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XPERIA X2 - are You saw it allready? :)

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How is it looking for? I think, looks very good, but this orange keys on hardware keyboard, blee!
And specifications, but unfortunately not official. Looks really great!
According to insider:
-8.1mpx auto focus, VGA @ 30fps (MP4 HQ)
-3.5´ WVGA OLED (increased from 3.0 from X1)
-GPS, aGPS
-Accelerometer
-Faster processor
-512 RAM
-Custom Windows Mobile 6.5 (SE engineers customized Win6.5 which runs very. very speedy. in par with iphone and better in some cases)
-XPERIA Panels are modified with plenty of innovative features (PS3 remote play being one of them)
-Upgrading to Windows Mobile 7 is supported by Xperia panels
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really??????????? wtf SE no serious cpu update come on ¿¡¿¡¿¡¿
and LESSSSSS storage?????????
i believe the hardware pics but that About screencap better be a joke!!!!!
furthermore if they try n shaft USA on fps again ill be writing letters!!!
Edit: after calming down a bit, slightly more formal thoughts emerge...
closer examination of the pictures seems to also reveal what appear to me to be two spearks on the back = sweet jesus stereo sound that i can hear! without hacks/cabs/whatever .. and do i also notice a HARDWARE lock switch on the side?! near what appears to be the cam button!? i'lll be dipped n **** n rolled in breadcrumbs! i've longed for this ! i really hope we get upgraded to a magnetic stylus.. so many cool features available from that..
also someone mentioned it looking like a bunch of plastic = i can live with that.. i baby my phone as it is.. hardly a scratch on it.. and seeing how i don't drop it in toilets or on concrete... i'm fairly certain i can care for a plastic smartphone just as well.. not too mention it makes the overall unit LIGHTER! a lighter xperia is a great thing imho
but reallly? the same cpu ? we've got serious competition across the board in Q4 09 and beginning of 2010 phones coming out with 1GHz cpu's and UP! why bother with this outdated CPU that doesn't even support 30fps if using the MSM201A i mean why have an 8.1 mp cam that can't even record 30fps?
INSANITY!
they keyboard= EXACTLY WHAT THE XPERIA NEEDS! an independent key keyboard so we don't have the same keyboard issues we did with the X1.. *(my current x1 isn't even a year old. has been repaird once (jammed power button) and babied the rest of the way and my keyboard is going out.. i key x key m key v key spacebar key alll have issues.. at this rate i'm wondering why i didn't just get a touch HD?
"insider specs" = obviously not a faster cpu
same or less internal memory? that doesn't even make sense with an 8.1mp cam on board! wtf!
wm 6.5, while not a huge improvement seeing as how most of us are already running 6.5 it's still a better UI *titanium* than the standard 6.1 today screen
Accelerometer = Thank god! whippe! the fun begins!! *was very sad when i found out my x1 en route didn't have one *
larger 3.5 in screen possibly AMOLED = this is a huge selling poing... the damn lip on the x1's screen is veeeeery annoying especially since i rely so heavliy on touch now that my keyboard has started going bad...

It looks like pice of plastic. But 3.5" and Accelerometer, cool.
But I dont believe that's X2, or why SE start using that much plastic?
I just love that brushed metal of X1.

That "insider" is Ronka, he's not exactly known for his accuracy. Or sense, half the time. I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

AFAIK it's the early proto,
possible processor change.

I still don't see a mouse cursor on the screen. It would be nice if that were included in the new release.

damn wrong... SE really screwed it up

Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Well Microsoft seems to be on a roll lately, with mainly everyone praising windows 7, it could translate to an awesome OS for mobile as well.
On another note, if X2 is supposed to be compatible with WM 7, therefore it would have to meet the requirements of it, like multi-touch, faster processor, and such...

mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why

1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly

thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .

WhyBe said:
Well, ya know people complained about the X1 being too expensive. So if SE is going to correct "that mistake", then they have to make the device cheaper/cheesier
My next phone will be a WM7 phone. I'll cram WM6.5 into my X1 when they officially release it.
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I will pay for good quality (as I did with the X1). I won't pay for that crap though.
mrotenlu said:
Why stick with the failiure that is WM? Android has arrived remember?
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WinMo is far better.
ratchetnclank said:
Android doesn't have XDA devs. Thats why
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True!
Seafal said:
1. WM rules
2. x2 looks ugly
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True again!
amin2001 said:
thiss iss bullllllllll ****ttt ))))))))))
goddd
is this for real ? ?? ?
the X1 has amazing looks
this is like a pieace of crapp . . .
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True for the third time!
Ccccombo breaker?

What exactly makes WM better?
Performance? No
Look and feel\UI? Hell no.
Open source? No
Free? No
App store? Coming, but only for 6.5 (WTF?!) So, no.
OS updates? If your manufacturer bothers
Third party software? WM is better at software now, but Android has just started. And I believe android got more possibilities when it comes to letting third party's use every single piece of hardware in the phone.
Android got the donut update and 20 phones incoming this year so popularity will increase a lot. Androids strength is in its potential (of stuff we know are coming).
And we got the amazing integration of a tons of googles services, and lets not forget google wave that we can safely assume will be tightly integrated in android. Oh and android is the only mobile OS we've seen spotify on.
Then again, im no expert. Tell me why you guys think WM is better (besides the fanboyism I mean).
edit: oh and xda exists in order to FIX WM, but that does not make it good...

The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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... part of the price you pay for your WM phone goes to Microsoft. None of what you pay for an android phone goes to google. Is this hard to understand? We're talking about the OS here, jesus.
And you could answer yes to all the questions? Please do, and feel free to add explanations... other then "duuuuh, stupid".

doministry said:
The above post is simpy stupid.
The funniest part is "free".
WHAT is free? Haha, did you get your device for free from the store?
I could answer YES to all of your questions as well.
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Agreed 500%. Yes to all of them.

Ok,
App store: there are many dedicated WM app stores, so I don't really care now who owns that. Instead of one there are many to choose from. No problem here.
As for open source - just look at this forum. WM is definitely open source and is tweakable to the extreme.
Look and feel: well, a bit individual part. I REALLY like WM look and feel with plethora of available customizations around added to it's default look.
And I would say that the overall functionality is also on WM side.
Updates: Yes, we get free updates.
And in opposition to Android,
there's less things to improve or especially to ADD to the functionality of the OS,
so naturally you get more updates..
You talk about the connection to Google services: well, that's a bummer since I rather like to have easy connection to any services I like.
If you want to rely completely on ONE provider - your choice, I'd never do that...
And performance: well, where did you find your info?
IMO WM performance is generally great, with glitches as ANY other platform.
Plus: the amount of functional and diverse software is unbeatable on WM.
Android is young and it's one of the drawbacks too.

A500, not sexy

Was at a store for cellphone, and looked at the display models. In parallel, there were iPad 2, Samsung, Asus, and A200, the A200 is the thickest one, for some reason, might be the curve on the edge on others. A200 is the lest attractive one to my understand.

ctiger said:
Was at a store for cellphone, and looked at the display models. In parallel, there were iPad 2, Samsung, Asus, and A200, the A200 is the thickest one, for some reason, might be the curve on the edge on others. A200 is the lest attractive one to my understand.
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So why is the A500 not sexy? It is not even mentioned in your post.
You did mention the A200.
Besides, women are sexy and tablets are not suppose to be.
Also this is a wasted thread.
Shame on you for starting it.

ctiger said:
Was at a store for cellphone, and looked at the display models. In parallel, there were iPad 2, Samsung, Asus, and A200, the A200 is the thickest one, for some reason, might be the curve on the edge on others. A200 is the lest attractive one to my understand.
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Cool story bro.
That is great that you feel the A200 is the least attractive tablet to you. I don't really understand how you making a broad statement on your opinion is supposed to bring about conversation, unless you are expecting other people to
a) verbally attack your opinion
b) make their own broad statements of why they disagree with you
c) agree with you
If you don't like the A500/A200, then fine. There are tons of other tablets out there that you can buy. Coming and starting a thread where you say "the tablet you guys own is ugly" isn't productive.

REALLY?!?!
all i can say is LMAO

Hummm SEXY IS SEXY
My A5OO is IN A SEXY Red case.. And i keep in my cute pink purse.. so i would totally disagree .. MY A500 IS Sexy rather yours is or not.. SEXY IS in the eye of the Beholder...
With that all said. NICE Thread

Well, I expected to get flamed, I like my A500, just after physically played with all other devices, I have a feeling of disappointment, because obviously, several other devices are more slim, and light. I'm a tech oriented guy, so I will take functionality than good looking and speed than weight. That's the reason why I chose A500 in the first place, but thinking about the feeling, I realize that Acer is lacking on style design. It's like a car, get a car that can get you to everywhere, without burn too much gas, is one thing, get a nice car that you love, is another. When looking at a ford explorer, I like it's new design, very attractive. In the fierce competition of tablet market, something like what acer made, really lacks some spirit... They must find some ways to impress people...

ctiger said:
Well, I expected to get flamed, I like my A500, just after physically played with all other devices, I have a feeling of disappointment, because obviously, several other devices are more slim, and light. I'm a tech oriented guy, so I will take functionality than good looking and speed than weight. That's the reason why I chose A500 in the first place, but thinking about the feeling, I realize that Acer is lacking on style design. It's like a car, get a car that can get you to everywhere, without burn too much gas, is one thing, get a nice car that you love, is another. When looking at a ford explorer, I like it's new design, very attractive. In the fierce competition of tablet market, something like what acer made, really lacks some spirit... They must find some ways to impress people...
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huhhhh

The fact you have all those "techie" bits on your tab is why its so large and isn't sexy (as you say).... If it bothers you that much trade in your funtionality for a sexy but, and lets be honest, locked down piece of eye-candy that makes you feel good when you look at it but jealous when you see what you traded it for...
It reminds me of the OLD one piece "pretty" mac's that looked pretty but didn't even come with a cd drive when the other windows machines came with practically everything...
Looks aren't everything....
Besides, I prefer my tab to the others you've mentioned.... Tried them all and thought they sucked... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

ctiger said:
...A200 is the lest attractive one to my understand.
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Sexy tablets eh?
Just make sure it is legal in your country before committing...

Such a stupid thread.
Okay, now that I got that out I have a few things to say; Acer is indeed not known for making terribly beautiful devices, they are not known for their graphical designers nor for their ability to engineer devices that make you go "Wow!" when you look at them. But then again, is that really such a problem that you must make such a thread here?
Part of the reason why A500 is so big and heavy is because Acer went with a full-size USB port on it; had they skipped that the device could have been slimmed down. Another reason is that Acer is still rather new to the market and they're just trying their hands at this, so on their part it made sense to use a common base for both the A500 and the A501. Alas, there is much extra room inside A500 because of this. Then again, that can be seen as another positive thing instead of a negative thing as that extra room can be used for all sorts of things. I have a few ideas that I could use that room for, but alas, I cannot actually implement those ideas because my hands are terribly shaky.
Now, if you bought the A500 because of its features then stop whining and grow a pair. If you instead bought it because you didn't fully think the whole thing through and you want something prettier instead then go and do something about it.

ctiger said:
I like my A500, just after physically played with all other devices, I have a feeling of disappointment, because obviously, several other devices are more slim, and light.
I'm a tech oriented guy, so I will take functionality than good looking and speed than weight. That's the reason why I chose A500 in the first place, but thinking about the feeling, I realize that Acer is lacking on style design.
It's like a car, get a car that can get you to everywhere, without burn too much gas, is one thing, get a nice car that you love, is another. When looking at a ford explorer, I like it's new design, very attractive. In the fierce competition of tablet market, something like what acer made, really lacks some spirit... They must find some ways to impress people...
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If that was your OP, I feel like it could have been a way for you to open discussion around the topic of industrial design in the tblet world.
While I understand your feeling that sleek product design equates to a better product, this is a work machine for me so I prefer a full featured set in my device. I don't have any complaints with the form factor. I recently gave my wife my iPad when I got the A500 and I am enjoying using it much more. I find it easier to hold, and the 16:9 screen works better for all the video stuff I do.

Throw a sexy cover around it. That equals the playing field a little
I've seen some really fantastic "skins", one of which was just posted in the accessories forum.
There are people who buy solely on looks. Some people buy for functionality. And then, there are the people who buy cause everybody else is buying it (and they really don't know what to do with it, except play angry birds).

Moscow Desire said:
And then, there are the people who buy cause everybody else is buying it (and they really don't know what to do with it, except play angry birds).
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Or plants vs zombies, or stupid zombies......

ctiger said:
Was at a store for cellphone, and looked at the display models. In parallel, there were iPad 2, Samsung, Asus, and A200, the A200 is the thickest one, for some reason, might be the curve on the edge on others. A200 is the lest attractive one to my understand.
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Cool story brah
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Moscow Desire said:
Throw a sexy cover around it. That equals the playing field a little
I've seen some really fantastic "skins", one of which was just posted in the accessories forum.
There are people who buy solely on looks. Some people buy for functionality. And then, there are the people who buy cause everybody else is buying it (and they really don't know what to do with it, except play angry birds).
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Mine has a cover from decalgirl.com on it. they are awesome i have the redish pink floral one.The matching background makes it awesome to look at .I WANT One that has big words all over it.. I AM NOT A IPAD .. I AM NOT A I-PAD.. GRRRR
Some in society think every tablet is i-pad.. people need to get out more.
Love the Thread.

I have skins from Skinit.com ( www.skinit.com ), made a custom one:
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An excellent service for making all your portable devices sexier

WereCatf said:
I have skins from Skinit.com ( www.skinit.com ), made a custom one:
An excellent service for making all your portable devices sexier
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ohhh My I WOULD get alot of attention at doctors office with that.. Giggles .. But quite sexy no doubt

erica_renee said:
ohhh My I WOULD get alot of attention at doctors office with that.. Giggles .. But quite sexy no doubt
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Alas, I'm pretty sure you're getting lots of attention already just by being yourself.

WereCatf said:
Alas, I'm pretty sure you're getting lots of attention already just by being yourself.
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Hehehe ..
Yes but for some reason i attract older men. When i tell them im Lesbian and not interested. Well then they are even more Persistent.
Love the look on the doctors face when they ask me if i might be preg. when i remind them the true reason why i cant Be. But its a awesome experience just being asked..
guessing this is what you mean Nobody knows.nobody can tell... As i leave this alone with ENOUGH WELL TOO MUCH SAID.. Thank you very much...... Aprin 9th our 25th anniversary..
Back on topic.. The a 500 can be very sexy just depending on who hands its in... Giggles.

Come on people how do you not know things like this. Stupid things are stupid. Hope you at least know that.

[POLL] What do you guys think of the Jolla phone? Updated 13 nov.

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As you guys probably know, Jolla announced there new Jolla phone. They have updated their site. So I recommend that you visit it!
I started this poll to see the interest in it, so please let me know what you think. I also started a poll for the OS itself. Please vote there for the software only, instead of saying that the phone is bad. You can say that here
Official Jolla ringtone
Specs:
Price
399€
The Other Half colors
Dimensions & weight
Height: 131 mm
Width: 68 mm
Thickness: 9.9 mm
Weight: 141 g
Processor
Qualcomm Dual Core 1.4GHz
Network & connectivity
GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents)
WLAN802.11 b/g/n 2.4GHz
Bluetooth 4.0 EDR HS
AGPS & GLONASS
USB2.0 HS
Standard 3.5mm 4-pin audio jack
Micro SIM
Standard MicroUSB connectivity and charging
Extension interfaces for wireless NFC, power in/out and I2C data connectivity
* List of supported countries and operators will be published later.
Memory
16GB storage
1GB RAM
MicroSD slot
Display
Ample 4.5" IPS qHD (960x540) display
5-point multi-touch with Gorilla 2™ Glass
Camera
8MP AF camera with LED flash
2MP front-facing camera
Sensors
Proximity
Accelerometer
Gyro
E-compass
Ambient light
Power
Talk & stand-by time (approx.): 9 / 10hrs (GSM/3G) & 500hrs
User-replaceable battery (2100mAh, 3.8V, 7.98Wh)
Hands on videos:
What do you guys think about it? Do you think that "The Other Half"

Interesting phone and interesting OS but I think they are getting it out way too slow.. but anyway if they get some air under their wings jolla phone may be my next phone ;D :thumbup:
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And about other half I think it's great idea, only thing I wonder is that is it durable enough.. we'll see
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rockknee said:
Interesting phone and interesting OS but I think they are getting it out way too slow.. but anyway if they get some air under their wings jolla phone may be my next phone ;D :thumbup:
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And about other half I think it's great idea, only thing I wonder is that is it durable enough.. we'll see
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Thanks for your response.
I agree with you about that they are a little bit too slow to release it. They are saying the end of the year
I do think that the other half is durable enough. They are ex-Nokia people so they know how to make durable stuff.
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I bought the N9, and loved that phone, but drawbacks for me where that the lag started to kick in after a while, general UI lag, and lack of certain applications. other than that it was perfect. I love the swiping thing, hence why I really like pie controls. LTE is nice and all, but I need decent battery life without switching batteries, real multitasking, and something that I enjoy using.
also the other half stuff, fingers crossed for keyboard accessory I loved the N900

m4r0v3r said:
I bought the N9, and loved that phone, but drawbacks for me where that the lag started to kick in after a while, general UI lag, and lack of certain applications. other than that it was perfect. I love the swiping thing, hence why I really like pie controls. LTE is nice and all, but I need decent battery life without switching batteries, real multitasking, and something that I enjoy using.
also the other half stuff, fingers crossed for keyboard accessory I loved the N900
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Install fastern9 if you want your phone to always be responsive.
I think it's a great phone, but I don't have money and I just got my s3 also *tears*

wardoc22 said:
Install fastern9 if you want your phone to always be responsive.
I think it's a great phone, but I don't have money and I just got my s3 also *tears*
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What do you think of "The Other Half"?

tbo-art said:
What do you think of "The Other Half"?
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Makes it look interesting and strange at the same time.
It's a cool concept, could be a complete success with useful features or just a big gimmick.

tbo-art said:
What do you think of "The Other Half"?
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I think it is an interesting idea.
I love the possibility to change my back-cover, and implementing functions to is it sounds fun.
And for people who do not like to change their back-covers, they don't have to.
wardoc22 said:
Makes it look interesting and strange at the same time.
It's a cool concept, could be a complete success with useful features or just a big gimmick.
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Yeah.
They need to make it interesting, so that many people would use the features. And when there is big userbase, other manufacturers start making their own innovations based on "The other half"(I mean other halves with different functionalities).
Sorry if the english is kinda bad. I couldn't find better words when writing this

julle131 said:
I think it is an interesting idea.
I love the possibility to change my back-cover, and implementing functions to is it sounds fun.
And for people who do not like to change their back-covers, they don't have to.
Yeah.
They need to make it interesting, so that many people would use the features. And when there is big userbase, other manufacturers start making their own innovations based on "The other half"(I mean other halves with different functionalities).
Sorry if the english is kinda bad. I couldn't find better words when writing this
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I agree with you. If they release a Other Half with a keyboard for example, then there will be a lot of people interested I think.
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it's good to see that xda is giving positive response to the jolla phone. hopefuly, "the other half" will not be a gimmick as the half of the phone depends on this.
think of it in this way: apple products has stuff like docks from connectors etc. this concept is similar to those docks. but portable.

Arty. said:
it's good to see that xda is giving positive response to the jolla phone. hopefuly, "the other half" will not be a gimmick as the half of the phone depends on this.
think of it in this way: apple products has stuff like docks from connectors etc. this concept is similar to those docks. but portable.
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I hope the Other Halfs get as many different choices as there a docks for Apple devices
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So it runs android apps...so is this Android with a launcher thats all over the OS or like BlackBerry where you need a certain runtime and .apks that have to be converted a certain format? Looks interesting, though, and if its the former I wonder how an aftermarket launcher would work :good:

ridgeracer00 said:
So it runs android apps...so is this Android with a launcher thats all over the OS or like BlackBerry where you need a certain runtime and .apks that have to be converted a certain format? Looks interesting, though, and if its the former I wonder how an aftermarket launcher would work :good:
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It is more like BlackBerry. SailfishOS is an os based on Meego. Which is based on Linux, just like Android. On top of SailfishOS there is a layer to run Android apps. I hope you can understand my explanation
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If android app compatibility is there then it can take a start.

hex_code said:
If android app compatibility is there then it can take a start.
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But the Android apps can't use the Sailfish stuff. So I think that native apps are really important. Lets hope that developers see this as an important platform to develop for.

How long will it take to get your hands on this phone?
I think the Jolla phone is somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure I'll ever get to try it out. There will be VERY few of them (like there were very few of the N9, which I still own today). I hope somehow the good ideas can be brought to a wider audience, especially the pully menu idea, which would be great for larger phones and allows a stable grip on the lower half of the device But really all the swipe driven UI features.are pretty slick.
Hopefully, I'll get my hands on one somehow.

hacker00740 said:
I think the Jolla phone is somewhat interesting, but I'm not sure I'll ever get to try it out. There will be VERY few of them (like there were very few of the N9, which I still own today). I hope somehow the good ideas can be brought to a wider audience, especially the pully menu idea, which would be great for larger phones and allows a stable grip on the lower half of the device But really all the swipe driven UI features.are pretty slick.
Hopefully, I'll get my hands on one somehow.
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In which country do you live? I think that they are doing a fine job for their first phone. They got Europe completely covered and they are even planning on releasing them in China. So I say well done for that. Their are a lot of phones that only come to the US, which is sometimes frustrating

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In which country do you live? I think that they are doing a fine job for their first phone. They got Europe completely covered and they are even planning on releasing them in China. So I say well done for that. Their are a lot of phones that only come to the US, which is sometimes frustrating
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LOL. I completely agree that Jolla is doing a good job, but I'm in the State of Texas! So, I'm not sure what the 4G compatibility will be, etc. But phones are my love, so if I can get it, I will.
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LOL. I completely agree that Jolla is doing a good job, but I'm in the State of Texas! So, I'm not sure what the 4G compatibility will be, etc. But phones are my love, so if I can get it, I will.
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At least you have 4G. Here in the Netherlands the providers promise to have it at the end of the year. But I suspect that it will be the first quarter. Maybe the second.
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Nice, not amazing
The phone itself is nice, not amazing in any way. It looks very plastic-like, and makes me worry about scratches, especially on the glass-front.
The "Other half" is amazing, can be brilliant if executed well - it depends very heavily on manufacturer support.
And yes I have preordered, and will hang on to my N900 until then.

Steam controller... remind you of anything?

Steam has just revealed the new controller to go with their new OS/Console:
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Notice anything familiar? The Xperia Play's dual touchpads were oft overlooked, but were the device's best-kept secret.
I wrote about why they were a revelation a year ago on Xperia Gamer: http://www.xperiagamer.com/Blog3/xperia-play-touch-pads-a-touch-of-genius.html#!
Xperia Play: ahead of its time? Only time will tell.

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Xperia Play: ahead of its time? Only time will tell.
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I have to agree with this.
Once i opened my Play (for flex replacement) i was amazed how that Play's dual touchpads is just one single touchpad like in laptops, with a simple connection to the motherboard. And i've seen so many opened laptops that even in Play's case i am surtain that ordinary PS/2 protocol is used (just as in laptops)
I'm glad to see more hardware that is based on touchpads instead of analog stick.

I really like using touchpads more often than analog sticks. The touchpad is like using a mouse, more accuracy and more speed (e.g. First/Third Person Shooters).

RoboticBuddy said:
I really like using touchpads more often than analog sticks. The touchpad is like using a mouse, more accuracy and more speed (e.g. First/Third Person Shooters).
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The touchpads on the Play are God-awful. Way to sensitive and half time my thumb slides off them. They are best left in the past
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The touchpads on the Play are God-awful. Way to sensitive and half time my thumb slides off them. They are best left in the past
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I disagree, it has the edges around it and the center pokes out a bit also. I think it really depends on how its implemented, some games control better than others.
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korrectmethod said:
I disagree, it has the edges around it and the center pokes out a bit also. I think it really depends on how its implemented, some games control better than others.
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I'm afraid CTU_Loscombe was correct, or at least for the most part. The dual touch pads on the Xperia play, for the most part, looked (and played) like utter crap, but those few titles produced by those developers that 'got' them hinted at something surprisingly innovative.
They were generally unloved and unused by developers and gamers alike. However, a handful of developers understood what they actually had in front of them: a pair of laptop-style mouse touchpads. And once you code with this in mind, you can end up with a control mechanism that more resembles the hallowed, devastating Mouse-and-Keyboard combo beloved of PC gamers. Fire up Dead Space, ShadowGun or Minecraft - three games that utterly nail the dual touchpad controls - and it looks for all the world like you are using a mouse and keyboard.
I'm not saying Valve have copied and built on what Sony Ericsson have done here - I think it's more a case of convergent evolution, but either way I've already had a taste of what this new controller can potentially do, and - naysayers and pessimists aside - I think the status quo is in for a pleasant surprise.

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I'm afraid CTU_Loscombe was correct, or at least for the most part. The dual touch pads on the Xperia play, for the most part, looked (and played) like utter crap, but those few titles produced by those developers that 'got' them hinted at something surprisingly innovative.
They were generally unloved and unused by developers and gamers alike. However, a handful of developers understood what they actually had in front of them: a pair of laptop-style mouse touchpads. And once you code with this in mind, you can end up with a control mechanism that more resembles the hallowed, devastating Mouse-and-Keyboard combo beloved of PC gamers. Fire up Dead Space, ShadowGun or Minecraft - three games that utterly nail the dual touchpad controls - and it looks for all the world like you are using a mouse and keyboard.
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Well I did say it depends on the game and how its implemented. You listed 3 great games that did it right, and I'd add MC4, nova 3, and pewpew to that list.
Just because the play isn't fully supported by the app world doesnt mean its crap hardware that doesnt work. It's just an esoteric device and developers dont always put in the hours to code it specifically for our phone.
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I'm afraid CTU_Loscombe was correct, or at least for the most part. The dual touch pads on the Xperia play, for the most part, looked (and played) like utter crap, but those few titles produced by those developers that 'got' them hinted at something surprisingly innovative.
They were generally unloved and unused by developers and gamers alike. However, a handful of developers understood what they actually had in front of them: a pair of laptop-style mouse touchpads. And once you code with this in mind, you can end up with a control mechanism that more resembles the hallowed, devastating Mouse-and-Keyboard combo beloved of PC gamers. Fire up Dead Space, ShadowGun or Minecraft - three games that utterly nail the dual touchpad controls - and it looks for all the world like you are using a mouse and keyboard.
I'm not saying Valve have copied and built on what Sony Ericsson have done here - I think it's more a case of convergent evolution, but either way I've already had a taste of what this new controller can potentially do, and - naysayers and pessimists aside - I think the status quo is in for a pleasant surprise.
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I disagree. Most titles used it quite well: Fifa 12, Gun Bros, Modern Combat 4 ect.
Wonder if the Steam Controller will pull through

Steam controller looks so ugly .The contoller looks waaay Futuristic.Something like a 1996's movie that talk about the year 2100.

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Steam has just revealed the new controller to go with their new OS/Console:
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/
Notice anything familiar? The Xperia Play's dual touchpads were oft overlooked, but were the device's best-kept secret.
I wrote about why they were a revelation a year ago on Xperia Gamer: http://www.xperiagamer.com/Blog3/xperia-play-touch-pads-a-touch-of-genius.html#!
Xperia Play: ahead of its time? Only time will tell.
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hey steeeeve ! is that you , i always read your articles
why xperia gamer is stopped man ?

Hi mehdi.moha, thanks for your comments. I was just a contributor to the site, it wasn't run by me. The site has gone a bit quiet as of late, I think the guys that run it have been looking to do something new. I'd love to write for another website again but I'm not sure where my meagre time constraints (and, ahem, talent) would fit in.

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Hi mehdi.moha, thanks for your comments. I was just a contributor to the site, it wasn't run by me. The site has gone a bit quiet as of late, I think the guys that run it have been looking to do something new. I'd love to write for another website again but I'm not sure where my meagre time constraints (and, ahem, talent) would fit in.
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good luck steve
i wish some day i'll be read your article about xperia play 2 - review ... :fingers-crossed:

The only problem with Play's pads is that they are small. When you move your big thumb around on a small area, its way too sensitive.
You need to use "thumb roll" when you finetune your aim.
I dont think that touchpads will replace analogs sticks in the near future. There needs to be some sort of feedback to your fingers (much like when you write on the touchscreen, you always get that nice vibration)
I think that they said somewhere that Steam controllers bads "give in" just a tiny bit so that the surfaces isnt just solid piece of plastic ? Not sure though if I understood it correctly.
Steam controller could work decently with those touchpads.

PiPO W8 Tablet: 10.1" 2560x1600 Intel Core-M 4GB, 64/128GB - Windows 8.1 (x64)

W8 is the Core-M and resolution upgrade of the pretty good, high-end Baytrail (but only 32bit OS) W3.
Available in 64GB and 128GB versions, with gold or gray coloured metal back. Price ~$460 USD (64GB) isn't terrible for supposed ~2x performance over the W3 + 2560x1600 resolution, 4GB RAM, (most likely) licensed 64bit Win8.1 'with Bing' edition + large 10,000mah battery.
3G/4G capability is unclear, with 'external 3G dongle' mentioned. Perhaps takes the same Huawei 3G UltraStick as the W3, or something else. Either way, not yet clear if the '3G dongle' is included in the pre-sale listings?
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Gray back:
(May 11) Currently available for pre-order, special price (supposed to go up around May 15). Keyboard seems to be included, but some conflicting reports as sellers don't have stock yet and seem to be guessing.
Known stores:
Bangood:
64GB: http://www.banggood.com/PIPO-W8-Intel-Core-M-5Y10-2_0GHz-10_1-Inch-Windows-8_1-Tablet-p-975640.html
128GB: http://www.banggood.com/PIPO-W8-Int...1-Inch-128GB-Windows-8_1-Tablet-p-975679.html
(vouchers available)
Pompmall (listing both back colours + 128GB option)
Pipo Store
Ainol-novo
Geekbuying (expensive).
Specs: (from Pipo-store):
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OS: Windows 8.1
CPU: Intel Core M
GPU: Intel HD Graphics 5300
RAM: 4GB DDR3L
ROM: 64GB
Screen: IPS, capacitive touch screen, G+G screen
Size: 10.1 inch; 16:10
Resolution: 2560*1600 pixels
Visible Angle: 178°
Gravity Sensor: Yes
Camera: front is 2.0 megapixels, back is 5.0 megapixels
HDMI: Support
WIFI: 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth: v4.0
Ethernet: USB to Ethernet
OTG: USB to OTG
USB: USB 3.0
3G: 3G Dongle
Video: 4K, MEPG 1/2/4, H.263/H2.64, RMVB, WMV/VC-1, MVC, AVS, MJPEG
Music: MP3, WMA, WAV, OGG, FLAC, ALAC, APE, AAC, AC-3
Card Extension: Support TF card
Multi-Touch: Support
Language: English, Russian and Chinese
Skype: Yes
Flash: Flash 11
HTML5: Support
Speaker: dual speaker design
Battery: 10000mAh*3.8V=38Wh
Email and Browser: Yes, built in
Earphone Interface: 3.5mm
Size: 299*179*10.8mm
Ports:
1 x USB 3.0
1 x 2.5mm DC
1 x 3.5mm earphone
1 x HDMI
1 x MicroSD
Pipo W8 Tablet Package Including:
1 x Pipo W8 Tablet
1 x USB
1 x Charger(12V,3A)

Any more word from any of the suppliers? I was torn on waiting for reviews but I miss having a tablet so I'll likely buy this on release day and hope for the best :S

NeoMatrixJR said:
Any more word from any of the suppliers? I was torn on waiting for reviews but I miss having a tablet so I'll likely buy this on release day and hope for the best :S
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No nothing and it seems nobody has stock yet. I'm in the same boat, will probably buy the 128GB from Bangood (though I'd prefer the gray back).

If you're not following the W3 thread anymore, it seems some people got a non-original W3 keyboard (or maybe unbranded sightly different ones from the factory) from Banggood. So we should ask for a picture of it before ordering.

It's the final countdown....
So, if the information given by banggood is correct this should go on sale sometime on the 15th. That means that at some time after ~ 9pm or so central time this should be available. I'm hoping they don't change the price much. Of the other core m tabs they have the onda and the cube and the teclast is also "alert me on arrival." It's interesting, I just noted that they have it looks like 3 SKUs for the i7... 64gb, 128gb, and 128gb + kbd (increasing in price). The Onda (64gb only) also comes with a keyboard. Only the Teclast and the Pipo have the > FHD screen and the teclast is listed at $669.99! I'll have my fingers crossed all day today waiting on word for this. Good luck to anyone else considering it.

dealabs i just a social site where you post deals.
the link goes to bangood. if you could edit that.

Not yet....
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From Banggood last night after I inquired about an update:
We are sorry to inform you that the item doesn't put on sale for now.Because the manufaturer need to debug the software. Besides, this item won't have keyboard.So sorry for that.
For the selling price, we are not very sure now. But it may be close to the selling price on our website.
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I see pipo-store and pompmall haven't released this either. I hope we'll see something soon. I indicated that other sellers have said it will come with the keyboard so I'm hoping this changes from Banggood. If they keep to selling without the keyboard I may have to purchase elsewhere....
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Thanks @reggiexp, removed.
@NeoMatrixJR thanks for the update. Sucks though, well it's better they fix the bugs rather than letting early adopters suffer them all. Re. keyboard I don't trust anyone to know at this point until stock comes in. Hope they're wrong ...

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thanks for the update. Sucks though, well it's better they fix the bugs rather than letting early adopters suffer them all. Re. keyboard I don't trust anyone to know at this point until stock comes in. Hope they're wrong ...
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I don't know...depending on how bad the errors are. If it works and they don't need to make hardware changes (and I'd hope they don't at this point or we're going to be waiting a while) I'd almost rather get my tablet and update it later. But I can understand why they wouldn't want to do that. There's going to be a lot more people that would be pissed about getting a tablet with issues. But again...I'm tablet-less at the moment so I just want something. Maybe I'll step down and borrow mom's old ASUS TF101 for now....
Wow...newegg flash has the Lenovo Miix 2 11 w/ keyboard for $499. Tempting...No USB 3 and only FHD though. Core i5 & SSD though. I wonder if a 4th gen i5 > core m?

I do not see decent modern manufacturers.
I do not use closed systems, such as m$ software, since at least 1998.
And I do not recommend android system now, also, that is just can look like open system, but in really it is something like honeypot. Where, for example, google play is far enough from the greatest evil . Yep, android can even mask itself, under some independent more or less clear distributions, but in really it is the jast the same - only on new more sophisticated spiral turn.
Given the above, and that, if we even can check open code now, we can not check hardware, certainly.
Early I could choose the components for my desktop, personal computer. Now manufacturers try push me into the trap. Given, that everything is clear with the other, but what is wrong with Chinese manufacturers? Or, simply saying, if they do not preset w..s, they do not get processors from Intel?
I do not interesting in bright and meaningless advertisement pictures of new devices. Understandable, that setting open system on theme device with Intel system on a chip is more likely. But where is the video or screen pictures of device startup process? Where the first advertisement string, that must contain only one thing - that I can buy device without any preinstalled system and set some open, free, by my choice, as in past on desktop computer? Where the possibility to change parts in my personal tablet computer, as in past with desktop computers? So, it is remain now to look on ARM devices side, where some of such devices start appears.
Dear, Intel, in spite of all your contributions to the open source, where is in really good new, clear from stock devices? Dear, not only Chinese manufacturers - while all so, all this tonns of new beautifull persoanl spies may remain in your storages. I am not interesting anymore to waite, while you debug your, so called, software. I just will vote with my money .
By the way, dear, Intel, probably, in this time and exactly this will allow to say to x86 - goodbye.

NeoMatrixJR said:
I don't know...depending on how bad the errors are. If it works and they don't need to make hardware changes (and I'd hope they don't at this point or we're going to be waiting a while) I'd almost rather get my tablet and update it later.
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Could be hardware issues like charging problems, drivers not working, BIOS bugs (worst-case causing bricking), screen not waking, black holes opening and swallowing our solar system, Harry Shearer quitting The Simpsons... I could do without any of those . Don't forget, you don't want to have to ship it back to China, ever.
Wow...newegg flash has the Lenovo Miix 2 11 w/ keyboard for $499. Tempting...No USB 3 and only FHD though. Core i5 & SSD though. I wonder if a 4th gen i5 > core m?
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I've lost count of the gens, but the benchmarks show that Core-M's are somewhere between recent dual-core i3 and i5 (sometimes even approaching the i5). At least if the thermal solution is good. Sounds a pretty good deal if it suits you (I need USB3 and don't like the 16:9 aspect).

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I do not use closed systems, such as m$ software, since at least 1998.<snip>
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I respect your opinion (I've been Windows-only like forever). I'm not clear though how you expect to be able to change the internals of tablets. They are designed to be as slim as possible, as such they cannot easily be made modular (not impossible, but more expensive and size will suffer a little). And of course it's much simpler/cheaper to build dedicated devices. That also allows integration of various peripherals into fewer chips, again making things smaller and drivers more reliable. And I expect that also makes things like booting faster, and power consumption lower, as the whole system is built from the ground up for mobile usage, and tweaked mainly by Intel, giving likely less bugs, compatibility problems and better quality drivers then mixing and matching components from different vendors.
Sure, it would be a big bonus if you could at least change the battery easily. And maybe tablets will get more modular for some parts (eg. swap the camera out), upgrade the memory etc. But at the moment everyone wants to be as slim and lightweight as possible, that's the priority. Once the technology gets too slim, they can make things modular.

Got this from Pipo's Facebook account last night:
W8 will be shipped end of this week
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Got this from Pipo's Facebook account last night:
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Great.

_gl said:
Great.
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Pipo store are still saying keyboard included. Replied asking about what exactly the 3G dongle is (W3 Ultrastick or something else):
"Onc eit is in stock, we will release it on our website at the first time. PIPO W8 do comes with the Pipo keyboard. Sorry but the PIPO Official has not released the PIPO W8 is not built-in 3G network, but it support 3G Dongle. You need to buy the 3G Dongle by your own."​

Processors comparison.
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I wonder if a 4th gen i5 > core m?
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I've lost count of the gens, but the benchmarks show that Core-M's are somewhere between recent dual-core i3 and i5 (sometimes even approaching the i5).
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I use cpuboss site to comparison. For example, Lenovo Miix 2 with 4th Generation Intel Core i5 4202Y vs PIPO W8 Intel Core M-5Y10, please, see in Attachment.
And do not look onto KDE, please, case it is just some tempoary machine, from I wrote now.

Modular personal computer.
_gl said:
I respect your opinion (I've been Windows-only like forever). I'm not clear though how you expect to be able to change the internals of tablets. They are designed to be as slim as possible,
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_gl, thank you for your answer. I agree with you here, certainly.
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as such they cannot easily be made modular (not impossible, but more expensive and size will suffer a little).
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The priority in the design should not be profit at the expense of monolithic of products, but user convenience due to the modularity of products. For example, the main interesting claimed advantage of PIPO W8 can consider 10.1 Inch Retina Capacitive Screen with 2560*1600 resolution. In principle different situation, anyone could purchase a required separate screen module, motherboard module with SOC, memory module, power module and required interfaces modules. Then connect all this tougether. Of course, it is requires standardization. Which manufacturers will be resist.
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And of course it's much simpler/cheaper to build dedicated devices. That also allows integration of various peripherals into fewer chips, again making things smaller and drivers more reliable. And I expect that also makes things like booting faster, and power consumption lower, as the whole system is built from the ground up for mobile usage, and tweaked mainly by Intel, giving likely less bugs, compatibility problems and better quality drivers then mixing and matching components from different vendors.
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Yep, you right. But you describe current situation. And creators of this sutuation is manufacturers, not customers. In really, this is not right situation. We constantly see, what it brings. Moreover, as usually, manufacturers have possibility to goes further, due customers. Everything should be the opposite. We, customers must define situation, what is more convenient for us - case we pay.
_gl said:
Sure, it would be a big bonus if you could at least change the battery easily. And maybe tablets will get more modular for some parts (eg. swap the camera out), upgrade the memory etc. But at the moment everyone wants to be as slim and lightweight as possible, that's the priority. Once the technology gets too slim, they can make things modular.
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Heh , Certainly. Agree here. Perhaps, in 10-20 years, currently estimated rather powerful computers, in size of a business card or less will not cost anything. However, the main priority already now must be not the combination, for example, of speed, size or weight, but respect from the manufacturer side for the rights of the customer by a fairly large number of criteria. Thus, the product must be honest with the customer. For example, guarantee the same privacy. With what modern manufacturers have serious problems.
Regarding modular phones, tablets - probably you know, Google working on Ara. There are exists and other simpler, for example, Click ARM One, HN1 Modules Tablet.

dzp said:
_gl,The priority in the design should not be profit at the expense of monolithic of products, but user convenience due to the modularity of products. For example, the main interesting claimed advantage of PIPO W8 can consider 10.1 Inch Retina Capacitive Screen with 2560*1600 resolution. In principle different situation, anyone could purchase a required separate screen module, motherboard module with SOC, memory module, power module and required interfaces modules. Then connect all this tougether. Of course, it is requires standardization. Which manufacturers will be resist.
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Sure, but we know what kind of compatiblity nightmare that can be on PCs. Mobile devices try to be 'simple', that's was most people want from them. Buy it, use it. Having to find drivers or figuring out why hardware A and B sometimes don't play nice together or (worst-case) bluescreen/crash doesn't really work on a phone or tablet. They just have to work and be painless/fun to use.
I agree though, a modular option would be cool and can be done. But we're in the early stages of mobile, once innovation slows down I'm sure we'll see more modularity.
Yep, you right. But you describe current situation. And creators of this sutuation is manufacturers, not customers.
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I disagree, due to most people wanting mobile things to 'just work' (which is what Apple did so brilliantly). Imagine if you had to worry about making the hardware of an iPhone work well together, nobody except power users wants this (that's why most people don't jailbreak either). I'm a desktop power-user (that's why I like the W3 and W8, as they are higher-end proper desktop-capable machines) and I run my own programs on them and customize a lot. But most people don't need that to do basic browsing and watch movies.
In really, this is not right situation. We constantly see, what it brings. Moreover, as usually, manufacturers have possibility to goes further, due customers. Everything should be the opposite. We, customers must define situation, what is more convenient for us - case we pay.
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I agree, but I think we're unfortunately in the minority. If everybody wanted modularity or ethics, we'd get it. Many people don't even care about non-replaceable batteries 'coz they plan to buy the next model before it runs out. Mobile is in the early crazy-fast stage of innovation, it will slow down and then people may want something they can upgrade, rather than sell on every time.
However, the main priority already now must be not the combination, for example, of speed, size or weight, but respect from the manufacturer side for the rights of the customer by a fairly large number of criteria. Thus, the product must be honest with the customer. For example, guarantee the same privacy. With what modern manufacturers have serious problems.
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Yes those are fair points. Right now it's just about (unfortunately) disposable technology & performance, I do hope people think more about the social and ethical implications at some point.
Regarding modular phones, tablets - probably you know, Google working on Ara. There are exists and other simpler, for example, Click ARM One, HN1 Modules Tablet.
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Yep I saw a few things about the Ara, it's a nice idea. But if it ends up costing a bit more, weighing a bit more, and maybe sightly less powerful than a closed solution, most people will pass it by (right now). Will be interesting how it turns out though.

_gl, sorry, by the way, for my slight deviations from your theme and for my english. But we have interesting discussion.
In really not only modern phones and tablets have modular construction already. But this "modularity" is just with what working manufacturer's engineers inside design centers.
_gl said:
Sure, but we know what kind of compatiblity nightmare that can be on PCs. Mobile devices try to be 'simple', that's was most people want from them.
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Yep. But personal home computers of 80's is not the same, as personal mobile devices in 2015, moreover mostly time connected with net. initially, computers was mostly designed from engeneers to engineers. Of course, this does not mean, that computers have to be complicated. But noone still does not know exactly, what means "simple" in terms of most people. Search systems and many other different systems already trying to manipulate the consciousness of people.
Major evolutionary changes make overestimate related to a personal computer. We does not know already, what information collecting from our personal devices, and how it used in most cases. More fun is, when corporations, following the wishes of "simplicity" from most people and own inner reasons, will start integrate elements of artificial intelligence into personal computer operating systems. It can be a lil less fun, for example, if onetime, some artificial joints, mounted to continue increasing longevity, suddenly will start direct legs to some not desired direction . What do w...s every moment on your personal device? What do android every moment on your personal device? We do not know in really. We does not know even, what additional blocks are integrated on chip and what purposes they are - this chips and blocks are too small . When you interact with your personal computer - is it still you with your own individuality, or already more or less changed in a certain direction person? In past and now the most important characteristics was the speed of computer. I guess, pretty soon the most important feature will be encryption strength, the force of information protection of the system, which, of course, is related with performance. In these circumstances, it is important to continually critical reevaluate, what corporations silently try to introduce, fully overestimate structure of equipment proposed for the sale, perhaps even from the law level. Something like - manufacturer not have right to releasing information equipment without fully opening its composition to be able to provide a complete check.
_gl said:
Buy it, use it. Having to find drivers or figuring out why hardware A and B sometimes don't play nice together or (worst-case) bluescreen/crash doesn't really work on a phone or tablet.
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This is not customers guilty. This is guilty of manufacturers, that in the pursuit of profit did not want to agree in standards, include software quality.
_gl said:
But we're in the early stages of mobile, once innovation slows down I'm sure we'll see more modularity.
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That's right, I agree.
_gl said:
But most people don't need that to do basic browsing and watch movies.
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Yes, but most people usually see just tip of the iceberg. They see only, what they are allowed to see. Once people are awake, but will be too late.
_gl said:
I agree, but I think we're unfortunately in the minority. If everybody wanted modularity or ethics, we'd get it. Many people don't even care about non-replaceable batteries 'coz they plan to buy the next model before it runs out. Mobile is in the early crazy-fast stage of innovation, it will slow down and then people may want something they can upgrade, rather than sell on every time.
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Yep, you totally right.

Good discussion dzp, it's good that people are looking at the bigger picture of technology.
Pipo-store replied about the 3G dongle, but said nothing useful (I guess they don't know yet):
"We will release the 3G dongle that compatiable with the PIPO W8 on our website soon. Zoe"
No confirmation if it's the same as W3 etc.