Another article by ifan in mashable - Eee Pad Transformer General

Another article by ifan in mashable - Eee Pad Transformer General

www.mashable.com/2012/01/27/ipad-two-years-later/
Android is the leading platform on mobile. But on the tablet, the number of optimized apps are still extremely low. I’d be surprised if there were as many tablet-specific apps for Android now as there were for the iPad at its launch....
Over the last two years, plenty of so-called “iPad Killers” have entered the market. Very few found success.
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Now they're lying right thru their teeth. No shame at all.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.

tynan said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.
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Hate to burst YOUR bubble but, most iPad apps were just zoomed in iPhone apps for quite awhile. It takes awhile for developers to embrace a new platform. Im hoping that the merging of phone and tablet OS's with ICS fix most of the developer qualms with android. I personally see android tablets becoming more popular than the iPad in just a couple years. Just MHO

tynan said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.
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Look at the sentence that I quoted again. Are you telling me that by now the number of tablet optimized apps in android market is not as many as the number of tablet optimized apps in apple appstore when they first launched the ipad 2 years ago? Again, read that sentence again.
And by the way, no tablet company has ever proclaimed their product was "an ipad killer". This was a term coined by ifanboys.

This is a good site..
https://www.mylookout.com/appgenome/
Some highlights..many more apps for sale on apple store, many more free apps on android
Android has exploded % wise, increasing number of apps by more % than apple, while app still has over twice as many apps in their market
Apple has 6 times as many developers contributing to their market because the profit factor on apple is much higher than android
Open source! FTW!
Android also isn't employing slave labor in china..well, at least not 700,000 slaves..that im aware of..just more reasons to love android.

The real issue between the two is not an issue of quality, fragmentation or applications. The real issue between the two tablets is price. Even if someone can afford an Ipad doesn't mean they will buy it. Seriously, who wants to throwdown seven hundred bones for a tablet with no expandable memory and limited customization? The applications will rectify themselves in time, they always do. Apple is like Mercedes. They make great computers,but like Mercedes people do not buy their cars to alter or customize them. That is the difference- nobody wants to hot rod a Mercedes!

I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.

goodintentions said:
I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.
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The real question is why something that lacks those things is $700.....

Please, make me pay more money for a product that has fewer customizable options and lower quality hardware than it's android opposition! -every iphan..

This is just anti-apple circle jerking. I dont think this is a "discussion" of any sorts.
Honestly, as a Transformer owner, I ENVY the lack of tablet apps on Android. It may eventually be solved, but until then
Seeing facebook and twitter run blown up phone apps which arent easy to navigate on a tablet just plain SUCKS.
Yes the iPad may not be very customizable, no expansions and stuff but the apps there are really really high quality. Also an endless amount of selection of games.
It's sad that Android doesnt even have flipboard yet

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Look at the sentence that I quoted again. Are you telling me that by now the number of tablet optimized apps in android market is not as many as the number of tablet optimized apps in apple appstore when they first launched the ipad 2 years ago? Again, read that sentence again.
And by the way, no tablet company has ever proclaimed their product was "an ipad killer". This was a term coined by ifanboys.
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I remain on the fences in regards to the article. Android Market has roughly 62 tablet optimized apps, and App Brain seems to be closing in on 100 apps for tablets.
But if you are one to believe whatever you read, then I guess there is no way to sway your opinion. If you are one to do your own research and make up your own mind, then I think (in my opinion) you will be better off.

As android tablets take more and more of the market and replace even netbook pcs in the next few years there will be more tablet apps on the android market than there was on the apple market with similar age/market share. It seems that way anyway if the trends continue, especially as the android is seen as a developer's device, and ios devices are consumer level, there will always be more money in the apple store because they are geared to deep pocketed consumers to begin with, which in itself draw developers to want to put apps on the apple market. However you look at it though the two devices are not quite equals..more like similar devices.
Apples and oranges imo, in that they are both fruits and similarity really ends there.

-yawn- another nonsense article written by a clueless techie. It has all of the hallmarks. Totally ignore all of the Android devices that directly compete against the iPad and win? Check. Glorify the iPad as if it's the first tablet to have ever been created? Check. Shortsell the Android platform based on Honeycomb? Check. Compare the iPad to the Kindle Fire based on "an ecosystem"? Check.
If she thought Honeycomb was where Android should have caught up to iPad in terms of tablet compatible apps, she's naive. I should know, I've been to a Google sponsored event and I've seen just how hard these guys are trying with ICS (NOT HONEYCOMB) to stress best design practices and make all apps compatible between phones and tablets by stressing the use of classes like fragment and actionbar. Mark my words: ICS is where the phone/tablet apps will spring out and provided the app designers follow Google's tips and use the classes at their disposable, the apps will not only have stellar UI's that look good on tablets, they'll look good on phones too. Look at the G-Mail app on ICS and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Once this kind of development catches on it will steamroll apps on iOS and the chasm between phone and tablet apps will become much smaller. The hurdle is getting developers to learn these practices and adopt them on a wider scale and with Google directly helping developers by putting up training websites, I don't see this being a problem for long.

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The real question is why something that lacks those things is $700.....
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goodintentions said:
I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.
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So that they can upgrade the cameras on iPad3, and then add in an expandable memory in iPad3s (or iPad4). People lap up what Apple does and so Apple can get away with that ****. Their advertisement campaign is frakking admirable to be honest.
I think Android would kill Apple if they allowed the OnSkreen thing onto the OS. At the moment, Google is still waiting to see if people pick up on the fact that tablets are more than for consumption which is why they aren't picking up the OnSkreen thing since it seems like dumping money into waters that haven't shown their potential yet. It's stupid though, of course, since they could possibly be killing the competition by introducing it first..
(Maybe the projection thing will kill tablets before they become a thing and we'll have just have devices that can turn anything into a "touch screen" instead of tablets.)

Related

Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
Doc
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

so, i went to an apple store today...

so, i come from a Windows Mobile background (HTC Wizard first, Samsung Code after that). I've never owned an iPhone or played much with one.
we happened to be in the mall around the apple store and it was unbelievably packed (seriously). so we went in while we waited for our friends. and i started to play with an iPhone 4...and i'm not changing my phone...obviously. i pulled out the evo and I had my newly converted Avatar playing and got many looks from customers there....
anyways, point is while trying out the iphone I got to play guitar hero on it and it was great...so i got out of that store wanting to keep my phone and get a new game for it. when I go search on the market the only guitar hero on there has horrible reviews???
has anyone played a guitar hero / band hero type of game for the evo that works well? i dont want the iphone but just that game has had me thinking about it all day!
on another note...when do you guys think we'll start to have the amount of big companies developing for android like for the iphone? i would like to get some premium games!

I know what you mean about big companies developing for the Android Platform. With the fact that Android Devices are now over taking the Iphone.. I would say that it won't be long before we start seeing apps flying out from those same companies that have been dedicating there apps for just the Iphone. They can't ignore the market and the shares that Android phones have now taken. IMOP it's going to happen real soon that we start seeing them. I've noticed a lot more apps being developed across both platforms. Not to mention when you have phones with the speed like the EVO; they know more Iphone users are starting to jump over to the Android platform.

I have seen a few GH games for Android and they are pretty decent IMHO.

well i tried Guitar Hero World Tour and couldn't get past the login screen. after awkwardly putting in my username....what? no ok, next, arrow, nothing to move past that screen. nothing on the menu button...just nothing! and then it force closed...so uninstall and refund.
now i'm trying Guitar Hero 5...it's not perfect but at least it works. i have the idea that the one for iPhone was still better, but from what i'm seeing this is a 3rd party app whereas the iPhone one was official Guitar Hero (from their site).
i got another 23 hours to decide if i want to keep this $10 game
any other recommendations? i know there's a lot of apps that wont show up in the market, maybe you guys know of some killer game like this that's out there?

Big companies wont get involved in Android no matter how much it surpasses Apple. Heres why:
There are simply too many ****ing Android phones. HTC pulls a phone out of its ass every month - they are literally all the same except different screen sizes, pixel counts, and processors - like its something revolutionary. Its a REALLY stupid marketing design for the long run. Apple, on the other hand, releases something completely new every iPhone while keeping the hardware the same. By this, I mean there aren't 500000 iPhone 4's - just one. With this, developers, especially for games, can focus on 1 platform whereas with Android you have to worry about a mess of hardware issues.
Really, its stupid HTC's fault. They REALLY need to stop releasing a ****ing phone every 2 weeks and focus on keeping the quality of their phones top notch. The Hero was promised so many updates but still lacks all of them.
So yeah developers really giving a **** about Android? Unlikely. If you want games get an iPod/iPhone.

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Big companies wont get involved in Android no matter how much it surpasses Apple. Heres why:
There are simply too many ****ing Android phones. HTC pulls a phone out of its ass every month - they are literally all the same except different screen sizes, pixel counts, and processors - like its something revolutionary. Its a REALLY stupid marketing design for the long run. Apple, on the other hand, releases something completely new every iPhone while keeping the hardware the same. By this, I mean there aren't 500000 iPhone 4's - just one. With this, developers, especially for games, can focus on 1 platform whereas with Android you have to worry about a mess of hardware issues.
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Sorry, but that's the the dumbest argument I have seen all day. So why is Windows SO successful with app developers? With literally thousands of models of laptops and COUNTLESS configurations of desktops with different screen sizes, resolution, graphics cards, ram, the list goes on.
In fact, Android does it even BETTER than windows. Phone Hardware is tightly tied to Android APIs which means your LED flashlight app should work on all phones with LEDs, and so on.
Resolution is also not an issue with Android, as apps are written like webpages: resolution-independent, unlike iOS. . Example: Most android market apps run great on the newly announced Galaxy Tab whereas Apple had to throw a frickin' iPhone emulator on the iPad.
It ultimately comes down to adoption. Android is a monster now, and developers ARE taking notice. In fact, ALL of my iPhone app favorites are on android, or currently in development.
Also, releasing different phones is NOT stupid marketing. Turns out there are SIX BILLION people in the world, and different people have different needs. One size does NOT fit all. And guess what? Android is projected to become the #1 mobile platform very, very soon.
It's Mac vs. Windows all over again. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who's going to win.

Off-topic. A few days ago we were at the galleria shopping for a present, and we passed the Apple store like 8 times. Every single time we passed it I would take out my Evo and point it at the store and we would start yelling IPHONE SUCKS ANDROID EVO 4G. And then walk off casually as if nothing had happened. Was awesome.

Zori said:
Off-topic. A few days ago we were at the galleria shopping for a present, and we passed the Apple store like 8 times. Every single time we passed it I would take out my Evo and point it at the store and we would start yelling IPHONE SUCKS ANDROID EVO 4G. And then walk off casually as if nothing had happened. Was awesome.
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This made me LOL.
In any case, to think that developers are going to ignore Android because there are to many handsets is ridiculous. Developers are going to go where the money is, period. Even with the extra headache, having a potential market that is 20x larger is a pretty significant reason to put up with the fragmentation issues (that I don't believe are nearly as bad as the Henny Pennys make it out to be).

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This made me LOL.
In any case, to think that developers are going to ignore Android because there are to many handsets is ridiculous. Developers are going to go where the money is, period. Even with the extra headache, having a potential market that is 20x larger is a pretty significant reason to put up with the fragmentation issues (that I don't believe are nearly as bad as the Henny Pennys make it out to be).
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I agree that goes on the books as one of the dumbest arguments i have read. i mean it would never be possible to make an app that let you choose your resolution or make it default to the resolution of the device it is being used on such as with almost every full screen computer game/program :O thats impossible. oh wait no it isnt.
The android platform will pass up iOS (if it hasnt already thought i read it already did but will give benefit of the doubt to apple). The fact that they bring out so many phones is exactly WHY it is going to. you have 1 phone (ok 2 if you count last gen) for sale normally with iOS. you have how many android devices? A LOT. the longer it is out and the more people actually get to use it the fewer iphone drones there will be and the more android will flourish and with that comes more development.
Many developers have already started (though some of them seem not to have done there homework) EA for example has already started...though they said they wished android had an app delivery system such as the istore .... (they apparently haven't heard of the app market in android)..but they are starting to develop.

zeuzinn said:
Sorry, but that's the the dumbest argument I have seen all day. So why is Windows SO successful with app developers? With literally thousands of models of laptops and COUNTLESS configurations of desktops with different screen sizes, resolution, graphics cards, ram, the list goes on.
In fact, Android does it even BETTER than windows. Phone Hardware is tightly tied to Android APIs which means your LED flashlight app should work on all phones with LEDs, and so on.
Resolution is also not an issue with Android, as apps are written like webpages: resolution-independent, unlike iOS. . Example: Most android market apps run great on the newly announced Galaxy Tab whereas Apple had to throw a frickin' iPhone emulator on the iPad.
It ultimately comes down to adoption. Android is a monster now, and developers ARE taking notice. In fact, ALL of my iPhone app favorites are on android, or currently in development.
Also, releasing different phones is NOT stupid marketing. Turns out there are SIX BILLION people in the world, and different people have different needs. One size does NOT fit all. And guess what? Android is projected to become the #1 mobile platform very, very soon.
It's Mac vs. Windows all over again. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who's going to win.
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It's a decent argument. They aren't selling these games for $50 like they would on Windows. When you are selling a game for $2-5, margins are slim. Look at the high end games right now, they usually have to make several versions of the game to work for PowerVR GPUs, Adreno, etc.
As for resolution independence, not completely. Android uses raster images for a lot of UI elements. If you look in a APK, you'll see a resource folder that holds image data for various resolutions, usually just two (320x480 and ~800x480). There is no folder for higher resolution tablets so either they'll a) be blurry from scaling up or b) have a lot of empty space in the app. Option A would be the same as how the iOS does it for the iPad. Anyway, this a non issue to me (and hopefully everyone else too). Why use a tablet for phone size apps? I want tablet apps, I already have a damn 4.3" Android phone.
One last point about resolution problems, since Apps have to include weighty graphic files for all resolutions it also has to carry the added file size. So the more resolutions it has to support, the bigger the file. Because Apple was in control of the hardware they were able to do something that works: just double the resolution (320x480 to 640x960). Apps made for both resolutions look the same regardless of which resolution it was originally made for since they can scale 1:1.
Here is why developers don't like the Android Marketplace:
1) Fragmentation, yes it's real. No matter how much you argue, developing for Android requires more work than iOS. That is a fact.
2) Payment method. It sucks on Android and doesn't on iOS. A lower ratio of user buy paid apps on Android and that's a fact.
3) Not as many countries even support paid apps at all. This hurts it a lot.
4) User base is still much larger on iOS.

award no one said their wouldnt be more difficulities in dealing with the diffrent resolutions. What we said is that no smart developing firm is going to ignore the android platform because of it which is what the arguement said they would do.
does dealing with multiple resolutions increase cost for the developer and present more difficulties then developing for just 1 phone. Sure. are developers going to turn there nose at the android platform which is currently close to if not bigger then the iOS platform as far as usage and growing quickly? I cant see the future but i would wager no they arent.
so the arguement that big developers will never touch the android platform because of resolution issues IS a stupid arguement. if he would have said the developers are slow to get involved because of how fractured the phones are for the android platform i would tend to agree it was a decent arguement, but thats not what the arguement was.

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award no one said their wouldnt be more difficulities in dealing with the diffrent resolutions. What we said is that no smart developing firm is going to ignore the android platform because of it which is what the arguement said they would do.
does dealing with multiple resolutions increase cost for the developer and present more difficulties then developing for just 1 phone. Sure. are developers going to turn there nose at the android platform which is currently close to if not bigger then the iOS platform as far as usage and growing quickly? I cant see the future but i would wager no they arent.
so the arguement that big developers will never touch the android platform because of resolution issues IS a stupid arguement. if he would have said the developers are slow to get involved because of how fractured the phones are for the android platform i would tend to agree it was a decent arguement, but thats not what the arguement was.
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By itself I agree. But Android's Marketplace problems (which I noted) add up. I work as a developer/designer (not mobile apps though) and time is money. The money just isn't there to justify building both iOS and Android apps.

Award Tour said:
By itself I agree. But Android's Marketplace problems (which I noted) add up. I work as a developer/designer (not mobile apps though) and time is money. The money just isn't there to justify building both iOS and Android apps.
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Exactly. My boss used to work for 3
Ea games and he said there is an entire section of the Ea building that is sealed off like the pentagon. This section is the iPhone developers area. With ios booming so much its not economically feasible to develop for Android. Besides that the android line has far too many hardware differences. There is a lot of bad information in this thread. Believe me when I say everything I have said to be the truth. If android wants games like iPhone it needs to start producing similar hardware which is not going to happen.

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Exactly. My boss used to work for 3
Ea games and he said there is an entire section of the Ea building that is sealed off like the pentagon. This section is the iPhone developers area. With ios booming so much its not economically feasible to develop for Android. Besides that the android line has far too many hardware differences. There is a lot of bad information in this thread. Believe me when I say everything I have said to be the truth. If android wants games like iPhone it needs to start producing similar hardware which is not going to happen.
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I agree with the other poster, if the buyers are there, developers will invest into the platform. Android Hardware fragmentation will never be solved and will always be a pain to developers. That said, it'll be a pain they'll tolerate but not until they fix the broken Marketplace that is preventing/pushing people from buying apps.

I feel in time, android phones will be more alike, after they find one good setup... But also more people are coming to the adroid phone which will drive the demand for devs, so I feel they will start producing in the near future.
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Big companies wont get involved in Android no matter how much it surpasses Apple. Heres why:
There are simply too many ****ing Android phones. HTC pulls a phone out of its ass every month - they are literally all the same except different screen sizes, pixel counts, and processors - like its something revolutionary. Its a REALLY stupid marketing design for the long run. Apple, on the other hand, releases something completely new every iPhone while keeping the hardware the same. By this, I mean there aren't 500000 iPhone 4's - just one. With this, developers, especially for games, can focus on 1 platform whereas with Android you have to worry about a mess of hardware issues.
Really, its stupid HTC's fault. They REALLY need to stop releasing a ****ing phone every 2 weeks and focus on keeping the quality of their phones top notch. The Hero was promised so many updates but still lacks all of them.
So yeah developers really giving a **** about Android? Unlikely. If you want games get an iPod/iPhone.
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I have several friends who design apps as a living for the iphone. I've asked them why they don't do Android apps, and they basically said this exact same thing. With low profit margins and the need to constantly release new apps, it's easier for them to just focus on the iphone because it only has 1 phone, they don't need to change anything for each different phone. Even if android ends up being 60% of the market, that 60% is split over 10 touchscreen phones, while apple has the remaining 40% with just the one phone

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I have several friends who design apps as a living for the iphone. I've asked them why they don't do Android apps, and they basically said this exact same thing. With low profit margins and the need to constantly release new apps, it's easier for them to just focus on the iphone because it only has 1 phone, they don't need to change anything for each different phone. Even if android ends up being 60% of the market, that 60% is split over 10 touchscreen phones, while apple has the remaining 40% with just the one phone
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Yeah I don't know why some people in here are doubting my argument like I am making frivolous claims. This is my job - to work in programming and simulations. My boss used to work for EA. He still helps dev teams out with the iPhone. Lots of people on these forums just talk talk talk talk like they know what they are talking about. Sad.

Big companies wont get involved in Android no matter how much it surpasses Apple. Heres why:
That's idiotic. Game development by big players is happening right now. Remember that Android didn't have powerful hardware in a mass market seller until the Droid, which was released only a year ago. Now that the hardware base is full of Evo, Droid X/2 and Galaxy S phones, there's a huge opportunity. Not to mention that Android will likely be the #2 smartphone OS in another year, and probably dominant in the US.
Couple that with the fact that Android is easier to develop for than iOS, and a company would have to have some retarded management to disregard Android.

The person who said they wont get involved because of hardware differences is absolutely correct and its been said its the reason why android has been somewhat held back. When the iphone4 and evo first came out u read that's in an article. The development tools are harder to use also probably due toso many different hardware specs. But it also said that developers think android is the future and will be better than iOS. Eventually we'll see better games but its really does make sense about thee difficulties of turing to develop something on devices with completely different hardware specs. And its not the same as computers because most computers can be upgrades on the hardware front or they come barely good enough to work with a particular software.

Relative Smartphone O/S Market Shares
I can't speak to the relative speed of game development on the respective phone platforms, but I can say that Android's market share gains are pretty formidable. According to the latest reports, Android is closing in on RIM and Apple for smartphone operating system market share in the U.S..
On a worldwide basis, Android appears to be in third place behind Symbian (by a large margin) and closely on the heels of RIM.
I wanted to provide a link to the source of that information, but was not allowed to do so. Thus, I'll simply say that you can find an article called "An Analysis and Valuation of The Success Story Formally Known as Android" on the Zero Hedge website.
I'd be shocked if the top mobile gaming titles weren't available on Android in the foreseeable future.

Google doesn't care about tablets

With the release of Ice Cream comes the "merger" of the Android OS. One OS for both tablets and phones. But Google isn't quite that interested in tablets right now, it wants to work more at developing phones with it's acquired Motorola and partnership with Samsung. And with good reason.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/tech/...ablets-wired/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

all speculation

I agree with rmxo it is all speculation, to be fair I can see how tablets are less lucrative than phones. People seem to think google is something more than a business.
Not that I wouldn't like to see ICS on the galaxy tab I suspect this awesome community will a get ics rom cooked before an official tab build gets released.
I actually think samsung should be on googles back regarding ics on the tab.

That's bull****. If Google didn't "care about tablets", they wouldn't have spent millions on Honeycomb development, risked alienating the user base by locking up source code, etc.
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference.

the article's author's opinion is really biased imo...
so.. nah... if Google decides to do this which imo won't happen... they are pissing a lot of people off...
if google doesn't care about tablets... why bother making ICS 1280x720 as a default resolution?

Ridiculous. In terms of development, you focus on phones because it is a larger market, but failing to see the rise of the next big mass media device (tablets) is not the problem Google has here. They simply are saying, right now, we are focusing on bringing the tablet experience to phones. They are making development on both platforms more efficient with single dev on ICS. Tablets likely weren't talked big because really, ICS is HC for phones AND tablets. And although it brings more features that HC does not have, it is more or less HC at it's core experience.

Asus already announced the Transformer Prime and original transformer will have ICS by end of Dec.
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Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver

Why did you post this here? It's pure speculation by one tech analyst, and has basically nothing to do with this forum.

Stupid article. Sometimes these tech writers have to make logic leaps to justify a story.
At first i thought it was curious that they didnt even mention tablets. Then it started to make sense.
1, this was a samsung and google event. It was supposed to highlight ICS and samsung's latest and greatest hardware. Showing a prototype Xoom would have taken away from samsung and you cant do that.
2, this was also google's opportunity to counter iOS 5. Sorta phone vs. phone. Ipad 3 is on the horizon and why would Google show their cards this early in the game. ICS is ready for tablets but I'm sure there will be a more advanced version released in a few months (around the time Ipad3 shows up) that will add new features.

I'm tired of "journalists" who write articles full of speculation and opinion and then arrive at some concrete 'conclusion' based on nothing but whatever thoughts flitted between their ears. Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like the vast majority of "technology journalists" are brain-dead iJobs fanboys looking to grind an axe and make Android as unattractive to the masses as they possibly can. It's like they're all part of some out-of-control confirmation bias machine, seeking to stroke each other's ego for their intelligence and good taste in selecting the latest iToy.
Unrelated: my wife who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem was ready to throw her iPhone 4 against a wall last night when she realised that editing a contact record is disabled by default on iOS 5. Seriously, she had to dive into phone settings to enable the ability to add a phone number to an existing contact. WTF.
(please excuse my mini-rant, I have a cold and am medicating with a cocktail of OTC goodness)
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what's a tablet?
What's a tablet? Is a 5" screen device a tablet? Like for example the galaxy note? Is the Nexus Prime a bit of a tablet? No, maybe? The Galaxy Note with it's 5"+ screen is definitely almost a tablet. It has a split screen design of the software when turning the device in landscape. So it is running definitely tablet like software.
The boundary between tablets and phones isn't clear cut. And in the future the boundary will become more vague. For Android that is. That's why they focused with ICS on a sort of OS that will run on both "tablets" and "phones". From that perspective one can say that tablets are equally well supported as phones.
Here's an interesting interview with Rubin http://allthingsd.com/20111019/andy-rubin-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ In it Androids position on tablets is very clearly explained. They just want to make an OS that supports all screensizes. (Btw Rubin says they sold 6 million tablets.. that's like 100% more than what the CNN article says)
I don't necessarily agree with Rubin's position on this, but at least it is a interesting one Again, what's a tablet anyway for a mobile operating system? A phone with a big screen? (Without calling abilities)
The strategy seems that Google is leaving it to hardware manufacturers if they want to support tablets. The software is ready for it.
My only question with this strategy is if Google can trigger developers enough to make specific outstanding tablet software. They expect developers to target all screensizes. And with the new ICS this is possible and easy. So that's okay. Nevertheless, for a developer who only wants to target the tablet because his design only fits on a tablet this won't work. Either s/he has to make a poor small screen implementation of his software or s/he sticks to a tablet only version. But the last decision will only work if they make a clear cut separation on the Android market. But then they have to make a separation after all.....

Croak said:
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference
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I agree with this part...and that's why we ended up with betas

I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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In my experience, most well written apps already scale quite well the way you want already. However, it's really up to the devs because some of them may want to make a bit more money by having two separate apps (a phone one and a tablet / HD one).

Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"

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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
The new Android market does provide recommendations specifically for tablets though.

True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
best example angry birds.
Its perfectly playable on android phones and tablets and most importantly we have it for free or 99p/$
on iDevices you pay for the same app twice just so it looks a little bit better on the iPad than iPhone.
If you think about it. If Apple releases new iPad with higher resolution all iBoys will have to buy the app again..
I think best example of how Android market (and apps) should be is by looking at apps like Flixter or IMDB

Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
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AFAIK, Apple leaves it up to the developer -- there are several apps which you can buy once and they will work on both the iPad and iPhone at the appropriate resolution for each device (the ones with the '+' sign indicated). However, there are developers who would rather make you buy two different versions instead.
So I don't know if it's fair to blame Apple (or Google) for separate tablet / phone apps. However, Google is to be blamed for not making it easy to determine which apps will function correctly on tablets (and quite a few don't).
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Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that you love and is not present on the tablet?

All the hating

Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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So which Note cons do the iPhone cover? Can't think of any myself.
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Well for instance app availability before android market,maybe not that noticable,but still. And having two different OS's.good enough for me
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I posted this in another thread but its perfectly relevant here as well:
I've noticed an interesting phenomenon occuring on both the Android and Apple side:
1. Someone points out that x feature is missing from one platform, in terms of hardware or software
2. The people on the bandwagon ***** that person out, telling them to switch platforms or just shut up. Often they will say "We don't need X feature, which is why we don't have it." or "Go do this lengthy process to get X feature kinda sorta implemented if you want X feature".
3. Rinse and repeat.
Now this is very general and doesn't always happen but it's something we need to be aware of. As someone studying business and software, it's been beat into my head that there is only one true way to succeed when this situation happens - engineer it into the product and make it BETTER than the competitor.
So, instead of trolling or *****ing people out, I believe the correct procedure is to identify what features and benefits the competitor has and start working on engineering them into our platform in such a way that it is both better than the competitor's and it fits well with our current platform. We can always do better, and taking ideas from a competitor in this way is not in any way stealing - as long as you do not directly copy and change it significantly it's okay (see the paraphrasing versus plagiarizing arguement in education for a good example). And I'm not just talking about Apple here, I'm talking about any competitor.
If we put our energy towards making the platforms and apps better, rather than arguing or otherwise getting getting political/fanboyish, then everyone wins. People on our platform get that new feature, and the other platform has to step up their game so the people on the other platform either get the same feature or some other new feature. This is the basis of constructive competition that drives our economy.
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mainly because whatever the person has then its the best and everything else is rubbish, its the mentality of people
android users rubbish every other os especially ios and vice versa

Liquid Nitrogen, very well said. Agree 100 %.

can't really be ignored that FANBOYISM is rampant in some if not most forums that talk about this and that...

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Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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Compared to many forums, this forum is surprisingly civil.
Haters will always be hating though.

dzhankijs said:
Im talking about the hate between different platforms Os etc just get what you like and thats it! I own galaxy note and an iphone 4s and i think that both phones cover up for each other one's pros and cons. No matter is it about the phone itself or apps or something else! But then again it is just my opinion
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Totally agree with u as i use all 3 platforms-Android, iOS n Symbian-and find each one suited for specific purposes.
But one particular platform will appear as the best for one particular user based on user preferences.For me,its Android.But that doesnt conclude that its better than iOS in each n every aspect.
I find it rather silly when people fight ferociously trying to establish that one particular platform is the best...

Exactly I use 3 OSes too. And there are pros and cons. Symbian is good at how each app can be assigned different network, that means email can be given cellular net and data hungry apps can be given wifi. So at a given time, both connection can be active which neither iOS nor Android can do.
One interesting feature of iOS allows syncing of different Exchange Contacts folder which I still couldn't do with Android. iOS is easyphone (vs geekphone) and I always recommend this to my gf, mom, aunt etc.
Android is like - if you can dream a feature then that is already there.

I don't particularly hate the iphone, I owned 2. It's a personal preference thing for me. For me it's the openness and personalization. I do hate apple as a company. They are a bunch of cry babies and if they can't beat someone then they sue them. They have more lawsuits going than anyone right now. Them aholes are even suing Kodak who is freaking bankrupt! They buy patents for the sole purpose of filing a lawsuit.
They are sore losers and would rather sue and buy a patent than come up with their own ideas
From the big ole Note

So I get that all platforms are useful. But WHAT is the deal with the lame press reviews on the NOTE. These kind of fanboy issues grow because of the uneven press given by supposedly people who care about and discuss innovation. Yet they discount the Note and are fine with constantly using a made up marketing term like Retina Display ( I am the Dir of a Cog Sci university program and I know that has nothing to do with the science) even though it means nothing. Samsung truly innovated with the Note, but gets no credit. Google seems to try hard to stick with their "do not evil" mantra (left CHina, backs alt energy, supports open and Mozilla, ...) while Apple now trumps 1980s MS for evilness, yet again they get treated the same there. If everything was more fair, you would see less fanboyism, although there would always be some, it is in our genes.
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So I get that all platforms are useful. But WHAT is the deal with the lame press reviews on the NOTE. These kind of fanboy issues grow because of the uneven press given by supposedly people who care about and discuss innovation. Yet they discount the Note and are fine with constantly using a made up marketing term like Retina Display ( I am the Dir of a Cog Sci university program and I know that has nothing to do with the science) even though it means nothing. Samsung truly innovated with the Note, but gets no credit. Google seems to try hard to stick with their "do not evil" mantra (left CHina, backs alt energy, supports open and Mozilla, ...) while Apple now trumps 1980s MS for evilness, yet again they get treated the same there. If everything was more fair, you would see less fanboyism, although there would always be some, it is in our genes.

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So which Note cons do the iPhone cover? Can't think of any myself.
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I own both of these as well.
Outlook syncing with iOS makes android look sick, it is sick, because Google want you to give THEM all your personal data, this "open" OS is not as open as some would have you believe, especially when it comes to choosing what to connect to for PIM.
All the 3rd party software for Android syncing [plus Kies and HTC sync] is utter rubbish, including very expensive software like Companionlink/deja.
Android has some pretty substantial high's, especially the Note with it's stylus and large screen, but it sucks balls as much as any other android device I've had for basic PIM without Google
Everything has pro's and con's, even the Note

The real problem with Iphone/Apple products is the cost is more, the features are not any better, both Samsung and Apple are about the same in quality but the App costs are WAY higher on a Apple App store compared to Android store. That and the lack of control (being locked out of something I own) of the phone.
The bottom line I advise ppl I know....... If you want an out of the box phone that you will never change never customize and are willing to buy off the shelf in the box apps....... and that...... will satisfy your every need for the phone........get an I phone......
..... BUT....... if you want to pay less and want to customize and have real control over the item YOU bought.............. get an Android.
I think paying retail plus•90% is unnecessary but then....... like my father used to say........ Never underestimate the power of stupidity!!!....... and those that think paying more for less is ok then stay with Apple......... But I do have to say Apple is fantastic at marketing........ they really Are !!!

My "problem" with iPhone fans is their arguments.
Android is so hard to use, Android is so sluggish, there are more apps in AppStore (but not a single example of ONE app that is missing from Play - i.e not existing on the Android platform) or bragging about the fantastic quality of the iPhone.
Unfortunately, I have not heard any good arguments for the iPhone since 2007. Just those "arguments" that is like a parody.

I agree. I Google app #s the other week and android just passed half a million apps in Google market. Where iphone is barely ahead with just over 600k so the whole app argument is lame and not true!
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SNES vs Genesis, anyone?
There's nothing wrong with most current mobile devices that bigger batteries or a decent bluetooth keyboard case wouldn't fix. The rest is time better spent on tuning our chosen products to whatever esoteric tastes suit us.

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SNES vs Genesis, anyone?
There's nothing wrong with most current mobile devices that bigger batteries or a decent bluetooth keyboard case wouldn't fix. The rest is time better spent on tuning our chosen products to whatever esoteric tastes suit us.
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Dream on! Only Android can be tuned at all.
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i find it kind of funny that everyone will go back and forth about the i phone and the android but the windows phones don't even come up in this i guess wether u like i phone or android u have one thing in commin nobody really wants a windows phone

I have a Note and an iPhone 4S. They are both excellent but different.
Buy an iPhone to have iTunes, iCloud and have everything just sync, iTunes as a central point to manage your media, the 4S has a better camera and audio quality, in a manageable screen size.
Buy a Note to have a different hardware form factor. A screen that makes everything sexy. Lots of customisable options. A unique device and well put together.
The classic take. The Apps and Games. On Apps the field between android and iOS is closer. Sometimes it goes to Apple, other times to Android. Think of Apps with widgets and there own shop store. Games goes to Apple. The Note needs more developers to write better made games for the Note.

i noticed one thing about apple fanboys

ok guys lol dont really want this to become a rant but its pushing itself that way. anyone notice when u try to have a valid debate about features or capabilities with a apple fan boy it always goes like this,
appleboy: yeah but the ipads got things android cant do like .....video editing,
androidboy: the androids actually got that from stock plus a whole load of imaging apps that came with the tab, I dont have to buy extra software.
appleboy: yeah but ours is better! pinch to zoom!!112!! haha
(android waits patiently)
androidboy: thats your arguement? but in fact the android system will run the......appleboy blurts in: NO NO NO IOS IOS IOS NO NO I HAVE EMAIL TOO..funz >)
anyone ever notice how androids will have a calm actual debate, apple's just blurt insane immature crap that shows most of them dont know feck all about using a computer?
tried telling them about open-source......between the two of them they somehow worked out that the IPAD was the more advanced device then the a500., from these "reasons"
in the youtube app you can move your finger to change volume......really?!
apparently some ipad users think the fact its harder to fully unlock a ipad for development, so that must mean its a more advanced device.....?
you can use a usb cable to add accessories....
tried showing em i have a usb port no need to carry a cable, and i can use most windows accessories keyboard,mice,external hard-drive,etc etc but nope apparently adding 1 usb keyboard....is somehow better then adding a keyboard as well as mouse, exterhd,dvd-drive. etc etc....????
i tried telling them about the specs side by side, and how my android mobile "phone" not even my best device (the tab is)
1.has more processing power then the ipad,.
2.better camera front and back
3.other features are basically matching (gps bluetooth wifi,....etc)
4. more configurable
5. same ram
but mine was half the price of your tab and phone..
they just dont get it, im saying to him look mate if you went to pc world and had
1 computer that was complete rubbish low speed, low ram,. windows 95
costs £20000^^
1 computer that has 3ghz high speed quad-core , 4gb ram, windows 7, dvd drive, usb ports, bigger screen, fully outwards compatible "usb play n go keyboard mice, bluetooth, gps etc"
costs £750^^
what would you buy? lol its not a hard one is it, im trying to show, look ios could have been THE best pads and phones,,,,if apple didnt own them and you got the full bang in your buck, i mean if they had ipad with the spec's of an android with the price tag of an android and open source,. android probably would even have gotten as far as it has today but that's good old apple business techniques for ya eh?
to be honest what im trying to say is you can tell a hundred things that are very worth having to a apple fanboy and they will say the ipads better because,
A. YA ITZ GoT LiKe slide volume oN yuTUbe....SO dARRR iPaDZ bEtteR !
b. tHErs Must HAve APPPPP for ThAt And iTSR bETTer Dan URS even THou I neSER SEEN, heard, Or UUsed SuCH app. IOS IS KEWlz
can anyone actually tell me an advantage the ios has? like what things can it actually do we cant?

in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.

chismay said:
in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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*crickets* *crickets*

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*crickets* *crickets*
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.

Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.

Anthony820 said:
Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you add a single track now? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you cant just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol

chismay said:
nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you ass a single track ? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you can't just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating

gears177 said:
i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating
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in no way causing arguments matey, im trying to approach the question without prejudiced, i am at heart an android, ive had an apple i had one of the gen1 i-phones, and the thing never stopped frezzing and rebooting, never had a signal, etc.
i know android can run terribly if not implemented properly by the developer, force closes wifi problems gps problems, but this is the USUAL cost when using a customization based open source system, when applied to that much diversity you would have to be stupid to think you wont run into errors. <--not directed at anyone, just generally.
example i have to calculators
one adds 2 numbers thats it,
the second has wifi, a 3ghz proc' 1 gb ram, hd video playback a camera and bluetooth and a projector on the back the maker also says you can make any application you want for YOUR device, its open for you to change what you want for how you like........im expecting some errors here n there. lol
the thing is if thats the view of point you arrive from decides if everyone having the same devices is either a good thing or a bad thing.......or should we say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAD thing lol
lets continue,
edit: wow this thread got 150 views over night? please guys participate but this is not a thread for ranting more of actually facing facts from both sides and submitting your input to what makes which os more functional / better performing etc etc and what features are more for you.

I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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chismay said:
yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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haha yes i forget about this one XD tho cost is to high for what there asking for

Did any of you guys read this interview with Steve Wozniak?
Sorry, I can't post the link to the full interview (long time lurker, first time poster). Just google for 'Woz on Android'.
Basically he loves the iPhone for the design and loves Android for what it can do!
Below is an excerpt of that interview. For me that says it all!
But Woz says he still recommends the iPhone as the best choice for most users. “The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it’s so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he says.
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MO3iusONE said:
I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ

the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!

LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related

kylereid said:
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
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thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?

chismay said:
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
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Really? Your gonna bring up an app that was released four years ago and that was pulled Immediately by Apple? Your a funny guy. You know it's bad when it's recommend to install some kind of anti virus software for your phone. I don't want to start arguing but the proof is in the pudding, ios has more apps, a wider selection and overall better apps, even if you have to pay for them.
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chismay said:
those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
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I agree with the whole ring tone, buying a song off itunes is one thing but not being able to set it as a ring tone is just plain obsurd.. Who knows maybe they'll offer it as a feature in one of their updates ha ha ha ha.. I also don't like how finicky the iphone is when it comes to trying to play videos on it... With my galaxy s3 I just drag and drop and it plays pretty much any video format I have.
I thought both the iphone and ipad were priced decently. My galaxy s3 cost just as much as an iphone4.. I mean how much was a motorola xoom when it came out? Roughly the same amount as an ipad think.
I'm really not trying to argue, we can go back and forth all day, iphone had reception issues, a few of the nexus line of phones has screen issues, it happens.. Although people seem to be a bit more harsh when it's apple.. I remember I had an HTC evo, phone worked fine but the software had a bug.. there was a known android bug where I would click on a text but it would send me to a different contact, me unknowingly would shoot out the text and by the time I realized someone else had gotten the text... It was too late.. I had a lot of embarrassing moments because of this. I know apple had that one clock bug where it didn't update to daylights savings time... Everybody has problems..no company's is perfect... I don't know what I'm getting with this really, I'm a neutral guy. I use both os's, they both have their pros and cons... That's all I gotta say.
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chismay said:
thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
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agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol

Moscow Desire said:
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And there's an APP for that too!

kylereid said:
agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
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i read somewhere that the reason why iOS had such great dj'ing and music apps is sound processing. nobody can deny ipods have the greatest sound, better than any portable music player. apple took that and added it to the pads and phones. dunno if it's a software or hardware thing, but it's there. with jellybean now out i thought that might change a bit but i have not seen anything about it yet.
btw some Apple fanboys that i know are actually happy that Google fixed the fragmentation and wrote the gpu code from scratch. as another user said in earlier post, the OSes are paired in performance now.
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