Let's have some fun SHIFTERS! After months of headaches, tweaking, finding the right rom, the right kernel, I finally got my SHIFTY optimized!
I'll put my SHIFT up against any other SHIFT out there! Post a screenshot of your best benchmark, I dare u! WHAT!!!! Let's gooooooooo, keep it civil and be HONEST playas!!!
This has already been done. Lets see you get 4200+ in Antutu, ****in noob.
Also get me a hotel room in Hawaii or I'll have you banned.
jkjkjkjkjk
Let's do it again WTF!!! I wanna show off! Ill get u a room alright @ the volcano inn its paradise! LOL
Let Me Put My Shift In U
Hey, I'm sure some other noobs out there wouldn't mine playin' along old timer!!! LOL
Let Me Put My Shift In U
Ironically enough, since I got my newest replacement, I haven't ran a single linpack, antutu (which is biased because it brings the sdcard into play), or quadrant... 6 months ago it mattered to me... lmao! :beer:
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We need more noobs in here! I'm surrounded by old time, first generation shifters, LOL
Let Me Put My Shift In U
Kinda like drob said, benchmarks really don't mean much to me, it doesn't really translate to real world performance... But I'll play along
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Please post Antutu and linpack scores. NOT Quadrant.
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Please post Antutu and linpack scores. NOT Quadrant.
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Oh, sorry I didn't realize there were rules to this challenge. Honestly, I don't care about any of them as they mean absolutely nothing. I was just amusing the OP with a random benchmark. As you should know Antutu also scores on SD speed, which can cause lopsided scores and has very little to do with the day to day performance of my phone.
I know u old timers don't care, its just for fun for us noobs!!!
Let Me Put My Shift In U
I'm an overclocker at heart but for the phones....it doesn't really matter once it runs smooth. But I still do test out my benchmarks at times to see what each rom produces.
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Oh, sorry I didn't realize there were rules to this challenge. Honestly, I don't care about any of them as they mean absolutely nothing. I was just amusing the OP with a random benchmark. As you should know Antutu also scores on SD speed, which can cause lopsided scores and has very little to do with the day to day performance of my phone.
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letmeputdatipin said:
I know u old timers don't care, its just for fun for us noobs!!!
Let Me Put My Shift In U
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I'm an overclocker at heart but for the phones....it doesn't really matter once it runs smooth. But I still do test out my benchmarks at times to see what each rom produces.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296614
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beat this score and tell us how you did it:
This is why benchmarks mean absolutely nothing unless your a noob. http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-hacks/25510-quadrant-benchmark-score-improvement.html
I'll find some more links in time
Benchmarks can also be manipulated I'll find some links to those to. And you know the higher scores you get the more the battery is going to drain...
You're lucky I dont have either of my first two shifts... Those things had boss cpu's... Ill flash an aosp rom and post... And antutu is biased bro, no matter which way you look at it, it is biased... Post linpacks and quadrant standard as they measure the phones performance and not the sd card...
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Read this info on setcpu...the higher frequency you cpu is running at the more your battery is going to drain. And when you think about it it's really hard on your phone to run at those higher frequencies, both on the cpu and the battery. So if you want to drain/overheat your battery look for the best benchmark in rom/kernel. It will be faster than crap but again it's a toss-up. If you want battery to last run a rom/kernel that will get lower benchmarkmark scores but still runs smooth. A lot of things play into benchmarks, performance and battery not just the kernel, but the rom and device as well. Just do some research you'll see what I mean.
http://www.setcpu.com/
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What kernel and what ROM?
drob311 said:
You're lucky I dont have either of my first two shifts... Those things had boss cpu's... Ill flash an aosp rom and post... And antutu is biased bro, no matter which way you look at it, it is biased... Post linpacks and quadrant standard as they measure the phones performance and not the sd card...
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What kernel and what ROM?
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MIUI 2.1.20 with the kernel that it came with (thinking Tiamat).
Ive tried everything i can think of but i still cant get past 3822 benchmark so theres no need for me to post a pic.
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I just wanted to add a place where people could post and brag about their blazing fast phones! Mine was 2304!! I'm currently running a Samsung Vibrant/rooted/one click lag fix. I also have an HTC HD2 running Hyperdroid v1.6 build (flawlessly)
Quadrant scores are retarded. They mean nothing.
Use search. There was a topic about this a couple a days ago.
Score:2259
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Quadrant scores are retarded. They mean nothing.
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THIS. Indeed.
Yea they aren't precise. Its just a way to show off for no reason. Its like wearing a lot of fake gold to show you have money.
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Can someone explain why Quadrant is bs? I saw a thread talking about it really doesn't "work" the phone. If that's the cade I can understand that. But isn't it a way to compare android phones? An equal set of standards and each phone
is ranked how it meets these standards. Or Is it all made up?
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Quadrant scores are retarded. They mean nothing.
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^^^^^^^this
actually OP change it and make a rule ....no LAG fix
Thanks for the answer.
2650 but don't know what it means so it doesn't matter to me much
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Quadrant scores are a reference
Quadrant scores are just a benchmarking tools and should only be used as a reference, just like a Photo snapshot. It is not an end all too prove you have a fast or fastest setup, but IT does provide a general view of how your phone is performing.
Remember....... the slowest thing in the hardware or software is what will govern performance. an example of this would be in a desktop computer.... you get a super fast I-7 chip or maybe a SUN chip with 64 cpus. Great !! but you have this 8 yr old hard drive and Win 98.........that chip is useless . This is why some of the developers strive to build a efficient bug free rom that performs the same in or with all things loaded into the phone. And the developers here do a super job of building a variety of excellent performing roms.
Agreed they really do !!!
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Can someone explain why Quadrant is bs? I saw a thread talking about it really doesn't "work" the phone. If that's the cade I can understand that. But isn't it a way to compare android phones? An equal set of standards and each phone
is ranked how it meets these standards. Or Is it all made up?
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http://briefmobile.com/cyanogen-demonstrates-quadrants-flaws
Regardless of wether the scores are crap or not...how are you guys getting numbers in the 2000's? The highest I get is 885.
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Regardless of wether the scores are crap or not...how are you guys getting numbers in the 2000's? The highest I get is 885.
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I get 1,200.. But I have no clue what they are doing, nor do I care
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Regardless of wether the scores are crap or not...how are you guys getting numbers in the 2000's? The highest I get is 885.
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If you read the post above yours, it'll tell you.
By rooting and installing the lag fix alone gets you 2100+
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my score with " Super speedy ye-pa ye-pa speedy Gonzales lagFix
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My current smart bench scores are
1067
2374
on 2.2
They were
1100
2700
on 2.1.
Anyone else getting bad scores?
I can't search from my phone, so if there's another thread like this please lead me there.
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Those numbers don't exactly mean much... it's such a small variance that I wouldn't worry about it.
After going the ext4 kernel my scores are a little higher.
I think once we get cleaner roms scores will start to go up.
On stock EB13 I got:
1083
2438
That doesn't really seem that bad to me.
EB13 running Genocide 1.2oc kernel, rfs:
1236/2788
Smart Bench Scores RFS: OC 1.2 Kernel Genocide=
1258/2890
Any downfall to that kernel?
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no downfall i can see SB 1355/3037 ext4 geno kern
Scores on a phone!!!!!!! What's the point? Reminds me of the nerdy kid at school modifying his gaming laptop to brag about scores. A laptop I understand, a phone? Who cares.
I care.
shook187 said:
Scores on a phone!!!!!!! What's the point? Reminds me of the nerdy kid at school modifying his gaming laptop to brag about scores. A laptop I understand, a phone? Who cares.
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Phones ARE computers these days. Fast computers rock. Why do you make the comparison to a laptop and state that a "phone" is anything less. Phone is just a word to describe the original function of these micro-devices. They are 1% phone and 99% other-than-phone. Broaden your horizon(s).
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Phones ARE computers these days. Fast computers rock. Why do you make the comparison to a laptop and state that a "phone" is anything less. Phone is just a word to describe the original function of these micro-devices. They are 1% phone and 99% other-than-phone. Broaden your horizon(s).
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+1
These scores do have a meaning to the people who run the tests. I mean, that's like asking, "why do you race your car at the drag strip?" Easy! To see how my car ranks against others. I can see how my mods affects my car(or in this case, smartphone)'s performance. It doesn't matter if it's noticeable to the user.
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BWFBezerk said:
My current smart bench scores are
1067
2374
on 2.2
They were
1100
2700
on 2.1.
Anyone else getting bad scores?
I can't search from my phone, so if there's another thread like this please lead me there.
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Not surprising when you see the real world performance of 2.1 vs 2.2 on the Epic. 2.1 was smoother, faster and all around more stable. Don't believe me? One simple test, pull down the notification bar on 2.1 and 2.2. When compared, you see that on 2.2 it is super choppy in comparison to the perfect smoothness of 2.1. I hate to say this...
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Not surprising when you see the real world performance of 2.1 vs 2.2 on the Epic. 2.1 was smoother, faster and all around more stable. Don't believe me? One simple test, pull down the notification bar on 2.1 and 2.2. When compared, you see that on 2.2 it is super choppy in comparison to the perfect smoothness of 2.1. I hate to say this...
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Either your on crack or something is messed up with your phone. I went back to eclair for a minute before I went to eb13 there is no difference in the pulldown. Maybe you have 15 apps running...........
Epic 4g
1396/3100
Genocide OC kernel @ 1200MHz running Midnight ROM 4.0
To the above poster, how did you get EB13 to 1300MHz?
hehehe Dorks!! My E-penis is bigger then your E-penis... hehehehahahahaa
I don't put much stock in benchmarks, and have yet to waste my time running them. I worry about how my phone performs when I am using it. Working pretty good I might Add, Nebula 1.07 with Genocide kernel.. Can't compare my E-Penis because as I said, I haven't measured it.
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hehehe Dorks!! My E-penis is bigger then your E-penis... hehehehahahahaa
I don't put much stock in benchmarks, and have yet to waste my time running them. I worry about how my phone performs when I am using it. Working pretty good I might Add, Nebula 1.07 with Genocide kernel.. Can't compare my E-Penis because as I said, I haven't measured it.
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seriously are you going through each forum and posting some bs like this. quit trolling
Smartbench 2010: 1337/3041 EB13 - Genocide v0.1a 1.2GHZ OC
Stock EB13 (was) 1035/2285
To the troll on this thread:
The reason we have great software and great devices that are fast and reliable is because of people like those that are here pushing it to the limit. Make no mistake - if you like tech you should just let the geeks do there thing and you just enjoy the fruits of their work.
I don't know how I got this, I usually only get 4100 and 4200 max but some how I ended up getting 4451! This defiantly competes with the SGS2. Please post any score you have here!
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LOL, and our OC isn't even near as high! 1.1 vs 1.5 ghz!!
SICK! Wow I cant f**king wait!
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SICK! Wow I cant f**king wait!
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LOL if we break 1.1... that would be amazing. I wouldn't be surprised to see wayy over 5000!
Do yal not understand how out of date quadrant is? Its results are worthless on any dualcore phone period.
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Do yal not understand how out of date quadrant is? Its results are worthless on any dualcore phone period.
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Haha, yeah I'm pretty sure every one knows that. It's just fun being silly with it
This should be in general, not themes and apps.
Why is that ?... post about a quadrant score , which is an app .
Is there any good benchmark for dual core ?
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Why is that ?... post about a quadrant score , which is an app .
Is there any good benchmark for dual core ?
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Yeah, it's called real lief performance.
If everything works with no lag = epic bench mark
If something lags = crappy software
xploited said:
Yeah, it's called real lief performance.
If everything works with no lag = epic bench mark
If something lags = crappy software
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Lol +0+0+0+0+0+1= +1
Use Chain Fire (CF) Bench... much better for dual core
CaelanT said:
This should be in general, not themes and apps.
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Well this is sort of where this kind of benchmark stuff has always been.
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Quadrant is an App
1. How are you doing a quadrant benchmark? Mine errors out at "decoding video". (10/12)
2. I am working on a 1.2 ghz overclock kernel. So far a lot of bugs, maybe that's why quadrant failed... if I succeed, I will try 1.4... if I can even out the major bugs I will release it.
Also, just want to add that on said kernel I got a 6752 overall in Chainfire...
Kthxbai
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trvstw said:
1. How are you doing a quadrant benchmark? Mine errors out at "decoding video". (10/12)
2. I am working on a 1.2 ghz overclock kernel. So far a lot of bugs, maybe that's why quadrant failed... if I succeed, I will try 1.4... if I can even out the major bugs I will release it.
Also, just want to add that on said kernel I got a 6752 overall in Chainfire...
Kthxbai
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You're likely getting an error at "decoding video" because you have used your camera. In order to get quadrant to work properly, you have to run a benchmark before you've opened the camera and caused it to force close.
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You're likely getting an error at "decoding video" because you have used your camera. In order to get quadrant to work properly, you have to run a benchmark before you've opened the camera and caused it to force close.
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Thank you.
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Smartbench 2011
Awesome Benchmark...
does graphics tests
whats the point hight quadrant or any benchmark if the phone stills laggy and can't play 720p lose the fingerprint captabilities and webtop?!
if you want hight quadrant without webtop and fingerprint buy another phone xD lol
just saying.....please don't interpret me wrong
or, if you want all those features, don't install a pre-beta version of a ROM?
highest quadrant score i've gotten so far is 3400-3500, what are you guys doing with your settings to get so high?
Alcapone263 said:
or, if you want all those features, don't install a pre-beta version of a ROM?
highest quadrant score i've gotten so far is 3400-3500, what are you guys doing with your settings to get so high?
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I'm not sure how many times you've tried the test, but I did it about five times in a row and each time my score raised by about 150 until it steadied at 4200 or so. Make sure to free as much RAM and extra processor usage as possible using a task manager or similar. Also, are you at 1.1Ghz? That's what I'm at with the kernel that came with the CM7 pre-beta install. I believe it is faux's kernel.
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I'm not sure how many times you've tried the test, but I did it about five times in a row and each time my score raised by about 150 until it steadied at 4200 or so. Make sure to free as much RAM and extra processor usage as possible using a task manager or similar. Also, are you at 1.1Ghz? That's what I'm at with the kernel that came with the CM7 pre-beta install. I believe it is faux's kernel.
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Lol, and unmount your storage (just plug it into the computer, mass storage)
Please share your Quadrant scores, here is mine
Running Wanam Lite v2.0(4.1.2) Rom with 23 toggles
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You are new here. So I guess you don't know Quadrant is CRAP. Doesn't matter if it shows score as 19999999999999....
And this topic will be closed now.
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You are new here. So I guess you don't know Quadrant is CRAP. Doesn't matter if it shows score as 19999999999999....
And this topic will be closed now.
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Hmm okay. So what do you say is the best for benchmark testing?
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Hmm okay. So what do you say is the best for benchmark testing?
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The best benchmark testing is your sense. If it feels good for you then all is good, no need for a benchmark test on the phone. Or it does make you happy to see a score of xxxxxxxxx when the phone feels slugish?
Forgive me but sick of all the benchmark threads popping up
Higgins12 said:
The best benchmark testing is your sense. If it feels good for you then all is good, no need for a benchmark test on the phone. Or it does make you happy to see a score of xxxxxxxxx when the phone feels slugish?
Forgive me but sick of all the benchmark threads popping up
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hahah I understand you but the real reason I started this thread is to find out the best ROM as of now :angel:
Seriously.....how many more of these threads do we need
jujuburi said:
You are new here. So I guess you don't know Quadrant is CRAP. Doesn't matter if it shows score as 19999999999999....
And this topic will be closed now.
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Sounds like someone needs to get laid or something.......go have a beer or something buddy!
Are you the forum police?? You don't like a certain thread, report it or keep it moving!
Apparently as many times as we need to be asked why we got the note 2, post battery pics, doodles, photos, or which of all of 2 colors we chose.
It's starting to feel like Facebook around here.
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Mazda said:
Sounds like someone needs to get laid or something.......go have a beer or something buddy!
Are you the forum police?? You don't like a certain thread, report it or keep it moving!
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I should report this one, but nah you maybe a 19 year old, so skipping that
Besides, as I said, user is new, and this post is NOT enough for reporting. And needless to say I am not the forum police, damn, I don't wanna be. So next time you take something (whichever works for you, beer or ..... ) before posting some jibber jabber.
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I should report this one, but nah you maybe a 19 year old, so skipping that
Besides, as I said, user is new, and this post is NOT enough for reporting. And needless to say I am not the forum police, damn, I don't wanna be. So next time you take something (whichever works for you, beer or ..... ) before posting some jibber jabber.
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Sounds like the negativity is strong over here!! HAHAHAHAA
I seriously think you guys need to go out and get some fresh air!! Go ahead and report that post and this one! I see NOTHING wrong with either one but HEY BUDDY if it makes you feel like a man then go for it!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mine gets between 6700 and 7000. Shrug don't know if that's good, as long a the phone isn't laggy, don't care really.
kebabs said:
Mine gets between 6700 and 7000. Shrug don't know if that's good, as long a the phone isn't laggy, don't care really.
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That's all that matters!
Quadrant scores are cool to show off but should not be considered a way of deciding whether a ROM is smooth or not.
Mazda said:
That's all that matters!
Quadrant scores are cool to show off but should not be considered a way of deciding whether a ROM is smooth or not.
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Thanks man, I get it now
Just want to show my T-mobile M9 and see if others get the similar scores on the following:
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http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2326098
Here's what getting, very poor if you ask me, starting think my phone is faulty as laggy as hell as well.
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raymond999 said:
Here's what getting, very poor if you ask me, starting think my phone is faulty as laggy as hell as well.
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A bit low if you ask me. If you can get a replacement, I would replace it. I don't have lag issues even on many apps and games. Sense UI smoothness is superb and even Chrome is smooth unless the websites are loading while scrolling, but even then it's still far smoother than any non-HTC one phone I've used.
Your getting throttled my friend, take phone off charger for a few minutes, let the phone idle then retry, that score is definitely throttled
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A bit low if you ask me. If you can get a replacement, I would replace it. I don't have lag issues even on many apps and games. Sense UI smoothness is superb and even Chrome is smooth unless the websites are loading while scrolling, but even then it's still far smoother than any non-HTC one phone I've used.
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So took my back to the shop and they replaced my phone, seems a bit better.
Installed all my apps and benchmarked it.
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raymond999 said:
So took my back to the shop and they replaced my phone, seems a bit better.
Installed all my apps and benchmarked it.
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Be aware that the cpu gets underclocked when it gets hot so best checking when its cold.
did you got the 60.000 on a completely stock rom ?
ehich firmware pöease ?
B-Man2005 said:
did you got the 60.000 on a completely stock rom ?
ehich firmware pöease ?
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B-Man2005 said:
did you got the 60.000 on a completely stock rom ?
ehich firmware pöease ?
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HTC Sense 7.0 stock ROM. No root, just my apps, docs, pics and music. Here's my version:
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HTC Sense 7.0 stock ROM. No root, just my apps, docs, pics and music. Here's my version:
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Seems tmobile firmware must of done something because no one has got that high as of yet benchmark wise
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Just want to show my T-mobile M9 and see if others get the similar scores on the following:
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maybe its the .30 in the firmware ? i got .15
maybe 30 is faster ?
No that's not how it works, the scores are dependent on temp, the colder the device the better the benchmark
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The difference is in the thermal throttling
but i never reach nearly 60.000
when mine is cold i get max 53.500 :/
thats strange
Honestly,I think it just for fun~
As for me,just use it to play music vedio,make phone call,facebook,twitter.I hardly play game in my phone because I think the screen is too small.
B-Man2005 said:
but i never reach nearly 60.000
when mine is cold i get max 53.500 :/
thats strange
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Yeah indeed, that score is kinda high.
Highest i got was 56037: http://our.antutu.net/api/?action=v5&act=benchmark&id=28390950
With LeeDroid rom and SkyDragon kernel 1.0.3
What's the deal & issue with pointless benchmarks.
You all get in such a twist over them.
I had my note 4 first ever test (out of curiosity) scored in the 20,000 range can't remember specifics, immediately after it was 52 ish thousand, now that's a big difference, same conditions for both tests.
This is why I see them as utterly pointless and give no accurate readings what so ever.
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This is why I see them as utterly pointless and give no accurate readings what so ever.
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Them being pointless is just your opinion, but nobody here claimed the readings are accurate.. They just give us an approximate indication as in comparison against other phones/roms/kernels.
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Them being pointless is just your opinion, but nobody here claimed the readings are accurate.. They just give us an approximate indication as in comparison against other phones/roms/kernels.
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The can't even be estimates or a guide, how can my note 4 score in the 20's and then in the 50's just seconds after,
But yeh if you all want to use these as guides then who am I to say you can't
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The can't even be estimates or a guide, how can my note 4 score in the 20's and then in the 50's just seconds after,
But yeh if you all want to use these as guides then who am I to say you can't
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So because YOU had one bad instance of a HUGE difference, suddenly EVERY benchmark is bad and useless and we should just ditch them all?!
I get it that you don't think benchmarks are useful especially in reflecting real world usage i would agree with you. But the reason you state there is just..........
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So because YOU had one bad instance of a HUGE difference, suddenly EVERY benchmark is bad and useless and we should just ditch them all?!
I get it that you don't think benchmarks are useful especially in reflecting real world usage i would agree with you. But the reason you state there is just..........
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It's not just a one off, this happened repeatedly over many devices, that is why I now just ignore them.
Sorry if my posts offends your strong stance that's not my intention, nor is it to rile a reaction.
Perhaps my statements are direct and my sincere apologies.
But it is yes just of my opinion that I won't even use them as a guide because of such in accurate results over as stated many devices.