PSP to Native Emulator [Disscus] - Xperia Play General

PSP to Native Emulator [Disscus] - Xperia Play General

Hey Guys as you know we can Rip and convert our own PSX Isos,
But im still Confused after seeing LOCO ROCO on the PSX market
So I got in contact with Yinfan Lu and disscused but he won't be convinced without the communitys support so Please reply and don't spam him with messages but go to his site and email him, via CONTACT ME.
This will enable you to email him......Duhh....
Send him You won't him to create a PSP Converter for Xperia Play.
And say Why and what benifits he will get out of it.
And if this gets Piracy Envolved then He won't do it and Pirates are G** F*C****
Fags.
also to create attention to this Please post if you have send an email and what you said, if you intend to pirate you can get a $1000+ fine so I wouldn't if i was you.
I DO NOT INTEND FOR THIS TO BECOME A HASTLE JUST SAYING SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE HIM COME BACK THE XPERIA PLAY COMMUNITY DONT SPAM ITS ANNOYING AND STUPID!

Im pretty sure that game does not acttually include a emulator but instead it is a ported version.

Loco rocco is not being emulated, there will never be a PSP emulator for the xperia play. You could be the most awesome programmer in the world but the xperia plays hardware is simply not powerful enough to emulate PSP games.

bubblegumballoon said:
Loco rocco is not being emulated, there will never be a PSP emulator for the xperia play. You could be the most awesome programmer in the world but the xperia plays hardware is simply not powerful enough to emulate PSP games.
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That. It ain't happening, dude.

GDSH said:
Hey Guys as you know we can Rip and convert our own PSX Isos,
But im still Confused after seeing LOCO ROCO on the PSX market
So I got in contact with Yinfan Lu and disscused but he won't be convinced without the communitys support so Please reply and don't spam him with messages but go to his site and email him, via CONTACT ME.
This will enable you to email him......Duhh....
Send him You won't him to create a PSP Converter for Xperia Play.
And say Why and what benifits he will get out of it.
And if this gets Piracy Envolved then He won't do it and Pirates are G** F*C****
Fags.
also to create attention to this Please post if you have send an email and what you said, if you intend to pirate you can get a $1000+ fine so I wouldn't if i was you.
I DO NOT INTEND FOR THIS TO BECOME A HASTLE JUST SAYING SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE HIM COME BACK THE XPERIA PLAY COMMUNITY DONT SPAM ITS ANNOYING AND STUPID!
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Didn't you think to stop and ask if it's even possible before solilciting people to spam someone for no good reason?!

Didn't you think to stop and ask if it's even possible before solilciting people to spam someone for no good reason?!
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This.
Even if it was possible (which it isnt) you cant just force the dude to do it. He does it for free in his own time, he is not obliged to do anything for anybody.

DeanBoro said:
Im pretty sure that game does not acttually include a emulator but instead it is a ported version.
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True. This was confirmed to have been a ported version of the video game via Sony FAQ.
bubblegumballoon said:
This.
Even if it was possible (which it isnt) you cant just force the dude to do it. He does it for free in his own time, he is not obliged to do anything for anybody.
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I think most of the people that have responded to this thread are pretty much dead on in terms of the reality behind it all. I think a good example is to take a look at the DS emulator that's out and compare it's (Nintendo DS) specs with the PSP. While the DS is available it's virtually unplayable and serves as somewhat of a reality check that it's just not possible.
I think people like Yinfan and others have been a very important contribution to our community so we shouldn't burden them with our personal desires (unless they openly ask for suggestions).

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woah woah woah !!There is a psp game for the Xperia Play alredy out?!!!!
HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THAT and more importend, how di i get it on MY phone?

Sorry For this is my Doppy Brother thinking it was his Account ADMIN remove this stupid Thread

This you? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22000061&postcount=343
I thought by making those smartass comments, you would get that I'm saying the idea is absurd, but I don't think you understood, so let me put this seriously:
1) Is it POSSIBLE to run psp/ps2 on the play? Certainly. In theory, any computer can run code that emulates another computer. Now the chances that someone/group will take the time to spend the months/years doing so is next to null. Unless you are willing to pay them hourly wages, you're not going to convince anyone to do this.
2) A rule of thumb is that a platform has to be 10x more powerful than what it's emulating. I can't say for sure, but I think the play is just bearly that much, not to mention that android is already system intensive. The best bet would be to write an alternative OS (no android/linux) that only emulates psp/ps2. To use most of the power of the play (and that might not even be enough), you need low level access and nothing else interfering (android for example). So on top of reversing a console, you also have to reverse a play.
In summary, you need someone/group with skill, time, and resources. Your best bet is to hire Sony engineers. Can you pay them more than what Sony pays them? And I'm talking hourly wages.
And to everyone else. Please don't email me about the play. As I've said, I no longer own the phone, so there's nothing I can do.

By impossible I kind of meant that it will never happen or even if somebody did port something like pcsx2 it would run super super slow.
To write an entire PS2 emulator from scratch in assembly would take so long that by the time it is done nobody will care about the play anymore. The best thing to do is just wait for advances in hardware.
Heck just look at how long pcsx2 has been in development and it still struggles to play a lot of games even on high end PC's

yifanlu said:
This you? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22000061&postcount=343
I thought by making those smartass comments, you would get that I'm saying the idea is absurd, but I don't think you understood, so let me put this seriously:
1) Is it POSSIBLE to run psp/ps2 on the play? Certainly. In theory, any computer can run code that emulates another computer. Now the chances that someone/group will take the time to spend the months/years doing so is next to null. Unless you are willing to pay them hourly wages, you're not going to convince anyone to do this.
2) A rule of thumb is that a platform has to be 10x more powerful than what it's emulating. I can't say for sure, but I think the play is just bearly that much, not to mention that android is already system intensive. The best bet would be to write an alternative OS (no android/linux) that only emulates psp/ps2. To use most of the power of the play (and that might not even be enough), you need low level access and nothing else interfering (android for example). So on top of reversing a console, you also have to reverse a play.
In summary, you need someone/group with skill, time, and resources. Your best bet is to hire Sony engineers. Can you pay them more than what Sony pays them? And I'm talking hourly wages.
And to everyone else. Please don't email me about the play. As I've said, I no longer own the phone, so there's nothing I can do.
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Nah. That's clearly someone else who also capitalizes words completely randomly and uses "won't" when he means "want."
Anyway, in response to the part I bolded, that's exactly what I saidhere when I wrote "Keep dreaming. Sony made the PSP dev kits to allow quick porting to PS2, PS3, and other platforms. PSP minis all compile to run on both PSP and PS3. So, it's either out-right native ports or a code translation engine with wrappers for natively unsupported functions and system calls ala cXbx. Either way, it will take a commercial level of effort and understanding to make each title function and this will be required per title."
Even that was assuming that there was some kind of native support for PSP code. Expecting an emulator to do it is just
The reasons the Sony-made PSone emulator runs better than the others are three-fold: 1) It was written and optimized for ARM, unlike the ported PC emulators usually written in high-level portable C++, 2) it was written with a more intimate understanding of the original hardware by those who built it, and 3) it has a commercially-supported level of effort (many people making their living by working on it daily with untold amounts of man-hours dedicated to it). Emu-kiddies just don't get it.
bubblegumballoon said:
By impossible I kind of meant that it will never happen or even if somebody did port something like pcsx2 it would run super super slow.
To write an entire PS2 emulator from scratch in assembly would take so long that by the time it is done nobody will care about the play anymore. The best thing to do is just wait for advances in hardware.
Heck just look at how long pcsx2 has been in development and it still struggles to play a lot of games even on high end PC's
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It's kinda like the difference between animating Toy Story on early '90s computers using crude wireframes (even those were slow) vs. the final output on film. The server farms would crank away for hours with several days' worth of computing power per frame generated to make the final result of 23.9 FPS. Expecting the same computers to render that level of detail at 23.9FPS *in real time* when they couldn't even render a wireframe in real time at that speed is as ridiculous as expecting an Xperia PLAY to run a PSP emulator at full speed just because it's possible to port it and run it. It's just not going to happen. It's possible, but it wouldn't be close to "real time," and real-time is kinda the point with emulation (kinda hard to fix with frame skip if each frame is going to take minutes/hours/days. ).

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IPhone 0 - HTC 1!

Just had to post this somewhere (sorry!)
In all comparison reviews & tests between the Iphone and HTC - they always bring up that Apple has thousands of apps available in their store and WM doesnt. Someone should tell them that there are thousands of applications for Windows Mobile out there - and for free!!
And they are actually usefull stuff, compared to Apples costy gimmicks (which according to
studies people only use once or twice then ditch them).
Spread the word!

Then it's Apple 1 Microsoft 0 for Microsoft's failure to get all these apps into the marketplace where they can be easily accessed and impress the reviewers.
Absolutely no relevance to HTC.

Let's leave it 1-1 then and not start an Apple vs HTC/MS discussion/flamewar again.
Don't think this thread was necessary - but jannen is right when he says "spread the word". Bashing Windows Mobile for no good reason is a recent trend among bloggers that's really sad.

I've just got to say, if most of the WM apps are placed into WM MarketPlace then a large proportion of them won't be free.
Apple makes it easier for consumers by having them all in one place else no one would find anything for the iPhone. Most WM users are quite adept at hunting down useful applications so it doesn't really bother most of the users.

Can people please post links to these so called good apps? As I have searched and found little that I think is nice to look at as what free ones I have seen look like the old BBC game "Elite"
I'm not an XDa Dev boff, have no idea where to look.
Tried to search WM 6.5 apps/widgets/games, HD2 apps, games... all come up with poo apps
Links please? (if allowed, cant see why they wouldnt) and obviously not warez.

cobnut said:
Can people please post links to these so called good apps? As I have searched and found little that I think is nice to look at as what free ones I have seen look like the old BBC game "Elite"
I'm not an XDa Dev boff, have no idea where to look.
Tried to search WM 6.5 apps/widgets/games, HD2 apps, games... all come up with poo apps
Links please? (if allowed, cant see why they wouldnt) and obviously not warez.
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I used to have a BBC and played a lot of Elite. I'd LOVE it if you could get a version for windows mobile!
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DAMNIT!!! I found it on Handango, but it's no longer available
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YES!!!! http://www.eliteppc.com/

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Just had to post this somewhere (sorry!)
In all comparison reviews & tests between the Yellow pages and my Outlook- they always bring up that yellow pages has thousands of numbers available in their book and my Outlook doesnt. Someone should tell them that there are thousands of phone numbers for people out there - and for free!!
And they are actually usefull people, compared to Outlooks boring people (which according to
studies people only call once or twice then ditch them).
Spread the word!
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Edited for accuracy. Worst pro WM argument ever!

LOL, me too.
BTW, I just spotted the themes and applications section tit

Sorry
Didnt want to start a war here. Iphone has its merits as does Nokia as does many other phones. We all have a phone we love, mine is WM.
Just dont think its fair Windows Mobile gets bad rep for not having apps available, which is not true. There are many out there and most are free. If they were put to a marketplace... well, obviosly they wouldnt be free...
Sorry if I upset any... (think you guys are still cool! this is still the best forum)

jannen said:
Didnt want to start a war here. Iphone has its merits as does Nokia as does many other phones. We all have a phone we love, mine is WM.
Just dont think its fair Windows Mobile gets bad rep for not having apps available, which is not true. There are many out there and most are free. If they were put to a marketplace... well, obviosly they wouldnt be free...
Sorry if I upset any... (think you guys are still cool! this is still the best forum)
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If that was because of my post, I apologise. It's not always easy to tell when someone is just pulling someones leg on forums I agree M$ must improve its marketplace and correlate all worthy apps in one place, or it will not stand a chance in the coming months.

OP has a point, this is my first windows phone and the marketplace is (currently) crap!
Any links like this one:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
where I can get some decent win mo software would be nice

what bugs me is that most of the apps (especially games) i found are for qvga devices, so look TERRIBLE on my lovely HD2 screen
thats the advantge of the iphone, like consoles, developers know Exactly what hardware they have to work with.

docchris1980 said:
thats the advantge of the iphone, like consoles, developers know Exactly what hardware they have to work with.
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The iPhone still has a ****ty HVGA screen. That needs to change soon, otherwise competitors will extend the lead even more in terms of hardware. The screen of the HD2, for example, already is a huge advantage, it makes everything from web browsing to reading mail, books etc. a lot more pleasant.
What happens then? Games developed for the 2G/3G/3GS iPhone may not work anymore, developers will have to develop for different hardware just like they have to do on Windows Mobile.
And by the way, there are lots of games for WVGA available. Really lots of them, and good ones.

The debate around AppStore v Marketplace is entirely spurious and makes about as much sense as saying my six month old child can't walk or talk as well as my neighbour's three year old.
There are a host of excellent, mature applications available for the PPC platform that are entirely independent of Marketplace (and I hope they remain so). A significant percentage of the best PPC apps were also around long before the iPhone was even a bulge in Steve Job's trousers.
In those terms the iPhone is still miles behind, although I admit that if you are looking for a fluffy little puffball of pointless visual nonsense with which to amuse the hard of thinking, the iPhone has to be the platform of choice.
While I admire the OP's intentions in trying to balance out the pointlessly negative threads posted by those with a suspiciously pro-iPhone agenda, I suspect we are all just going over the same old ground and should simply agree to disagree before it all decends into another flame war.
I'd therefore propose that we close this thread and get on with some of the business that concerns the device that brought us all here in the first place, rather than fretting about how it stacks up against other devices.

Gustopher said:
if you are looking for a fluffy little puffball of pointless visual nonsense with which to amuse the hard of thinking, the iPhone has to be the platform of choice.
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sorry but I cant help my response to that...
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maati said:
The iPhone still has a ****ty HVGA screen. That needs to change soon, otherwise competitors will extend the lead even more in terms of hardware. The screen of the HD2, for example, already is a huge advantage, it makes everything from web browsing to reading mail, books etc. a lot more pleasant.
What happens then? Games developed for the 2G/3G/3GS iPhone may not work anymore, developers will have to develop for different hardware just like they have to do on Windows Mobile.
And by the way, there are lots of games for WVGA available. Really lots of them, and good ones.
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Forget the screen just plug the fluffy puffball into the telly

custardo01 said:
Forget the screen just plug the fluffy puffball into the telly
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Sorry, but buying an iPhone for playing games on the TV is stupid. There are PCs and consoles for that which are much more fun.
For gaming on the go, the HD2 is at least as good, if not better. I really enjoy playing all my SNES games on the HD2, those alone are already more than the total amount of games you find in the iPhone AppStore
Soon there's a new version of FPSCE and we can play our PSX games on the HD2, all of them being better than anything you can find in the AppStore.
Just look at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JoNUFHbJY
There's absolutely NOTHING in the AppStore that can compete with that.
And there are also lots of good standalone games for the HD2, like NFS undercover, Asphalt 4, POP, ..............

maati said:
Sorry, but buying an iPhone for playing games on the TV is stupid. There are PCs and consoles for that which are much more fun.
For gaming on the go, the HD2 is at least as good, if not better. I really enjoy playing all my SNES games on the HD2, those alone are already more than the total amount of games you find in the iPhone AppStore
Soon there's a new version of FPSCE and we can play our PSX games on the HD2, all of them being better than anything you can find in the AppStore.
Just look at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JoNUFHbJY
There's absolutely NOTHING in the AppStore that can compete with that.
And there are also lots of good standalone games for the HD2, like NFS undercover, Asphalt 4, POP, ..............
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I know what you mean and I am far too old for playing these sort of games but it is nice to have a working option. Spent thousands of pounds on HTC devices and they all have the registry entry but no function - very frustrating. You could always do some serious browsing or emailing or anything. Just an option.

TP2 has TV out if you want that. I don't get why someone would want to connect the phone to a TV for browsing or playing games... TV out for presentations: Yes, but for games?! Doesn't make sense, there's much better devices than phones for this.
Anyway, the HD2 is really the best phone for gaming.

Gustopher said:
The debate around AppStore v Marketplace is entirely...
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Hear...hear!
The truth is that all this hype abot the iPhone having more apps than windows mobile is as specious as it is purely PROPAGANDA! I know at least 4 people who get paid specifically to start a "blogging" campaign for or against whatever you want. This WinMo bashing campaign does look suspicious!
Just because the iPhone has a centeralized "marketplace" for alllll their fart apps doesn't mean that their measely 25,000 apps collection meets or exceeds what's available for CE. I personally have 2.8 Gigabytes of apps just for winmo 5+ (after cleaning and deleting old versions etc...).
In reality, it is just impossible to account for the windows mobile application base; software developers have been enriching windows mobile for more than 10 years, and they market their software independantly.
Personally, I bought, used, and gifted away my iPhone in a month! Yes, smooth animation, slick UI, a thin base of useful apps ( the rest are over-polished iFarts really), but no utility beyond that of an iPod whatsoever. The damn thing couldn't even handle basic "Cut-n-Paste" until it was later introduced as an "advanced update", let alone lack of multitasking, customizability, and its uselessness as a business phone -author & edit documents, spreadsheets, presentation, fax, OCR, exchange mail, etc... forget it! You want advanced functionality, enterprise mobility, a business solution? There really is only one way ----> The WinMo way.
For all its hype, the iPhone is a "chick-flick"; a fluffy darling you take to the manicure parlor! Its made for simplicity not multitasking, streamlined experience, not customizability; BASIC simple-minded FUNCTIONALITY!
And if you're here to start a flame-war, so be it; this is, and has been, an HTC/WinMo forum from day 1... You've brought your iPhone to the wrong shop honey!

does the HTC EVO supports its own GRAPHICS CARD for smoothe 3d gameing?

jus wondering if the great EVO has its own GRAPHICS card for 3d gameing cuz i couldnt find any specs on it.if anyone knows that'll b nice.

The snapdragon has an integrated gpu.
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

hmmm..... that doesnt imply to the 3d gameing graphics card.its jus the fast processor which i already have on my hd2 with 1ghz snapdragon processer.the DROID has its own seperate 3D games graphics card so i was wondering if the EVO has anything like that.

GHOST99K said:
hmmm..... that doesnt imply to the 3d gameing graphics card.
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Yes, it does answer your question. It would help if you had some idea what you were really asking about.
This is a "GRAPHICS CARD" next to the HTC EVO. Bear in mind that these are actual size.
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That will not fit inside your phone, which is why it doesn't have one. What it does have is an integrated GPU like Sebrina said, a smaller chip inside the Snapdragon that specializes in 3D graphics. The Droid also has an integrated GPU, not its "own separate graphics card." I have no idea where that rumor started or why it's still being repeated. People say words without knowing what they mean, I guess. It is true, however, that the GPU found in the Droid's chip performs a bit better than the one found in the Snapdragon. And now you know.

gsmsosv said:
Yes, it does answer your question. It would help if you had some idea what you were really asking about.
This is a "GRAPHICS CARD" next to the HTC EVO. Bear in mind that these are actual size.
That will not fit inside your phone, which is why it doesn't have one. What it does have is an integrated GPU like Sebrina said, a smaller chip inside the Snapdragon that specializes in 3D graphics. The Droid also has an integrated GPU, not its "own separate graphics card." I have no idea where that rumor started or why it's still being repeated. People say words without knowing what they mean, I guess. It is true, however, that the GPU found in the Droid's chip performs a bit better than the one found in the Snapdragon. And now you know.
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thanx for clearing that up but i just want a phone with a smoothe 3d graphics specially when it comes to games.i have the wm hd2 which is horrible on the games compare to the games and the graphics on the iphone 3g and 3gs which comes with very large sized game files.im jus hoping the EVO has a good GPU.THANX

I think the question is how well does Android play games (in general) and what quality/quantity are and will be available. Some games play well on the HD2, but, from my understanding (I'm a HD2 owner who doesn't game) it's only a few that really shine in Winmo 6.5(x).

same thing can be said for android, there's only a handful that I would consider to be "graphic intensive"
They're coming though, just takes times... my magic 8 ball says 6 months to a year from now we should see some really nice games start to pop up

johnsongrantr said:
same thing can be said for android, there's only a handful that I would consider to be "graphic intensive"
They're coming though, just takes times... my magic 8 ball says 6 months to a year from now we should see some really nice games start to pop up
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Go, go magic 8-ball for pre-order date.

-shakes and rubs his magic 8-ball-
-An answer floats to the surface, but is difficult to read-
-After struggling for a few minutes, mrono reads the message-
-Outlook not so good-

If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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had an iphone 3g but dont want to go back to it.sticking with HTC thank u.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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Actually if you want games, get an xbox360, even an iphone cant compare to that type of gaming experiance.

Fadakar said:
If you want games get an iPhone, it's that simple.
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ya if you want games just get an iphone. its that easy. and then get a psp, and a nintendo ds. and a ps3 with a portable screen, i mean its that easy. just duct tape it all onto your body and then you will be a super mobile gaming master. its that easy. you dont even need to carry a good phone.................

lol at how stupid you guys can be, don't look so far into it. He wanted a phone that plays game, name a phone that plays games better than the iPhone, not to mention the abundance of them.

Fadakar said:
lol at how stupid you guys can be, don't look so far into it. He wanted a phone that plays game, name a phone that plays games better than the iPhone, not to mention the abundance of them.
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well thank u sir,jus wanted to know any device that plays or supports cool 3d games compare to the iphone,as simple as that but some people jus wasting their time posting stupid non-sense comments instead of answering my question.thank u

GHOST99K said:
well thank u sir,jus wanted to know any device that plays or supports cool 3d games compare to the iphone,as simple as that but some people jus wasting their time posting stupid non-sense comments instead of answering my question.thank u
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The second post in this thread answered your question.

Graphics capabilities.
Since this kinda applies to the topic of this thread. I'm curious how much better this snapdragon processor will handle (in theory) the graphic intensive activities so many of us want like games and high quality video playback without lag compared to say the Iphone or in my instance a old Touch Pro.
Since I remember hearing HTC skimped on the video driver support with Qualcom chip in the touch Pro giving us some slide show video on certain file types like FLV files. I personally am curious if this graphics solution on this phone is going to give me that buttery smooth experience I think we all hope and dream for from this phone?

Auzarin said:
Since this kinda applies to the topic of this thread. I'm curious how much better this snapdragon processor will handle (in theory) the graphic intensive activities so many of us want like games and high quality video playback without lag compared to say the Iphone or in my instance a old Touch Pro.
Since I remember hearing HTC skimped on the video driver support with Qualcom chip in the touch Pro giving us some slide show video on certain file types like FLV files. I personally am curious if this graphics solution on this phone is going to give me that buttery smooth experience I think we all hope and dream for from this phone?
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I beg your pardon: Theories are not facts, nor do theories reflect actuality in any form. The facts are clear: I do not particularly like the iphone, but it has nothing to do with how well they function. They are well known to be the best gaming phone due to the deep support of the for profit developing community. Free is good, but not as good as good.
Finally, OP, do some research. It's not rocket science and I think that's what has a few people ruffled....it would have been so much easier to have figured it out on your own than withstand the ridicule you've received and at least in part, deserved, in this thread.

My apologies, my theory had nothing to do with you or your like or dislike of anything. I was just wanting community opinion of this new processor. I am interested in processing capability not wither or not the games are good. But wither or not the hardware has the ability and drivers are capable. Also I am most curious if the drivers will support the various video and audio codecs to make this a true multimedia phone unlike the touch pro I currently have.

You seem like a really nice person and I apologize for coming off as not so much so. I don't think you can do much better than an iphone.....there I said it and I have tears in my eyes for saying so. I just don't like how Apple locks the application availability (although there are tons and good quality) and user interface.
I almost feel like an idiot for not just sucking it up and getting one.....Nah, I am an idiot!

The OUYA console... is it doomed? Inquiring minds want to know...

I just wanted to bring up a few thoughts I've had about the upcoming OUYA console, and see what you guys think.
1. I still don't really understand how/why all of this couldn't have been handled by simply creating a GoogleTV-specific OUYA app...?
2. Besides the OUYA's dedicated game-centric market, and their custom controller, what does one really gain that is not already available in the Android ecosystem?
3. How do they plan to prevent their entire custom OS (Or their individual apps) from being ported to other Tegra-based GTV devices in the future? Or, given their outright support for hacking the device, would they even care?
4. And then there's this: Google reportedly making a Game Center for Android
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-reportedly-making-a-Game-Center-for-Android_id30026/
If one was to pair the above (hypothetical) "GTV Game Center" app with a Google-branded "Nexus Controller," wouldn't the entire OUYA become pointless? Would you prefer an app/service that is fully integrated with the entire Google ecosystem, rather than a custom version of the OS and functionality that are outside of (or weakly tied to) said ecosystem?
That said, I still plan to buy a OUYA, but only because I'm a sucker for shiny new toys -- especially of the Android variety! :laugh:
What are your thoughts? Am I "over thinking" this console? Do you think it will be made pointless by an evolution of the GTV?
I'm just looking for friendly debate, so please keep it civil...

150+ views and nobody has any thoughts on these questions? lol...ok, fair enough, was worth a shot.

I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.

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I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.
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Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
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I hope someone releases an overclocked kernal for it, so we can get some real power

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mistermentality said:
Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
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I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.

It seems interesting and I do want to have one but I kinda want to see what games it gets first before buying, if it doesn't have anything that'll interest me then it would be a waste.

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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.

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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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But won't the Ouya be trying to compete with the likes of other home consoles? Because if it is, it is considerably underpowered compared to them.

First, I was an earlier KS backer.
Those who have order one by now, release this is not meant necessarily to complete with an Xbox or Playstation. They're going after a slightly different gaming market.
The problem I see with Ouya is that it can be a bit of redundant machine. What does it do that can't be done with a decent smartphone? You may need a rooted phone, but one can hook up a controller, connect to a TV. It's more the mobile game developers adding in controller support. That said, talk about annoying trying up your phone to play games. Having to hook up the phone to the TV every time.
But I think it could be a nice entry point for small game developers to get into the livingroom. New developers to try to get into the market without going broke or closing the doors if a game fails. Allow gamer to fiddle with their consoles.
On the positive side, if the Wii can find success, maybe there is a room for something like the Ouya too. The Wii showed, if it's fun to play, a cheap machine can make it.
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Plus with announcement it's going to be sold a Target, Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other stores, will help with getting numbers sold, which can help bring some of the bigger game developers to the platform.

I'm excited for the OUYA, but not for reasons they'd probably like. I'll be getting one later down the line, once someone slaps new firmware out there for it. I really don't like the idea of them trying to push their own version of a marketplace and basically building on top of Android for their own purposes. I get it, but I don't feel it's necessary and splintering Android further than it already is needs to stop.
In short, my idea is to see how this device would fare for an AIO media center. It'll hook up to a TV just fine already, it runs Android, and it has its own controller! So once it's running stock (and by stock I inherently mean CM), I'll have a media center PC essentially ready to go- I've got everything already hosted on a NAS so as long as it's on the network, bam.
I checked that link for basically Google's version of a game center, but that date was about a year ago- I think Google's a bit busy with KLP and I/O coming up. Then again they're a secretive company, but I don't think a game device could top up there with their big bombs they'll be dropping - that being Glass and KLP.
edit: Oh, and this may go towards a second device or supercede my media center plans- but I've been toying with the idea of Android as a desktop ever since 4.2 came out with multiple users. I think with OUYA it could be manageably done, or at least to the point where it could be a fun little hobby project to see what limitations I run into.

I don't think it can keep up with the graphics needed...i mean they might as well have marketed a universal market controller with the ability to miracast your phone. the device has Tegra 3, but Tegra 4 just came out. MY real question is why buy a phone and then buy another device to play games on when it has same specs...i'd rather just use my phone and stream it (with controller)...
other devices like ps3/xbox/ps4 are actually powerful. Unless a really cheap device like this is backed by nice hardware like Nvidia's Grid. It really isn't too useful. of course, this is all in my opinion.
Kinda reminds me of Ubuntu phone's concept. However, the phone's specs aren't up to do everything you'd want to so i guess the Ubuntu phone/desktop thing could be handy for average users that don't need super powerful pcs.

mistermentality said:
Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.

AFAinHD said:
The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.
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Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).

nessonic said:
Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).
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Oh, so the Ouya will be competing with the likes of the Atari Flashback? That makes sense.

And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.

When I first saw the Ouya and all the info I admit was very happy yet very sad, sad indeed... happy for thoose pioneers and innovation at finest, daredevils! but the device is doomed to die from day 1, why? here:
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Smallest game console in the world, doesnt need AC (draws from internal battery), that "stick" plugs directly into the HDMI, yeah, THATS the console, closer specs compared to ouya, second version may kill the ouya (in terms of graphics), also a lot more portable plus you can use the controller with any bluetooth device (pc, tablet, phone). Did I mention cheap? ($100 or so dollars)
Now to the not so expensive side ($150 or so US dollars), again ouya killer... :crying:
Emulates from nes*, Snes, Gba and neogeo to PSone* and N64*, PSP emulator is getting better and better. PSone.. yeah, you got 2 analog sticks, d-pad, 4 frontal buttons, select and start buttons in the side, R1, L1, R2 and L2 buttons! yeah 4 freaking shoulder buttons!!! holy sh!t ( reason I'm buying this), stereo speakers, and HDMI! gaming on the big screen!! 1080p video playback, and mapping buttons (this means you can map the fisical buttons to the on-screen ones, so you can play ANY game on the market... maybe not angry birds... but you don't want this device to play anrgy birds :silly.
These JXD guys had done a lot of tablets, gaming tablets and psp wannabes, so their expertise paid with this one.
*emulators included
Lastly both of them already on sale!
I already ordered mine :victory: but I live in Mexico... so will take some time but yeah, ouya is doomed.
Official site with specs and more pictures
Bought it here
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.
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Indeed, its no use if developers dont add support for the controller, and 70% games in android use touch screen, so, bumpy road ahead.

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And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.
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Well, if you're honestly going to bring up 'games aren't about the graphics' when we're talking about a home console (throwing in a comment about text-based games) meant to compete with the Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U, then yes - you're going to met with snide comments. The GPU's capabilities translate more to being actually able to play the games, and that has little to do with the visual representation.
The Ouya won't be a worthwhile investment at its price. Honestly, it won't. The above two options, especially the latter Wii U gamepad rip off, seem to be a much better choice.
Valve's 'Steam Box' and other equivalents will likely catch the audience the Ouya is trying to get.

Is google starting to worry about WP8?

Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?

As far as I know, all WP apps use some sort of built-in browser to get to youtube. the Youtube app by itself is just a shortcut to m.youtube.com in IE.
And yes, google is scared and is doing every dirty trick at their disposal to hinder WP. The dead silence from MS is more threatening...however. I suppose MS will strike back soon.

rikirix said:
Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?
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I dont think so. But as far as I know google didnt develop any apps for wp8, youtube and google search... I think they were developed by ms, then when you use youtube, actually it opens IE and navigates to m.youtube.com. Anyway, WP8 really threatens IOS , http://360dmobile.com/winphone-8-already-threatening-iphone-in-southern-europe/

Google has said that they have no interest in developing for Windows 8 period...(including WP8)...I have an Android phone on standby, but I think Microsoft should charge Google more for the patents that they use, or not grant any more.
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Ios was never a worthy threat to droid but wp8 seems to be worrying Google a lot.
I've read that the whole YouTube fiasco is due to some changes in platform code that Google incorporated without any early notice ! Now devs might have to push out updates to their apps to get back streaming online
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Pfff windows phone? A threat to Google? Keep dreaming...as of now Microsoft is even making more Money out of android not talk about not having faith in it's own platform
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I don't think Google are worried, They are just having a hissy fit at having to pay out for patents from MS and being an ass in the process, When you consider the percentage of Marketshare Android has at this moment they are laughing,
Microsoft are making money whatever way it goes that is maybe why they don't seem that worried about the OS.

Googles YouTube APIs never did allow for access to actual video data aside from the low-res 240p stream. At least the official APIs don't. That's why Apps like MetroTube are using other ways to gain access to that data. But so do sites like youtube2mp3 which allow people to e.g. download music from YouTube videos. Google is actually under pressure to stop that way of "music file sharing" and thats why there a) is no official API for it and b) they change it from time to time to break those sites.
In the end this is more likely directed against those websites than it is against WP8.
Google is worried about Microsoft but in that case I believe more about Windows 8 than WP8. There are already a lot more Windows 8 devices out there than there are Windows Phones. That's most likely why they are cutting EAS support from GMail. But in this case I actually don't believe it was about WP8.

StevieBallz said:
Googles YouTube APIs never did allow for access to actual video data aside from the low-res 240p stream. At least the official APIs don't. That's why Apps like MetroTube are using other ways to gain access to that data. But so do sites like youtube2mp3 which allow people to e.g. download music from YouTube videos. Google is actually under pressure to stop that way of "music file sharing" and thats why there a) is no official API for it and b) they change it from time to time to break those sites.
In the end this is more likely directed against those websites than it is against WP8.
Google is worried about Microsoft but in that case I believe more about Windows 8 than WP8. There are already a lot more Windows 8 devices out there than there are Windows Phones. That's most likely why they are cutting EAS support from GMail. But in this case I actually don't believe it was about WP8.
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Ehm..the first part of your comment made sense but regarding the fact that google is worried...i doubt, that a growing number of Windows 8 devices may bea a threat for them...on the other Side IF WP and W8 devices would gain market share, well then Google would develop apps for the platform...

Taurenking said:
Ehm..the first part of your comment made sense but regarding the fact that google is worried...i doubt, that a growing number of Windows 8 devices may bea a threat for them...on the other Side IF WP and W8 devices would gain market share, well then Google would develop apps for the platform...
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They can prevent the growing of the platform by NOT developing apps for said platform.

Why should they develop and spend tons of money For something that has a slow growing curve as WP
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It is not much of an effort really. And it pays off over time. It is not as if microsoft won't pay em.

Google isn't worried about Microsoft. The more OSs Microsoft sells that means more people can go to Google.com and use Google services and click those advertisements.
When WP and W8 gain market share you better believe there will be Google apps.
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If random people can make apps for Windows Phone that's far superior and functional than half assed efforts from Google, you know that Google's just being a **** to Microsoft. Google could just make these apps and push their own ads on the bloody apps and get all the ROI they need.

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Yesterday i discovered that metrotube and other apps that are used to access videos in youtube are not working anymore, the only ones that actually work are the ones that link you to the video throught the browser; the reason is because the google guys forbid the access to youtube videos from apps using the WP8 platform. Normally such kind of dirty tricks are used when you start to worry about something........opinions?
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When you have moments of extreme paranoia and start getting a little panicky, just stop. Concentrate on your breathing and think of relaxing things, happy memories perhaps. If these fail, try mid level mental arithmetic.. for example, think to yourself 13 x 4, then work it out, then another.. etc..

AndrewSh said:
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When you have moments of extreme paranoia and start getting a little panicky, just stop. Concentrate on your breathing and think of relaxing things, happy memories perhaps. If these fail, try mid level mental arithmetic.. for example, think to yourself 13 x 4, then work it out, then another.. etc..
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Hey, looks like you worked alot around this technique on yourself.....anyway, sorry to disappoint you but i don't need it.

rikirix said:
Hey, looks like you worked alot around this technique on yourself.....anyway, sorry to disappoint you but i don't need it.
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Sorry to disappoint you but it's just a personal tip for you from online wiki. Not my own experience. Because until now Google did not steal anything from my closet (unlike your one).

AndrewSh said:
Sorry to disappoint you but it's just a personal tip for you from online wiki. Not my own experience. Because until now Google did not steal anything from my closet (unlike your one).
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:laugh: looks like you learned wiki's tips by heart....hahahah.....i made a quick search for you mate, next time you might find something useful even here

Screw Google; Windows Phone is comming up slowly but surely. Remember how no one knew who Google was and when Apple first came out? And Windows Mobile ruled? The same thing will happen with WP8, it will take over.

sinister1 said:
Screw Google; Windows Phone is comming up slowly but surely. Remember how no one knew who Google was and when Apple first came out? And Windows Mobile ruled? The same thing will happen with WP8, it will take over.
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Lol the same thing was said about windows phone 7 in 2010 - Deja vu.

Yeah, SO i found this...(Project Ara) (XP2)

So, browsing today, i found this: You know the phoneblox concept that everyone been talking about how it will never happen? well Motorola just announced an "open modular" Phone design scheme thing. Motorola say "WE WANT TO DO FOR HARDWARE WHAT THE ANDROID PLATFORM HAS DONE FOR SOFTWARE." (sorry about caps) Heres a link, if you want to read more: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/29/5041336/motorola-project-ara-modular-smartphones
And also, from the blog:http://motorola-blog.blogspot.jp/2013/10/goodbye-sticky-hello-ara.html
Its called "Project Ara".
Pics bellow.
Discuss.
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Although I appreciate tech news as much as the next guy, I don't see how you can throw in XP2 into the title. This article is merely a pseudo update of a story from earlier in the year in regards to how PC's you can build and change out parts and as such, now Motorola, is looking into the concept of a smartphone that you can build and change its components. But I dont' the concept includes a gamepad and touchpad. Even if it did Devs would still have to support it, no support then its useless.
Again, not trying to sound like an a$$ and belittle your discovery, I am actually quite glad to see a compny actually looking into it as its a nice concept. But I fail to see how or why this could be the Xperia PLAY 2.
I think people need to realize, its been 2.5 years since this phone was released, I view our phone as along the lines as the HTC EVO 3D. A one time 'test project" to see if it would be successful enough. Clearly just as HTC is not interested in making an EVO 3D 2, Sony is not interested in making a XP2.

Woah
ozzmanj1 said:
Although I appreciate tech news as much as the next guy, I don't see how you can throw in XP2 into the title. This article is merely a pseudo update of a story from earlier in the year in regards to how PC's you can build and change out parts and as such, now Motorola, is looking into the concept of a smartphone that you can build and change its components. But I dont' the concept includes a gamepad and touchpad. Even if it did Devs would still have to support it, no support then its useless.
Again, not trying to sound like an a$$ and belittle your discovery, I am actually quite glad to see a compny actually looking into it as its a nice concept. But I fail to see how or why this could be the Xperia PLAY 2.
I think people need to realize, its been 2.5 years since this phone was released, I view our phone as along the lines as the HTC EVO 3D. A one time 'test project" to see if it would be successful enough. Clearly just as HTC is not interested in making an EVO 3D 2, Sony is not interested in making a XP2.
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Well... I just thought of it as an opportunity, not to step on anyone's toes. The reason I decided to include xp2, was due to Motorola stating:"The modules "can be anything," says Motorola, giving examples ranging from a new keyboard or battery to more unusual components such as a pulse oximeter.". Im sorry Ill remove it if it makes you happy, but i just thought...
Also, Hers A video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaPf4ZIbDVM#t=125

I think the post is fine how it is. It isn't technically an xperia play 2, but maybe in time they could make gaming parts to make a gaming phone. That in a way could be an xperia play alternative.
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insane5125 said:
I think the post is fine how it is. It isn't technically an xperia play 2, but maybe in time they could make gaming parts to make a gaming phone. That in a way could be an xperia play alternative.
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Thank you. My point exactly

Overall nice find. I love the idea behind phone bloks and I'm happy companies are looking into it.
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insane5125 said:
Overall nice find. I love the idea behind phone bloks and I'm happy companies are looking into it.
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Would you consider buying one? I hear some people think it might not work due to parts being to expensive, and people "not having enough time" to customise their phones. I would definitely buy it
from the God of gaming, the Xperia Play

mocool05 said:
Would you consider buying one? I hear some people think it might not work due to parts being to expensive, and people "not having enough time" to customise their phones. I would definitely buy it
from the God of gaming, the Xperia Play
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The thing about me is that I'm a very cautious buyer. When I buy something I make sure it does what I what the way I expect it too. So like when the PS4 & Xbox One was announced I didn't preorder it because I want to make sure there is no bugs or hardware issues. This will be the same.
Overall though yes I would consider buying one. If both phone blok and Project Ara come out I would see myself going for phone blok just because when you look at Project Ara the receivers on the back seem a little restrictive, when on phone bloks you can get difrent size parts and place them anywhere (if I want a camera on the bottom back of my phone I can do that)
PS: Have you checked out my post about the IReadyGO Much I5? If you haven't go check it out its also a Xperia Play alternative. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2404623

insane5125 said:
The thing about me is that I'm a very cautious buyer. When I buy something I make sure it does what I what the way I expect it too. So like when the PS4 & Xbox One was announced I didn't preorder it because I want to make sure there is no bugs or hardware issues. This will be the same.
Overall though yes I would consider buying one. If both phone blok and Project Ara come out I would see myself going for phone blok just because when you look at Project Ara the receivers on the back seem a little restrictive, when on phone bloks you can get difrent size parts and place them anywhere (if I want a camera on the bottom back of my phone I can do that)
PS: Have you checked out my post about the IReadyGO Much I5? If you haven't go check it out its also a Xperia Play alternative. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2404623
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You do know their becoming one?

Yeah I noticed that after I posted it my bad. But the point still stands. customization is key to the success of this idea I feel.
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insane5125 said:
Yeah I noticed that after I posted it my bad. But the point still stands. customization is key to the success of this idea I feel.
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True

Nice to hear that
It's a great innovation
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Nice to hear that
It's a great innovation

Modular connection style, no need for modular pieces
Idea: Instead of putting modular pieces onto a fixed exoskeleton(which we still have to buy from motorola), they should develop modular connectivity, something like the connectors of a USB port, but each square "piece" having two in and two out ports on the sides, that way every module can connect to every module without the need for a base station.
Something along the lines of a jigsaw puzzle, without the need for a board.
Of course I'll admit, this will be much harder on the software side of things.

I hope a lot companies will participate like carl zeiss, nikon, canon, samsung for LENS, Wolfson, Yamaha, Roland for AUDIO, for SOCs/Mainboard Intel, TI, (Nvidia and AMD i guess?) Sony, Samsung, LG for DISPLAY, Sandisk, Kingston, Samsung, and Sony for STORAGE. I may not express stuff realistically (i am a noob). Just my idea. Like we chose our own hardware/setup and there are a lots of choices and everything.:good:

marcusljx said:
Idea: Instead of putting modular pieces onto a fixed exoskeleton(which we still have to buy from motorola), they should develop modular connectivity, something like the connectors of a USB port, but each square "piece" having two in and two out ports on the sides, that way every module can connect to every module without the need for a base station.
Something along the lines of a jigsaw puzzle, without the need for a board.
Of course I'll admit, this will be much harder on the software side of things.
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They use pins. also, wouldn't it be really fragile?

rad io said:
I hope a lot companies will participate like carl zeiss, nikon, canon, samsung for LENS, Wolfson, Yamaha, Roland for AUDIO, for SOCs/Mainboard Intel, TI, (Nvidia and AMD i guess?) Sony, Samsung, LG for DISPLAY, Sandisk, Kingston, Samsung, and Sony for STORAGE. I may not express stuff realistically (i am a noob). Just my idea. Like we chose our own hardware/setup and there are a lots of choices and everything.:good:
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Yep, that was the initial plan... Anything close would be good too

In a few years that should not only be an utopic dream; I want it to be reality! Every personal computer is a modular system consisting of different and separate components like ram, cpu, gpu and much more.
So why no modular phone?
The main difficulty is the small form factor and the fact that smartphones are products with a really short lifetime. Moreover it's easier to get a whole new smartphone than buying some components to builing his personal one.
On the other side there is a wide range of new possibilities with such a project and there are a lot of people that want to use some "special" phones. Me too!
So I hope and I think, in a few years there will come first modular phones to the consumer. But maybe they will be very expensive and with less possibilities than there theoretically could be realized. Let's hope the best!

I would definatley buy one because look so funky and awesome. and you can start off small and slowly upgrade without having to get an entirely new phone

Set Standards.
I still believe once the ground rules are down and maybe 4 or 5 boards are made available (price ranging from standard to dev standards) this will work.
Each chip must use X connector, allow a max of Y volts, amps etc.
And have on demand firmware/driver loading. Hopefully with the last option, you can hotswap certain parts without switching the device off.

marcusljx said:
Idea: Instead of putting modular pieces onto a fixed exoskeleton(which we still have to buy from motorola), they should develop modular connectivity, something like the connectors of a USB port, but each square "piece" having two in and two out ports on the sides, that way every module can connect to every module without the need for a base station.
Something along the lines of a jigsaw puzzle, without the need for a board.
Of course I'll admit, this will be much harder on the software side of things.
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Nawbit wouldn't really make it harder for software, serial controllers deal with addressing chained devices all the time, look at SCSI and midi.
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