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Any news about FroYo

FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...

faraz1992 said:
FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/exclusive-android-froyo-to-take-a-serious-shot-at-stemming-plat/
Exclusive: Android Froyo to take a serious shot at stemming platform fragmentation
By Chris Ziegler posted Mar 29th 2010 11:16AM
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We had a couple people at CTIA last week -- people whose words carry weight -- tell us off the record that the next major version of Android would take big strides toward stopping the ugly trend toward severe fragmentation that has plagued the platform for much of this and last year. You know, the kind of fragmentation that has already left users running not one, not two, not three, but four distinct versions of the little green guy (1.5, 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1) depending on a seemingly arbitrary formula of hardware, carrier, region, software customization, and manufacturers' ability to push updates in a timely fashion. Put simply, Google's been iterating the core far faster than most of its partners have been able to keep up.
Thing is, in light of our CTIA conversations, we didn't have an idea of how Google planned on fixing this -- until now. We've been given reason to believe that the company will start by decoupling many of Android's standard applications and components from the platform's core and making them downloadable and updatable through the Market, much the same as they've already done with Maps. In all likelihood, this process will take place over two major Android versions, starting with Froyo and continuing through Gingerbread. Notice that we said apps and components, meaning that some core elements of Android -- input methods, for instance -- should get this treatment. This way, just because Google rolls out an awesome new browser doesn't mean you need to wait for HTC, Samsung, or whomever made your phone to roll it into a firmware update, and for your carrier to approve it -- almost all of the juicy user-facing stuff will happen through the Market.
The second part of this doubled-edged attack on platform fragmentation comes from a simple reality: we're hearing that Google may be nearing the end of its breakneck development pace on Android's core and shifting attention to apps and features. By the time we get to Froyo, the underlying platform -- and the API that devs need to target -- will be reaching legitimate maturity for the first time, which means we should have far fewer tasty treat-themed code names to worry about over the course of an average year. We like awesome new software as much as the next guy, but Google's been moving so fast lately that they've created a near constant culture of obsolescence anxiety among the hardcore user base -- and in turn, that leads to paralysis at the sales counter.
How much of this strategy actually materializes -- and how effective it is at changing the direction of the platform at large -- remains to be seen, but it sounds like a promising turn of events. Considering it's been a solid five months since the Eclair SDK premiered, that's an eternity in Google years; time to shake things up a bit, we reckon.
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I the defragmentation is a great idea though it doesnt really affect me too much. Any news about new features and software fixes that may be included in froyo?
Also is there any word on smaller, sooner updates for fixes or features or are we certain that froyo will be the next ota? I've had no success searching with Google. Thanks

Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...

It seems likely the JIT will finally ship
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/jit-compiler-androids-dalvik-vm.html
Early/leaked/(faked?) benchmarks show significant performance boosts across the board.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)

faraz1992 said:
Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...
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One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed.
This is sort of the same boat Apple is in now..Android can now say "we do pinch zoom" so a big Apple + is now gone.
mafaesto said:
Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)
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Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.

Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...

@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)

xManMythLegend said:
One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
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How about free VoiP calls forever?
http://lifehacker.com/5512444/google-voice-desktop-client-could-be-on-the-way

xManMythLegend said:
Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.
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Im not sure it needs "great" refinements. It just needs refinement period. All those little things like not being able to adjust the font size in messaging add up. My guess is they will fix some of these things and while individually they are just little niggles, cumulatively they add up to a weaker user experience. The iphone has had hardware weaknesses for years and did at introduction but the user experience has been quite good and handsets moved off the shelf.
I have to agree that if there was anything revolutionary would would have got a whiff of it by now. My guess is however they do plug/fix/remove a whole bunch of those little niggles and this is a good thing that in total should improve the experience for the end user. The hardware aspect on the iphone appears more catch up than leap frog to me.
Proper outlook integration is a fundamental flaw in android for business users. Proper and complete syncing of outlook, both exchange and direct to desktop outlook, should be built in. I understand that google wants to lock users into their services but outlook is pretty much a standard and near ubiquitous. The lack of this one thing will lock out a large number of users at least in the near term foreseeable future. It is my hope they add this in at some point and the sooner the better.

Eclair~ said:
Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...
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check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660334

mafaesto said:
@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)
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No need for apology
Landscape just got interesting. Im really curious how this freindly face slapping will effect us in the next few months and beyond.

xManMythLegend said:
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IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed...
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Android boasting they can play flash is not a OS upgrade in the least and is not something android should boast about, this is simple software. I believe froyo is going to be actual changes to the os which will bring a slightly different experience.
As for the hardware, by the time the Nexus 2 is ready to be released qualcomm would have completed their 1.3 and the dual 1.5 processors. The Nexus 2 will probably incorporate one of these.

No one mentioned the included Portable App Engine. Also should come with Duke Nukem Legend I hear

Couple things:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
For a majority of average users, this will probably be enough. But it's not perfect multi-tasking. It's Apple's attempt to reduce the disadvantages of multi-tasking for non-techie people (apps consuming lots of CPU cycles, battery life destruction).
Second of all, there will still be no widgets which, in my opinion, is one of the primary draws for me towards Android and away from my iPhone.
Third, there will still be the major stumbling block of Apple not allowing true system integration of apps. For instance, they will never allow Google Voice apps (if they allow them in the store at all) to take over the native dialer. You still can't have a Gmail app that is charged with being the default system email app. Without things like this, there's still going to be a fundamental disconnect when customizing the system, and a substantial reason for developers to code for the Android platform.
Fourth, Apple's tight integration of hardware and software mean that, no matter what, people who want choices in their phone's hardware are going to go with Android. If I want a small, metal, unibody phone - Android has one. If I want a big ol' touchscreen and fast processor - Android has one. If I want a physical keyboard - yep, that's Android.
I don't see iPhone OS4 or the new hardware as going to keep me on the iPhone platform. Right now I'm being particularly budget-conscious, so I'm not switching immediately, but there are still a lot of advantages to the Android platform other than "multi-tasking."

binary visions said:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
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Hmm, I wonder which other mobile OS does that...

But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?

cymru said:
But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?
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The iPhone OS already loads the browser in the background.

iPhone vs Android

Not a flame thread... I promise.
I've never had an iPhone, but I have a few friends that do. Every time I ask them if their phone can do this or that, it seems that it can. Has the gap closed significantly? Is there anything an Android phone can do that an iPhone can't? Or vice versa?
For the record, I'm not a ringleader of the holy war against iPhones. I mean, I think they are pretty decent phones. Of course, I do like the Android phones.. a lot. But I don't see myself switching to an iPhone any time soon.
So, keep the flames down and just list the facts.
The only two differences that I really know of is 1) Android is on all of the US carriers, where iPhone is AT&T only; and 2) it is much easier and friendlier in the rooting of the device for Android phones (that is, carriers and manufacturers don't care).

You only touched the tip of the iceberg with the "rooting" part. Take a look in the Dev section of the forum and you'll see why Android totally owns iOS. This is the main reason I chose Android. If this was an iPhone forum that whole sub-forum wouldn't exist. The only thing iOS has is apps.
Plus (until recently) iPhones were stuck with crappy screen resolution: 320x480 while many Android phones had screens at 480x800. The Android OS isn't restricted to just one piece of hardware so we get many manufacturers competing against each other. When companies compete the consumer wins. The only thing iPhone competes against is the previous iPhone model. If Apple releases a new iPhone it only needs to be marginally better than the previous model for people to buy it.
I used to be an Apple fan-boy. I had an iPod, bought the 17" MacBook Pro when it was released, had an iPhone, all that stuff. And while I still respect Apple for pushing cutting-edge technology, there is no way a single company can release cutting-edge products as fast as multiple other companies combined.

Not to mention that Android is capable of using widgets. As well as a more "open" market for applications compared to Apple's review process before a application gets published. However, it is up to the user's responsibilities to take a look at what permissions the app is asking for. But if you're tech savvy enough, this shouldn't be a problem and there aren't many applications that are malicious.
The most significant difference is that Android has A LOT more customzation compared to iOS. The iOS is so limited on customization where Android we can change just about everything: the virtual keyboard, home screen, app drawer, and just pretty much everything.

to be honest with you, you can't go wrong with either phone. i have to say, iphone4 is a great piece of hardware and apple, like Samsung knows a lil something about design. good luck.

no comments in other things but when i hold my dads iphone 3gs, it feels like too small... and fat.. I mean, the display looks small compared to my vibrant

well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.

boodies said:
like Samsung knows a lil something about design. good luck.
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LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world

rogerchew said:
well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.
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Sure, with the exception of the lack of widgets on the iPhone, as well as Live Wallpapers.
The Android desktop is like the desktop on your PC
The Apple iOS 'desktop' is like your start menu

rogerchew said:
well in terms of customization, i know a jail broken iphone or ("rooted android") phone can also get the customizations that aren't available out of the box. So in that regard, I would have to say both are just as customizable.
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iOS Customization is no where close to as diverse to Android. iOS you can jailbreak it, however the UI still stays generally the same. For android, your able to create completely new interfaces (ie: different launchers/home screens) iOS you can sorta do something similar with designing templates w/ blank icons and such but it still isn't the same and is a rather stupid way of going about it. Android has the ability to customize down to the system level, which is why i see it as a superior OS.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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Which device are you talking about?

Apple's main appeal to consumers is sleekness. The iPhone is a sleek looking piece of hardware that bedazzles the average person (i.e. retard). When I go around a college campus and see every person with a 13 inch Mac Book that was $1500+ I have to laugh. If it was not for the sleek presentation and general "coolness" of the brand they would not be able to get away with half the crap they pull.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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nothing a bumper can't fix LMAO

SeanFloyd said:
a 13 inch Mac Book that was $1500+
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Off-topic:
??? Seriously ???
The 90's called they want their inaccurate arguments back.

This is America, exaggeration is perfectly legal!

well when talking about the two, you have to understand the iPhone is a piece of hardware and software and Android is software...
the iPhone and the Vibrant are generally the same in terms of hardware... however the Vibrant has some huge advantages in having an expandable memory and replaceable battery.
iOS is much more limited than Android in terms of customization, but also has an advantage as it works perfectly with the hardware.
in my opinion, the iPhone is a much more user friendly device whereas Android devices are more exciting and feature filled.

nearblack said:
well when talking about the two, you have to understand the iPhone is a piece of hardware and software and Android is software...
the iPhone and the Vibrant are generally the same in terms of hardware... however the Vibrant has some huge advantages in having an expandable memory and replaceable battery.
iOS is much more limited than Android in terms of customization, but also has an advantage as it works perfectly with the software.
in my opinion, the iPhone is a much more user friendly device whereas Android devices are more exciting and feature filled.
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I think this sums it up perfectly. The other thing is that if you don't plan on utilizing the potential of Android the difference between the two is even smaller and comes down to stock features (like- do you want a FFC or removeable storage? Tmobile or ATT?). If you plan on rooting Android will far and away kill the iphone in terms of customization and extra features.
I love my macbook but there is no way I'd get an iphone with a sweet phone like the Vibrant running Android as my other choice.

s15274n said:
LOL.... tell that to all the left handed people of the world
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cell phone companies don't care about freaks.

This is so much more interesting than I thought it would. before I posted this, I thought the answers would be "Android has such-and-such app" where iPhone could never do this (or vice versa) and here's why.
Rooting and tinkering are what I love to do, and when I bought my G1 on day one, I honestly did not realize that rooting would even be an option. I just somehow knew that Android was going to be the way to go. I kinda lucked out on the fact that we can root our phones. Without root, then these are good phones. Add root, and you have an awesome phone.
You know how sometimes you look at a really interesting photograph and you know it is interesting, but you don't know why it is interesting? And then you take a class in photography and you learn why that photograph was interesting--composition, lighting, etc? Well, now I know why I love my phone.
Bottom line is, I guess people who just want a phone to work, and not have to do anything, or deal with small, annoying "issues", then the iPhone may be a better way to go. But you have to realize that iPhone will never be the best HW/SW out there any more. I think Android will always have the edge now, due to all the competition. So if you are an above average user, or an advanced user, then the choice is easy: Android.

Android definitely does more, you just have to go out of your way to figure it all out (which is why we are all here). IPhone makes doing cool stuff more easily accessible (which works for the masses that just want a sweet phone that does sweet stuff outta the box), but the level of customization is nowhere near android. I've told my diehard iPhone friends if they were to just use an android phone for a month, they would switch. The only credit I give to the iPhone is the sick lineup of games. Android pretty much blows in that department.
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Android definitely does more, you just have to go out of your way to figure it all out (which is why we are all here). IPhone makes doing cool stuff more easily accessible (which works for the masses that just want a sweet phone that does sweet stuff outta the box), but the level of customization is nowhere near android. I've told my diehard iPhone friends if they were to just use an android phone for a month, they would switch. The only credit I give to the iPhone is the sick lineup of games. Android pretty much blows in that department.
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It'll start to catch up, Gameloft games are available on Android but the way that they deliver their games are terrible especially for people who root their phones and things of that sort. I just wish they would offer their games on the market.
But to an extent, you're totally right.. I hope that game developers will move on the Android platform and take advantage of the hardware that is always improving and improving on Android whereas Apple releases new hardware for their phone once per year.

An observation and an opinion on the state of Android

Well, I was sitting at my desk and opened iTunes to start a song and the app store popped up, a list of games caught my eye(Real Racing 2,Battelfield Bad Company, Chaos Rings) so I clicked on the games tab....first, I have never even looked at the app store before now....I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE LIBRARY OF GAMES, really has anyone ever looked at what is available for iCrap users!?
To be honest I am considering grabbing a 4th gen ipod touch(if I can get one cheap enough) just to play some decent mobile games, it is just crazy that these companies(ALOT of the developers also develop on Android) havent released these titles for Android, I am a little peeved that we don't have some of these titles, I mean if the an iphone 3 can play Madden/Chaos Rings/Tomb Raider then our Evos are more than capable of running them. Well, I haven't gone on a rant on here in a while so I guess I'm done now, but seriously.....THESE COMPANIES NEED TO PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR COLLECTIVE ASS, ANDROID HOLDS SOMETHING LIKE A 48% SHARE OF "SMARTPHONES" IN THE USA RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WANT MY MONEY THEN ITS TIME TO COME AND PLAY WITH GOOD OL' ANDY THE ANDROID
There, now I'm done

honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.

and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.

it may just be me (don't yell at me, just my observation)
my 2nd gen ipod plays games way better than my Evo. i agree we need more quality games on android but it won't happen until the hardware improves.
the chip in my Shift seems to do ok, and with the new dual core phones coming it will only get better. i think once the number of devices out in the wild are capable of playing them, the developers will start writing more games for the platform.
one advantage to the iphone/ipod i guess is you know when you develop for one it will run on all of them (3rd gen up of course, which most people have) where as android is (i hate to use this term, again, don't yell at me) fragmented (hardware wise) some phones are just flat out not capable of gaming, and they know if they release games into the market, there will be people who don't read the requirments and then flip out when it doesn't run on their first gen G1.

dills2214 said:
and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.
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Ding ding ding.
Android has done in one year, almost, what Apple has done in approaching four years.
People need to relax with the now now now attitude.
I mean jesus, at this rate it won't be long before Android passes the Istore.

T3hPWN said:
honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
i<3android

Mr. Monkey said:
Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
i<3android
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They will and then they will likely surpass it.
Just takes time and Google needs to improve the android system to support games including full hardware acceleration.
I think that people just expect way too much, even after the last year.
Think about it.
The last year was ridiculous for Android.
If you said a year ago that Android would have such a large percentage of the smart phone market share... or that it's Market would be closing in on the size of Apple [what is it 200,000 to 300,000 now?] people would call you crazy.
The amount of growth in the last year has just been ridiculous.
Of course, we can only hope for growth of that nature to continue but realistically, it wasn't even seen as possible last year.
We can hope for more apps and more improvements, as it benefits all Android users, but let's also not take for granted what has happened.

T3hPWN said:
honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind that the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but what they fail to realize is that a lot of these new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different from the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users bought very incapable low priced Android phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway. Android is surpassing the iPhone in sales largely because of these low priced phones but this will also lead it to becoming a less attractive platform for developers.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get developers (and especially game) committed to the platform.

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You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but they fail to realize that a lot of new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different to the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users have very incapable of phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get Game developers committed to the platform.
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Carrier billing does need to be added. across the board. [But being on one carrier for the last four years aids in have 100% carrier billing ]
But I'm not sure I fully agree with the rest of what you say.
Honestly, a lot of what you're saying is moreso true for a year ago than it is now.
-The "low end android phone" this year easily has the capabilities and hardware power of Iphone 3g or 3gs.
-Android "fragmentation" is a vastly over exaggerated point comparative to a year ago. http://www.androidcentral.com/sites...487/2011/01/thumb_550_AndroidOS_breakdown.PNG
Side note: do you have any data that proves, not just suggests, that android users buy apps less?
Android may have more users than iPhone now, but that has only been true for a little while.
So how fair is it to directly compare the two? [some kind of percentage comparison would be better]

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You bring up some good points.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
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Oh totally... because for an iPhone you have to be jailbroken to install an app not from the app store. Any android phone can side load a game. That's why it's so important not to pirate games.
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Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
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Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.

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Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.
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$1 million dollars a month from a silly game is pretty damned good.
Also, you're free to donate to any developer you want.

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I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for
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I can play Mortal Kombat 3, Legend Of Zelda:Link To The Past and Super Metroid. Do these count? Awesome games can be played on the EVO, you just have to know where to look BTW - I don't understand the fascination with hardcore gaming on a Phone. Even thou I have these games on my EVO, I have only played MK3, and that's just a few times. If I am at the Dentist (or comparable office), I just play Angry Birds or Jewel Lust just to pass the time. If I want to play a real mobile game I just bring my PSP or DSiXL with me. These games eat up the battery on a phone rather quickly.

Wow, for a little rant we seem to have good info and opinions here
Great points all around, I do realize how young the platform is and I also realize we have hardware/software fragmentation issues, I know we are getting there it was just a bit frustrating to see that this morning(think it was the coffee kicking in). It was said that Android users aren't the best of consumers at times, and I agree, BUT I can say that since I became an Android user and involved with XDA I have come to appreciate the value of software releases(game or app or LWP), I now know what goes into them and I honestly don't mind paying. Well, again great points made by everyone, one last thing... I have been following CES pretty close this year and with the hardware being stepped up exponentially by manufacturers and Google still churning out better and better software I gotta say I see 2011 being a good year for us

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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
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While I agree with you that games are way better on the iphone/ipod, I have to say that when I found out that Doodle Jump was available on Android, I knew it was okay to get the Evo. I think that was the first step. Angry Birds is the second step. The third step would be to allow Android phones to play Scrabble with iPhones (with the iPad as the Scrabble board).
Also, iphone users like my Alchemy and Alchemy Classic games but they can't play them.

Another article by ifan in mashable

www.mashable.com/2012/01/27/ipad-two-years-later/
Android is the leading platform on mobile. But on the tablet, the number of optimized apps are still extremely low. I’d be surprised if there were as many tablet-specific apps for Android now as there were for the iPad at its launch....
Over the last two years, plenty of so-called “iPad Killers” have entered the market. Very few found success.
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Now they're lying right thru their teeth. No shame at all.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.

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Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.
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Hate to burst YOUR bubble but, most iPad apps were just zoomed in iPhone apps for quite awhile. It takes awhile for developers to embrace a new platform. Im hoping that the merging of phone and tablet OS's with ICS fix most of the developer qualms with android. I personally see android tablets becoming more popular than the iPad in just a couple years. Just MHO

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Hate to burst your bubble, but I agree with him. Many of the apps I use are just zoomed in 2.3 apps. We need more Honeycomb/tablet optimized apps.
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Look at the sentence that I quoted again. Are you telling me that by now the number of tablet optimized apps in android market is not as many as the number of tablet optimized apps in apple appstore when they first launched the ipad 2 years ago? Again, read that sentence again.
And by the way, no tablet company has ever proclaimed their product was "an ipad killer". This was a term coined by ifanboys.

This is a good site..
https://www.mylookout.com/appgenome/
Some highlights..many more apps for sale on apple store, many more free apps on android
Android has exploded % wise, increasing number of apps by more % than apple, while app still has over twice as many apps in their market
Apple has 6 times as many developers contributing to their market because the profit factor on apple is much higher than android
Open source! FTW!
Android also isn't employing slave labor in china..well, at least not 700,000 slaves..that im aware of..just more reasons to love android.

The real issue between the two is not an issue of quality, fragmentation or applications. The real issue between the two tablets is price. Even if someone can afford an Ipad doesn't mean they will buy it. Seriously, who wants to throwdown seven hundred bones for a tablet with no expandable memory and limited customization? The applications will rectify themselves in time, they always do. Apple is like Mercedes. They make great computers,but like Mercedes people do not buy their cars to alter or customize them. That is the difference- nobody wants to hot rod a Mercedes!

I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.

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I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.
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The real question is why something that lacks those things is $700.....

Please, make me pay more money for a product that has fewer customizable options and lower quality hardware than it's android opposition! -every iphan..

This is just anti-apple circle jerking. I dont think this is a "discussion" of any sorts.
Honestly, as a Transformer owner, I ENVY the lack of tablet apps on Android. It may eventually be solved, but until then
Seeing facebook and twitter run blown up phone apps which arent easy to navigate on a tablet just plain SUCKS.
Yes the iPad may not be very customizable, no expansions and stuff but the apps there are really really high quality. Also an endless amount of selection of games.
It's sad that Android doesnt even have flipboard yet

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Look at the sentence that I quoted again. Are you telling me that by now the number of tablet optimized apps in android market is not as many as the number of tablet optimized apps in apple appstore when they first launched the ipad 2 years ago? Again, read that sentence again.
And by the way, no tablet company has ever proclaimed their product was "an ipad killer". This was a term coined by ifanboys.
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I remain on the fences in regards to the article. Android Market has roughly 62 tablet optimized apps, and App Brain seems to be closing in on 100 apps for tablets.
But if you are one to believe whatever you read, then I guess there is no way to sway your opinion. If you are one to do your own research and make up your own mind, then I think (in my opinion) you will be better off.

As android tablets take more and more of the market and replace even netbook pcs in the next few years there will be more tablet apps on the android market than there was on the apple market with similar age/market share. It seems that way anyway if the trends continue, especially as the android is seen as a developer's device, and ios devices are consumer level, there will always be more money in the apple store because they are geared to deep pocketed consumers to begin with, which in itself draw developers to want to put apps on the apple market. However you look at it though the two devices are not quite equals..more like similar devices.
Apples and oranges imo, in that they are both fruits and similarity really ends there.

-yawn- another nonsense article written by a clueless techie. It has all of the hallmarks. Totally ignore all of the Android devices that directly compete against the iPad and win? Check. Glorify the iPad as if it's the first tablet to have ever been created? Check. Shortsell the Android platform based on Honeycomb? Check. Compare the iPad to the Kindle Fire based on "an ecosystem"? Check.
If she thought Honeycomb was where Android should have caught up to iPad in terms of tablet compatible apps, she's naive. I should know, I've been to a Google sponsored event and I've seen just how hard these guys are trying with ICS (NOT HONEYCOMB) to stress best design practices and make all apps compatible between phones and tablets by stressing the use of classes like fragment and actionbar. Mark my words: ICS is where the phone/tablet apps will spring out and provided the app designers follow Google's tips and use the classes at their disposable, the apps will not only have stellar UI's that look good on tablets, they'll look good on phones too. Look at the G-Mail app on ICS and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Once this kind of development catches on it will steamroll apps on iOS and the chasm between phone and tablet apps will become much smaller. The hurdle is getting developers to learn these practices and adopt them on a wider scale and with Google directly helping developers by putting up training websites, I don't see this being a problem for long.

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The real question is why something that lacks those things is $700.....
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I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.
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So that they can upgrade the cameras on iPad3, and then add in an expandable memory in iPad3s (or iPad4). People lap up what Apple does and so Apple can get away with that ****. Their advertisement campaign is frakking admirable to be honest.
I think Android would kill Apple if they allowed the OnSkreen thing onto the OS. At the moment, Google is still waiting to see if people pick up on the fact that tablets are more than for consumption which is why they aren't picking up the OnSkreen thing since it seems like dumping money into waters that haven't shown their potential yet. It's stupid though, of course, since they could possibly be killing the competition by introducing it first..
(Maybe the projection thing will kill tablets before they become a thing and we'll have just have devices that can turn anything into a "touch screen" instead of tablets.)

i noticed one thing about apple fanboys

ok guys lol dont really want this to become a rant but its pushing itself that way. anyone notice when u try to have a valid debate about features or capabilities with a apple fan boy it always goes like this,
appleboy: yeah but the ipads got things android cant do like .....video editing,
androidboy: the androids actually got that from stock plus a whole load of imaging apps that came with the tab, I dont have to buy extra software.
appleboy: yeah but ours is better! pinch to zoom!!112!! haha
(android waits patiently)
androidboy: thats your arguement? but in fact the android system will run the......appleboy blurts in: NO NO NO IOS IOS IOS NO NO I HAVE EMAIL TOO..funz >)
anyone ever notice how androids will have a calm actual debate, apple's just blurt insane immature crap that shows most of them dont know feck all about using a computer?
tried telling them about open-source......between the two of them they somehow worked out that the IPAD was the more advanced device then the a500., from these "reasons"
in the youtube app you can move your finger to change volume......really?!
apparently some ipad users think the fact its harder to fully unlock a ipad for development, so that must mean its a more advanced device.....?
you can use a usb cable to add accessories....
tried showing em i have a usb port no need to carry a cable, and i can use most windows accessories keyboard,mice,external hard-drive,etc etc but nope apparently adding 1 usb keyboard....is somehow better then adding a keyboard as well as mouse, exterhd,dvd-drive. etc etc....????
i tried telling them about the specs side by side, and how my android mobile "phone" not even my best device (the tab is)
1.has more processing power then the ipad,.
2.better camera front and back
3.other features are basically matching (gps bluetooth wifi,....etc)
4. more configurable
5. same ram
but mine was half the price of your tab and phone..
they just dont get it, im saying to him look mate if you went to pc world and had
1 computer that was complete rubbish low speed, low ram,. windows 95
costs £20000^^
1 computer that has 3ghz high speed quad-core , 4gb ram, windows 7, dvd drive, usb ports, bigger screen, fully outwards compatible "usb play n go keyboard mice, bluetooth, gps etc"
costs £750^^
what would you buy? lol its not a hard one is it, im trying to show, look ios could have been THE best pads and phones,,,,if apple didnt own them and you got the full bang in your buck, i mean if they had ipad with the spec's of an android with the price tag of an android and open source,. android probably would even have gotten as far as it has today but that's good old apple business techniques for ya eh?
to be honest what im trying to say is you can tell a hundred things that are very worth having to a apple fanboy and they will say the ipads better because,
A. YA ITZ GoT LiKe slide volume oN yuTUbe....SO dARRR iPaDZ bEtteR !
b. tHErs Must HAve APPPPP for ThAt And iTSR bETTer Dan URS even THou I neSER SEEN, heard, Or UUsed SuCH app. IOS IS KEWlz
can anyone actually tell me an advantage the ios has? like what things can it actually do we cant?

in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.

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in fear of this becoming a hate thread im basically asking for the things that the ios does that android cannot.
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*crickets* *crickets*

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*crickets* *crickets*
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.

Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.

Anthony820 said:
Get more game developer support due to its much lower rate of app piracy.
Consistency in its UI across all its devices.
Consistency in its hardware making development somewhat easier in that the developers know exactly which devices will be supported and how well it will run -- see: the post in general of a guy complaining developers have seemingly abandoned tegra 2.
Not risking an app in the appstore spamming your notifications or doing other insanely annoying things.
A jailbreak and theming community that, while does allow piracy, also supports independent developers, fiscally, through official cydia repos.
Get the stupid "with friends" games long before Android does. How am I supposed to play matching with friends with my android friends!?!?
Have upteen thousand third party home appliances that support (the soon old) iOS docking port. My SONY surround sound system came with an iPhone dock, as did my Murano.
OS updates that rarely cause fragmentation. I don't know of any apps that will only run on IOS 5 and not 4, and after a upgrade, it's extremely rare to find an app that won't work on the new iOS natively. I've only ever run into it once, and that was with a very niche sound based game.
There. I've played devil's advocate for you. And done so from my CM10 Android tablet. And, of course, none of those were intended to spark an argument. I'm just articulating things that are more intelligent, I hope, rebuttals to your topic. Granted, there are many loaded adjectives in my statements, and things like "rarely" and "upteen thousand" are highly subjective.
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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you add a single track now? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you cant just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol

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nah thats all fair and well but open to debate it must be
i have no idea what "with friends" games are?
be honest though how many of those above really are good points?
updates that dont really improve your system, hardware that's cost is doubled.? and ol' fact of no singularity?
i-tunes? can you ass a single track ? are do you still need to re-upload a whole playlist? i still cannot get me head around the fact you can't just download an mp3 and set it as a ringtone on the i-phone,.lol
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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating

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i guess when it comes down t it there's pros and cons for both i mean for apple every device under 4.3.5 ios allows an exploit known as ssl MITM attack...plus the QuickTime pop ups that happen when an app wants to use gps and will crash the app most the time if you hit no are kind of annoying (not sure if that one is still there) But even the rooting/jail breaking part of it when an android user gains root he can flash new roms kernels gain su in terminal etc not really having to worry about malware apple on the other hand has a higher rate of malware on jailbrocken ipods.. last thing I'm going to say about apple is that there jail breaking methods exploit security holes that may also bee exploited for darker reasons, there was an example in the iphone pdf parser which allowed a document to execute code....
For android there are way higher rates of piracy unfortuently there's alot of cheapy tablets with almost no support the different kinds an sizes create huge compatabillity issues the OTA updates aren't always reliable or even where you live.....i guess that's all i have they both have pros and cons I'm just an android fanboy and can't stand apple products :laugh:
cheers i hope this doesn't cause arguments just wanted to add some more info and try not to play favorites while debating
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in no way causing arguments matey, im trying to approach the question without prejudiced, i am at heart an android, ive had an apple i had one of the gen1 i-phones, and the thing never stopped frezzing and rebooting, never had a signal, etc.
i know android can run terribly if not implemented properly by the developer, force closes wifi problems gps problems, but this is the USUAL cost when using a customization based open source system, when applied to that much diversity you would have to be stupid to think you wont run into errors. <--not directed at anyone, just generally.
example i have to calculators
one adds 2 numbers thats it,
the second has wifi, a 3ghz proc' 1 gb ram, hd video playback a camera and bluetooth and a projector on the back the maker also says you can make any application you want for YOUR device, its open for you to change what you want for how you like........im expecting some errors here n there. lol
the thing is if thats the view of point you arrive from decides if everyone having the same devices is either a good thing or a bad thing.......or should we say BAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAD thing lol
lets continue,
edit: wow this thread got 150 views over night? please guys participate but this is not a thread for ranting more of actually facing facts from both sides and submitting your input to what makes which os more functional / better performing etc etc and what features are more for you.

I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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yeah i think this is the confirmation i was after, this post had nearly 120 views in the first half hour. no can tell me something an apple can do that android cant,.
in the words of my main bitc* hatty-may pierce......baby the truth shall set you free.
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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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haha yes i forget about this one XD tho cost is to high for what there asking for

Did any of you guys read this interview with Steve Wozniak?
Sorry, I can't post the link to the full interview (long time lurker, first time poster). Just google for 'Woz on Android'.
Basically he loves the iPhone for the design and loves Android for what it can do!
Below is an excerpt of that interview. For me that says it all!
But Woz says he still recommends the iPhone as the best choice for most users. “The people I recommend the iPhone 4S for are the ones who are already in the Mac world, because it’s so compatible, and people who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he says.
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MO3iusONE said:
I think you are generalizing when it comes to this. I've met the worst fan boys when it comes to both android and apple. I actually recall this dude I knew jumping for joy when he found out Steve Jobs died...
Anyway I've used both, I used an iphone4 for about a year before switching back to android.
I feel that ios was way smoother (although now I'm using a galaxy s3, I can say android is on par with it) I miss the variety of apps that ios had to offer and android fan boys try to shoot back by saying android has more free apps but honestly, I'm willing to pay for apps if they're of quality.
I felt the music player was a tad bit better.. I've downloaded a game and for some reason all the audio files showed up on my music player on my DROID Pro(maybe it was something I did wrong?)
I actually felt like I got the most out of my iphone once I jail broke it. It was the little tweaks that I was able to do that really made the experience with ios a whole lot better. The sad thing about this though is that I had to jail break it just to have some features that were standard on Android.
But at the end of the day, like I said, it's the apps.. I use my phone for calls, text, music, and Internet. Basic features all smartphones include.. It's the apps, the games, utilities, the variety that ios offers in apps that I miss.
One more thing, I never understood why people hate apple products. They make solid products.. I guess people just need to pick a side.. You got Ford vs Chevy, imports vs domestics, windows vs mac os, android vs apple, ipod vs zune(lol) etc etc
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those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ

the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!

LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related

kylereid said:
the one thing that I've come across are all of the software companies in the music industry absolutely LOVE the ipad (as does every musician, producer, etc. LOVE and ADORE their iphone). When i show up to gigs, rehearsals, etc... i get tons of glances and weird faces at my android. most people have no idea that it's faster and more capable.. yada yada yada. (phone is a GNex running jb)
But, whether it be large VST firms like Spectrasonics, Native Instruments, Arturia, etc. etc, or even hints from the bigger guys like ableton, protools (avid), and logic, all have ipad apps to make the ipad "the next instrument". you see all the time on youtube videos of 'ipad bands' and all that crap. it's really stupid! lol.
There are things like actual synths on ios (arturia) to realtime hardware synth integration to add extras (like oscilators, filters, etc) to even Moog synths! (which is totally awesome!). There are software synth helpers and controllers too, whether they be third party or directly from the manufacturer (like Spectrasonic's Orb).
This is very frustrating though, with android there's almost nothing out there. the best i have so far is a few midi controller apps (like touch osc, that originated on ios) and jordan rudess' MorphWizz (which he apparently uses live, but it feels like a toy).
I'm annoyed that 1. the music world is going to this, making everything feel chincy and kinda cheep (adding to the 'there's an app for that!' ;-s), but 2. that there's NOTHING for Android!
If I'm wrong, and there's stuff out there... PLEASE let me know. I'm using touch osc live on my a500 to control ableton, but i would love more apps for it!
oh yeah, one more thing. i also have a macbook pro (17 inch mother of a screen). i purchased it because of this problem. yes there are many production and synth programs on windows... but, NO, they hardly ever work well and i found that stability was 50/50 live. Had to go apple. To be honest, was hesitant, but i've enjoyed it. And apple fan boys, it's not perfect, it's not God, and it does crash.... albeit not as much as my Dell lol.
great community for the good 'ol a500!
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thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?

chismay said:
LMFAO talk about ios and theyre GREAT APPS?
how about this a $1000 app that does nothing but shows a picture of a gem and a sentance
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I-APPS MY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os2axzJHbzA&feature=related
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Really? Your gonna bring up an app that was released four years ago and that was pulled Immediately by Apple? Your a funny guy. You know it's bad when it's recommend to install some kind of anti virus software for your phone. I don't want to start arguing but the proof is in the pudding, ios has more apps, a wider selection and overall better apps, even if you have to pay for them.
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chismay said:
those point are valid, i dont mind paying for an app as long as it works. but ive noticed a large amount of apps for ios that dont actually do as described. like telling you one thing and you get something else.
about apple and solid product, no, this is the thing most people will confuse about me personally ,.....the ipad and phone COULD have been the greatest device ever,,,,,if:
A.you actually got a product on par with the price your paying
B. You bought it, you own it, you do what u want with it. not apples way
C. You wasnt forced to use the brands own very poor software to upload even a simple ringtone, i seriously dont get that....,,, oh wait i do you have to pay....not just for music but pay apple to get that music,. since when was apple my personal certified music agent?....self injected by apple very sneaky
D. apple products have had many of they're fair share of design flaws, these have just been swept under the carpet though. what about the massive i-4..."yeah the 4rth version" design flaw when you had to stick a rubber bumper on the side to get reception, and yeah you had to buy that rubber bumper ,,,, even though its apple fault.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
NOW im not saying thats not a story for the android phones too but heres a small snippet about the htc one wifi problem and how htc went about fixing it for theyre valuable customers:
In addition, HTC is also urging affected users to their call customer support to see if their phone is one of the affected models. If HTC confirms that a user has a phone with the identified hardware flaw, they will issue a replacement device. <---- see the big differences?
other brands : buy a bad product from us we will fix or replace it at no cost you bought the device it should work....srry about that
apple: you bought it from us , its doesnt work.......so pay more money just get what you should already and have payed for,.
these are the things people hate about apple,
apple reminds me of that AOL Representative that wouldnt let that guy cancel his account.,... "well sir I THINK you need your account so im not goin to cancel it..........against your will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_knvtpENoQ
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I agree with the whole ring tone, buying a song off itunes is one thing but not being able to set it as a ring tone is just plain obsurd.. Who knows maybe they'll offer it as a feature in one of their updates ha ha ha ha.. I also don't like how finicky the iphone is when it comes to trying to play videos on it... With my galaxy s3 I just drag and drop and it plays pretty much any video format I have.
I thought both the iphone and ipad were priced decently. My galaxy s3 cost just as much as an iphone4.. I mean how much was a motorola xoom when it came out? Roughly the same amount as an ipad think.
I'm really not trying to argue, we can go back and forth all day, iphone had reception issues, a few of the nexus line of phones has screen issues, it happens.. Although people seem to be a bit more harsh when it's apple.. I remember I had an HTC evo, phone worked fine but the software had a bug.. there was a known android bug where I would click on a text but it would send me to a different contact, me unknowingly would shoot out the text and by the time I realized someone else had gotten the text... It was too late.. I had a lot of embarrassing moments because of this. I know apple had that one clock bug where it didn't update to daylights savings time... Everybody has problems..no company's is perfect... I don't know what I'm getting with this really, I'm a neutral guy. I use both os's, they both have their pros and cons... That's all I gotta say.
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chismay said:
thats great info i myself as a "not even semi-pro" music dj'er i have used abletone, native, etc an yeah i did find that more was supported by ios,
But is that the O/S's fault or the developers?
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agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol

Moscow Desire said:
An Apple device, can make your wallet thinner :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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And there's an APP for that too!

kylereid said:
agreed, but as we've seen with Flipboard and every other popular ios app, is android support THAT much different? lol
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i read somewhere that the reason why iOS had such great dj'ing and music apps is sound processing. nobody can deny ipods have the greatest sound, better than any portable music player. apple took that and added it to the pads and phones. dunno if it's a software or hardware thing, but it's there. with jellybean now out i thought that might change a bit but i have not seen anything about it yet.
btw some Apple fanboys that i know are actually happy that Google fixed the fragmentation and wrote the gpu code from scratch. as another user said in earlier post, the OSes are paired in performance now.
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