware (Blockbuster, Bing, etc.), so that just adds support to the idea that DL30 simply isn't ready for primetime.
But I do have to say this: whether on stock Android or not, Froyo does offer a measurable performance boost over Eclair. Anyone who says otherwise really should take a look at the benchmarks performed by quite literally every major tech blog and news site out there. Of course it's not like getting a new phone, but it truly is a noticeable speed boost. So why aren't we seeing much if anything noticeable now? That should be obvious: bloatware aside, once again, we're simply running an unfinished ROM.

Froyo is great. Please don't complain about it. People worked hard for this. We don't need your discouragement, this will develope more, just give it time
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The wait for Froyo's feature set was for me, secondary to the wait for the development boost. The guys on our forum do great things, but noone wants to be working with 2.1.
This brings us to the proper foundation to build from.
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It's OK.
It only confirmed what i already knew. That our XDA developers are the true innovators and the only ROMS i care about are theirs.
I was one of those that frequently said Froyo was not a big deal. I installed it, and my thoughts are mixed.
Was it worth the wait? well there are things that i liked and things not to like.
Here's what i liked. For starters, I have a galaxy tab and when i installed my games onto my Fascinate they didn't work. I suspected it was because of Froyo 2.2. I was right. They all came to life on Froyo. Pocket legends HD is spectacular. I also am able to use Kongregate now as well as Hulu (with mod). The email reader was slicker and the facebook integration smoother.
Here's what i disliked. While i've had no bugs (i re-installed a stock image first), it is slower, less bells and whistles than my previously fabulous Custom Rom's and themes. and of course back to bloated touchwiz junk. I did put adw, but it still seems slower than before. Most of the upgrades were under the hood and to be honest i never really felt them.
I miss my custom themes, but for now i'll keep this froyo and wait for themes ported to it to give it my final opinion.

Froyo delivered what I wanted it to deliver:
- A GMail app that has almost all of the features I need
- A contact list that sorts by last name
- The ability to move apps to my SD card
- Fully functioning Flash
I am happy....

Slower then my dj05....period.

Falcyn said:
I actually find the browser to definitely load sites a bit faster than Eclair's -- which should be expected since a browser performance boost is one of Froyo's top-billed features.
That said, I think people need to remember that this (DL30) is almost certainly not a release that will ever see the official light of day. Simply put, we're running a leak that was never supposed to get out. There are obvious bugs (like long-pressing search) and quite likely more than a few non-obvious bugs too. Heck, Droid Life already has pictures of a newer Froyo ROM with all the expected Verizon bloatware (Blockbuster, Bing, etc.), so that just adds support to the idea that DL30 simply isn't ready for primetime.
But I do have to say this: whether on stock Android or not, Froyo does offer a measurable performance boost over Eclair. Anyone who says otherwise really should take a look at the benchmarks performed by quite literally every major tech blog and news site out there. Of course it's not like getting a new phone, but it truly is a noticeable speed boost. So why aren't we seeing much if anything noticeable now? That should be obvious: bloatware aside, once again, we're simply running an unfinished ROM.
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According to quadrant...I'm running 115mhz slower on dl30 with a decrease of about 3 mflops...so I'd say it is not faster. It's actually very...apparent

Overall, I'm happy with it. Selecting text and cut/copy/paste is vastly improved, it's got built-in screen capture, better multitouch, better g-mail client and I can now use the full Skype app.
The little glitches need to be accepted in so far as we *are* using a leak. There are reasons Verizon hasn't released this yet, and chances are, these are those reasons.

so far I'm loving the 2.2 leak. Working great.

Pfredd said:
Froyo delivered what I wanted it to deliver:
- A GMail app that has almost all of the features I need
- A contact list that sorts by last name
- The ability to move apps to my SD card
- Fully functioning Flash
I am happy....
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Moving apps to SD card
is there are ROM that has this feature included?

Right now everything is definitely faster than my completely stock fascinate. The only thing that doesn't work is the included email and Google maps and navigation which is a little annoying

Are you kidding? Flash, new Gmail, sort contacts, add ringtones without having to create a phone contact, and Chrome to Phone. I can't tell you how often I use Chrome to Phone. Anytime I need to install a zip, I just send it right to my phone. Overall, I have to say 2.2 is a very nice improvement over 2.1.

For me, the DL09 w/voodoo was the best overall Fascinate experience... but coming from a Froyo'd OG Droid... I really missed Chrome to Phone and Flash... so that's why I am running DL30.
What I am hoping for? DL09 Voodoo performance with DL30 features... I am gonna stick with DL30 for now (as switching back from DL09 Voodoo bricked my phone) and hope that we can get Voodoo like performance soon enough...
def

I did the stock (rooted) leak and then went to Superclean for Froyo. Superclean can be modded with blackhole elements and other tweaks you can find in the forum. Bottom line? I get faster performance and less lag. The browser works faster and it is a cleaner integration. My only issue now is battery life. I was getting very good battery life with my old setup. So I wiped bat stats, reinstalled clean after wiping everything, etc. and it still doesn't seem right. When I check usage it seems to overly point out display (like 95% of battery usage). I'm not sure what's going on but I'm up to about nine hours of battery life so it's good enough. I'm hoping some of these things will get resolved as time goes by. Any wisdom, let me know. Overall, froyo works well and will only get better.
One note. I was noticing the browser issue as well. Go to the settings in the browser and that will take care of it. Apparently "resize" isn't the default as it should be.

The Froyo Gmail app allows me to send outbound mail from all the addresses I have set up in my Gmail account - a significant improvement from the pre-Froyo version which only sends outbound mail from your main Gmail address.

onemotodroid said:
Moving apps to SD card
is there are ROM that has this feature included?
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The stock ROM has it. You need to go to Settings / Applications / Manage Applications. Click on the app you want to move. If the app supports moving, the "Move to SD card" button will be active. Just press that button.

Now that I have Blackhole 4.1 the experience is getting better. Seems to be running smoother.
Can't wait for voodoo and oc'ed kernels.