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Archos Tablets vs Galaxy Tab

I'm sure the Galaxy Tab will be slightly more powerful... But I can't believe by much.
The Archos Tablets are coming out late September-mid October.
There will be many different sizes... 10.1", 7", 4.3"... etc.
I see people saying the Galaxy tab will cost more than 600$. That's absurd.
All of Archos's tablets are <$300
I own a Vibrant, and believe me, I love it. But I personally will be getting an Archos 10.1 . $299 isn't asking for much.
What do you think.
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Of course I am expecting some sort of hack to run the Market on the Archos... that's honestly the only down side but not necesarily a deal breaker.

I would be really hesistant to get an Archos tablet - they've been putting these out for a little while now, but their track record has not been great. Maybe this will change with their new designs - I hadn't heard or read up on the Archos 70 - but they just released the Archos Home 7 a few months ago, and it was not particularly well received.
EDIT: The Archos spec sheet says they are using an ARM A8 based processor, so it could be on par with the A8-based Hummingbird in terms of CPU power - no mention of what GPU is being used though. The GPU on the Hummingbird is an absolute (mobile) beast.

I honestly was about to buy a Z-180 til i heard of the Archos.
And yes... the GPU on the Galaxy S's are supreme...
10.1" Galaxy Tab = king. 7" is too small for me for a tablet. Tablet = halfway between smart phone and netbook. 7" tablet = halfway between smartphone and tablet. Lol

Spec wise, id say the Gtab has a great edge just because of its on board gpu. What you need to think about is how much of a difference that makes to you.
If you just want normal stuff, then no big deal. If you want to play 3d games or play true high def content then the Tab looks way better. If not then well.... The opposite.
Personally I think the archos is just for watching stuff, and the Tab is more of a daily driver.
I wouldn't think about pricing just yet, because until we get numbers from samsung, everything is bull****. Just cast it from your mind.
For me, the Tab is the right size. The appeal is that it'll fit in a coat pocket, or you can just toss out into a bag. 10 inches is huge (anyone who just smirked: shame on you!) and although the nice big screen is ok at home, to me its just impractical in public, particularly since you have to grasp it, not just let it rest in your hand.
Finally, does the archos have a phone in it? That would make.a difference to me to be honest.
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Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.

andershizzle said:
Yeah it's all down to personal preference about 7" or 10"... A tablet would be more of an 'at-home' thing for me... My phone is for the go aha.
I'm sure the Archos would be able to handle some 3d games though. We'll see...
They both hop on the 1GHz. I don't know much about Archos GPU though.
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Oh yeah, the archos should handle the games and stuff as well as an equivalently specced phone, its certainly no slouch. Just the tab is 'better'.
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I'm in the same dilemma right now too...not sure whether to go with the archos 7 inch or 10 inch....or whether to buy the galaxy tab....and a major deciding factor will be the pricing of the tab once its announced...

Yes if the Tab is any more than 400 I probably will go with the Archos... Can't beat $299

The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.

Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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mesasone said:
The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.
Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
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If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand

As long as it has decent quality and runs latest stock android.
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BigJayDogg3 said:
Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.
There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
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Uh, like what specifically?

Heavy gunner.
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LostAlone said:
If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.
Food for thought anyway.
The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?
Certainly would help me understand
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There's an 8GB Flash Memory 7" tablet, expandable with Micro SD, and then there's a 7" tablet with an actual internal 250GB Hard Drive.
The 10" has a 8GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 299$ and 16GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 349$

Ah ok I get ya.
I assumed that it was one device with aftermarket add ons *facepalm* the 250gig version sounds pretty GOOD in theory at least
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Anyways, I think what will make the real difference to the choice will be how much you want mobile data. There seems to be two schools of thought on how to use a tablet device here:
a) Those who would be wanting a tablet to augment their current device.
b) Those who see a small form factor tablet as a total alternative.
For those in camp A, the archos has to be a better device. Not only because of cost, but the extra capacity is definitely a head turner.
For those in camp B, the Tabs 3g radio and actual phone capabilities wins the game hands down.
Personally I am much more of a B. I would certainly be happy with an archos. However, since Im not the kind of person who would use it at home, it'd only do service as a media device on long trips. And it'd make me happy in that capacity.
However, since the Tab offers that same performance (less capacity, but I can't see why I would ever need to load up 250gigs of anything) and extras, I just see myself using it more. In my head I can see me using it to hold my notes or whatever I'm working from, and then I can just kick over to a web browser to find what I need or take calls or whatever, all in one device. Of course, I can still use my phone as a phone and my Tab the same as the archos, but I have the choice.
I think that the times I am sitting on a station waiting for a train or whatever, I would kick myself for not having the data use, and anytime where I have to scrabble through my pockets for my phone.
Am still waiting on pricing of course. If the Tab is ridiculously priced (I maintain that this isn't likely to happen) then I may well say screw it and get an archos or indeed another tablet, because much as I love the tab, I'm only willing to pay so much for what I see as the bonuses of using one. If the Tab is competitively priced against the archos, I can't see why anyone would buy the archos (unless they are comitted to carrying a silly amount of media), because even if you never use the added 3g functionality, you know its there. I figure a lot of people will be waiting on the pricing, because if the Tab is say 50-100 bucks more than the archos, its a no brainer. 100-150 more, and its a personal preference. Any more than that and its to much.
The TLDR version:
With my lifestyle, the phoneness of the Tab makes it a real winner. To others, perhaps not, but then again we all have to make our own choices as to what device/s fits for us
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LostAlone said:
Ah ok I get ya.
BJD3's abbv. version.
I'd like a tablet that can replace my phone.
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This is exactly the same boat im in. Id have to get one off contract since i just bought a captivate and plan on keeping it.
My thing is i just refuse to pay for two data plans, especially when i have AT&Ts grandfathered unlimited plan. And without 3G i can't justify the purchase of a tablet to myself.
So for me to even consider a tablet, it would HAVE to include a telephone. This is one reason i was so excited about the Streak, nut Dell kept dragging their feet bringing it to the US.
At this point, the Tab hits all my check marks, it just has to be priced somewhere south of 550 USD.
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I currently own and use an Archos 5IT 5" android tablet.
Hardware wise, it outperforms the T-mobile Galaxy S that my roommate uses, with a processor that is clocked at 600mhz. I do not remember the chipset information off the top of my head, but it is a TI chip that has some solid power on the graphics side, and OpenGL support is available now with the latest firmware updates.
The biggest issue with Archos 5IT is that while updates have been constant for the device, there is no plans to put Android 2.0+ on the device, it is currently running 1.6 and will continue to do so until a 3rd party is able to port over something newer.
The new Archos tablets will not have any "phone parts" included in them, that is part of the reason for the lower price.
It will also include their standard Archos Media Center addin, which is a rather nice full function media application that runs overtop Android on the 5IT. I use their built in media center application over any Android based ones due to its simple UI and built in access to network shares, and all in all its pretty solid.
Otherwise, I have had nothing but good things to say about the device, in spite of its few quirks, most of which are being addressed with the newest models.

I plan on using my Vibrant's "MobileAP" for 3g Data on Archos if ever needed. Why pay for two plans? Heh. So the phone capabilities don't mean much for me. Even then it'd be an at home kind of system.

Ill admit the Archos is a good tablet, but two things keep me from getting it.
It lacks a multitouch screen, and it doesn't have a 3G connection.
While I'd prefer a capacitive screen, but if the screen is like the one in my Fuze, i can deal with that, and as I've said, i can't justify a tablet if any size if it diesnt have a SIM card slot.
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Vibrant's GPU

Specs and benchmark wise, we all know the Vibrant's GPU is king.
Compared to other Android phones, say a Nexus One, or a G2, where can we see the GPU shine where others can't?
Basically, what can this GPU do that others can't

Gigamaster89 said:
Specs and benchmark wise, we all know the Vibrant's GPU is king.
Compared to other Android phones, say a Nexus One, or a G2, where can we see the GPU shine where others can't?
Basically, what can this GPU do that others can't
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It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?

Mark271 said:
It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?
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But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.

PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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Essentially, you think the OP is asking what uses a GPU. Anything you see uses the GPU. The Vibrant does it all better. What you can tell the difference on is completely subjective to the person in a lot of ways.

PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?

Mark271 said:
A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?
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Really? Try moving a couch (or an entire house) with one.
Seriously, get the right tool for the right job.
More to the point, if you want to demonstrate the graphical superiority of the Vibrant put some 3D games on it.

Col.Kernel said:
Really? Try moving a couch (or an entire house) with one.
Seriously, get the right tool for the right job.
More to the point, if you want to demonstrate the graphical superiority of the Vibrant put some 3D games on it.
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The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.

what a DA
Mark271 said:
Essentially, you think the OP is asking what uses a GPU. Anything you see uses the GPU. The Vibrant does it all better. What you can tell the difference on is completely subjective to the person in a lot of ways.
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not too smart or just playing dumb, but ill play along. the op is asking what best displays the power of the gpu. like i have a ferrari and i want to show how much better than a prius it is, where can i go to show its full power.

Well, the iPhone4 uses the SGX535 for its gpu. The hummingbird uses the superior SGX540. And the G2 uses the Adreno 205. They're all great GPUs, but there's not much software out there which is designed to push it to its limits yet. Most Android games out there are designed to be playable on the NexusOne and Droid, so they're not gonna push the limits just yet.

ID Software is working on a game called RAGE. let's see how well the galaxy s runs this game compared to the nexus one! the gpu is more powerful. it runs faster, pushes more polygons, and has smoother textures. you won't notice any difference until games like RAGE are released. then you'll start to see the difference in these phones. the galaxy s phones, and those running the Tegra2 chipset are going to run away with it.

Mark271 said:
The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
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Riiiiiiight. So you're not talking about the type of vehicle that Ferrari is famous for, the little 2 seater sports cars.
I'd like to see the pic of you attempting to move a couch with one of those.
Mark271 said:
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
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No kidding? That was my original point. Glad your Detect Obvious meter is working today.
Mark271 said:
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.
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Now this is the first smart thing you've said the entire conversation.
I'm new here, where's the Ignore button? If I want to deal with obnoxious 12 year olds I can go to the Star Wars:TOR boards or 10 billion other places on the 'Net.
NM, found the Ignore button.
Maybe I'm way outta line here but I expect some intelligence on a board devoted to development. Or at the very least, logic.
Now quit derailing this guy's thread. I won't be replying to you.

Leave it to xda to not answer the question at hand.
Mark271 said:
It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?
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Sherlock Homes are we? No **** it can do things faster, I'm trying to see what it actually does better/where we can actually see a difference.
Besides, Ferrari > Prius is an opinion.
PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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At least someone gets it.
Mark271 said:
A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?
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Some cars can tow, some cars can go more than 10 miles without having to refuel, some cars can carry 2.5 people, some cars can hold more than a week's grocery, etc. etc. I'm not a doctor, but I am pretty sure the typical supercar can't do any of those.
Mark271 said:
The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.
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The irony, it's delicious!

Col.Kernel said:
Riiiiiiight. So you're not talking about the type of vehicle that Ferrari is famous for, the little 2 seater sports cars.
I'd like to see the pic of you attempting to move a couch with one of those.
No kidding? That was my original point. Glad your Detect Obvious meter is working today.
Now this is the first smart thing you've said the entire conversation.
I'm new here, where's the Ignore button? If I want to deal with obnoxious 12 year olds I can go to the Star Wars:TOR boards or 10 billion other places on the 'Net.
NM, found the Ignore button.
Maybe I'm way outta line here but I expect some intelligence on a board devoted to development. Or at the very least, logic.
Now quit derailing this guy's thread. I won't be replying to you.
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I see why Samsung doesn't care about it's smart customers figuring out problems with its devices, it has all these stupid ones that will keep buying it. Any car can tow a couch, you must have never heard of Uhaul.
Back on point, IT IS A GRAPHICS PROCESSOR. Name graphics that need processed and the Vibrant does it better. Movies, video games, youtube high definition videos, ANYTHING you can see on this phone is better than any other non SGS android phone because of it's GPU. It is completely subjective which ones you can tell the difference on, some people can tell the difference between 55 and 60 fps, others cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60

Mark271 said:
I see why Samsung doesn't care about it's smart customers figuring out problems with its devices, it has all these stupid ones that will keep buying it. Any car can tow a couch, you must have never heard of Uhaul.
Back on point, IT IS A GRAPHICS PROCESSOR. Name graphics that need processed and the Vibrant does it better. Movies, video games, youtube high definition videos, ANYTHING you can see on this phone is better than any other non SGS android phone because of it's GPU. It is completely subjective which ones you can tell the difference on, some people can tell the difference between 55 and 60 fps, others cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60
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You're basically asking, what can I do to see the difference between video cards or what will show it? Think about it this way, the g2 has a radeon 4800 and the vibrant has a radeon 4850. They do the same thing, one is better at it.
P.S. I just realized using analogies on the XDA forums is like explaining electromagnetic currents to a psychology major. I don't expect the previous repliers to my post to get this either.

this is like comparing the xbox360 to the xbox, or the ps3 to the ps2. or even better, a 2GHz dual core AMD anthlon cpu vs. the 3.2GHz AMD Phenon x6 multicore processor. they all have the same functions, but the faster more powerful ones do things faster, and more efficiently. we don't see a huge difference in the graphics yet, because there isn't any games that even come close to pushing the galaxy s gpu to it's limits. like i said, the first game that may actually push it, looks to be RAGE, from ID software. other 1GHz phones, such as the EVO 4g, may not be able to play this game considering it has a weaker gpu. whereas, the galaxy s should run this game smoothly. also, RAGE may also include options with the graphics. you may be able to turn on/off certain special effects/graphical features, depending what phone you have. with so many different phones, with a multitude of abilities, games may start being designed for the top of the line phones, with the most powerful cpu/gpus, but may give the ability to tone down the graphics for those with lesser phones. as for now, the gpu in the galaxy s is one of the best, if not the best gpu in today's phones. we don't see it as much as we should for the mere fact that there is nothing that is pushing it to it's limits. it may be a waste for the moment, but at least we are ready to future titles that will push the graphics to it's limits.

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this is like comparing the xbox360 to the xbox, or the ps3 to the ps2. or even better, a 2GHz dual core AMD anthlon cpu vs. the 3.2GHz AMD Phenon x6 multicore processor. they all have the same functions, but the faster more powerful ones do things faster, and more efficiently. we don't see a huge difference in the graphics yet, because there isn't any games that even come close to pushing the galaxy s gpu to it's limits. like i said, the first game that may actually push it, looks to be RAGE, from ID software. other 1GHz phones, such as the EVO 4g, may not be able to play this game considering it has a weaker gpu. whereas, the galaxy s should run this game smoothly. also, RAGE may also include options with the graphics. you may be able to turn on/off certain special effects/graphical features, depending what phone you have. with so many different phones, with a multitude of abilities, games may start being designed for the top of the line phones, with the most powerful cpu/gpus, but may give the ability to tone down the graphics for those with lesser phones. as for now, the gpu in the galaxy s is one of the best, if not the best gpu in today's phones. we don't see it as much as we should for the mere fact that there is nothing that is pushing it to it's limits. it may be a waste for the moment, but at least we are ready to future titles that will push the graphics to it's limits.
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Ding ding, somebody gets it.

Gigamaster89 said:
Leave it to xda to not answer the question at hand.
Sherlock Homes are we? No **** it can do things faster, I'm trying to see what it actually does better/where we can actually see a difference.
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Seriously, man? Is it douchebag hour at home? It's a GPU. It's just ****ing faster than other GPUs. It's not going to give you a reach-around if you love it enough.
You want to see actual differences? Go get a friend with an Evo and play Asphalt side by side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RkfWYxgfU0&p=F9C3D79BA94C26EA&playnext=1&index=18
quit arguing, it makes you all look like idiots in a tech forum...

What is it from my OP that people don't understand?
I explicitly said I know the Vibrant's GPU is better so obviously it's faster, I don't need you to tell me that.
I was asking what it can actually do better because I'm debating on picking up G2 but specs wise, people say the GPU is better. So yeah, it's better, but I would like to know where and how we can see this difference in graphical power. As far as I know, watching movies and playing a majority of the games in the market right now, there is no noticeable difference.
Is that clear enough for you guys? Or maybe the next few idiotic posters can just continue to tell me IT'S FASTER.

Gigamaster89 said:
What is it from my OP that people don't understand?
I explicitly said I know the Vibrant's GPU is better so obviously it's faster, I don't need you to tell me that.
I was asking what it can actually do better because I'm debating on picking up G2 but specs wise, people say the GPU is better. So yeah, it's better, but I would like to know where and how we can see this difference in graphical power. As far as I know, watching movies and playing a majority of the games in the market right now, there is no noticeable difference.
Is that clear enough for you guys? Or maybe the next few idiotic posters can just continue to tell me IT'S FASTER.
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Gonna repeat what I said few posts above, its gotta be emulators.
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[Q] Nexus 10 vs. iPad 4th G: Gaming aspect

Hello. I know both devices are not in market yet so there is no certainty which one is better, but I'm just doing a survey. I'm planning to get a 9"++ size tablet mainly for gaming only but I dono which one is my best bet.
I would like to know which tablet (Android vs iOS) is best for gaming in terms of variety of games, quality, fluidity and optimization. A year ago there is no doubt ipad is the best tablet for gaming, while android tablets are the best for tweaking and custom rom-ing. This time the table has turned thanks to samsung's nexus 10 with its ultimate specs and the official game support from Gameloft (which they verified it few days ago).
Now I just wanna compare both tablets in terms of gaming experiences, nothing to do with specs, developer supports and cost.
Ok to keep it short and sweet, which OS gives the best gaming experience? Android or IOS? Thanks!
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jeromejeremytay said:
Hello. I know both devices are not in market yet so there is no certainty which one is better, but I'm just doing a survey. I'm planning to get a 9"++ size tablet mainly for gaming only but I dono which one is my best bet.
I would like to know which tablet (Android vs iOS) is best for gaming in terms of variety of games, quality, fluidity and optimization. A year ago there is no doubt ipad is the best tablet for gaming, while android tablets are the best for tweaking and custom rom-ing. This time the table has turned thanks to samsung's nexus 10 with its ultimate specs and the official game support from Gameloft (which they verified it few days ago).
Now I just wanna compare both tablets in terms of gaming experiences, nothing to do with specs, developer supports and cost.
Ok to keep it short and sweet, which OS gives the best gaming experience? Android or IOS? Thanks!
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Its an open secret. iOS is better in gaming both in no of games available and quality of games. The hardware also run iOS games better because of powerful GPU in iPads.
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Its an open secret. iOS is better in gaming both in no of games available and quality of games. The hardware also run iOS games better because of powerful GPU in iPads.
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This is true. IPad is a solid tablet. I just wish it had android on it :sly:
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Hold on a sec. True, iPad has better variety of games. However, android has several distinct advantages as well.
1. Controller support- I plug in my 360 controller and play games, console quality games like Dead Trigger, no tweaking necessary. OTG adapter. You can also use a bluetooth PS3 controller with a bit of software.
2. HDMI out- Although the iPad can do video out, I've found it to struggle with games. Not exactly sure why. This is the iPad 3rd gen I've been using, so this may not be as much of an issue with the more powerful 4gen.
3. finally, EMULATORS. None are available for the iPad, but the Nexus 10 will allow you to play... pretty much any classic game, up through playstation and Nintendo 64. If you want to look at number of games including emulator possibilities, the Nexus destroys the iPad. It's pretty magical to plug a tablet into a big screen, and play super smash brothers, or crash bandicoot, with a controller.
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also, while there are many games available for both tablets, a lot of them don't measure up to the classics in terms of gameplay. Can anyone point out a game as charming, well-controlled, deep, and inventive as Yoshi's Island on either app store? I love playing it on my SNES, and it's even better on my Nexus 7.

I hope my topic here doesn't not create any fire here, don't want anything like we always see on youtube and gsmarena.. well I do play lots of emulated games on my sgt7 using fpse, but now it's on bootloop and have not much time to read the whole thread just to find the solution now.. well we see that ipad is indeed better in gaming wise.
I tried to stay from android tablets because i really want a tablet just to play games, I know that if I have nexus 10 in my hands, the first thing I will do is to root it and flash custom roms with it, which is quite a problem to flash roms here and there while try to keep the games in place (I know nandroid will help but sometimes cwm doesn't not backup the whole rom properly)
I played Gangstar and Asphalt 6 on ipad 2 and my sgt7, the iPad was far better than my tab. I just hope google will try to collaborate with few developers to optimise their nexus line, then it would be comparable to ipad in terms of gaming!
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Don't forget about custom kernels.... Most likely after developers get their hands on the device I would expect a 30% performance increase at least. Look at the N7 1.3ghz stock to 1.8ghz with a performance kernel. Look at the N7 gpu 416mhz to 700mhz (;
So the benchmarks their getting on stock are good and Imo there only going to get better... Sixaxis with a blue tooth ps3 remote is good times indeed. Custom ROMS and launchers blow apple crap out of the water.
Imo google is coming on strong and apple crap is just holding on.
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jeromejeremytay said:
Hello. I know both devices are not in market yet so there is no certainty which one is better, but I'm just doing a survey. I'm planning to get a 9"++ size tablet mainly for gaming only but I dono which one is my best bet.
I would like to know which tablet (Android vs iOS) is best for gaming in terms of variety of games, quality, fluidity and optimization. A year ago there is no doubt ipad is the best tablet for gaming, while android tablets are the best for tweaking and custom rom-ing. This time the table has turned thanks to samsung's nexus 10 with its ultimate specs and the official game support from Gameloft (which they verified it few days ago).
Now I just wanna compare both tablets in terms of gaming experiences, nothing to do with specs, developer supports and cost.
Ok to keep it short and sweet, which OS gives the best gaming experience? Android or IOS? Thanks!
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The almost square shape of the iPad screen has been abandoned by everyone in favour of wide screen and even Apple have ditched it on the iPhone 5 so they are slowly seeing sense.
The wide screen format is great for viewing media and playing games with the front facing speakers on the Nexus 10 are great for stereo. You can also display two apps running on a wide screen and view two book pages better than the 4:3 screen of the iPad.
Now that Apple have switched to wide screen for the iPhone 5 it should not be too long before the iPad and iPad mini changes to wide screen too.

ps vita.

The ratio on ipad is just plain ridiculous, a tablet that doesn't make a difference whether you're on portrait or landscape mode. Like someone mentioned, how he wished an android on ipad. I will for a nexus 10 with quality and quantity games..
Ps vita was one of the options I had mind when I was sleeping last night. But I'll pass that.
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iPad 4 has a better GPU

For gaming you should just get either the vita, a gaming notebook (msi ge60 is really thin) or the gigabyte U2442N gaming ultrabook. ios and android are scums of the gaming world. Because of these devices the gaming world has turned backwards and has financial issues.

I have a toshiba qosmio f750 but I don play gamed with it. I too feel wired why I prefer gaming on tablets which is very odd..
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jeromejeremytay said:
I tried to stay from android tablets because i really want a tablet just to play games, I know that if I have nexus 10 in my hands, the first thing I will do is to root it and flash custom roms with it, which is quite a problem to flash roms here and there while try to keep the games in place (I know nandroid will help but sometimes cwm doesn't not backup the whole rom properly)
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Just wanted to let u know that the new version of Titanium Backup Pro lets u make flashable zip files of your games and data. Maybe this will help u and other flash-a-holics

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
Anyone checked out this website?

iCrap 4:3 screen is just stupid stupid stupid. Who the hell watches ANYTHING on a 4:3 screen anymore unless you are forced to at some old bar/restaurant becasue they still have ancient 27" CRTs on wobbly mounts circa 1999 just waiting to fall down and kill someone?
Not sure you want to be looking at a tablet for gaming though, as an example I just picked up a full blown 17" gaming laptop on sale back in September for $520 shipped which is right around what the 64GB Nexus will cost. Crossfired video cards, quad core AMD and 6 gigs of ram right out of the box. Running Skyrim on Ultra with a bunch of mods enabled to make it look even prettier and there are going to be a bazillion sales with the holidays coming up so you might want to get a laptop if gaming is your thing.
But yeah, IMO the Nexus 10 is the better of the two tablets easy and Android is only catching up to Apple in terms of apps. There is also the Asus Transformer Infinity to look at which has the brilliant idea of a SD card slot (really Google/Samsung, you couldn't even have the decency to put a microSD slot in this monster somewhere?) I hear that the Transformer has issues with constant reboots and is glitchy though.

Well all that decision makes me hungry. I guess I will stick to ipad since I pre-ordered an Ouya console for $119 only shipped to my country, hope it is a good thing thou
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iCrap 4:3 screen is just stupid stupid stupid. Who the hell watches ANYTHING on a 4:3 screen anymore unless you are forced to at some old bar/restaurant becasue they still have ancient 27" CRTs on wobbly mounts circa 1999 just waiting to fall down and kill someone?
Not sure you want to be looking at a tablet for gaming though, as an example I just picked up a full blown 17" gaming laptop on sale back in September for $520 shipped which is right around what the 64GB Nexus will cost. Crossfired video cards, quad core AMD and 6 gigs of ram right out of the box. Running Skyrim on Ultra with a bunch of mods enabled to make it look even prettier and there are going to be a bazillion sales with the holidays coming up so you might want to get a laptop if gaming is your thing.
But yeah, IMO the Nexus 10 is the better of the two tablets easy and Android is only catching up to Apple in terms of apps. There is also the Asus Transformer Infinity to look at which has the brilliant idea of a SD card slot (really Google/Samsung, you couldn't even have the decency to put a microSD slot in this monster somewhere?) I hear that the Transformer has issues with constant reboots and is glitchy though.
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"iCrap"
And that's exactly where I stopped reading your post.

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"iCrap"
And that's exactly where I stopped reading your post.
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You probably should have read more, because he has a point.
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You probably should have read more, because he has a point.
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Thank you. And yes I'll re-iterate for the Apple slaves out there. Buying a tablet for gaming is POINTLESS if you are going to spend ipad/nexus 10 prices. If you are going to run alot of games you are going to need the higher memory devices so you're looking at $600 for the Nexus and a few $hundred more for the ipad. I got a new quad core, dual video card 17" laptop from Newegg back at the end of September for $520 shipped. Is it an Alienware? No it isn't but it runs all the newest games on high-ultra settings and it fits just fine in my Targus backpack so its portable enough.

scottyd035ntknow said:
Thank you. And yes I'll re-iterate for the Apple slaves out there. Buying a tablet for gaming is POINTLESS if you are going to spend ipad/nexus 10 prices. If you are going to run alot of games you are going to need the higher memory devices so you're looking at $600 for the Nexus and a few $hundred more for the ipad. I got a new quad core, dual video card 17" laptop from Newegg back at the end of September for $520 shipped. Is it an Alienware? No it isn't but it runs all the newest games on high-ultra settings and it fits just fine in my Targus backpack so its portable enough.
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Ok, cool, you don't think that tablets are good for gaming. Why the **** do you have to insult Apple users, though?
"iCrap"? "Apple slaves"? What's with all the bull**** nicknames, Mr. Fandroid? Android devices are in the same league here, and you just insult one group - as usual calling them all idiots and the devices crap.
You know, a gaming laptop is a bad option for people that actually want a portable device. 17 inch screen. That's almost twice the size of an iPad. I also bet that it's 4 times thicker, and the battery lasts for like two hours. So yeah. It's not portable at all, and sure as hell won't work for portable gaming.
If anything, iPad is the best option here. It's not even about which one has a better GPU (in this case the iPad), it's how optimized it is. This is one advantage iOS has over Android: since there is a small amount of devices, developers can optimize their games to run well on them - even if they don't have the latest specs.

still worth?

Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks

mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.

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I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.
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I'd probably do this aswell
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Right now it's not a smart choice. Yes, its gamepad it's a gem to play anywhere but its official rom it's outdated and has some limitations about RAM and internal memory.
If you want to sort these limitations you will have to take some time installing a custom rom and tuning the configuration so, imho, if you don't mind about try some custom roms and you can find it cheap then go ahead, otherwise look for a more logical choice.

Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
There's a lotta better specs out there, but with so little necessitating all that power, their best use is for... well... **** measuring. Xperia Play handles things just fine with what it has regardless of whether it's old or new. Doesn't legally get 4.x.x, but since this is not iOS, we have many app supplements that net us 4.x.x features...and we get that extraordinary stability/software support that was compromised by newer FWs.
Honestly, I don't know the first thing about tweaks, yet my YouTube is constantly blown up with questions about what I do to make my Xperia Play so smooth. All I've ever been doing is running a debloated stock ROM to get iPhone-tier fluidity...and with link2sd, the onboard storage complaint even becomes invalid.
Only thing I wouldn't recommend is using a contract upgrade on a phone that's so low-cost... and that's just 'cause there's more strategic ways to work the system.
The Xperia Play is; however, still a good phone.
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tbh, if you can put up with a few fps drops here and there on heavy 3d games (e.g. modern combat, wild blood, dark knight rises, gta etc) and also play them at low settings then its a good gaming phone. Yes the hardware is outdated but if you get a custom ROM and then overclock your phone then it should be alright.

Honestly the phone feel fairly smooth using stock or NXT rom. If you use a light rom or debloat it, it feel smooth overall. It only slow down once you install custom ICS or JB roms.
The one thing I miss is can't do is play high bitrates HD movies like newer phones. Also having to stay on GB you get the speed, but miss out ICS features and apps that aren't compatible with GB.
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mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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Check this thread and post No.5

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Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
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Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I disagree with that. We were sent a couple of MOGA's to use/review with are Xperia S, T and V but find for portable gaming it just does not work as good as you would want.
To start with the connection takes along time to kick in and then disconnects time to time during game play (Normally with Gameloft games). Having the MOGA app always running in the background gives the system more to process which cause's lag in games, they also seam to have a mined of their own (Keep moving in the same direction after you let go and are very inaccurate overall). The controller is not supported as a generic HID device meaning you need a 3rd party app and root to be able to play emulators and Non MOGA support games.
The other issues are to do with the physical form. The weight when the controller holds a phone is unevenly distributed (The phone weights a lot more then the controller meaning its top heavy (Not great for long periods of gaming), that's why there is a lip on the back of the controller to prop it all up. The sticks are stiff with no grip (Easy grip fix, take the foam pads out so they cup round your finger) and are useless for any FPS (Try out online multiplayer MC4, Nova 3). The lack of buttons (No d-pad, No L2, R2) and plus the fact you need AAA battery's to power it (Not ideal).
I could go on and on but Moga is no competition for the Xperia Play (purpose built for gaming, not an add-on) . If on public transport and want to play a quick game, its much better to slide the play open and play compared to getting the MOGA out of your bag or pocket, turn on bluetooth, clip in phone, wait for moga to connect to device and so on.
The list of games are on the increase but still only around 40 compared to the 400 on the Xperia Play. Its a novel way to play games at the moment and that's why some game developers are supporting it. But cant see this being a long time thing.

IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Wow, I honestly think that you both got a bad unit and haven't spent much time with it since launch.
First of all, in regards to the game selection, its true if you only use the company provided Pivot app, it only supports around 50 games. But what you are forgetting/ignoring is the MOGA universal driver app that makes it work as a standard HID controller just like the ps3 that allows it to play ANY game that works with HID contollers plus act as an ime that can emulate PLAY controls. There is not a single Play game that I cannot play without controls on my SGS III. Not a single one. This includes emulators. I can even use gamekeyboard if I wanted. I like my play too, but you are just ignoring the facts here.
Second, the connection honestly takes around 2-3 seconds for me and I have NEVER had a disconnect, not once. I have run quadrant with the pivot app and without and have seen no noticable difference, and it is the same with gameplay. I have one of the heaviest devices available and it does not seem top heavy at all. I think the comment people make about the sticks being stick is due to the fact that it is a smaller controller than normal so of course the sticks would have less travel area, it is just a matter of getting used to it just like it was with the Play touchpads. I have played several FPS's with the pad, MC4, Dead Trigger, Shadowgun, ETC, and have actually been impressed at the sensitivity and ease of use.
The argument that it is a pain to carry around is I think a weak one as it easily fits into any coat pocket and is smaller than some android phones Ive owned. I have used it daily for weeks now.
Again, I can play every Play game out there, so I feel like I my gaming experience just got way better. I also got a laugh of you calling it a novelty that wont catch on, thats what they said about the Play too.
Anyways, just a few thoughts, no offense meant my friend.
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ILikeTheWayYouMove2 said:
IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Agreed, ever since the MOGA got ps3 controller capability, I was in heaven.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I actually got my father a MOGA to go along with the EVO 3D I got him... and I'd actually even agree that it's support is far above and beyond the rest of those BT controllers... and I hope to see it get even more support because I'll likely get one for myself come January when my upgrade is available... but at the time being, not even the universal IME app brings it anywhere near being even a fourth of what the Xperia Play is.
From personal experience, I can vouch for the statement that it does greatly expand what it can be done outside of the pivot app, but it doesn't have all the specialized support Xperia Play has from having hardware menu navigation and all the precision of games tweaked to work especially with it's hardware, which results in cases like a *generic-converted* Eternal Legacy requiring an incredibly awkward form of still having to mostly use the touch-screen. While I didn't particularly find it as uncomfortable as poo-tang, the clip didn't really seem like it was designed to accomodate any kind of phone that has decent protection... meaning that my father was put in an awkward position where he'd either lose the convenience of his MOGA clip, or lose the protection of his EVO's ballistic case... this is particularly frustrating because I can use all the high-end protection that I want without sacrificing. Then the actual pivot app itself and the games involved don't seem entirely foolproof without all the tweaking options Xperia Play's given... NOVA 3, for example, has more natural feeling aiming... and all that aside, it's missing a major method of locomotion control by lacking that d-pad (which is a huge deal for precise input in 2D games). On a lesser note, I was quite shocked to find that it uses AAA batteries as opposed to having a rechargeable lithium like iControlPad does.
I do like the MOGA a lot more than other solutions because - honestly - even with all the minuses, there's still no other option on the market that allows well-done controls outside of just emulating tons of old content. Any cheap piece of plastic can emulate nowadays but the Xperia Play brought something truly special where we could play present-gen games like Wild Blood with physical controls, and the MOGA's actually picking up a lot of support for that audience with striking momentum. For that I give the MOGA credit above the iControlPad, Gametel, 60Beat, Red Samurai, Nyko Playpad and all others... but it's got a looooooong way to go before it's up there with Xperia Play... and with the ever-lasting hardware limitation (plus the burden of pairing per every game session), it may not even be possible that the MOGA can ever be up there with Xperia Play.

I will definitely agree that the lack of a true dpad is a disadvantage. There is a larger edition coming out later that has one built in, but its bigger which is both good and bad, but at least theres a choice I guess.
One thing that has actually made it not bad at all for me is the analog stick is very sensitive so as soon as there is any movement at all to either the left or right axis it registers immediately, something Metal Slug on my phone can attest to. I am not just saying this, platformers have not been an issue at all. What kind of case does your father use? I am using the shell/holster combo case and have not had it have problems.
I have never been a fan of shooters on the play, touch pad was always a frustrating experience at best and a nightmare at worse, at least for fps's. Twin Stick shooter kick ass on the play.
You mention a "everlasting hardware limitation" could you elaborate? Wouldn't the same apply to any game console, even the play? In other words, you can't upgrade hardware with an ota, which I know you know Im just illustrating my point.
Pushing the power button and then opening the pivot/universal ime app is a bit less seamless than sliding out the gamepad but I don't think it takes away from the experience. I have the whole process down to about 5 seconds before I pick my game.

Ouya vs The World (Comparisons and why Ouya has much competition)

I figured nobody else had started this thread already, and it'll be a great starting point for discussions of Ouya up against it's brothers-in-Androids in your market. This is NOT an Ouya bashing thread, merely a compare and contrast between the newly flooding market of miniature Android powered devices.
Now, to begin, I would like to first point out that I do own multiple Android powered devices, but none which are mentioned here in this post, so please don't cry "fanboy" as I have 0 allegiance to anything except Android. And yes, I'm kicking myself for not getting in on the Ouya kickstarter (even though I had multiple chances).
Ouya is poised to become the next big multimedia console to enter the consumer market and home, and it's got quite the uphill battle ahead of it. There's already plenty of small low-powered Android devices either announced or already released which fill one niche or another. While Ouya markets itself primarily as a game console, the fact that it runs Android means that it's got to compete with every other low-powered Android device which feasibly can accomplish everything the Ouya can. I'll expound on this further.
Ouya vs ...:
Google TV. Starting at the same price point for the VIZIO Co-Star, this device provides more than enough power in a small frame to power your perfect TV setup, providing internet access as well as local network streaming for your entertainment needs. Now, while the Google TV platform is marketed as a STB, it's still a competitor in mild/moderate gaming as well as web content accessibility. With the fact that Google TV is synonymous with "everything Google, now on your TV," Ouya's name will lend to confusion as to what it really is for the mass market in the beginning, hurting intial adoption rates outside the Android community.
Win: Google TV, brand recognition.
Raspberry Pi. Starting at a paltry $25, this little low-powered Android stock device is actually quite a surprising little power house. All manner of network appliances have been developed around this hardware, and with the drivers for most of the hardware being provided for other flavors of Linux, it's range and scope is expanding fast. While again, only techies will really know what the Pi is, it's heavily marketed (ignore the fact i'm using this term loosely) towards Android and computing enthusiasts as a replacement for all those things that are big, hot, and noisy. This little gem has already received more builds of Linux than I can count, a port of XBMC that can easily handle streaming 1080p without a sweat, it really comes down to accessibility. In the long run the Ouya is pricier, and for those just looking for a cheap XBMC device, you can't beat the Pi at $25. That and it's kawaii-small.
Win: Raspberry Pi, price point.
nVIDIA Shield. In the closest thing to apples to apples comparison of devices based on how they're marketed, we have the nVIDIA Shield, the Tegra 4 powered nVIDIA Android handheld gaming console (announced). This little gamer's wet dream is a powerhouse in your hands, and throw in the ability to play your PC games on the handheld thanks to special integration with the nVIDIA graphics processor on your PC, and you've got an almost universal system to enjoy anywhere, anytime. Again, being that it's Android, don't expect that it won't be without it's ports of XBMC and many many other wonderful pieces of software to further enhance the cost-to-value ratio of this handheld. Being that this is the closest competitor to the Ouya, it's worth noting that there are a few caveats to the Shield which bring it down. As of this writing, the "Play PC" feature is heavily Steam oriented (not a bad thing), will likely require Multi-Band Wireless N (MIMO) (not prevalent, likely have to buy one), and the biggest bullet to chew on, a whopping GeForce GTX 650 (cheapest on Newegg as of writing $110 new) in order to enjoy this device to it's fullest. While the Ouya lacks this functionality to begin with, it brings it down, but this feature feels more like a power-play by nVIDIA than something that could end up becoming mainstream.
Win: Ouya, will integrate with everything you already have provided tools and/or apps are provided to link it, no need to upgrade everything around it to make full use of it.
Mods: Sorry for the perceived dupe topic, I was at work getting calls every 15 minutes interrupting me for upwards half an hour after I started writing this just after lunch.

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I myself was wondering how the similar, android-based GameStick would fair against the Ouya. It has similar characteristics and from what I have seen will be released to those who pre-ordered around the same time as those who backed the Ouya.
Although I have seen a few comments about the Ouya and GameStick as being (or not being) competitive, I would like to here what your guys' thoughts are on the topic.
GameStick was also first on kickstarter, check it out:
(Read the updates as well, there were some major ones!)
->GameStick Page<-

Raspberry Pi is an educational device,and can't handle anything worthwhile.

When i was doing the backing for Ouya, i wasn't really aware of Gamestick project itself. Now had a check on the video and both the guys looks same in terms of strategy and Games, even the game store !
But i assume the Ouya hardware is bit better than the Gamestick one.
I could feel only one challenge they going to face - GAMES !! and more GAMES!
But we all know - we all will end up in flashing a custom mod into this thing :laugh:

Feelings about the OUYA
I just hope that the OUYA is all it has been hyped up to be. I don't want to see a box with some Allwinner A10, a gig of RAM, and a modded version of the Google Play store. I want to see a full on Android gaming console with dev support and proprietary games and add-ons. I really hope that when the OUYA gets dropped, it has a major impact on the console market.

BasedChefJoeyB said:
I just hope that the OUYA is all it has been hyped up to be. I don't want to see a box with some Allwinner A10, a gig of RAM, and a modded version of the Google Play store. I want to see a full on Android gaming console with dev support and proprietary games and add-ons. I really hope that when the OUYA gets dropped, it has a major impact on the console market.
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It doesn't have the power or support to make an impact on the realm that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo occupy.

cmdrdredd said:
It doesn't have the power or support to make an impact on the realm that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo occupy.
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Because obviously we all want to play call of duty 14 or whatever braindead sequel is served up on the pop machines (you know, just like pop music, no creativity and sold to the herd of sheeps)
I look forward to some real creativity in gaming which hopefully the indie dev will be able to bring to Ouya
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Raverbunny said:
Because obviously we all want to play call of duty 14 or whatever braindead sequel is served up on the pop machines (you know, just like pop music, no creativity and sold to the herd of sheeps)
I look forward to some real creativity in gaming which hopefully the indie dev will be able to bring to Ouya
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I would love to see the Ouya find it's niche as the premier indie console, gawd knows none of the big three (M$, Sony, Nintendo) have really welcomed the indie devs. Check into the "Indie Game" movie, and you'll see what I'm saying. If Ouya welcomes the indie developers (which it sounds like they are), then they'll have plenty of backing from new blood which will eventually draw the bigger names to capitalize on a market they can make more in.

BasedChefJoeyB said:
I just hope that the OUYA is all it has been hyped up to be. I don't want to see a box with some Allwinner A10, a gig of RAM, and a modded version of the Google Play store. I want to see a full on Android gaming console with dev support and proprietary games and add-ons. I really hope that when the OUYA gets dropped, it has a major impact on the console market.
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NVIDIA Tegra3 quad-core processor
1GB RAM
8GB of internal flash storage, expandable via USB 2.0 port
Up to 1080p HD (via HDMI)
5.1 surround sound
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, and Ethernet port
Bluetooth
Micro USB port
Wireless Bluetooth controller with standard game controls and touchpad
the web says this..

I'm not impressed by the examples. Google TV is Google's take on Roku, Boxee Box, and Apple TV. Not a game console.
My Raspberry Pi, while freaking cool, is most definitely NOT a gaming console. It doesn't have the power, the games, or any of that. It's not even a computer, it's a little wonder box that I put in the middle of projects.
The Shield is pretty cool I'd say, and yes, it's a gaming console. But I keep my Nexus 4 on hand always and I like to keep my pockets lightweight and I don't need one extra gadget or pocket filled. And so I don't understand why people say Shield will have a better fate than the OUYA. In the end it's just an Android with an excellent processor and a fancy controller slapped on it. If it's more than $250 there's no way I'll buy it. I don't care about the PC game streaming. It's a completely different social segment from what I can tell. And most of you, I can guarantee, don't even have the specified graphics setup to begin with.
This is a TV console for $100. OUYAs only professional opposors at the moment: Wii Mini ($100), and gamestick.tv ($80)... I suppose Xbox 360 has a few options, but they will end up costing you at least $200 to enjoy without games from my person experience.
And maybe, a budget Xbox quite soon. But you and me both know that the Xbox "720" and/or PS4 will be very expensive, maybe $400 or so. And the Wii U is already pricey, low functionality and low on the games. And Nintendo is paying the price.
Google TV, Roku, Boxee Box, Apple TV are Streaming Boxes, which all somehow cost as much as this fully featured box. I enjoy my Roku but it can barely get Angry Birds right... Angry Birds.
Microsoft and Sonys latest consoles as well as the new Valve segment are most likely destined for the mid hundreds ($300-$550)
The Xperia Play was unfortunately DOA, and even the promising PS Vita and nVidia Shield are absolutely positively handheld systems, not TV consoles.
So we have a chance of dominating this side of the market if we can beat the experience of other $100 gadgets that hook up to your TV, feature, function, and marketing wise.

Cynagen said:
I figured nobody else had started this thread already, and it'll be a great starting point for discussions of Ouya up against it's brothers-in-Androids in your market. This is NOT an Ouya bashing thread, merely a compare and contrast between the newly flooding market of miniature Android powered devices.
Now, to begin, I would like to first point out that I do own multiple Android powered devices, but none which are mentioned here in this post, so please don't cry "fanboy" as I have 0 allegiance to anything except Android. And yes, I'm kicking myself for not getting in on the Ouya kickstarter (even though I had multiple chances).
Ouya is poised to become the next big multimedia console to enter the consumer market and home, and it's got quite the uphill battle ahead of it. There's already plenty of small low-powered Android devices either announced or already released which fill one niche or another. While Ouya markets itself primarily as a game console, the fact that it runs Android means that it's got to compete with every other low-powered Android device which feasibly can accomplish everything the Ouya can. I'll expound on this further.
Ouya vs ...:
Google TV. Starting at the same price point for the VIZIO Co-Star, this device provides more than enough power in a small frame to power your perfect TV setup, providing internet access as well as local network streaming for your entertainment needs. Now, while the Google TV platform is marketed as a STB, it's still a competitor in mild/moderate gaming as well as web content accessibility. With the fact that Google TV is synonymous with "everything Google, now on your TV," Ouya's name will lend to confusion as to what it really is for the mass market in the beginning, hurting intial adoption rates outside the Android community.
Win: Google TV, brand recognition.
Raspberry Pi. Starting at a paltry $25, this little low-powered Android stock device is actually quite a surprising little power house. All manner of network appliances have been developed around this hardware, and with the drivers for most of the hardware being provided for other flavors of Linux, it's range and scope is expanding fast. While again, only techies will really know what the Pi is, it's heavily marketed (ignore the fact i'm using this term loosely) towards Android and computing enthusiasts as a replacement for all those things that are big, hot, and noisy. This little gem has already received more builds of Linux than I can count, a port of XBMC that can easily handle streaming 1080p without a sweat, it really comes down to accessibility. In the long run the Ouya is pricier, and for those just looking for a cheap XBMC device, you can't beat the Pi at $25. That and it's kawaii-small.
Win: Raspberry Pi, price point.
nVIDIA Shield. In the closest thing to apples to apples comparison of devices based on how they're marketed, we have the nVIDIA Shield, the Tegra 4 powered nVIDIA Android handheld gaming console (announced). This little gamer's wet dream is a powerhouse in your hands, and throw in the ability to play your PC games on the handheld thanks to special integration with the nVIDIA graphics processor on your PC, and you've got an almost universal system to enjoy anywhere, anytime. Again, being that it's Android, don't expect that it won't be without it's ports of XBMC and many many other wonderful pieces of software to further enhance the cost-to-value ratio of this handheld. Being that this is the closest competitor to the Ouya, it's worth noting that there are a few caveats to the Shield which bring it down. As of this writing, the "Play PC" feature is heavily Steam oriented (not a bad thing), will likely require Multi-Band Wireless N (MIMO) (not prevalent, likely have to buy one), and the biggest bullet to chew on, a whopping GeForce GTX 650 (cheapest on Newegg as of writing $110 new) in order to enjoy this device to it's fullest. While the Ouya lacks this functionality to begin with, it brings it down, but this feature feels more like a power-play by nVIDIA than something that could end up becoming mainstream.
Win: Ouya, will integrate with everything you already have provided tools and/or apps are provided to link it, no need to upgrade everything around it to make full use of it.
Mods: Sorry for the perceived dupe topic, I was at work getting calls every 15 minutes interrupting me for upwards half an hour after I started writing this just after lunch.
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You got it completely wrong. None of those are real competitors to the OUYA. Google TV is... hold your breath... TV. It has the ability to run games but that's neither its purpose nor its strength. Raspberry is an amazing low cost miracle. As one of the early adopters I can say that you won't spend 25$ (or whatever the price was back then) better. But comparing it to a Tegra3 device in terms of gaming is a joke, right? The SHIELD is intended for the hardcore gamers. Unlike the OUYA it can stream PC games, it's portable, has better hardware... and costs more. Those two will more likely benefit from each other than compete, because the OUYA will have the numbers and the SHIELD will have the raw power to make big developers look at Android more seriously.
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tkolev said:
You got it completely wrong. None of those are real competitors to the OUYA. Google TV is... hold your breath... TV. It has the ability to run games but that's neither its purpose nor its strength. Raspberry is an amazing low cost miracle. As one of the early adopters I can say that you won't spend 25$ (or whatever the price was back then) better. But comparing it to a Tegra3 device in terms of gaming is a joke, right? The SHIELD is intended for the hardcore gamers. Unlike the OUYA it can stream PC games, it's portable, has better hardware... and costs more. Those two will more likely benefit from each other than compete, because the OUYA will have the numbers and the SHIELD will have the raw power to make big developers look at Android more seriously.
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I never once said that these devices were in direct competition (only in the respect to they share Android space), just that based on what people know of each device, how they may compare them, and which ones would come out on top. Most of these devices are semi-interchange-able, but if you have simple needs (like XBMC), then there are better alternatives out there for you (in this case Pi). This was to highlight some of the strengths of Ouya's perceived competitors. The only real direct competitor is the SHIELD, which in it's own right is still a generation ahead, literally.

To be frank I just got my Pi and it's a pain in the butt, I am still periodically working on making the SD card perfect so the darn thing will boot. At the initial launch, the optimized Tegra 3 and 1GB RAM will blow the Pi's tech out of the water. And if we can push it to a second release we'll have a Tegra 4 SoC and most likely at least 2GB RAM.
I really think this OUYA project is going to benefit from Nvidias support. Let's be honest, Nvidia makes the best graphics tech in the PC market. The best. Really. They've been doing this for a very, very long time. And I think it's going to upstage the Qualcomm 800.

my Galaxy S3, with MHL hdmi connection, plus sixaxis bluetooth controller... bigger specs than an ouya and does exactly the same thing... no wait, it does more!

devnut said:
my Galaxy S3, with MHL hdmi connection, plus sixaxis bluetooth controller... bigger specs than an ouya and does exactly the same thing... no wait, it does more!
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and wait... it costs 5 times more.

devnut said:
my Galaxy S3, with MHL hdmi connection, plus sixaxis bluetooth controller... bigger specs than an ouya and does exactly the same thing... no wait, it does more!
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So your S3 core runs with 1,7ghz and never downclock.
Because the ouya has a powersupply and don´t need to save any batterie.
Also the android on ouya is cut down to a minimum of ressources to give the game more power.
It will only be a matter of time to have ouya games which will not work on any S3 or Note2 or other devices with tegra 3 or equal.

devnut said:
my Galaxy S3, with MHL hdmi connection, plus sixaxis bluetooth controller... bigger specs than an ouya and does exactly the same thing... no wait, it does more!
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I think we better compare the respective categories based on the space they are in..
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OOH-YAA :highfive: :good:

lartomar2002 said:
OOH-YAA :highfive: :good:
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Anyways, back on topic! If the Pi is as "Pi"tiful as everyone is claiming, then the biggest names the Ouya will have to deal with will be the Google TV (which has huge brand recognition), and the nVidia SHIELD (again, brand recognition, and better hardware). Ouya doesn't have to topple either of these platforms, each has their niche, but can easily be extended to include the extra functionality needed. The Google TV platform may not have the powerful graphics processor to keep up with demanding games, but for artsy 2d kids games, no problem. Why buy a new system (that you likely know nothing about), when you can just extend the capabilities of your already existing Google TV installation by rooting and working with that? SHIELD is more of a direct competitor as it's seeking the gaming market that's been woefully ignored in terms of mobility, and while the Ouya will likely be a better item for the simple fact that you're going to get some good mileage out of the platform for $100, it still has to compete with brand recognition, which is overall going to hurt the Ouya. The only people really aware of the Ouya are kickstarter backers, and the Android enthusiast community. There's been plenty of press, but I've dropped the name Ouya in conversation with some of my other tech-oriented friends and gotten blank stares which tells me that there's not enough marketing going out to inform the masses of the product. Word of mouth is great, especially in tech-oriented circles, but outside of that, they're falling short. In reality, this all boils down to Ouya vs their marketing department.

If you and your friends are like me everytime I visit a Walmart, Target or Amazon online the first place I visit is the electronics dept. So, come June they will definitely srart having exposer to the OUYA.