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What to do using unsupported Rom?

Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.

plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
I'm using an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
Yes I'm using Cronos Froyo, and I'm an honest user who doesn't care much for xda forums politics.
I've read the comments that the moderators have written in the thread and whilst I understand what they have written, do end users really have to suffer because of a dispute between developers?
Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
Also, I wonder if the xda moderators have consulted laywers about the GPL as it is a legal document and thus won't be as black and white as it seems. A lot of companies behave not dissimilarly to feeyo and survive the threat of any action.
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I believe he still releases in his forum - just do a google search

nope, it seems his account has been suspended on the domain, not good.

plonkersaurus said:
sing an AOSP Froyo rom and I can't seem to find any others let alone one which everything works in.
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There's AOSP ROMs. Without even plugging my own, there's the Fusion project for a start.

Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP

Dude. You might as well turn xda into thepiratebay.Breaking a software licence is illegal no matter if the software is proprietary or open source.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

plonkersaurus said:
Froyd and Fusion are Cyanogen based roms which I've tried and don't work so well for me.
I'd count them as Vanilla roms not AOSP
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The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.

I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.

Hacre said:
The only non AOSP thing about them is:
They include Google Apps
They include proprietary libs grabbed from the phone to make the phone work.
Guess what, that's what AOSP ROMs do too, the ones released here anyway, since they're largely unusable without Google Apps (Market, etc) and the libs needed to make the phone work.
If you want plain AOSP, you better have an ADP1, ADP2 or a Nexus One. There is no such thing as a pure AOSP Hero ROM.
What people mean when they refer to AOSP, is they yanked the git straight from Android and compiled it for X phone, adding in whatever apps along with the Google apps and the prop libs.
Cyanogenmod is also AOSP in that same sense. Only there's a ton of people working on the repo and fixing stuff that Android don't or haven't yet.
If you've run into a CM based ROM that doesn't work well for you then it's still down to the builder. Chances are if they made an "AOSP" ROM, it'd be even worse.
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Cyanogenmod roms change a lot more things than just needed to get android working properly and I'm not a huge fan of all the changes

plonkersaurus said:
Hi,
What should I do if the rom I am using and really like has disappeared and now is unsupported?
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Yes I agree in principle that source should be released with the release, but don't other rom devs have a donators only beta testing section before general release for testing which also occurs before source code release? Feeyo as far as I'm aware takes no donations what so ever.
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Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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1... Switch to another ROM, or stick with what you have, they are your two options.
2... No, other devs do not have a "donators only beta testing section", and regardless if they did or not, I think you need to go and re-read all the info the mods have given about the GPL issue before adding your 2 pence worth.
3... I owe feeyo nothing. He may have produced ROMS, but contribute to the community he did not.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

plonkersaurus said:
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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Hahaha what. Being a developer doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
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plonkersaurus said:
Beyond this, hero users really owe a lot to feeyo for the couple of months before official 2.1 got released as he was the only dev to get 2.1 working properly with long lasting battery life.
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I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.

Hacre said:
Hahaha what. Being a develloper doesn't mean you "get" the point of the GPL. Plenty of developers over at Microsoft don't "get" it. That doesn't make it any less valid.
In fact your entire post just screams "I do not understand open source development, what on Earth is wrong with people doing stuff themselves and hoarding it".
The "pioneering development" as you put it doesn't happen by individuals because it happens in groups. You know, lots of minds working towards a common goal.
Jesus on a bike.
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I didn't mention GPL anywhere in my post.
I mentioned that I wouldn't help this community due to the fact people would be accepting donations for what would be in part my work which I think is immoral.
That is what my post was about.
Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.

plonkersaurus said:
Plus I think you will find Linus wrote Linux by himself so individuals are capable of greatness.
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Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.

plonkersaurus said:
I'm actually a professional software developer.
The Hero community here, as it is, I would never contribute to, because I wouldn't want my work included into someone elses rom that they then take donations for (I would never ask for donations for my work) especially since there seems to be no pioneering development going on by themselves.
So I see feeyo as someone like me, but with a drive to get things working on the hero.
In my eyes he is a bit like a vigilante or I guess like Batman. What Batman does is illegal too you know.
Sometimes there is such thing as the lesser of two evils and the greater good.
He harmed no one doing what he did.
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If you don't want to share then Android is not for you.
And why the big deal about asking for donations. Its not free to run a site. And a donation is hardly mandatory, the clue is in the name, no-one was bent over and forced to do anything they never wanted to.
I have used Villain on and off since Feb and haven't donated a penny.
.... and Batman? Really? Yes he makes the decisions that no one else can, for the greater good, the bigger picture... he doesn't play hero just to boost his own ego.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

Hacre said:
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I missed this when I first read the OP. Hahaha no he wasn't. Battery life has to be one of the most done to death topics on these forums and do you know what? Your battery life is solely dependent on you the phone user, providing of course the developer or the cooker hasn't done something utterly retarded to the ROM that causes battery to run down.
Until Froyo was released, Cronos wasn't even a compiled ROM it was a precompiled Sense ROM and as such subject to all the whims of the HTC base that the rest of us were.
Oh and I don't owe him anything. Never used his ROM, never benefited from what he apparently gave back to the community (nothing). He owed me and whomever else asked him for it, source code, which happened to be the one thing he never once provided while being happy to make use of source code provided by others.
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Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.

plonkersaurus said:
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.

plonkersaurus said:
Ok, so you never used his rom. I did and it was leagues ahead of anything else at the time. It made our phones really usable with 2.1. I remember when it was first released it was in the top 5 threads for a week on the front page of xda so I'm sure I wasn't the only one to experience this.
Also, sometimes it's the way you ask for something. I never once saw you ask for the source code with a view to work with him on it, only to get access to it. I know you are going to spout GPL rules now but I would rather not provide them knowing they will be taken over and most likely I would not be included in development in a "team" way, and rather take the punishment when it came of being banned.
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You might be right, maybe they wouldn't have let him be in the team, maybe they would have. Who cares, they would have had to credit it to him either way, just as they credit help from other developers now.
The main point is that he wasn't willing to help push things forward. He wanted all the spotlight for himself.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

Hacre said:
Re check your history. Linus did not write Linux by himself. He wrote the first kernel by himself. Linux wasn't truly born until he released it along with the source code and people started fixing it, writing drivers for it and writing coreutils/toolchains around it. It didn't approach anything like popular until it got x86 support and the kernel reached a level of maturity in the 2.0.x releases. Collaborative development/debugging. It's an amazing thing. Stunted quickly by the "I will not share" attitude that you're defending and supporting.
I am genuinely curious as to how you can guarantee that people will receive donations for your work. Or why you'd even care. My kernel source tree is used by others, I don't lose a wink of sleep over whether they get donations for their finished ROM or not, it doesn't matter.
Donations are just that, donations. They are not a fee. They are not someone taking someone else's work and then charging for it. They're something that an individual feels that they want to give to someone out of the kindness of their hearts as a thank you as well as the fact that donations are quite a rarity.
I got my first donation today. It'll buy me a few beers. It won't make me rich. I got it for my work on the kernel and my work on the Villain 2.2 ROMs. Have a guess how many people at Villain are now pissy that I got a donation and not the project itself. None. Have a guess how many GNU developers are now hand wringing themselves with pure fret because some guy got bought a beer for some work he did on their code. None.
You didn't have to mention the GPL in your post. The GPL is why these ridiculous threads keep springing up, it was the GPL and the failure to adhere to it, that got Feeyo canned.
People with your attitude toward community development have no place on these forums. Kindly take the door that has a Feeyo shaped hole in it.
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I think the problem here is your attitude, you seem to think you own the place. I am free to stay here as I wish as far as I know. I also don't believe you are reading my posts correctly as you seem to think I am against community programming which is further from the truth.
I never said I wouldn't share. I wouldn't share with you. I think community programming is great all things being equal. It seems to me that the hero community here is terrible right now and thus I wouldn't help it.
Getting people banned definitely isn't making you friends either. I honestly never saw you wanting to work with feeyo only to get at his work.
I would have no problem helping out trying to get android to work on the Xperia X1 and supplying my source code as that is a true example of people working together.

Hacre said:
My first four or five requests were incredibly polite. There were a plethora of polite request the first time he pulled this stunt too. My reason for asking was irrelevant. However my reason for asking for those particular sources, were twofold:
1: I didn't believe it.
2: If it was true then the community should damn well get access to it so we as a group can get it up to full working order so that EVERY ROM DEVELOPER can make use of it.
Taken over? What? I now don't believe that you're a developer, at least nothing outside pointing and clicking in a GUI based programming tool in some office somewhere, because you clearly have no idea of what collaborative development is. You cannot shut anyone, ANYONE, out of a GPL project, that's the whole frigging point. See my signature? Source code. Source code anyone can take and modify. Source code people are welcome to change, fix, port, patch and if they want to, submit a pull request so I can merge those fixes in.
Click the link. Follow the fork tree. Observe the magic as my changes move upstream to the original cyanogenmod + Hero kernel. Observe further magic as changes they make merge their way down into my kernel. Yeah I/we are really all about shutting people out.
Stop trolling.
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That's not what I mean by shutting people out. I'm not trolling but replying to your false accusations.
You are also trying to personally discredit me by calling me a point and click GUI programmer which is below the belt. You know nothing about me.
What I mean is, working together as these roms are virtually the same project is about communicating. Something that would not have happened and does in a real collaborative effort.
I'm sick of this thread and having to defend myself because you fail to understand what working together really means. And no it's not just following rules. It's obvious you aren't a professional programmer. People skills and management are just as important as being able to program and that is the point I am trying to get at.

I think you've formed your opinion and regardless of how many times Hacre blows your point out of the water, your not going to be swayed are you. He shouldn't even have to explain himself to you, every point had been covered in the other fan threads already.
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make DEVelopment Not War

Now that developing for our Acer Iconia is going like a fast train.
Pls DEVelopers work togheter and don t fight each other here at XDA we have to work togheter and make all off us users happy to use they great modifications you the allready known, Half gods, give us.
But don t fight please in the world around us there is place enough for all developing people do it doesn t matter if one or the other has made the basic stone to start building from.
I love the work and skills of you all.
I hope that we can keep this forum of ACER Iconia peacefull
sincerely PiXiEjOe:

+1 to that!!

+100 i would say

+1000 who's next D:

+ 999,999,999,999,999,999,999

+ infinity

+ (n+1)
'n' being the highest number posted on this thread....(countable or not)...
Sent from my XT720 using XDA App

i am glad that you people think te same way i do so thanks to you all.
keep up the good colaborating spirit

I have no skills at all for dev, so I rely on them and praise them for the amazing work they do. Please....I will beg....don't any of you go away. I will be lost. Thanks.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1

While I think that devs should all work together towards a common goal, I also think that people should understand what ExAcTlY is going on before making their decisions...
It should also be noted that concealing/altering and stealing work is a DISGRACE and against what XDA is all about (and sometimes illegal...)
This post sums up Perfectly what the deal is:
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Now I can't speak for m-deejay, or anyone else for that matter however... Thor is distributing a Kernel without releasing the source which is both a breach of the GPL license & XDA rules not to mention illegal. Now as MDJ has released his code under the GPL he is well within his right as one of the rights holders to tell Thor to cease and desist.
I can't say if anyone else reported the GPL violations, but I can say what I did.
I reported Thor for breach of the GPL (twice regarding his signature)
I reported vache for breach of the GPL (twice for bundling a Kernel without source)
I also reported another post for breach of the GPL (for providing a link to Thor's Kernel)​I give full permission to any moderator to come and verify I did do the above. I believe XDA moderators were acting on those reports by me and no one else.
Why did I report the Kernel? Because of repeated requests which were either ignored, spammed and/or laughed off.
Given what I have said above, you do realise you have accused a great ROM developer of multiple devices of doing something he probably didn't? An apology to MDJ sounds like in order
Just wanted to add I will not partake in any further discussion in regards to the above.
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There is no place like home. There is no place like home........
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grhand82 said:
apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1
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HAHA I LOL'd!!!

No war but peace and development

we cannot understand what goes behind scenes for these developers apperantly they have issues with each other but I respect them so much, I appreciate the hard work they do no other developer wants to even conside doing developing on the iconia before they broke into the locked boot loader. So please developers (not mentioning names) lets continue with the great work you guys made the A500 an envy withing my friends when 6 months ago they thought xoom, Asus tf were the better choice.

Thanks to everybody

Just stumbled on to this and it is so funny. There will always be a bit on a competitive edge in these forums. Back in x1 forum it was all out war for donations, views and downloads. It may be a bit daunting to others chefs when they are all working on making Acer base better we have mdj releasing all kinda ports. Good for us I admit but maybe a bit daunting for others. I would like to see a few different takes on the ports we have right now as to me Acer base has been taken as far as it can go. It be nice to see a fusion rom with the best bits of galaxy, thrive, xoom etc thrown in. Will the devs come together and do that? Maybe not but its still a thought
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so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead

abditerex said:
so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead
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Ae you reading the same forum as the rest of us? We have root for every version, a unlocked bootloader, more roms then you can throw a stick at - and new posts every day.

+1 too. No need to enter thousand to agree.

[Q] Confused about a certain "developer"

Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!

There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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XaviorPenguin said:
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
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Short story is he's in direct violation of the GPL (he refuses to publish his source code for his kernel).
If you've got nothing to hide, then why bother hiding it?!?

I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~

gmfeny said:
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.

It's a pretty simple matter from what I understand.
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
In this case, Thor did not publish the source code to his kernel. For that reason, it (and his roms which use it) cannot be put on XDA.
It's considered 'warez' because he is breaking the license agreement of the kernel (the GPL). Any software which violates a license agreement is illegal, and thus, warez.
Why he did not give the source for his kernel, I do not know. It is not, however, an issue of whether his software performs well or not. For this reason, many choose to run his roms anyways.

The interesting thing is, cwm uses thor's kernel and they haven't banned it since we have no alternative at this time. I did see someone in the development section is working on a gpl compliant recovery. The nice thing is, it is very easy to visit thor's site and download what you need.

>DARKMAN< said:
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~
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Turboboxer said:
I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.

Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....

kjy2010 said:
No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
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Paranoid much?
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>DARKMAN< said:
Paranoid much?
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If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it j/o?

dman918 said:
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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I gave up those useless features for hide status bar and Thor parts add ons. Not a fan of Honeylicious, no offense kjy.
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Rock on! Glad to know exactly why. I did do some research and tried to find a definite answer but couldn't find an exact one as bluntly as my questions were.
So, to all who answered my questions, THANK YOU! I appreciate it.
Mad props to all of y'all for definitely being smarter than I.

mswirski said:
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
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This part is not completely true.
Only code that is licensed under the GPL, such as kernel code, must be shared. Code from other licenses like Apache (which covers the userspace of Android), are not required to be shared and so don't have to be.
So basically, Thor doesn't have to release source for his ROM's, but he DOES for his kernel. He's been asked to several times but flatly refuses and the only reason ever give is that people steal his work, which is nonesense as it's not his work to start with.

Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.

There is no real reason to suspect Thor is doing anything untoward in his ROM. It's possible he is, but it's equally possible he isn't. The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers who's work he is stealing.

FloatingFatMan said:
The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers whose work he is stealing.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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blancocar said:
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy?
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.

blancocar said:
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
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The problem is that without him publishing his source code, you'll never know what he's doing.
Not saying he is, or isn't doing anything in the background. Thanks to the GPL most of the major phone carriers were caught using Carrier IQ (Google that if you'd like a real scare), and without Thor's source code, you'll never know without him publishing his source.
WereCatf said:
No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
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+999,999,999

Floatie.. HOW CUTE
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You gotta love xda...
he is not the only cutie on here . Just saying..
I think thor is only hiding the fact that the work is not really his... But feels Bigger then others .. so he hides ... but who knows for sure..

I do know that devs come up with some awesome feature to put in their roms, this happened on the sgs2 forum with the Rarity rom. The dev shared his idea and the next thing was 1 or 2 new roms incorporating what he wanted to do but hadn't finished yet.
I know this is done in the spirit of sharing and to benefit the community but when things you are working hard to do are essentially copied and take away your moment of triumph, the fact you can say "I did this first", then it does get frustrating.... We lost a kickass dev over that...
Thor maybe up to no good or he may have a few things he wants to improve on before releasing to the community, only time will tell, and you may never know....

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Mate, you had better delete this thread right now or there is a VERY good chance you are gonna get banned.... This is the rom that isn't GPL compliant and as such all references to it are looked on with ill favour. Giving the post to it is asking to be stoned to death, even though its through another site....
You have been warned, let the flaming begin.....

Ehhhh.... it's ok. Let it go. It's just a video. Of course if it has direct links to non-GPL compliant software, then it has to go. We all know the rules.
Of course it may start some "flame" wars. I certainly hope it doesn't as there's no reason to. Everybody know's where Thor's site is. And we all know he put's out kernels that aren't allowed to be hosted on XDA due to non-disclosure of kernel source. Not that his kernel source is a big secret But Rules and Licensing agreements are what they are, regardless where the source came from.
Almost everybody here has come to accept this.
But it's still a good idea not to open old wounds.

Someone can explain why all lollipop ROM thread will be closed?

Hi guys, i'm an italian guy and forma this reason i don't undestend Hood the reasons why alla post of lollipop ROM will be closed. I understand that the problemi is the resources ot cyanogenmod. Thanks for all
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Long story short: users steal early code releases from various sources and mash them together. Ultimately releasing half baked roms with their own name on it. A bunch of devices have been bricked, so the threads will be closed to avoid further damage.
Original devs are unhappy with the situation and do not like it therefore they complain and wanted the threads closed.
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Trixanity said:
Long story short: users steal early code releases from various sources and mash them together. Ultimately releasing half baked roms with their own name on it. A bunch of devices have been bricked, so the threads will be closed to avoid further damage.
Original devs are unhappy with the situation and do not like it therefore they complain and wanted the threads closed.
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Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?

Edoardo001 said:
Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?
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if they fix all bugs they should fix it in the source and send it to gerrit by CM for reviewing and then pushing in to the source for all to build on.

Edoardo001 said:
Thanks a lot bro , and if the person who stole the code fix all bugs and release a stable rom, the thread will bel closed euqal?
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Doubtful they would be able to fix it, or they wouldn't have kanged it to begin with, they would have built it using their own source.

Although i understand the mind set, and have no problem with the threads being closed, i do not agree with the choice of the word steal. Google released the source for anyone to build with, if someone doesnt want their code used github has private repos. Which in my mind defeats the point of open source. But isnt it about time we go back to personal responsibility? If you dont know the devs rep, and or you cant recover from a bad flash, then maybe, just maybe you shouldnt be rooted or playing fast and loose with your devices operating system.
Just sayin, resume doing as you plz.
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wyrdtrtle said:
Although i understand the mind set, and have no problem with the threads being closed, i do not agree with the choice of the word steal. Google released the source for anyone to build with, if someone doesnt want their code used github has private repos. Which in my mind defeats the point of open source. But isnt it about time we go back to personal responsibility? If you dont know the devs rep, and or you cant recover from a bad flash, then maybe, just maybe you shouldnt be rooted or playing fast and loose with your devices operating system.
Just sayin, resume doing as you plz.
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Absolutely agree with you. Open source is after all.. Open source. If you share your work, you must know that people are going to use it. It can be looked as your work is definitely something if others want to use it!
And yeah, if you have rooted your device and install roms, be ready for the risks it comes with. One cant blame a dev if they use devs stuff on their own risk.

I'll just leave this here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2944269