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My is Wizard Dead. Please help

I got a used wizard today,it is a few weeks old I also got a cradle with it.
I pluged in the cradle to the USB port and the charger to power, after playing with it for 1-2 hours I placed the wizard on the cradle to charge and after a few mins i noticed that it was over heating. I removed it from the cradle right away and noticed that the battery was droping 1% every minute or so. After it was down to 27% i removed the charger and left only the usb connection and placed the wizard on the cradle again. it was charging fine, when it was up to 90% removed it from the cradle and again was droping fast.
When it was down to around 25-30% of the battery I did a soft reset and since then I can never get it to start again also the red charging light does not show.
What the heck is wrong with it? I also get a light burning smell from the bottom of the wizard where the connector is located.
Any help?
I need your lights guys.

Don't like the sound of the light burning smell, that sounds like an electrical fault. It looks like your battery has died and the wizard battery setup is well known to do this. You need to plug it into the official mains charger (not the usb one) as this has an output of 1A, enough to kick start the wizard battery into life and start the charging. You need to wait a short while though before the light comes on. If this fails try to get a new battery and try that. Any more light burning smells and it needs to go back to the supplier.

I would suggest that you send it back to replace/repair. The rapid dropping of the battery power suggest that it is using power somewhere (illegally). I've heard cases of battery caught on fire, etc. and I won't suggest you to use it anymore until you sort out the 'burning' smell.

First of all thanks for your replys.
I pluged the charger on it and the red charging light came on after a while.
charged for over 6 hours and its still red? I think after been charged should change to green? right?
anyways after all that still doesnt want to turn on. I got it to start a couple of times but only to the point that shows the splash screen with the rom numbers and then it turns back off.
Should I give it a smash across the room on the wall? done that with some other things and worked just kiding.

Forgot to add that up to the point when i did the soft reset the device was working fine except the charge drop. Soft reset was done while it was working ( turned on)..... if thats any help.

i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info

fonec said:
i thinking u need flash phone with jafwm
and here u will find 3 flashs
www.gsm-support.info
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That ain't gonna do jack sh1t to it. If it can't start to get into bootloader, it can't flash....and it's not a flash issue.
Usually the red light means power but not charging - happens to my qtek 9100 when I let it get too flat and I have to remove and insert the battery while the mains adaptor is attached - others have to 'jump start' the battery by directly connecting to a PSU - I wouldn't do this with yours.
From what you have said it sounds like a short somewhere. Any signs of water damage? Warranty? What Wizard do you have and what country are you in?
Richard

I got the wiza 200 O2 xda mini S from a guy in UK from ebay. The idiot sold me a cradle for it with an adaptor that says 12V on it (Like an idiot that I am i just noticed that) but then again how am I supposed to think that he gave me an adaptor that its not made for it when it says on the back of it "for Imate - Kjam". Do you guys think thats what burned the **** out of the unit ?
dont forget that some times turns on shows the ROMS numbers and turns off.

No water damage... I think its on warranty... I live in Greece.

Might not be the cradle - it could be it steps down internally to 5v. Use a meter and check what it outputs to the phone. Warranty with XDA's are 2 years to the *original* purchaser. As they are only supplied with an airtime agreement then that isn't you.
Richard

have you tried changing batteries to a new one? Seriously, thats the easiest thing you could do right now and you could actually get results.

Ok this is what I did.
Removed the baterry from the device,
got a 12V 1 Amp power supply that I had lying around and give it a few shots connecting it to the battery giving it an electro shock.
(If you're going to try this be very carefull.<<<< DONT LEAVE the power supply connected to the battery>>>> just give it a few shots 1 second on and off.
That was it.
It started working, device turned on and now its charging (I think) yellow light is on.
I'm going to leave it on for a few hours and see what happens.
Wish me good luck. I'll let you know soon.

ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.

SmartMan said:
ok... this is what happend.
Battery is drained and its not charging due to a blown fust on the main board.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
Still does not charge. ^%$#%$#$^%$*
Before I replaced the fuse or should i say short it the yellow light would come on for a few min and then red again. Now when I charge the battery with another external power supply the pda comes on for a few mins and then dies again. ( no charging light whatsoever).
Does anyone know where to get a mainboard for it and about how much it costs?
Asking for help again.
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Hey man, sorry to hear about that.
The best you can do is to claim your money from ebay.
You probably killed it when you pluged in the 12V PSU. That's 230% of the normal Volts! Otherwise sell it for parts.

I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.

SmartMan said:
I'm in the process of claiming the money back from the IDIOT that sold it to me.
Lets see if that part of Ebay works as good.
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Doubt it. Did you ask the seller for help before opening the phone and voiding the original warranty on the device?
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ok... this is what happend.
I open the phone and placed and solder a little wire over the fuse.
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Not a good idea IMO as now the blame is on you as previously he may have been able to get warranty service from the original vendor.
Richard

I did ask.
He is not the original buyer.
what was I suposed to do.... track back 2-3 buyers to find the original... send it to him so he can have it repaired? Anyway it was out of warranty because of the burned fuse that says that some other charger was used with it.

I had a similar thing happen but fortunately not as bad as yours. Twice now my battery has mysteriously drained completely. The last time when I tried to turn the unit on, it flashed the boot screen for a couple of seconds then poof, no more juice. When I plugged it into the USB port, nothing, no lights, no charge, no recognition from Activesync, I thought the unit was fried. I use Tmobile and got to admit they did send me a replacement fairly quickly. Before I packed up my unit I thought maybe I should plug it in using the wall charger and presto, it came on and is working fine. I have no idea what causes this but do know that if the battery is completely discharged the USB port can not over come this to put a charge on.

Same thing happened to me, kind of strange though. The charge was perhaps 70% to the best of my knowledge. I flashed it with Mr. Clean ROM and booted it up.. it came in fine into WM5, then it started the installation of the 3 progs or whatever comes with Mr. Clean.. after the second finished the unit just died *poff*. Screen blank, no responce to power buttons or any other buttons for that matter.
I've tried taking out the battery for different intervals of time, no luck. I've tried using the AC charger, no luck. No lights, sounds, telepathy or matrix ****.. it just lies there like a dummy phone.. hmm what to do. Bought it from a guy in UK (im in sweden) on eBay, don't think I will have much luck there.. even though it's brand new...
Any thouhgts?

I have had this problem - I bought a replacement battery and all is now fine. Another thread in this group states that the battery cannot charge without the OS up - so if the battery is completely discharged then it is impossible to charge through the phone. The only solution seems to be somehow to charge the battery directly - as appears to have been done earlier in this thread.
Chris
p.s. if anyone knows of another way to do it I'd be interested to hear as I'd like to revive my old battery and keep it as a spare

backup battery level has been disappeared!

Hi to all, and thank to moderators to keep this usefull site alive.
My jasjar was working good but nowadays it suddenly goes off and wont return untill the recharger connect. when plugging the recharger the red led turns on for about 30 seconds and then the phone comes on with yellow led turned on, and when I check the battery levels usually shows the main battery 100% has been charged and the backup battery level has been disappeared!
and after completing the charge process the led turns off instead of turning to green.
I have flashed it with the latest arabic rom and cleaned all necessary parts of mainboard with electronic contact cleaner. I have also measured the backup battery power on the board and it shows about 2.5 v that I think its ok. any idea is welcomed.

How old is your device?
Almost everyone experiences similar symptoms after 5-6 months, and then the battery dies. I haven't had the backup battery disappearing though...
If it still has the warranty(which I doubt after flashing a ROM...), you should have the provider change the batteries. If the warranty is still void, they can still order a new battery, but it will cost you a bit.
Good luck!

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How old is your device?
Almost everyone experiences similar symptoms after 5-6 months, and then the battery dies. I haven't had ....
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I appriciate your attention. Unfortunatly the warranty period has been expired, and I have tested 2 other jasjar original batteries (from friends) but still the problem exist.

I appreciate the appreciation.
if that's the case, you might want to take it to a repair shop, because this might mean a problem with the battery control or power routing circuits, and I don't think anyone should meddle with those, except maybe the designers...maybe the guys in the shop can do something, like a new motherboard , battery, or something.
Good luck in getting it up and running again!

Please Help - Tytn won't charge!

hi every1,
i kno theres some very clever guys on this forum as many of my past problems i have been able 2 find fixes for. I hav searched the web but can't find much info on my latest problem and the info i hav found hasnt been very useful.
The problem i have is that a couple of days ago i put my tytn on charge when i returned to hopefully find it fully charged it had totally run out of battery and wouldn't turn on. with a bit of trial and error i managed 2 get it to turn on for a bit when plugged in - looked at the power meter and it said 0%. my first thought was that it must be a battery fault so i bought a new battery but i still can't charge my phone. I've tried it plugged into the mains and also through usb connection to my laptop and both have the same effect.
the problem has really puzzled me because i am able to transfer files through usb but cannot charge the phone. when i plug it in i initially get a red light but that soon turns to flashing amber lights and does not charge - i can turn it on with the new battery but it only has 50% left. i have already resorted to a hard reset and this did not fix my problem.
i would be greatful for any help or comments on my problem as i think its rather unique due to the lack of info on it.
i have an O2 XDA Trion (tytn) and it is running WM6 which i flashed myself but it is the official opperator update.
personally i feel this is a hardware issue, if anyone knows where i can get it repaired then that would be a great help too, i may try to take it back to O2 but i dont think they will be interested as i hav had it for about a year and i am now on orange but using the tytn.
cant wait 2 hear from u, thanks in advance for any help/suggestions.
Matt.

Some things to try:
http://michael-channon.spaces.live...._c=BlogPart&partqs=cat=Hermes+Charging+Issues
NB. The rocking the battery on and off the contacts mentioned in the above link, is more of a TyTn II trick but it may work with the Hermes.
Assuming one of the gold battery connector pins onthe Hermes is not disconnected then what you are trying to do with these tricks (to put it crudely) is to reset the charging circuit that seems to have a habit of getting "stuck". Incidentally this is a problem that seems to affect many phones by different manufacturers.
Mike

A perhaps first solution that has worked for me in the past. While it may seem elementary... perhaps the pins on your usb port are dirty. When I had my palm, I pretty much had to clean the bottom pins with a needle almost every time I wanted to sync, since they got a little grimey and didnt make a good connection. Try taking out the battery, and very lightly taking a needle and seeing if there is dirt or grime on the connections. Then blow on the port really hard (even better, use a can of compressed air) and see if that solves it.
Can't hurt to try
-Jotek

in reply to mike
thanks for the suggestion. hav tried these several times and had no joy, my phone does register a battery because the red light goes away when i put the battery in but there is no amber charge light just an amber light that flashes every 2-3 secs. do you kno anything else i could try or do u kno somewhere that may be able 2 fix it if its a hardware issue? thanks. matt.
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i will try this as i wont do any harm but i cant see it helping much as i am able to transfer files accross usb no problem so i dont think theres any problem with the connection. thanks for the suggestion though. wish i knew more about how the phone works lol.

all ok now
just to let people know, i wasn't able to find anyway of getting it to charge again so have taken it back to O2 and was supprised to find it was still under manufacturers warranty so thay have sent it off for repair free of charge can take up to 2 weeks they said - what's the bets that its longer than that
Thanks for the previous suggestions

You mean your PC can read your phone,but your phone's battery cannot be charged somehow. Even the power is left 50 percent,you still cannot start your phone? It is strange. Have you try use the charger connect to your phone? Maybe there is something wrong whit a component about the pover switch.

Experia: Battery status doesn´t update when inserting fully charged battery

Hi everybody,
I almost always managed to find answers on xda-developers to problems or wishes I had when tinkering with my phone.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a solution for this one and hence my first post:
I always keep a fully charged spare battery with me just in case I run out of juice and I can't recharge.
However, when I exchange the run down battery by the full one, my battery status doesn't change and the phone switches off after a short while.
So far the only thing that works is briefly plugging in the phone with the replaced battery in it which will update battery status to 100% charge.
Obviously, this defeats the purpose of carrying a spare one around.
Is there a way I can force winmo to reset the battery status or another way to resolve it?
I don't mind if I have to rummage around in the registry if necessary.
Thanks in advance.
Litening
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Sony Experia X1
ROM v. 1.03.937.6 (latest one released by Sony Ericsson)
Battery applications running: BattteryStatus Today-Plugin v. 1.05.146 beta7

tat is the case with some batteries.. i have 3 batteries and only 1 that is acting that way.. all u need to do is carry a usb plug.. just plug it in when u are at work or anytin just for 30secs it will update to its full status.. or u can buy another battery so u get at least 2 battery that works..

Thanks Cutefox,
That sounds like a simple but effective solution.
I will try it next time I replace my battery.
the weird thing is that it does it with Ericsson's original battery.
Nevertheless, I may not always have such a plug on me.
There must be a trigger though when the USB plug is inserted.
If we know how WinMo recognises a USB plug has been inserted (maybe a switch in the registry), we can fool it into thinking it was inserted, and I wouldn't have to carry a plug around.
Any other suggestions?

litening said:
Thanks Cutefox,
That sounds like a simple but effective solution.
I will try it next time I replace my battery.
the weird thing is that it does it with Ericsson's original battery.
Nevertheless, I may not always have such a plug on me.
There must be a trigger though when the USB plug is inserted.
If we know how WinMo recognises a USB plug has been inserted (maybe a switch in the registry), we can fool it into thinking it was inserted, and I wouldn't have to carry a plug around.
Any other suggestions?
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nah.. its not about the plug.. its more of the voltage.. there is a trigger sumwer in the battery that switches on when you charged full. the thing is if you use a non-official charger like battery clip charger which im using, it is not as smart as the official SE charger/usb plug.. i think its due to the battery being charge outside of the phone too.. in the beginning it was always doing it so i thought my battery is faulty.. but after awhile, even charging it through the battery clip charger i sometimes come up with full battery.. so i got no idea why this happen.. another thing that could help is once u boot the phone up and it says its empty battery/low battery, do a software softreset.. that sometimes trigger the switch and turn on the true battery power for me.. only on stubborn times that i need to use the usb plug.

Thanks Cutefox.
I understand that in this case WinMo can't change the battery status without at least a minor external charge.
Let me ask you this. What eventually switches off the phone?
Is it the battery's power management chip that cuts further power to the phone, or does WinMo cut the power when the battery status reports 0% remaining charge.
In the letter case I could write a script telling WinMo to ignore the power warning for a predefined time, which should allow me to reach a power outlet.

i never tried tat b4.. but usually if its 0%.. there are times when i used xperia for extensively heavy usage and it suddenly shuts off on me while battery is still abt 20%.. i cant remember if its this battery as well.. since i always bring more than 2 battery it does not really bothers me as i got another battery to sustain.. but from what i recalled is not the windows mob status report warning that shuts it off.. more of the battery power itself..

Thanks Cutefox,
I guess I'll have to get one of those penlite powered emergency chargers to kickstart my battery for now.
In the mean time I'll continue looking for alternative solutions and report them here if I find them.
Does anybody else have ideas?

excuse my curiousity, but how the hell do you guys get the phone to stay on while you swap the battery? As soon as I take my battery out, even if the phone is in standby, it loses all power and cold boots upon putting it back in and powering on...just wondering as it sounds like a more viable option now to carry a spare batt!

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excuse my curiousity, but how the hell do you guys get the phone to stay on while you swap the battery? As soon as I take my battery out, even if the phone is in standby, it loses all power and cold boots upon putting it back in and powering on...just wondering as it sounds like a more viable option now to carry a spare batt!
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of course you power the phone down in the first place before you swap it. you cannot swap it while its on. well u can and it will turn off but that is pure stuffing up the phone. never do it to any fone as per advised by a sony ericsson repair guy as it stuffed some of the IC chip inside. always power down before changing battery likewise any other electronic device..

litening said:
Thanks Cutefox,
I guess I'll have to get one of those penlite powered emergency chargers to kickstart my battery for now.
In the mean time I'll continue looking for alternative solutions and report them here if I find them.
Does anybody else have ideas?
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hey does those emergency chargers work to jump start it?? let me know if it does.. sounds like a brilliant idea, would be easy to use when u are on the go.. i might get one seeing that they are pretty cheap too..

Cutefox,
I'll try and let you know as soon as I get around to buying one and the situation re-occurs.
Cheers!
Litening

CHARGING ISSUE - shouldi be worried?

I bought a second hand HD2, however it arrived with a third-party chinese battery. I contacted the seller who apologised and said that battery was a replacement because the original didn't hold a good charge, and he would send the original through the post. The battery however was fully charged so I flashed all the neccessary files and installed NAND Android (my reason for buying it in the first place), however today - the same day it arrived - I noticed that the orange charge light was going off, usually when the phone screen went off. This necessitated plugging the USB lead back in again, and within sometimes less than a minute the same problem would occur. I have checked the battery prongs, reset the the phone, changed USB settings etc and the problem persists.
Just wondered of I should be worried...I am unable to find an identical problem to this on the forums so I'm assuming it's not a ROM issue. I am currently using the Desire port from DFT.
Would a cheap Chinese battery demonstrate this sort of problem?
The seller says he never had an issue of charging the phone.
My next resort is to flash Windows Mobile back on, but I'm at work and a bit anxious so was hoping for someone with some experience to reassure me!
All USB syncing etc works fine...it is literally just charging that's the issue.

Maybe it's your USB that's faulty. I had a faulty usb that would go on and off sometimes too. However I don't see why the battery would affect the LED light, as the battery has to be connected to the phone for it to stay on, and so the battery can't be losing it's connection with the phone randomly, so it's either your usb cord, or the port.
Word of advice, don't let your phone lose power cuz of the faulty charging. I assume you know that MAGLDR doesn't let you charge the phone while off, so a dead battery in our case, is a dead phone. Happened to me once cuz of my usb, luckily there was still a small amount of charge left after i took the battery out and placed it back in.

It's definitely not the cable as I've used an official HTC charger with it which does exactly the same thing. I've also tried with a Samsung MicroUSB charger from my Galaxy S

Maybe it's the usb port then... That's the worst case scenario because you'd have to get the whole motherboard replaced...
However if in winmo you don't experience the problems, then it was just some software problems, so try a different radio and build, and see if they work.
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Or maybe it's the LED that's faulty. (never heard of such a situation but anything is possible) >.>
Does it still charge even if the LED is not orange/on?

Thing is though I can pretty much get it to stay charging if I don't let it lock and the screen go off? Could this still be a problem with the USB port? I'm getting worried now as I don't like the hassle of sending things back through eBay. I'm wondering if the seller bought a spare battery thinking it was just a battery problem and isn't telling the whole story. Foolishly I didn't test the device with Windows Mobile, I just went straight into flashing as I had put Android on my friend's HD2 the other day in exactly the same way...his is even an ex Virgin Mobile phone like this one. Needless to say, he is having no charging issues.

Dude dont worry , the problem is the battery ! i got two chinese battery ones and both cant charge with the phone, i have to use eksternal charger Dont worry the red and orange led flashes constantly when i try to charge it
Just buy a cheap charger from ebay , and buy a oem htc hd2 battery

Hi thanks for your reply. Mine doesn't flash red and orange though: the orange light comes on as normal and the phone reports it as charging, but after a while (seems to be when the phone goes to standby most of the time) the orange light turns off and the charging symbol disappears. If I unplug and replug again the light comes back on for a period. I've not tested thoroughly but I THINK it will stay charging when I leave the phone out of standby with the screen set to stay on for 30 minutes. I really HOPE it's a battery issue but it sounds slightly different to yours as mine does at least charge to a degree. I'm worried there's a blown capacitor somewhere on the logic board that's making the phone charge malfunction but obviously there's no way of testing until I get a new battery.
It concerns me that the seller said he had no charging problems...he must have been able to charge it somehow as the battery was full when it arrived...could I have burnt something out when flashing?!

Mine do charge to about 50 % and then it stops
Im 100 % sure its the battery becouse the battery has a circuitboard inside of it, and thats often messed up considering its made cheap in china . But test it with your friends hd2 original battery You can 2 see if the wet indicatior has been activated
the " white " paper next to the battery poles should be white and not pink, alltso where the skrewholes of the phone that should allso be white just to make sure your phone is not waterdamaget

I don't think flashing could have burnt something out. Overclocking and generating a lot of heat can burn something out though.
Didn't you receive the stock battery? Why not try it with that, and if the problem stilll persists then it might not be the battery. Either way, it will help you to test out the phone with a stock battery.

I tried it again after a few hours and it charged for a fair while before the light went off again.
I don't have the original battery as the seller has yet to mail it to me.
Does anyone else think it's worth me trying out a stock Windows Mobile ROM to see if it works? Might be that Android ROMs are less forgiving of cheap batteries with dodgy circuitry..

UPDATE
Ok so I've flashed Windows Mobile onto the device and wiped Magldr. The phone now alternates between a green and an amber light on the charging indicator. Looks like Windows Mobile won't charge it at all!
Does anyone know what this means?
I've checked for water damage in the areas mentioned and there is no sign.

Well your best bet is to send it in for repairs. But I'd suggest you test the phone out first with a stock battery.

Well I Only bought the phone yesterday so I certainly won't be paying for any repairs.
Got a replacement battery today - a genuine HTC one.
Plugged in, switched on....flashing between amber and green
I have a nagging suspicion this is going to be an eBay refund nightmare.

have you checked that the pins on the phone is not bendt? pins where battery poles connect to phone

problem solved? fingers crossed
OK so as a last resort I flashed radio 2.15 to the device. Seems that this has completely fixed the problem as without even restoring the phone is now charging properly. It seems that a corrupted radio flash had affected the charge somehow....at least I hope so.
The same problem has not come back again today at all.
Might be worth throwing this solution in a problems and solutions section as I haven't found any reference to it on the net and it might fix things for others panicking over their handsets.

That's nice.
Good for you, since it's a hassle to deal with sending back the device and shizz like that.

was just searching is anyone had a similar problem like me. to the OP yours sounds like my problem.
Had these fake OEM batteries for a while now. Until recently they have been charging ang turning off in 1 1/2 minutes. put a genuine OEM battery in and the problem is gone.
My solution was OEM can charge thru phone but fakes cant, use fakes as backup and charge it thru a desktop charger. goodluck