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Xperia Play: the next five years

When OnLive, the popular cloud gaming service, released a version of their client for Android phones and tablets last year, they offered a potential vision of the future, one where any mobile internet-connected device – no matter how gutless - gave you full access to top-tier games that looked just like current-gen PC and console games. Notice I said ‘potential’, for while the technology behind it is stupendous and its implementation is mind bogglingly effective, for all that it is hampered by one big downside: smartphones lack anything in the way of actual real buttons, d-pads and the like, so getting a complex FPS or racing game to work on something with just a touch screen is, as they say, nontrivial.
The insurmountable problem here is that touch-screen mobiles and tablets are not good platforms for traditional PC and console ports. “But what about Angry Birds, or Fruit Ninja, or any number of games that have earned Millions on mobile?” Well, yes, if you create a game from the ground up that takes advantage of what controls are there (gyroscope, basic touch gestures and so on) then it’s quite possible to craft an effective (albeit lightweight) game that’ll go on to sell like hot cakes. But just try playing R-Type with virtual controls: you can do it, but it’s no fun. It lacks any tactility and sooner or later you’re going to get wiped out once your finger reaches for a control but misses because your muscle memory just isn’t that good. Ok, there’s an OnLive gamepad in the wings which you’ll be able to tether to your device and while that will solve that problem, really, who is going to carry a gamepad around with them?
However right at the end of the year, OnLive then did something that inadvertently – almost accidentally – gave rise to one of, if not THE most significant gaming event of the year: one that went totally under everyone’s radar. You see, they very quietly pushed out a version of their Android client that had been tweaked to take advantage of the slide-out gamepad on the Sony Ericcson Xperia Play phone. Wait, what? That’s the most significant gaming event of the year? Bigger than the Wii U reveal? More important than the 3DS? Well, I think so. Read on.
Now I am aware that the Xperia Play has had a bit of a torrid time in its short life. It’s something of an oddity in the realm of smartphones: somewhere between a phone and a handheld console, it’s struggled to find purchase with gadget lovers and gamers alike, for a variety of reasons. From an insane price point at its release in May 2011, to criticisms on its sheer bulk, button placement (I’m looking at you, power button), down to the middling hardware specifications that were already outdated on release day.
If we were being particularly mean we could even try to draw parallels to Nokia’s implementation of a similar game-as-phone concept a decade or so back, the hideous N-Gage, a concept so poorly received and so badly implemented that they probably had to bury five million of the things next to the pile of Atari ET Cartridges buried in a Texan landfill. But the combination of the Xperia Play and OnLive – though both individually flawed in certain ways – together produce something utterly mesmerising, somehow more than the sum of its parts. Quite simply, it’s a revelation.
For, you see, all of these pros and cons paled into insignificance the moment OnLive ported their client to the Xperia Play. Suddenly there was a single solitary handheld mobile device, unique and distinct from anything else on the market, that could play current-gen console-standard games, and more to the point could deliver them without silly pretend on-screen controls, or wiimote hacks, or external controllers, or compromises. You just slide that slick gamepad out, launch OnLive, fire up your copy of Batman: Arkham City or Saints Row: The Third and enjoy high-fidelity PC-quality gaming.
For you see, this killer combination of OnLive, the Xperia Play and a capable internet connection delivers something you can’t get anywhere else: proper, full-fat, platform-agnostic gaming in one unit that will fit in your pocket. Nobody else does it. It’s a game-changer. It’s so ahead of its time that I suspect that no amount of waxing lyrical will alter the fact that this devastatingly effective combination will be totally overlooked by all and sundry. (That is, presumably, until Apple ‘invents’ the concept of integrated mobile cloud gaming in five years’ time – iPlay anyone? – everyone slaps their forehead, wonders why no-one else thought of the concept and we buy them in their millions.)
The Xperia Play needed OnLive, and OnLive needed the Xperia Play, though neither would have admitted it. The Xperia Play has finally found its raison d’être, a unique reason or "killer app" to buy it over any other phone, or portable games console for that matter. And in OnLive’s case, it gives it a reason for existing: what’s the point of playing games through OnLive on a computer that probably could have played those games natively anyway? It only begins to make sense in environments away from the raw processing power of your Desktop Computer, and never more so than on the Xperia Play.
While there are certainly plenty of devices that will run OnLive, none do it with the ease, perfection and panache of this quirky little device. It also future proofs it: If Sony stopped selling it tomorrow, even if everyone stopped writing games that support it, as long as OnLive keep going you’ll get a constant stream of bona fide, triple-A games coming your way. And for Xperia Play owners, it even puts an end to the mobile arms race – it simply doesn’t matter that newer phones with faster dual and quad core processors come out every other five minutes. As the games are rendered on OnLive’s servers rather than on the device, it means that you can ignore all of that nonsense as it simply isn’t important any more. Now that’s a game changer.

Our device is not perfect until the Playstation suite is out.

Thats very fanboi of you to say. Fck $ony

I agree that services like OnLive greatly expand gaming possibilities.
I would like hardware updates that improve style and also non-gaming functionality. Plus there will be games that just won't work with an OnLive type of setup.
An HDMI port would be great in the next iteration as well as more RAM. A better camera would also be great.

flat_steve said:
When OnLive, the popular cloud gaming service, released a version of their client for Android phones and tablets last year, they offered a potential vision of the future, one where any mobile internet-connected device – no matter how gutless - gave you full access to top-tier games that looked just like current-gen PC and console games. Notice I said ‘potential’, for while the technology behind it is stupendous and its implementation is mind bogglingly effective, for all that it is hampered by one big downside: smartphones lack anything in the way of actual real buttons, d-pads and the like, so getting a complex FPS or racing game to work on something with just a touch screen is, as they say, nontrivial.
The insurmountable problem here is that touch-screen mobiles and tablets are not good platforms for traditional PC and console ports. “But what about Angry Birds, or Fruit Ninja, or any number of games that have earned Millions on mobile?” Well, yes, if you create a game from the ground up that takes advantage of what controls are there (gyroscope, basic touch gestures and so on) then it’s quite possible to craft an effective (albeit lightweight) game that’ll go on to sell like hot cakes. But just try playing R-Type with virtual controls: you can do it, but it’s no fun. It lacks any tactility and sooner or later you’re going to get wiped out once your finger reaches for a control but misses because your muscle memory just isn’t that good. Ok, there’s an OnLive gamepad in the wings which you’ll be able to tether to your device and while that will solve that problem, really, who is going to carry a gamepad around with them?
However right at the end of the year, OnLive then did something that inadvertently – almost accidentally – gave rise to one of, if not THE most significant gaming event of the year: one that went totally under everyone’s radar. You see, they very quietly pushed out a version of their Android client that had been tweaked to take advantage of the slide-out gamepad on the Sony Ericcson Xperia Play phone. Wait, what? That’s the most significant gaming event of the year? Bigger than the Wii U reveal? More important than the 3DS? Well, I think so. Read on.
Now I am aware that the Xperia Play has had a bit of a torrid time in its short life. It’s something of an oddity in the realm of smartphones: somewhere between a phone and a handheld console, it’s struggled to find purchase with gadget lovers and gamers alike, for a variety of reasons. From an insane price point at its release in May 2011, to criticisms on its sheer bulk, button placement (I’m looking at you, power button), down to the middling hardware specifications that were already outdated on release day.
If we were being particularly mean we could even try to draw parallels to Nokia’s implementation of a similar game-as-phone concept a decade or so back, the hideous N-Gage, a concept so poorly received and so badly implemented that they probably had to bury five million of the things next to the pile of Atari ET Cartridges buried in a Texan landfill. But the combination of the Xperia Play and OnLive – though both individually flawed in certain ways – together produce something utterly mesmerising, somehow more than the sum of its parts. Quite simply, it’s a revelation.
For, you see, all of these pros and cons paled into insignificance the moment OnLive ported their client to the Xperia Play. Suddenly there was a single solitary handheld mobile device, unique and distinct from anything else on the market, that could play current-gen console-standard games, and more to the point could deliver them without silly pretend on-screen controls, or wiimote hacks, or external controllers, or compromises. You just slide that slick gamepad out, launch OnLive, fire up your copy of Batman: Arkham City or Saints Row: The Third and enjoy high-fidelity PC-quality gaming.
For you see, this killer combination of OnLive, the Xperia Play and a capable internet connection delivers something you can’t get anywhere else: proper, full-fat, platform-agnostic gaming in one unit that will fit in your pocket. Nobody else does it. It’s a game-changer. It’s so ahead of its time that I suspect that no amount of waxing lyrical will alter the fact that this devastatingly effective combination will be totally overlooked by all and sundry. (That is, presumably, until Apple ‘invents’ the concept of integrated mobile cloud gaming in five years’ time – iPlay anyone? – everyone slaps their forehead, wonders why no-one else thought of the concept and we buy them in their millions.)
The Xperia Play needed OnLive, and OnLive needed the Xperia Play, though neither would have admitted it. The Xperia Play has finally found its raison d’être, a unique reason or "killer app" to buy it over any other phone, or portable games console for that matter. And in OnLive’s case, it gives it a reason for existing: what’s the point of playing games through OnLive on a computer that probably could have played those games natively anyway? It only begins to make sense in environments away from the raw processing power of your Desktop Computer, and never more so than on the Xperia Play.
While there are certainly plenty of devices that will run OnLive, none do it with the ease, perfection and panache of this quirky little device. It also future proofs it: If Sony stopped selling it tomorrow, even if everyone stopped writing games that support it, as long as OnLive keep going you’ll get a constant stream of bona fide, triple-A games coming your way. And for Xperia Play owners, it even puts an end to the mobile arms race – it simply doesn’t matter that newer phones with faster dual and quad core processors come out every other five minutes. As the games are rendered on OnLive’s servers rather than on the device, it means that you can ignore all of that nonsense as it simply isn’t important any more. Now that’s a game changer.
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Great post, and very well written I might add. Props sir!

This is the first post that actually sucked me in. I had to read the rest of it. Great writing! You should start a blog and get paid son. I was really excited about this phone but being the hardcore gamer I am I will stick to my PC and 360. I bought the phone mainly because I had alot of dowtime at my job and what better way to kill time than to beat the hell out of people online with a physical game pad. I no longer have the job so why play dead space when both 1 and 2 can be played on my big ass flat screen. Phone to the left and 360 to the right hmmmm!
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I just don't understand why they released the xperia play with a single core and 512mb ram.
this phone with a dual core and 1gb of ram would be perfect. I'd almost prefer to see it running on Tegra instead.
I'll just sit back and wait for the Xperia Play 2(hopefully) and hope that they get it up to date.

1 ghz with adreno 205 is still great for gaming, we dont need superb graphics on 4" LCD screen. Except for 512mb RAM in PLAY, i think 1gb RAM is better.

That was an impressive read. You should really start blogging. To be honest I was looking for someone like you to start a Xperia/android games based blogging site/portal. I'll pm you the details =)
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Its only a matter of time before Steam join the party. Sony need to get there suite sorted as soon as they can. If they fail to bring there games to the masses it could stop plans for future handsets.

CapNM77 said:
This is the first post that actually sucked me in. I had to read the rest of it. Great writing! You should start a blog and get paid son. I was really excited about this phone but being the hardcore gamer I am I will stick to my PC and 360. I bought the phone mainly because I had alot of dowtime at my job and what better way to kill time than to beat the hell out of people online with a physical game pad. I no longer have the job so why play dead space when both 1 and 2 can be played on my big ass flat screen. Phone to the left and 360 to the right hmmmm!
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I'd think myself as a gamer but after
Getting this phone my time on the xbox has reduced
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I wrote a similar piece, well really a review of OnLive on the PLAY the other day.
Its here:
onlivefans.com/reviews/2012/01/28/onlive-review-xperia-play-with-the-android-client/
(apologies, it would appear because I don't post often URLS are beyond my powers)

I still like the Xperia Play even though it has it's flaws. The games that have come out up until now have been very good.
GTA 3 and reckless racing 2 is awesome on the Xperia Play. ( I know there are more but just can't be bothered mentioning them )
But when the PS Suite will be officially released which will be in a couple of weeks
then you'll realise why we have the Xperia Play and how awesome it is !

Forget the emulators, thousands of old school games,
Forget the phone, gps, display and speakers,
A portable onlive with a built in gamepad is worth the price alone.
Who cares if sony brings out ports to psp games, onlive destroys psp games.
Im very happy i have this ridiculously awesome device

hairdewx said:
I agree that services like OnLive greatly expand gaming possibilities.
I would like hardware updates that improve style and also non-gaming functionality. Plus there will be games that just won't work with an OnLive type of setup.
An HDMI port would be great in the next iteration as well as more RAM. A better camera would also be great.
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why are so many people desperate for a hdmi port i honestly dont get it fully.
case 1
video playback on a larger screen (ok this one makes sense) but hey you could copy it to your computer so its backed-up and then play it on a tv which is a better choice really unless your round a friends
case 2
play games on your tv screen - this really makes no sense to me if you have a full hd tv surely your better off playing on a proper console or have a pc connected and play proper games.

Sniper Spr3e said:
why are so many people desperate for a hdmi port i honestly dont get it fully.
case 1
video playback on a larger screen (ok this one makes sense) but hey you could copy it to your computer so its backed-up and then play it on a tv which is a better choice really unless your round a friends
case 2
play games on your tv screen - this really makes no sense to me if you have a full hd tv surely your better off playing on a proper console or have a pc connected and play proper games.
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True. But the only reason i'd want a HDMI output for the Xperia Play is so that I can view my photos and videos on a big screen.

Sniper Spr3e said:
why are so many people desperate for a hdmi port i honestly dont get it fully.
case 2
play games on your tv screen - this really makes no sense to me if you have a full hd tv surely your better off playing on a proper console or have a pc connected and play proper games.
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I agree our website has tested many devices with HDMI like our Asus Transformer and all Xperia 2011 range handsets with HDMI out and others even are plarc which we turned an arc into a play micro console. But in are testings none could upscale the screen to a reasonable quality (for game's and onlive), it looks so blocky and streched. Not to mention getting set up each time is so not as easy as pressing home on my ps3 controller. To sum it up hdmi out is cool but when you really going to bother using it. BTW the origianl post really intresting thanks for writing.

Agreed with everything you said.

Sniper Spr3e said:
why are so many people desperate for a hdmi port i honestly dont get it fully.
case 1
video playback on a larger screen (ok this one makes sense) but hey you could copy it to your computer so its backed-up and then play it on a tv which is a better choice really unless your round a friends
case 2
play games on your tv screen - this really makes no sense to me if you have a full hd tv surely your better off playing on a proper console or have a pc connected and play proper games.
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There are more uses - especially when traveling. Website browsing on a larger screen, music, youtube, netflix, Amazon prime video, presentations, etc.
My TV can connect to a webserver and stream movies directly, but only a few formats are supported.
I have a PC but I don't want to hook up a PC in my living room. Thing is too big and ugly. There are also times when I'd rather be on my couch than at my desk in my office.
When my wife replaces her Droid 3 I'm going to use it as a tiny media center box that I can connect to one of my HDTV's and it will be very easy to hide.
poo-tang said:
I agree our website has tested many devices with HDMI like our Asus Transformer and all Xperia 2011 range handsets with HDMI out and others even are plarc which we turned an arc into a play micro console. But in are testings none could upscale the screen to a reasonable quality (for game's and onlive), it looks so blocky and streched. Not to mention getting set up each time is so not as easy as pressing home on my ps3 controller. To sum it up hdmi out is cool but when you really going to bother using it. BTW the origianl post really intresting thanks for writing.
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Setting up my ASUS Transformer Prime was as easy as plugging in the HDMI cable. It's truly plug and play. Connected my Xbox 360 controller and it was good to go with no set-up required.
As for game playing quality on a large HDTV, you can judge from my own video

The OUYA console... is it doomed? Inquiring minds want to know...

I just wanted to bring up a few thoughts I've had about the upcoming OUYA console, and see what you guys think.
1. I still don't really understand how/why all of this couldn't have been handled by simply creating a GoogleTV-specific OUYA app...?
2. Besides the OUYA's dedicated game-centric market, and their custom controller, what does one really gain that is not already available in the Android ecosystem?
3. How do they plan to prevent their entire custom OS (Or their individual apps) from being ported to other Tegra-based GTV devices in the future? Or, given their outright support for hacking the device, would they even care?
4. And then there's this: Google reportedly making a Game Center for Android
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-reportedly-making-a-Game-Center-for-Android_id30026/
If one was to pair the above (hypothetical) "GTV Game Center" app with a Google-branded "Nexus Controller," wouldn't the entire OUYA become pointless? Would you prefer an app/service that is fully integrated with the entire Google ecosystem, rather than a custom version of the OS and functionality that are outside of (or weakly tied to) said ecosystem?
That said, I still plan to buy a OUYA, but only because I'm a sucker for shiny new toys -- especially of the Android variety! :laugh:
What are your thoughts? Am I "over thinking" this console? Do you think it will be made pointless by an evolution of the GTV?
I'm just looking for friendly debate, so please keep it civil...

150+ views and nobody has any thoughts on these questions? lol...ok, fair enough, was worth a shot.

I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.

atoktoto said:
I think best case scenario they can hope for is becoming a niche platform for android-nerds. Why? Because there is no market for such device. Casual gamers are quite happy with what they get from smartphone industry and PC-facebook-gaming stuff. More hard-core gamers will want bleeding-edge graphics and high-end performance. Without any real GPU on board OUYA will just stay behind. From the software standpoint, Android is a great system but, with sandboxing and multitasking environment, it is not very well prepared for running performance-demanding games.
But still.. I think I will buy it.
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Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
Dave
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I hope someone releases an overclocked kernal for it, so we can get some real power

..

mistermentality said:
Without a real gpu? The ouya has a twelve core tegra 3 gpu with quad core cpu, one of the best you can get, how is that not a real gpu?
It is not aimed at hardcore gamers as it can't beat a ps3 but it can attract casual gamers and even general gamers.
It can handle all the current top android games at max quality settings which is just fine for a lot of people and the ouya can be a multimedia device too so should be fun and useful too.
By your reasoning about casual gaming the wii shouldn't have sold well but it did, I don't think it will be a mass hit but it will do ok at least.
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I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.

It seems interesting and I do want to have one but I kinda want to see what games it gets first before buying, if it doesn't have anything that'll interest me then it would be a waste.

Halmo said:
I hope you are referring to mobile device gpus/cpus because they are nowhere near the best you can get in desktops or even laptops or that matter.
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Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.

mistermentality said:
Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
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But won't the Ouya be trying to compete with the likes of other home consoles? Because if it is, it is considerably underpowered compared to them.

First, I was an earlier KS backer.
Those who have order one by now, release this is not meant necessarily to complete with an Xbox or Playstation. They're going after a slightly different gaming market.
The problem I see with Ouya is that it can be a bit of redundant machine. What does it do that can't be done with a decent smartphone? You may need a rooted phone, but one can hook up a controller, connect to a TV. It's more the mobile game developers adding in controller support. That said, talk about annoying trying up your phone to play games. Having to hook up the phone to the TV every time.
But I think it could be a nice entry point for small game developers to get into the livingroom. New developers to try to get into the market without going broke or closing the doors if a game fails. Allow gamer to fiddle with their consoles.
On the positive side, if the Wii can find success, maybe there is a room for something like the Ouya too. The Wii showed, if it's fun to play, a cheap machine can make it.
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Plus with announcement it's going to be sold a Target, Bestbuy, Amazon and a few other stores, will help with getting numbers sold, which can help bring some of the bigger game developers to the platform.

I'm excited for the OUYA, but not for reasons they'd probably like. I'll be getting one later down the line, once someone slaps new firmware out there for it. I really don't like the idea of them trying to push their own version of a marketplace and basically building on top of Android for their own purposes. I get it, but I don't feel it's necessary and splintering Android further than it already is needs to stop.
In short, my idea is to see how this device would fare for an AIO media center. It'll hook up to a TV just fine already, it runs Android, and it has its own controller! So once it's running stock (and by stock I inherently mean CM), I'll have a media center PC essentially ready to go- I've got everything already hosted on a NAS so as long as it's on the network, bam.
I checked that link for basically Google's version of a game center, but that date was about a year ago- I think Google's a bit busy with KLP and I/O coming up. Then again they're a secretive company, but I don't think a game device could top up there with their big bombs they'll be dropping - that being Glass and KLP.
edit: Oh, and this may go towards a second device or supercede my media center plans- but I've been toying with the idea of Android as a desktop ever since 4.2 came out with multiple users. I think with OUYA it could be manageably done, or at least to the point where it could be a fun little hobby project to see what limitations I run into.

I don't think it can keep up with the graphics needed...i mean they might as well have marketed a universal market controller with the ability to miracast your phone. the device has Tegra 3, but Tegra 4 just came out. MY real question is why buy a phone and then buy another device to play games on when it has same specs...i'd rather just use my phone and stream it (with controller)...
other devices like ps3/xbox/ps4 are actually powerful. Unless a really cheap device like this is backed by nice hardware like Nvidia's Grid. It really isn't too useful. of course, this is all in my opinion.
Kinda reminds me of Ubuntu phone's concept. However, the phone's specs aren't up to do everything you'd want to so i guess the Ubuntu phone/desktop thing could be handy for average users that don't need super powerful pcs.

mistermentality said:
Of course, I was referring to mobile gpu's and pointing out that this could easily handle the highest quality android games.
I should have been more clear on that but thought as the discussion was about android that people would realise I meant gpu's that android works with.
Dave
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The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.

AFAinHD said:
The fact is is that they are calling it a gaming colsole. Well its not. Not without a proper gpu. 12 cores is nothing. My Radeon 7770 in my computer has over 400 cores. Also the one in the xbox has over 100 cores I think. It is not a gaming console without a powerful gpu. Its just an android emulator. Thats it.
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Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).

nessonic said:
Eh, now we're getting into the territory of whether or not graphics make a "game." While I'll take up my torches against Farmville any day, I've delve my fair share into text-only based games (to really go on the opposite spectrum of "graphics" here).
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Oh, so the Ouya will be competing with the likes of the Atari Flashback? That makes sense.

And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.

When I first saw the Ouya and all the info I admit was very happy yet very sad, sad indeed... happy for thoose pioneers and innovation at finest, daredevils! but the device is doomed to die from day 1, why? here:
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Smallest game console in the world, doesnt need AC (draws from internal battery), that "stick" plugs directly into the HDMI, yeah, THATS the console, closer specs compared to ouya, second version may kill the ouya (in terms of graphics), also a lot more portable plus you can use the controller with any bluetooth device (pc, tablet, phone). Did I mention cheap? ($100 or so dollars)
Now to the not so expensive side ($150 or so US dollars), again ouya killer... :crying:
Emulates from nes*, Snes, Gba and neogeo to PSone* and N64*, PSP emulator is getting better and better. PSone.. yeah, you got 2 analog sticks, d-pad, 4 frontal buttons, select and start buttons in the side, R1, L1, R2 and L2 buttons! yeah 4 freaking shoulder buttons!!! holy sh!t ( reason I'm buying this), stereo speakers, and HDMI! gaming on the big screen!! 1080p video playback, and mapping buttons (this means you can map the fisical buttons to the on-screen ones, so you can play ANY game on the market... maybe not angry birds... but you don't want this device to play anrgy birds :silly.
These JXD guys had done a lot of tablets, gaming tablets and psp wannabes, so their expertise paid with this one.
*emulators included
Lastly both of them already on sale!
I already ordered mine :victory: but I live in Mexico... so will take some time but yeah, ouya is doomed.
Official site with specs and more pictures
Bought it here
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I think it all really has to depend on the support of developers that are willing to make develop for that hardware. But i understand where you are coming from.
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Indeed, its no use if developers dont add support for the controller, and 70% games in android use touch screen, so, bumpy road ahead.

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And with people making snide, smartass comments with no real backing (or point beyond insulting a product) behind them... This conversation just lost any point and validity.
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Well, if you're honestly going to bring up 'games aren't about the graphics' when we're talking about a home console (throwing in a comment about text-based games) meant to compete with the Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii U, then yes - you're going to met with snide comments. The GPU's capabilities translate more to being actually able to play the games, and that has little to do with the visual representation.
The Ouya won't be a worthwhile investment at its price. Honestly, it won't. The above two options, especially the latter Wii U gamepad rip off, seem to be a much better choice.
Valve's 'Steam Box' and other equivalents will likely catch the audience the Ouya is trying to get.

Why are (or aren't) you getting a Project Shield?

Nvidia's first in-house android device is due out Q2 of this year (it seems they are aiming for a June release date) - and I am a bit surprised by the lack of conversation going on here at XDA about this device!
Why are (or aren't) you getting a Project Shield? Right now everyone is only able to speculate on price and exact availability, but as it draws closer to June we are sure to get loads of more information.
I'll go first!
I will be ordering one as soon as they become available. This is exactly the device I have been waiting for, for several reasons.
First, I have always never enjoyed on-screen joysticks/buttons as a control for touch-based games. It seems like a backwards way to do it. This eliminates that issue and will make me actually purchase some of these neat Android games.
Secondly, I am a PC gamer at heart, and the one thing I have always been jealous of the XBOX/PS3 guys is that they can lay back on the couch when they get home from work and relax while playing their favorite games. I already use a controller with a bunch of games on my PC (exclusing FPS and Strategy), so this seems like a natural fit for me! As well, once Nvidia gets the streaming to TV working, I can leave my big PC rig in my office while still being able to play my games on the nice HDTV in the living room, using this as the controller. I could not ask for it to be easier, especially with Steam's lovely new Big Picture mode.
Lastly...emulators. Lots and lots of emulators. Nvidia's Tegra 4 seems to be one powerful chip, certainly powerful enough to run all of the emulators on the play store. This will be perfect for SNES/NES/PSX/N64 emulation on my tv..
I'm interested to hear your guy's opinions! Hopefully we can bring some life to this board over the coming months.

Basically you gave every reason i will also purchase one
Can't wait ehehe

I think the Nvidia Shield is a very good idea, as long as you fit within it’s very, very narrow niche targets. Most people won’t, which is why I think it will sell in low numbers despite being some decent hardware. I think I will be buying one though. I’ll explain.
I fit into one of the very few practical uses for this device. I have a high-end (for now) gaming PC with a GTX670 installed. This gaming PC is in my front room, behind my TV. It is there because my PC room became a nursery when I became a dad in 2011. There is no other room in my stupid tiny house for a PC desk. It has to be behind the TV.
To compound matters, I foolishly went and signed up for TiVo. (Freeview reception is woeful in my area). Now my wife has a hard drive chock full of hour after hour of mindless tat (I hate TV. 99% of it bores me silly) which I end up having to watch most nights. It’s driving me mad. I’m frequently sat there just waiting for her to p*ss off to bed so I can start my evening and bleed off the frustration built up from watching 4 hours of sh*te. This is typically around 11pm, by which time, any of my friends on Steam have also gone to bed.
(Apparently this TV consists of “quality time together” in her mind. When I asked her if she would like watching 4 hours of gaming each night and have to wait until 11pm so she could watch her recordings, she thinks this would be unfair and selfish. But I never have to raise a finger around the house and she brings me cold beer so it’s swings and roundabouts I suppose.)
When I read about Shield it seemed to answer the problem. I would be able to sit on the sofa, next to my wife, (quality time) and play on my PC titles whilst she absorbs hours of Celebrity Pets On Ice Makeover Factor. Whilst I am a little unconvinced that I’ll be able to play games like Planetside 2 on a 5” screen, at least I will have the option to play smaller scale stuff like Skyrim or Sim City. Games I can easily pause when she has something to say!
As I already have a nice setup for my keyboard and mouse and headset already able to reach my sofa, all I really needed was the small, portable screen. I thought I could make my own solution for a lot less than the Shield is likely to cost, and get a slightly larger screen. I was wrong. All small 7” to 10” screens were unsuitable for one or all of the following reasons;
1. USB input only, meaning my CPU would be driving the display, not my GPU. Also possible latency issues depending on drivers.
2. Awful resolution. They can all support up to 1080p inputs, but natively they are rarely above 480.
3. Terrible response times. They seem to be ok for desktop computing or widget monitors, but high speed gaming would be motion-blur city.
4. Cost. The only small, portable, high resolution LCD/LED displays with HDMI input and decent response times were for high-end professional photography DSLR camera rigs, costing around £1200.
Anyone with their own computer desk won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants an Android gaming experience can already do so for £30 with an Android device they already own and a PS3 or Xbox360 controller (http://buy.thegameklip.com/) and won’t need an Nvidia Shield. Anyone who wants the hand-held PC gaming experience and doesn't already have at least GTX650, is looking at a starting cost of an additional £200 on top of the eventual cost of the Shield. How many people are going to go for that?
If I could have found a separate small screen that would have been up to spec, I wouldn’t be looking at a Shield either. I’ll be amazed if Nvidia shift many of these upon release. If they cost it much above £250 I’m going to have a hard time justifying it myself.
I am looking forward to being able to lie in bed and play Sim City before going to sleep. There are plenty of Android apps (I use Unified Remote) that can remotely shut down/hibernate your PC over network. I suspect the Nvidia Shield (if they’ve though this through) will also have this though.

I am not getting one but I hope it does well... here's why:
I bought a Moga Pro (which has not arrived yet as their free shipping is the slowest domestic service I've ever experienced). With the controller combined with the LGOG (and it's Tegra 4/Snapdragon 800 based replacement this fall), I expect it to match most of the Project Shield functionality.
I own a high end phone (LG OG + 64gb card) and a high end tablet (Nexus 10 32). To the extent I want a 3rd piece of portable electronics, It would need to do something that the LGOG/Nexus 10 can not do or play a game my devices cannot play. I'd sooner get a 3DS XL for the exposure to a unique gaming library.
The PC gaming has zero value to me (I have a modern laptop (Vaio i7 14" touch screen) but it's graphics are by ATI. There's no way I would get a bulkier laptop (for the 660 graphics) to stream to a more portable.
On the other hand, I hope it succeeds. The better shield does, the better the games android will recieve. I don't particularly like tegra exclusives (expecially since Chainfire's mod doesn't support JB) but most likely my next phone or tablet will have the Tegra 4

one simple reason why not.. thats because i don't own a nvidia GPU. im currently using AMD and don't plan on changing to nvidia anytime soon. from what i understand you can't use the project shield to stream games from PC without having a decent nvidia GPU

I will not be getting it either for the simple reason like stated above have an AMD card. This card is very capable of running games like this to a little device such as the Shield but they will never do it. Given I just bought my rig with some killer specs I am not willing to pay another 300 dollars for a nvidia card ton a system I already spent over 1000 on just to see the same performance out of the card. Its pretty pointless to me plus the precision you have with a mouse is far better then joysticks.

I'm still on the fence. If it's under $200 I'll definitely consider it. I'm basically looking at it as a higher quality alternative to something like the JXD S5300. I want it primarily for emulators, but also some Android games that I think would work well with a controller. If the JXD S5800 actually comes out and doesn't have any major issues I'll probably go with that, as I think that the layout (PS Vita like) would work better for games that still need some help from the touch screen.

I won't get it as it's the first time a device like this is being made, and there'll be unpredictable problems with the device. Sitting on the fence, and I'll be waiting for shield 2. Also, because I'm in no hurry.
One more reason is that I have gtx 560 ti and not 660.
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Def getting one here, I think it's a novel concept and I applaud Nvidia (and any other company) for trying to make a product that is unique. I do have a drawer full of "unique devices" though so it will really be up to Nvidia to stick by the device to make it successful. It is for sure priced at a premium and I believe that will be a barrier for many but, if you are a real hard core PC gamer you are used to spending pretty big bucks for a fast setup so from that perspective the price might be ok.

I pre-ordered one because it has physical buttons. I've been using an Asus Transformer Infinity tablet with a PS3 controller to play emulators when I'm bored at work. Not very Ideal. This morning I sold the infinity on craigslist, took the cash over to gamestop and pre-ordered a shield.
Android Emulators
PC Streaming
Opening new worlds with Root access
These are my reasons OP. I'm hoping that with root access we will find a way to stream the PC games without being on the same wifi network. I have amazing internet at work and at home. My gaming desktop is HUGE.
This is my steam library I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.

Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a -7- 5 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.

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Well, I saw this section on XDA, and thought it was quite interesting, but I'm definately not going to buy the shield.
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device, while I'm even on the same network? My chair is as comfortable as the couch :/ so I see no reason to stream. (Also, I use ATI cards as Nvidia ones are overpriced over performance. "But ye, I don't have to bull**** about drivers and it just works" - You know what kind of people have that argument as well? People that buy apple)
- It's not even out yet, and pre-ordering is just insanely stupid. You're laying down money for a product that is not even tested, and you're purchasing it for the highest price possible, as products only get cheaper over time. I will even go as far as simply declaring people that pre-order products, may it be games or actual products are extremely retarded.
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Wow, that's a pretty large set of arrogant statements with no good backing. Why do you have an ATI card? If you stuck with a Trident card for longer, the price on that ATI card would come down even more! Calling people who preorder "extremely retarded" only means you're completely removed from rational discussion. I pre-order games if I don't want to have to worry about them on launch day. I pre-order hardware that may be hard to get on launch day (or shortly after). Maybe the real problem is that you can't afford to pre-order products, and you're jealous of people who can? Maybe you're happy with older technology until the dust has settled? Those are good reasons to claim you're not going to pre-order a product. But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality.

Svardskampe said:
- It's marketed by Nvidia, I expect huge prices.
- I'm an eyefinity gamer (this means I play on a resolution of 5760x1080), scaling down to a 7 inch device.
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you call us retarded but can't get any facts for yourself before commenting.
A) price is already up. There is no price to expect when it has already been announced.
B) its 5 inches not 7.
C) It doesn't just dream, its a fully fledged android device and very capable of playing games offline, there are quite a few good games coming out on android now.
I want go get shield but its not up for pre order in the UK yet, looks to be around the £230 mark if you do a straight price conversion although if you follow existing trends they will charge £300 or more in the UK because everyone hates us and charges us more for no reason. I can't afford the £230 price tag right now, let alone if it does get a price bump.
If I get one it will likely get loaded with emulators and then it might make an interesting device to make apps for. I couldn't care less about streaming. I just see it as what the PS Vita should have been, a high end android device with a gamepad (yes it is my opinion that the vita would have been much better if it was an android device).

Oh I'm sorry, this is the internet, I need to back up the fact that a cigar is a cigar on every post I make?
The US prices are released, not any international ones. With the current rate, it should come down at €270. Hell no, it will get that tag in Europe. It could go as far as €300 to €400. That's still a huge difference.
And yes, I would go as far as claiming that pre-ordering products is an extremely retarded action. Why would you pay the royal jackpot for a product, that has no one ever reviewed yet, that no one ever put to day-to-day use and could report how it functions. You pay that royal jackpot for a mere idea or concept, led by marketing and manufacturers claims. I cannot see how this could be a good decision in any daylight.
"But to announce that everyone online is "extremely retarded" is really just showing your own ignorance and cry-baby mentality."
Why would that claim be untrue? I see no valid reason why you would not be retarded if you just believe a manufacturer by the nice blue colour of their eyes. I see no ignorance from my side, only those of who pre-order stuff. I see no cry-baby mentality in that statement, only from you who are quite tense in defending your purchase.
It's alright though, it's your purchase, your good decision to do so, and I do not say you can't do that. You're just not that sane in my opinion, just as you think negatively about me. I see you are quite tense. Don't get pushed that much by someone on the internet.

See, I know a lot more about the product than you. I've been playing with it for months. My decision to pre-order has nothing to do with marketing or hype. I choose to pre-order the product based on solid facts, hands on testing, specific knowledge of the features, and specific plans of what I intend to do with it. When I pre-order software, it is generally after either beta testing it or careful homework on the software in question with the knowledge that my friends and I will be playing it on release day together. Since I live in the US, I know the price, and I know whether it will be coming down any time soon. And they aren't allowed to charge me until they ship, so it's not profit to them yet either, I can cancel at any time.
I pay a premium to remain on cutting edge technology, and because of it, I have done well in my career. I owe my current position on getting involved with Android earlier than most people, and diving into the technical aspects of it. That's what I do.
So you can think of me as retarded all you want. I'm thinking you're just too lazy to be an informed buyer until after everyone else already has it.
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PR0XIDIAN said:
I have an extremely beefy desktop with an Nvidia card I built.
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Dat misplaced modifier
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Dat misplaced modifier
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LOL! you are right. I was tired when I wrote that. I built the desktop not the Nvidia card

I will definitely be buying one as well. I have already pre ordered the shield. Some of the features that I like are obviously streaming PC games to the device so I can play them while sitting on my couch or in another room. I also like the shield for the controls so I can play games like Shadowgun, modern combat and other games like those. I also like that I can also use it just like any other Android device.
The speakers are here are incredible and it was shown that you can actually play music and use as a speaker alone which I think is a neat idea as well. Lastly I think a lot of developers are going to be making some pretty awesome games for this device and this device especially has endless possibilities.
I already have a set up that will provide a great experience for streaming PC games so don't need to buy anything extra for it to work right out of the box. I currently use Moga pro to play games on my Nexus 10, but it is a pain to carry around both devices for this to happen.
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I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.

Ixz said:
I`ve pre-ordered mine on May 16, 2013 for a fun reasons like to help developers in test with custom recoveries, kernels, systems or such things. I hope there is going to be guys who willing to develope for this thing something because it got some good potential.
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Recovery looks like it will lack touch for a while, but developing ROMs for it shouldn't be overly difficult.
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future of Micro-consoles?

Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
Overview:
The big 3 Console manufactures have stagnated
Mobile hardware and Google Android is advancing rapidly
Convergence of Mobile HW/SW into the desktop domain
Resurgence of the microcomputer (highend Android appliance)
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I used my laptop (rather then turning on the desktop) mainly for simple general things like emails, web browsing, chat and reading/writing documents etc.
After using the MOJO with a full USB keyboard and mouse on the coffee table for the past week my laptop has been made redundant.
As a desktop/laptop replacement, The MOJO has great performance with superb multi-tasking of applications.
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My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome

gwaldo said:
Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome
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I agree with you gwald. I think android micro-consoles are just beginning. Since the idea of the Ouya came to light, I couldn't wait to get an android gaming console. Of course, Ouya wasn't exactly what I wanted. I think the perfect android console would use a stock google android experience, great hardware and access to any and every game out there in the android ecosystem. Enter: Madcatz MOJO, this does everything I could dream an android console could do - and more. I really think 6 months from now, or by the end of the year, the MOJO will have the updates it needs and more and more controller compatible games will be released - making the MOJO even better. If you were to put an Xbox One, PS4, and MOJO right in front of me I would still pick the MOJO. Android is the perfect OS for gaming console, and devs out there are truly making some really great games - and they are so cheap!
If any gaming systems are going to phase out sooner than later - I'm betting it's going to be the big three. With Android entering the living room space via micro console, hdmi sticks, set top boxes etc - consumers have many more options to choose from, and don't have to spend $400 or more on a console with games at $60 a pop. Just my thoughts!

ya I agree I show my friends that have consoles and they are surprised on the graphics coming from a small box. and its coming along just hope the suppoert for this is long term

Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
Sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans tell The Verge that the company is seriously considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone.
While planning is ongoing and it's still early, we’re told that some inside Microsoft favor the idea of simply enabling Android apps inside its Windows and Windows Phone Stores, while others believe it could lead to the death of the Windows platform altogether.
The mixed (and strong) feelings internally highlight that Microsoft will need to be careful with any radical move.
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If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.

It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.

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It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.
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Thats the reason I love it. Stock Google Android. I wouldn't want some launcher skinned over the top. I like the interface, plus I already know how to use it. After owning my MOJO for over a month, I know the CTRLR like the back of my hand. It's really easy to use. What's more, you can hook up any wired, wireless, or bluetooth device such as a mouse and keyboard to make it more PC like if you want to navigate that way.
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Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.
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I think MS implementing android app compatibility is about as likely as Apple producing an android phone. I think MS's next big move is integrating their PC/Tablet/Phone OS's rolled into one. I've read a few articles over the last few months that points this. I think it'd be a cool idea and bring something a little fresher out there for windows users. I really don't see MS pulling out of the phone market anytime soon, but then again, I really don't see them on par with android or apple. I think we still have a few more years to go for MS to stop throwing money at the OS and saying the heck with it. I personally enjoy their mobile OS. Back when the ZuneHD came out, I loved it. Had always thought they were on to something with that user interface - then that turned in to Windows phone pretty much. I know their mobile products aren't the most popular, but it sure is a pretty OS and does the job quite well.

I love my mojo, and the ctrl controller is one of the best I've ever owned.

IMMENSE
The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.

PHYSC-1 said:
The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games
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I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.

AmigaWolf said:
Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.

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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Yes your right about that.
And that the reason i do not use Cloud servers for photos or music, only for Apps or Firmwares and such, and thats also the reason i do not use
Facebook or twitter.

AmigaWolf said:
Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.

PHYSC-1 said:
Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.
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Sorry to say but the fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 is MUCH faster then your Mad Catz M.O.J.O., you can't even compare the two of them, but you forget one thing Windows uses a lot of power, put Linux on your computer and he will blow Windows away.
And sorry to say but MOST people buy a different Phone or in your case Android TV Box every year.
And i buy a new GFX Card every 3 a 4 years, and MB i do even longer with, my X58 is already 4 years old, and the same for CPU, updated my
Intel CPU from Quad to 6-Core, almost 2 years ago.
And the world of android gaming will NOT be changed forever with the the Tegra K1, because when it cames out there will be GPU's and
CPU's that are as fast as that one, or even faster, same with Tegra 4.
The Tegra 4 is nothing special, the GPU that is in the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (the Adreno 330) is as fast (and sometimes faster) as the
Tegra 4.
And with the Tegra K1 we will NOT get PC or Playstation 4 or Xbox One graphics, that still is going to be allot of years, or do you think
Sony and Microsoft are stupit if Android devices are as good looking (graphics) as them in only a view years?
And Android devices also have to be upgraded ever time, to play all games 100%.

PHYSC-1 said:
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Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops

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gwaldo said:
Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops
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It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.

PHYSC-1 said:
It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
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You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
PHYSC-1 said:
The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
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HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
PHYSC-1 said:
It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.
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But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
buy a Laptop PC Or Game PC or Playstation 4 and Xbox One to play games on or look at movies and download with and Internet with.

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As i said before it is what it is and it will be what it will be,the android gaming era is about to make a massive shift sooner rather than later.And where there is a consumer market with far less money to burn,then i am afraid it is just pure and simple calculation and common sense to think that people will go for the cheaper option in such hard times.And as it stands to get unreal engine 4 capable graphics then people are going to think i would rather pay a couple or few hundred quid not a grand.

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AmigaWolf said:
You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
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I agree with you it's nothing like pc games 'yet' on android meaning those style games will come as hardware capability evolves with k1 ushering in that start point for change graphically on android units, but pc games are now a little uniform and tbh a little bit tedious, android offers fresh ideas in play style very often, it's sort of a break from the mundane if you like.Not that all pc games are mundane but lets face it tonnes of the releases are an upgrade to predated games or a repetitive style of game that got an update/upgrade or hd rewrite.The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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PHYSC-1 said:
The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app

gwaldo said:
Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app
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tbh i do have the sneeking suspision that epic working with nvidia on android software = either gears of war or a new game that bares some form of resembelance to it or makes the same kind of impact on android as it did for the 360 once this keplar chip comes of ag, you may find that title is being kept under tight wraps and will make a debut when k1 hits stores as the flagship game of choice and favor or at the least one of them.
It's got to be a team effort and must be why they are working in parallel at present in regards to this keplar k1 chip software for it's games.Apparently borderlands was supposed to hit the current tegra 4 but i think that may be a title for keplar k1 as well,in fact borderlands has even got a trailer forget the exact title but it's hanging about on youtube right now,it only seems to be video and not ingame footage though unfortunately.So maybe that is because it takes keplar to run it on?They will probably bang out a more vast selection of games on release day this time,because it would definately appear some serious game making firms are in cahoots with nvidia in relation to android gaming as of late.And my money would be on the bet that keplar is the main reason for this sudden interest,as it's going to be yet another console platform for companies to work with.

Still waiting

After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?

Very true. I'd consider myself an Android "enthusiast" and got the original Logitech Google TV and then the Sony Google TV. Big disappointments! The Nexus Player is great when compared to those two, but I'm only using it for games right now. The Roku 3 is still superior in terms of media consumption - at least in my eyes.

wastate2014 said:
After all the hype this past summer about Android TV powered by NVidia I spent the last half of 2014 keeping my eyes peeled for Android TV news. Then the release of the Nexus with atom/vr was a big disappointment! Now of all things Razer which I thought for sure would use NVidia goes for Qualcomm another disappointment! There is the upcoming Snail Games OBox which looks interesting but does not appear to be Android TV based? Am I the only one who would like a K1 or for that matter X1 powered box? Yes I admit I am a NVidia fan I can notice graphics that come from NVidia colors are different just personal choice.
Contrary to what most of you here enjoy(Mods, Sideloading, etc.) these things should be a choice not something that has to be done to make the system work for such things as storage for games? I currently own FireTV, Madcatz Mojo, Ouya, ADT1 and it seems to me that android still has a way to go before it truely is ready for the living room out of the box? The issue is difficult one player has HBO Go while the other can load apps and Kodi I have been searching for that box that can do all of this DAY 1 ? I am getting older and while I enjoy reading this forum and all the talent it contains I just don't have the energy to perform all these mods just to get what I consider to be that perfect box that just works when you plug it in:victory:?
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While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.

Wilberry said:
While I don`t disagree with you, you can wait forever for the latest hardware or UI. There will always be a better chip or box just around the corner and that next release of code is coming any day now. The way I look at it is we are at about gen 1-2 of these devices (I have had a couple already) with a few more to go. You can either sit on the sidelines for another 1-2 years or understand the limitations of what you are getting and play with it. Remember Android TV was released less than a year ago and has some growing up to do. The alternative is a stock Android OS, which requires customization.
I have the NP and think the specs are reasonable for the cost I paid. I could pay to play for all the google services, or tinker (as I have) and install Kodi and a bunch of other apps.
The only problem with your strategy is that in order to get a turn key solution with no tinkering, it will likely come from your friendly cable or IPTV provider with an additional subscription fee.
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Your so right, Its a never ending cycle with new products all the time. It just seems in this case you either have a good OS with ahhhh...specs! , or great specs with terrible software (example: Madcatz Mojo). My worst habit is I shop by specs which gets expensive:silly:
I dont mind spending $$$ for a box but even then the market is bare save PS4 or Xbox....maybe Tivo? Looking forward to a true Android Game Console...Storage and all!

I'm definitely keeping my eyes on the Obox!
If I have to wait, wait I shall. Lol!

Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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jfriend33 said:
Could someone please advise me here.
In terms of longevity of use, lowest cost to own, and performance.
I currently have a Amazon firetv stick. I have been on the fence about buying a game controller as it's $40.
I have seen many ADT-1s sell on eBay for less than $100 with a remote and game controller. It is my understanding that the memory on the adt1 is superior to the nexus player.
However I don't want to buy something that down the road won't be supported. My roku 2xd still works and gets updated. But once I used my firetv stick I was hooked on speed.
I prefer Google devices and love my Nexus 7 2013. It has lots of support too.
Bottom line, and sorry for taking over, but could someone advise me on if I'd be better buying a Nexus Player or adt-1. FYI I'm not a gamer and don't play them often. I prefer my NES and n64. In fact I'd probably love using n64/nes/snes/gbaoid on one of these android tv devices lol.
What's the best for long term stability?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jlz3z/the_developer_adt1_vs_the_nexus_player_vs_amazon/
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In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.

LiamAtkins90 said:
In my opinion, you should get either of these 3:
Mad Catz Mojo Tegra 4
Kepler GPU
£120
Razor Forge TV Snapdragon 805
Adreno 420 GPU
£100
Snail Games Obox Tegra X1
Kepler GPU
£150
Other consoles like Amazon fire TV, Ouya all have outdated specs and you will get a lot better quality with what I mentioned above.
Look up each console and decide what you want.
I personally, want an Obox for the raw power of the X1 soc.
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Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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jfriend33 said:
Very cool I will look into them. Almost bought the Madcatz ctrlr for my firetv stick. Lots of good reviews.
What do you think about this :
http://m.geekbuying.com/ItemDescription/336181
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It looks good, I'm not really a fan of mediatek chipsets though. But for £100 it's an OK price.