Hello guys,
it will be great if someone from you can help me. I have a XDA lls but when i have shut it down it doesn't turn on anymore. I send the phone to a technician and he said that the hardware is crashed (respectively the processor doesn't work).
Now i want to know if it exist a way to change the processor and if yes the question is:
1. where can i buy the processor
2. If doesn't exist a way to change the processor, then where can i buy the hardware (motherboard) ???
p.s, i need also a new battery.
Thanks in advance,
Besmir
Think ur technician is an expert? Think he said the truth? Think he wants to avoid the repair so that he cant make it?
If ur ans are yes,yes,no respectively, then dont read the rest...
If it is no,no,yes then u may proceed...
I said because i am a technician for years.. and wont agree 100% with the fact that your processor is damaged. Coz 95 out of 100 phones that goes dead is not due to processor damage.( atleast for my experience) .
Well that may be due to damaged charging/powersupplay section, or may be due to a dead non retrievable batt. Or in worst case, a dead processor or aged soldering.
Repairs goes this way..
1) check with a good charged battery( batt should be charged via some external charger, never ever a dead li-ion batt can be charged in a phone or so, coz the pda/phones batt charger section have restrictions to charge a completely dead batt)
2) if u have ensured the first step, now open the pda, and check if the rest of the board get enough and proper supplay from charging /power supply section of board( get online help like circuit diagrams / repair manuals etc.. to know which one is which and how much should be the voltage leavels).
3) if u have proper voltages, and yet the phone is in coma, disconnect the main board from every thing, and heat up every soldering joints with the help of a hot air resoldering station( the too dangerous job, unless u r INDIANA JHONS.)
4) Reconnect every thing like as before. And if its still dead, go for motherboard replacement( u can never get the processor unless u r STEVE JOBS)
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True, i too get a feeling that our technician doesnt have enough knowledge or expertise to repair your XDA lls
he may have checked your device to look for some burnout or physical damage but when he got no clues .. he simply told you that the processor is bad ..
The hot air soldering is a very good option .. it is not uncommon for PDA's to stop working all of a sudden due to dry solder and a nice hot air can fix it well .. make sure you donot exceed the hot air temperature and resolder time ..
i donot expect an end user to have a hot air station .. so another option i can suggest is to visit other technicians .. and get more opinions .. but make sure that the technicians donot mess up with your device ..
if none of the technicians come with a solution .. and you have no options left .. you may ask the technician you trust most to try the hot air re-soldering to be done for you
@showlyshah
Thank you very much for your response. I will try your methods and see what i can get. It is my interest to fix with your methods (in this case i don't have to buy a new main board), but just in case if something goes wrong, does exist any place where i can buy then a used or maybe new main board??
And if yes how much does it cost approx.??
Now i want to ask you for something else. My battery is dead, i don't remember very good, but i think that my technician has try to turn on the phone directly from adapter with direct connection. (i hope very much if he doesn't broke anything with this).
Since my battery is dead, what kind of battery should i buy?? (i.e. how many amph. etc etc).
I want to thanks you in advance for your time and answers.
p.s. Can you kindly give me your e-mail, skype or msn or something, so we could chat or write directly. Many thanks.
Testing phone with an external power source may not work with all phones, teh 3rd battery pin BSI is also used by the phone to turn ON .. so if not turning ON with external supply is the reason the technician says it is bad .. he is wrong
The standard battery is 1490 mah i think .. but u better check behind your battery, there are batteries available with higher mah for longer battery life
a question about your old battery - how old is your battery, had it been too weak or couldnt be charged even before this problem (is your battery really dead)
.. has it been unused/drained for too long? how long is it not in use?
if a Li ion battery voltage falls below its lower threshold it will enter dormant state and wont charge with the normal charger
the solution is u need an external dc power supply where you can also control the output current
keep the voltage4 constant at about 4 volts and increase the current till you see a rise in the battery voltage (start with a few 100 milliamps and increase till 800 to 1000 milliamps)
if your battery is simply unused or left uncharged for too long this will help
once you have a good battery you can run additional tests on your PDA
BTW without a good battery how did you figure out that your PDA is bad ..
do you have a multimeter to measure your battery voltage directly
it is possible that all goes well after you have a good battery, All The Best!
@amu_cpln
Thanks very much for the explain. The battery is unused for 3 years, so it's practicaly dead (i've not give a try to fix it from three years because i thought i am not able to find a new processor or motherboard). When i send the phone to technician i thought that he might have somehow a new battery or maybe something else to turn on the pda and to see whats wrong.
I call that technician today and i asked him to describe me how he get that conclusion that the processor is dead and his response is:
I try to clean the phone inside and try to turn it on, since the battery is dead, i try to connect the phone directly with adapter (through direct connection with cables, i.e. like a car when you try to turn on with cables). He said also that when i try in that way, a red light it's turn on on both of sides (maybe just in the right side...he don't remember well).
Then he cames in that conclusion that the processor is dead.
Now after i read what you've write, i hope he doesn't mess up and destroy something when he gave a direct power supply.
I will try to find a new battery or someone who have xda lls, and then if doesn't work with a new battery i will try your methods as described.
Many thanks.
exactly, the lights he saw was just power lights (but the phone didnt turn ON because no proper battery was connected
dont worry about using the external supply .. it wont damage the phone as long as the correct polarity is used (which should be correct since he saw lights
yes, you should first look for a good battery .. and if you dont find one just let me know ..
i will tell you how to fake the BSI pin and start the phone from external power supply
i tried to find someone who have xda lls but unfortunately i didn't find anyone in my city. Can you tell me how can i try from external power?
Thanks in advance.
Also i think on the motherboard is missing something, vibrator and microphone, so i will need to buy those two (any webpage where to buy it will be very much help for me).
I will do some photo tomorrow and i will post so you might see what else is missing. ((((
I were before a year to another technician and i think he might stole or loose those things (
p.s. The bad thing is that i came from Kosova (Ballkan Country). And we do not have here any "very professional store".
I was also looking for more info about your XDA IIs failure and i found some useful info
your phone may really not turn ON with a good battery, the internal backup battery also needs to have a charge on it
At first you need to charge your internal battery .. (though it may not be in a good state) atleast to the level that it allows you to boot up
Do you have your docking station at hand, it shall be handy for this purpose
leave your XDA IIs on the docking station overnight to see if you can charge the internal battery
you also need to examine the internal battery if there is oxidation which prevents it from charging
You need the original battery to check for the polarity of your external power supply
check for + and - signs on the battery to find which pins on the phone are Positive and GND
Do you have an external power supply, in that case you could still try to revive your battery as told yesterday (using current source) to the extent that it can allow you to turn ON your PDA - You also need a multimeter to check if your battery is revived and good to use (atleast to boot a couple of times)
If your external battery fails to recover, You shall need to use the external power supply to boot your phone
I found XDA IIs power up pinout without battery at http://pinouts.ru/PDA/qtek_power_pinout.shtml but verify it with your battery first
Connect the Positive and GND with polarity as indicated on your battery and leave it for some time for your internal battery battery to gain charge
Your phone may still not boot correctly with all this power setup .. you need to boot it in Bootloader mode - power+reset+camera to start it in bootloader mode
Yes do make a picture of your main board and post here shall be useful to check
and Do let me know about your results
I found a battery to someone, i put the battery but it doesn't turn on. Now i think is for the reason of back up battery.
since the phone is not turned on from some time, the back up battery has no power. I let the "big" battery on it, maybe will charge the small (back up battery) and then would turn on. I will let for some time in this condition and will see what will happen.
If again it doesn't turn on, then i will buy new back up battery, but the question is can i use a "traditional" battery of that size, or it have to be a special back up battery????
Again if this will not work then i have to send to someone to heat the motherboard parts with a heater, and if unfortunately again doesn't work, then i would buy a new motherboard
Good !
Now that you have a good battery, you are a step ahead
But donot just leave the good battery in there .. it will drain much faster
Connect the charger to it .. or put it on the docking station so that the good battery retains its charge
I too shall look for possible replacements of the backup battery - will let u know as soon as find some info
From what i learn from you so far, i least doubt that the motherboard may be defective
Do u have a multimeter to measure the voltage on the backup battery
And remember when you sure that the backup battery is charged and is ok .. also try to boot into bootloader mode (power+reset+camera) since it is also possible that the PDA software is corrupt
Once it starts in bootloader mode you can flash to restore the software
Ok
I did what you told me, i also put the back up battery in multimeter and i found that the battery is dead, what i did is that i look for a battery with those diameters and i found the exact match, so i change it.
When i try to turn on, again hopeless nothing happen. Now i will recharge the big battery again and try again after a while.
I hope this time something will happen....and of course if nothing happen again i will try power+camera+reset button...hope this might work
I will post the results soon )
Hello,
I've try with good batteries but nothing happens , i try Power+reset+ photo button but again hopeless.
I uploaded photo of motherboard. please take a look and tell me if you might see something wrong.
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Hope that this might help me to fix something )
I also try to heat with hair dresser (fan) but nothing happen again. I will start again to think to buy a new or used one.
Anyone who has and will to sell it, please make your offer.
Sorry to keep you waiting soo long, i was away the last couple of days
was nice to know that you managed to get another battery
just a little doubtful about it, how much voltage was your new battery - the same shape battery can be available in various voltages
you may tell me the part number on its top if you dont know any specifications
the part number on your original battery too shall help .. i donot have the original battery speciications yet
and even if everythign is fine .. the bootloader boot shall take a few more tries. ..
the motherboard pics look good .. the hair dryer temperature is not high enough to melt teh solder ,, you need a resoldering station .. the one at a repair shop for soldering ic's
i shall try to look for other possible cause .. dont get any clues right now
Thanks dear,
the model of the battery i found is: PH26B (everything else is deleted...you know when you touch too much with fingers)
And the model of my own (damaged/dead) battery is:
For Dopod 700/XDA ll s
Rating: 3.7 VCD ---1900mAh
P/N: XDA ll S-BH
I will wait for your reply, thanks in advance
Besmir
Hello,
I have a question...i don't like to make stupid questions but..
I saw on the internet that the price of new Xda lls from O2, is approximately from 700 to 926 USD,
then i find this on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/O2-XDA-IIs-...16955?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2c628c359b
Is this phone in good working condition??? and is this a real price of this kind of phone these days??
besmir001 said:
Thanks dear,
the model of the battery i found is: PH26B (everything else is deleted...you know when you touch too much with fingers)
And the model of my own (damaged/dead) battery is:
For Dopod 700/XDA ll s
Rating: 3.7 VCD ---1900mAh
P/N: XDA ll S-BH
I will wait for your reply, thanks in advance
Besmir
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sorry for not being clear in my question, i meant to ask the part number of your round internal backup battery
yes the PH26B battery is correct and is meant for your XDA IIs
About the ebay phone, it looks lucrative to me too, but have never purchased a phone on ebay, so cant comment if it is good or bad one ..
to me atleast from the picture posted - it looks to be in good condition
About mother board, I can't help u, Cox I don't know it. About batt, ur internal batt is a rechargeable one, u may find same with mobile phone service centers,spare shopes( mobile spare) etc. But r u sure u used a fully charged batt?? Also check if ur comp can detect ur PDA via USB. A software problem too can cause same symptoms.
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The board seems to be OK, but can't notice if any damage has been caused, Cox f the fact that it is not a close-up photo. And so u should check it. By the way ur technician can't make that batt connection, as he told. Its more than 3 pin. Right?
U can do this. Disassemble ur old batt, it will contain a board with 2 points connected to batt cells, all u have to do is solder out the two points using two wires,after disconnecting the old cells from battery pack, connect it to external 5v DC charger with 1a current ensuring polarity. Then put the board so that the batt board will touch the mother boards batt contacts ( to be straight, fool the phone that u r using an original batt with charge by using a DC adapter. ). Check it.
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Hello guys,
I achieved something today, i have turned on the phone but its a blue screen, i am looking with a very good technician and he turned on.
Any idea why its a blue screen??? nothing happens just blue screen???
Waiting urgently for your reply )
thanks in advance
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I got a used wizard today,it is a few weeks old I also got a cradle with it.
I pluged in the cradle to the USB port and the charger to power, after playing with it for 1-2 hours I placed the wizard on the cradle to charge and after a few mins i noticed that it was over heating. I removed it from the cradle right away and noticed that the battery was droping 1% every minute or so. After it was down to 27% i removed the charger and left only the usb connection and placed the wizard on the cradle again. it was charging fine, when it was up to 90% removed it from the cradle and again was droping fast.
When it was down to around 25-30% of the battery I did a soft reset and since then I can never get it to start again also the red charging light does not show.
What the heck is wrong with it? I also get a light burning smell from the bottom of the wizard where the connector is located.
Any help?
I need your lights guys.
Don't like the sound of the light burning smell, that sounds like an electrical fault. It looks like your battery has died and the wizard battery setup is well known to do this. You need to plug it into the official mains charger (not the usb one) as this has an output of 1A, enough to kick start the wizard battery into life and start the charging. You need to wait a short while though before the light comes on. If this fails try to get a new battery and try that. Any more light burning smells and it needs to go back to the supplier.
I would suggest that you send it back to replace/repair. The rapid dropping of the battery power suggest that it is using power somewhere (illegally). I've heard cases of battery caught on fire, etc. and I won't suggest you to use it anymore until you sort out the 'burning' smell.
First of all thanks for your replys.
I pluged the charger on it and the red charging light came on after a while.
charged for over 6 hours and its still red? I think after been charged should change to green? right?
anyways after all that still doesnt want to turn on. I got it to start a couple of times but only to the point that shows the splash screen with the rom numbers and then it turns back off.
Should I give it a smash across the room on the wall? done that with some other things and worked just kiding.
Forgot to add that up to the point when i did the soft reset the device was working fine except the charge drop. Soft reset was done while it was working ( turned on)..... if thats any help.
i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info
fonec said:
i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info
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That ain't gonna do jack sh1t to it. If it can't start to get into bootloader, it can't flash....and it's not a flash issue.
Usually the red light means power but not charging - happens to my qtek 9100 when I let it get too flat and I have to remove and insert the battery while the mains adaptor is attached - others have to 'jump start' the battery by directly connecting to a PSU - I wouldn't do this with yours.
From what you have said it sounds like a short somewhere. Any signs of water damage? Warranty? What Wizard do you have and what country are you in?
Richard
I got the wiza 200 O2 xda mini S from a guy in UK from ebay. The idiot sold me a cradle for it with an adaptor that says 12V on it (Like an idiot that I am i just noticed that) but then again how am I supposed to think that he gave me an adaptor that its not made for it when it says on the back of it "for Imate - Kjam". Do you guys think thats what burned the **** out of the unit ?
dont forget that some times turns on shows the ROMS numbers and turns off.
No water damage... I think its on warranty... I live in Greece.
Might not be the cradle - it could be it steps down internally to 5v. Use a meter and check what it outputs to the phone. Warranty with XDA's are 2 years to the *original* purchaser. As they are only supplied with an airtime agreement then that isn't you.
Richard
have you tried changing batteries to a new one? Seriously, thats the easiest thing you could do right now and you could actually get results.
Ok this is what I did.
Removed the baterry from the device,
got a 12V 1 Amp power supply that I had lying around and give it a few shots connecting it to the battery giving it an electro shock.
(If you're going to try this be very carefull.<<<< DONT LEAVE the power supply connected to the battery>>>> just give it a few shots 1 second on and off.
That was it.
It started working, device turned on and now its charging (I think) yellow light is on.
I'm going to leave it on for a few hours and see what happens.
Wish me good luck. I'll let you know soon.
ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.
SmartMan said:
ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.
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Hey man, sorry to hear about that.
The best you can do is to claim your money from ebay.
You probably killed it when you pluged in the 12V PSU. That's 230% of the normal Volts! Otherwise sell it for parts.
I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.
SmartMan said:
I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.
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Doubt it. Did you ask the seller for help before opening the phone and voiding the original warranty on the device?
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ok... this is what happend.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
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Not a good idea IMO as now the blame is on you as previously he may have been able to get warranty service from the original vendor.
Richard
I did ask.
He is not the original buyer.
what was I suposed to do.... track back 2-3 buyers to find the original... send it to him so he can have it repaired? Anyway it was out of warranty because of the burned fuse that says that some other charger was used with it.
I had a similar thing happen but fortunately not as bad as yours. Twice now my battery has mysteriously drained completely. The last time when I tried to turn the unit on, it flashed the boot screen for a couple of seconds then poof, no more juice. When I plugged it into the USB port, nothing, no lights, no charge, no recognition from Activesync, I thought the unit was fried. I use Tmobile and got to admit they did send me a replacement fairly quickly. Before I packed up my unit I thought maybe I should plug it in using the wall charger and presto, it came on and is working fine. I have no idea what causes this but do know that if the battery is completely discharged the USB port can not over come this to put a charge on.
Same thing happened to me, kind of strange though. The charge was perhaps 70% to the best of my knowledge. I flashed it with Mr. Clean ROM and booted it up.. it came in fine into WM5, then it started the installation of the 3 progs or whatever comes with Mr. Clean.. after the second finished the unit just died *poff*. Screen blank, no responce to power buttons or any other buttons for that matter.
I've tried taking out the battery for different intervals of time, no luck. I've tried using the AC charger, no luck. No lights, sounds, telepathy or matrix ****.. it just lies there like a dummy phone.. hmm what to do. Bought it from a guy in UK (im in sweden) on eBay, don't think I will have much luck there.. even though it's brand new...
Any thouhgts?
I have had this problem - I bought a replacement battery and all is now fine. Another thread in this group states that the battery cannot charge without the OS up - so if the battery is completely discharged then it is impossible to charge through the phone. The only solution seems to be somehow to charge the battery directly - as appears to have been done earlier in this thread.
Chris
p.s. if anyone knows of another way to do it I'd be interested to hear as I'd like to revive my old battery and keep it as a spare
Having not use my exec for a bout a month I now find it will not start or take a charge (battery has 3.8v ) but it will not power up ,it is still in warranty BUT I have changed the rom ,so don’t know if o2 will repair it
If I use the wall charger a LED flashes on for about 1 second ,if I plug in to usb lead on pc (with battery removed) red led comes on any ideas appreciated
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Having not use my exec for a bout a month I now find it will not start or take a charge (battery has 3.8v ) but it will not power up ,it is still in warranty BUT I have changed the rom ,so don’t know if o2 will repair it
If I use the wall charger a LED flashes on for about 1 second ,if I plug in to usb lead on pc (with battery removed) red led comes on any ideas appreciated
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Problem indeed.... Firstly, I wish I could offer some constructive solutions, but afraid not.... it does sound like a worn battery, and maybe worth trying (or borrowing) another one to flash?
I take it as you refer to it as an 'Exec' that it is the O2 branded one? If it is, from my experience with the O2 technical support, they really don't have a clue. I would assume that they would send an exec straight to HTC for testing. It's a complete last resort, but if you were to tell them that your unit was dead and they were to take it in, they wouldn't be able to solve the problem before they sent it back to HTC. This is of course after you have clarified it's not just a dead battery cell.
Best of luck with the thread and hoping someone a bit more experienced can help.
So, let me get this straight, your universal does not turn on (and by turn on I mean that you see the familiar wm5 screen with your apps, etc.), no matter what have you done, and the only way to have the charging led on is by connecting it to USB port with the battery removed?
If this is the case, you might have a dead internal battery charging/power supply circuit, i have repaired some old Ipaqs with this failure, most of them failed due to a defective battery, easily recognized by overheating when the unit was placed in charge, usually the overheating increased slowly in time (months usually).
I don't want to be misunderstood, but all these devices have a way of turning of the LCD backlight, a long pressure on the on button does this, it can restores with the same long pressure, see if this is not your case.
If you have some electrical problem with your PDA you might take it to repair or you could try to do it yourself -if you're able to do it obviously-.
Anyway, try to get yourself another battery (you might ask for it to someone else with a uni), put it on and see.
I'm also assuming that you have tried to hard reset your device.
good luck
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So, let me get this straight, your universal does not turn on (and by turn on I mean that you see the familiar wm5 screen with your apps, etc.), no matter what have you done, and the only way to have the charging led on is by connecting it to USB port with the battery remo....
good luck
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Look maybe this will give you some hope. Yesterday I took my Htc Typhon (smartphone) after a long time, the battery was die. I tried to charge via usb, and nothings happened, then I tried to use a usb charger and nothing happened neither. Finally I charged the battery alone on an universal battery charger and after 30 minutes my phone was alive again.
Hope it will help you!
Felipe
kecido said:
So, let me get this straight, your universal does not turn on (and by turn on I mean that you see the familiar wm5 screen with your apps, etc.), no matter what have you done, and the only way to have the charging led on is by connecting it to USB port with the battery removed?
If this is the case, you might have a dead internal battery charging/power supply circuit, i have repaired some old Ipaqs with this failure, most of them failed due to a defective battery, easily recognized by overheating when the unit was placed in charge, usually the overheating increased slowly in time (months usually).
I don't want to be misunderstood, but all these devices have a way of turning of the LCD backlight, a long pressure on the on button does this, it can restores with the same long pressure, see if this is not your case.
If you have some electrical problem with your PDA you might take it to repair or you could try to do it yourself -if you're able to do it obviously-.
Anyway, try to get yourself another battery (you might ask for it to someone else with a uni), put it on and see.
I'm also assuming that you have tried to hard reset your device.
good luck
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thanks for all the help
1 it will not turn or power ,no led no screen
2 battery dose get hot when charging
3 screen has not been dimmed
its back at o2 shop now we will see if they repair it and ill report back !!!!!!!!!
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Look maybe this will give you some hope. Yesterday I took my Htc Typhon (smartphone) after a long time, the battery was die. I tried to charge via usb, and nothings happened, then I tried to use a usb charger and nothing happened neither. Finally I charged the battery alone on an universal battery charger and after 30 minutes my phone was alive again.
Hope it will help you!
Felipe
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hi thanks for the reply i have had the same on a m600 ,would not charge from usb or car kit but did start with mains charger
i have tryed hard reset but it will not do that either
battery is stuck at 3.7v even after trying to discharge it with a small bulb
thanks
John...
This is something I've had happen in the past.
Try taking the battery out, and put it into a ziplock back, and place it in the freezer for a few hours. I know, I know, it sounds ridiculous. But sometimes, just sometimes, it will reactivate the cells, and you'll be able to charge it after that.
well done o2 uk
well as said before took my phone back to the O2 shop and sent it off to the service centre. The report came back that the main board US .not only did i get a new exec but But a new boxed one and a full set of all original parts !!
i had this problem when i first got my SPV m5000..i took it to the orange shop...(the people where nice) they kept it for few testing and said...
battary was faulty...so they gave me a new battery XD
Hi,
Sorry, this is not a development question per se, but is the Hermes supposed to power on without a battery when plugged in with a wall charger?
I get a red light on the top-right, but the unit doesn't power on. Maybe I have a defective unit. I have the Cingular branded version.
defective unit
yes u have a defective unit.
I suggest you box it back up and take it back to the place you bought it as your to stupid to only this glorious phone.
?
I think you were trying to insult me with your poor grammar?
Yes
You can use the phone without the batter while plugged in. You have to follow these steps exactly...
1. get a a glass of whater.
2. wrap tin foil around your finger.
3. plug in the charger and connect it to the phone. make sure you leave the back of the phone exposed.
4. place your finger with the tin foil on it in the glas of water.
5. touch your tongue to the gold batter contacts on the back of the phone and press the power button.
This method will work..
Good luck.
Sorry man this is not possible. I checked just now coz I never bothered to do it before but today i looked on your question and tested it but nope it is not booting up. Just the red light. So u need the battery to use it.
Some people tries to increase their posts on the forum to become members from junior members. So don't mind and don't become one of them coz you are new to this forum so just be creative and straight. Hope u don't mind if u found my wordings hard.
beastfellow said:
Sorry man this is not possible. I checked just now coz I never bothered to do it before but today i looked on your question and tested it but nope it is not booting up. Just the red light. So u need the battery to use it.
Some people tries to increase their posts on the forum to become members from junior members. So don't mind and don't become one of them coz you are new to this forum so just be creative and straight. Hope u don't mind if u found my wordings hard.
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A good answer - unlike some of our "funny" guys above.
Mike
ok fair point, was just a bit of fun, but why would you want to use the phone without the battery installed and just plugged in?
i believe all mobile phone from htc tend to be able to do this.
Thanks beastfellow
Confirmed. Just tested and neither of my Hermes will start without a battery
all my Hermes work without a battery!
I just plug them in when testing them out or whatever as I don't always want to have the bulk of a battery on them sometimes, and they still boot up and run ok. Must be a lot of faulty Hermes out there.
It shouldn't start without the battery as the battery is an integral part of the device. If anyone's device truly does start without a battery attached -- which I doubt -- there's something wrong with it. Also, I'm not sure why someone would go through all the bother of pulling the battery out only to then plug it in and use it on AC power.
Reading some of the questions here it's become apparent that some people try to do really odd things with this thing only to think something is wrong when it doesn't work as they want it to. It might not be bad advice to read the user's manual to learn about how PDA Phones are supposed to be used, and instead of acting shocked when they don't work outside of those parameters just accepting the device's limitations.
I know we live in postmodern times where everyone has the freedom to define their own realities, but some of you take this a bit too far. There is at least one question a day here where someone is upset or confused by these things not doing what they were never intended to do.
hmmm... it may be based on the charger itself. I haven't tried any of mine yet (will check later today) but I wonder no battery powerup has something to do with using the stock Hermes charger (1Amp) v.s. others
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hmmm... it may be based on the charger itself. I haven't tried any of mine yet (will check later today) but I wonder no battery powerup has something to do with using the stock Hermes charger (1Amp) v.s. others
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You may be correct. I tried with a USB connection as I was reading the post on the computer. Will try later with the charger at home.
I read somewhere in wiki about fix white boot up screen. One of the ways to fix it was to take out the battery and use the wall charger... However, when i tried it, it didnt work... so i juz hard reset it and it worked =) might be the reason why he is asking about the battery thing... for all the spammer with post counts... lol sad
Tried my 8525 with 1Amp charger & no battery. Got red (not orange) charging indicator and it wouldn't boot. HTH!
heat
the only reason you would want your hermes to boot up with the battery is say for example, you were going to use it as a modem via usb.
we all know that the phone doesnt get hot, the only thing that heats the whole thing up is the battery.
So to get extra life out of your hermes and keep it cooler, run it without a battery!
I would surmise that circuitry in the battery (if the unit got too hot) would reset the phone to prevent the thing fom setting itself on fire.
Hi everybody,
I almost always managed to find answers on xda-developers to problems or wishes I had when tinkering with my phone.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a solution for this one and hence my first post:
I always keep a fully charged spare battery with me just in case I run out of juice and I can't recharge.
However, when I exchange the run down battery by the full one, my battery status doesn't change and the phone switches off after a short while.
So far the only thing that works is briefly plugging in the phone with the replaced battery in it which will update battery status to 100% charge.
Obviously, this defeats the purpose of carrying a spare one around.
Is there a way I can force winmo to reset the battery status or another way to resolve it?
I don't mind if I have to rummage around in the registry if necessary.
Thanks in advance.
Litening
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Sony Experia X1
ROM v. 1.03.937.6 (latest one released by Sony Ericsson)
Battery applications running: BattteryStatus Today-Plugin v. 1.05.146 beta7
tat is the case with some batteries.. i have 3 batteries and only 1 that is acting that way.. all u need to do is carry a usb plug.. just plug it in when u are at work or anytin just for 30secs it will update to its full status.. or u can buy another battery so u get at least 2 battery that works..
Thanks Cutefox,
That sounds like a simple but effective solution.
I will try it next time I replace my battery.
the weird thing is that it does it with Ericsson's original battery.
Nevertheless, I may not always have such a plug on me.
There must be a trigger though when the USB plug is inserted.
If we know how WinMo recognises a USB plug has been inserted (maybe a switch in the registry), we can fool it into thinking it was inserted, and I wouldn't have to carry a plug around.
Any other suggestions?
litening said:
Thanks Cutefox,
That sounds like a simple but effective solution.
I will try it next time I replace my battery.
the weird thing is that it does it with Ericsson's original battery.
Nevertheless, I may not always have such a plug on me.
There must be a trigger though when the USB plug is inserted.
If we know how WinMo recognises a USB plug has been inserted (maybe a switch in the registry), we can fool it into thinking it was inserted, and I wouldn't have to carry a plug around.
Any other suggestions?
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nah.. its not about the plug.. its more of the voltage.. there is a trigger sumwer in the battery that switches on when you charged full. the thing is if you use a non-official charger like battery clip charger which im using, it is not as smart as the official SE charger/usb plug.. i think its due to the battery being charge outside of the phone too.. in the beginning it was always doing it so i thought my battery is faulty.. but after awhile, even charging it through the battery clip charger i sometimes come up with full battery.. so i got no idea why this happen.. another thing that could help is once u boot the phone up and it says its empty battery/low battery, do a software softreset.. that sometimes trigger the switch and turn on the true battery power for me.. only on stubborn times that i need to use the usb plug.
Thanks Cutefox.
I understand that in this case WinMo can't change the battery status without at least a minor external charge.
Let me ask you this. What eventually switches off the phone?
Is it the battery's power management chip that cuts further power to the phone, or does WinMo cut the power when the battery status reports 0% remaining charge.
In the letter case I could write a script telling WinMo to ignore the power warning for a predefined time, which should allow me to reach a power outlet.
i never tried tat b4.. but usually if its 0%.. there are times when i used xperia for extensively heavy usage and it suddenly shuts off on me while battery is still abt 20%.. i cant remember if its this battery as well.. since i always bring more than 2 battery it does not really bothers me as i got another battery to sustain.. but from what i recalled is not the windows mob status report warning that shuts it off.. more of the battery power itself..
Thanks Cutefox,
I guess I'll have to get one of those penlite powered emergency chargers to kickstart my battery for now.
In the mean time I'll continue looking for alternative solutions and report them here if I find them.
Does anybody else have ideas?
excuse my curiousity, but how the hell do you guys get the phone to stay on while you swap the battery? As soon as I take my battery out, even if the phone is in standby, it loses all power and cold boots upon putting it back in and powering on...just wondering as it sounds like a more viable option now to carry a spare batt!
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excuse my curiousity, but how the hell do you guys get the phone to stay on while you swap the battery? As soon as I take my battery out, even if the phone is in standby, it loses all power and cold boots upon putting it back in and powering on...just wondering as it sounds like a more viable option now to carry a spare batt!
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of course you power the phone down in the first place before you swap it. you cannot swap it while its on. well u can and it will turn off but that is pure stuffing up the phone. never do it to any fone as per advised by a sony ericsson repair guy as it stuffed some of the IC chip inside. always power down before changing battery likewise any other electronic device..
litening said:
Thanks Cutefox,
I guess I'll have to get one of those penlite powered emergency chargers to kickstart my battery for now.
In the mean time I'll continue looking for alternative solutions and report them here if I find them.
Does anybody else have ideas?
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hey does those emergency chargers work to jump start it?? let me know if it does.. sounds like a brilliant idea, would be easy to use when u are on the go.. i might get one seeing that they are pretty cheap too..
Cutefox,
I'll try and let you know as soon as I get around to buying one and the situation re-occurs.
Cheers!
Litening
Hello people,
I have problem with my Samsung Edge 7 and please if you can just tell me what can be a problem and on which way should I go to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much. No need for step by step solution just tell me what can I do except send it to Samsung repair shop or recycle it. I will take it apart by myself if needed but I don't have a clue which part should I look to replace or what.
So... the problem is that I manage to charge the device one day when it don't want to charge and after that I managed to turn it on. Everything was working fine, didn't try anything much just unlock screen and put it to sleep.
After that I turned it off so it don't consume battery while I would be able to backup my data. When I was able to do backup I turned it on and it powered up normal so I proceed to backup my contacts (export to SD card).
When the export finishes phone just froze and I have to turn it off with POWER + VOLUME DOWN button combo.
After that few times when I try to power it on it just froze on boot up logo and I turned it off that few times with the same button combination as before. Until it don't want to power on anymore. So I tried to put it on charger to see if anything will happen, and nothing did.
I just left it to sit on my desk and I noticed that the phone is heating but I got no reaction at all from the phone (powering on or charging)
The day after when the battery was drained obviously I managed to charge it up again but when I power it on after it got to 100% charge it froze again and there goes same procedure as before (button combination restart, no response, heating, battery dead, charging...)
So now I can't even charge it anymore and I took out SD card to check if my contacts are there at least. But nothing, that contacts vcf file is not even saved on SD card even I choose that option when exporting my contacts.
Now I don't know what else to do since my phone wont even charge or power on and I would like to backup my data at least and then I can recycle it if I must.
So please if you have a clue just tell me where can I look at what can I try to do.
Thank you in advance and have a nice day
some of sgs has these problem. The motherboard is broke, i had same problem and sent to samsung service, they changed motherboard. I guess it's related to cpu temp sensor, inside the cpu.
Thank you Ganjax for your reply. That was the thing I was afraid of. So all my data goes away with motherboard?
I will wait few more days with some replies even I find your very useful and accurate since you had the same problem.
hey I also have the same issue, putting the phone in the freezer and letting it freeze makes it so that it can turn on for only 5minutes or till when it drops back to room temperature hopefully this will be enough to get your photos back.
millkyway4 thank you for you reply.
I am not in a possibility to try your method because I disassemble my phone and striped down battery for research purposes.
Neither I think that those 5 minutes will be enough to transfer all my data but if I ever reassemble my phone I will give it a shot.
So... Considering my research and striping down the battery the things goes like this (if someone is interested in this topic):
I disassemble the phone and remove the battery. Battery is connected on motherboard by some connector that I don't know the name or type, so if someone knows I would like to know too.
Since I couldn't find positive and negative lead on that connector (because of microscopic leads) little bit down on flat cable, near the battery, I removed coating and manage to find leads and measure voltage of the battery to confirm positive and negative lead.
By the measurements I assume that battery voltage is fine (~3.7V), but when I connect it to external charger which have built in ampere meter the battery doesn't charge as other batteries and ampere meter readings vary by 100mA +/- I set up to be initial charge. In normal case when I charge batteries amperes only goes down by the time the battery charges so I find this event an anomaly.
Since that is the case I removed the chip (from which the flat cable is coming out) that is on the battery assuming that it is causing that anomaly. Leaving the battery with only positive and negative lead that I connected and also measure and put on my external charger. But the same thing happens as with chip, or what is called, on the battery.
Going further with my research I cut down flat cable from battery chip (electronics) and connect positive and negative lead, I found before, directly on my charger on which I adjust voltage on ~3.75 volts and connect the connector with flat cable back to motherboard. So you probably see what I did here but if you don't the research I want to conduct is that my external charger acts as battery for the phone and I try to power it on like that.
In this case ampere meter shows 0 since the current which is flowing trough the phone is none. After I am sure that this is the case I tried to power on my phone with connected external charger like that and my ampere meter shown a current draw of 100-200mA on the POWER button pressed but the phone doesn't turn on.
So now I need someone with a little bit better knowledge of the phone, batteries, working order and type of connections like this to tell me what did I do right and wrong so I can prove that Ganjax statement, and my assumption, that motherboard is dead is really correct.
Ganjax don't mean I don't believe you or something, I appreciate your reply, this is just for research purposes because I would like to play with this stuff and that is the things that interest me.
And if there is some "fanatic" like that to tell me what can I do next and try or point out what should I do and don't make next please leave a comment and we can discuss this matter together and find out something about this case.
Thank you all and have a nice day