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Now that developing for our Acer Iconia is going like a fast train.
Pls DEVelopers work togheter and don t fight each other here at XDA we have to work togheter and make all off us users happy to use they great modifications you the allready known, Half gods, give us.
But don t fight please in the world around us there is place enough for all developing people do it doesn t matter if one or the other has made the basic stone to start building from.
I love the work and skills of you all.
I hope that we can keep this forum of ACER Iconia peacefull
sincerely PiXiEjOe:
+1 to that!!
+100 i would say
+1000 who's next D:
+ 999,999,999,999,999,999,999
+ infinity
+ (n+1)
'n' being the highest number posted on this thread....(countable or not)...
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i am glad that you people think te same way i do so thanks to you all.
keep up the good colaborating spirit
I have no skills at all for dev, so I rely on them and praise them for the amazing work they do. Please....I will beg....don't any of you go away. I will be lost. Thanks.
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apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1
While I think that devs should all work together towards a common goal, I also think that people should understand what ExAcTlY is going on before making their decisions...
It should also be noted that concealing/altering and stealing work is a DISGRACE and against what XDA is all about (and sometimes illegal...)
This post sums up Perfectly what the deal is:
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Now I can't speak for m-deejay, or anyone else for that matter however... Thor is distributing a Kernel without releasing the source which is both a breach of the GPL license & XDA rules not to mention illegal. Now as MDJ has released his code under the GPL he is well within his right as one of the rights holders to tell Thor to cease and desist.
I can't say if anyone else reported the GPL violations, but I can say what I did.
I reported Thor for breach of the GPL (twice regarding his signature)
I reported vache for breach of the GPL (twice for bundling a Kernel without source)
I also reported another post for breach of the GPL (for providing a link to Thor's Kernel)​I give full permission to any moderator to come and verify I did do the above. I believe XDA moderators were acting on those reports by me and no one else.
Why did I report the Kernel? Because of repeated requests which were either ignored, spammed and/or laughed off.
Given what I have said above, you do realise you have accused a great ROM developer of multiple devices of doing something he probably didn't? An apology to MDJ sounds like in order
Just wanted to add I will not partake in any further discussion in regards to the above.
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There is no place like home. There is no place like home........
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apl I can say is BONG +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1
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HAHA I LOL'd!!!
No war but peace and development
we cannot understand what goes behind scenes for these developers apperantly they have issues with each other but I respect them so much, I appreciate the hard work they do no other developer wants to even conside doing developing on the iconia before they broke into the locked boot loader. So please developers (not mentioning names) lets continue with the great work you guys made the A500 an envy withing my friends when 6 months ago they thought xoom, Asus tf were the better choice.
Thanks to everybody
Just stumbled on to this and it is so funny. There will always be a bit on a competitive edge in these forums. Back in x1 forum it was all out war for donations, views and downloads. It may be a bit daunting to others chefs when they are all working on making Acer base better we have mdj releasing all kinda ports. Good for us I admit but maybe a bit daunting for others. I would like to see a few different takes on the ports we have right now as to me Acer base has been taken as far as it can go. It be nice to see a fusion rom with the best bits of galaxy, thrive, xoom etc thrown in. Will the devs come together and do that? Maybe not but its still a thought
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so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead
abditerex said:
so what we got from this war?NOTHING.....now this iconia forum look like nothing activity and dead
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Ae you reading the same forum as the rest of us? We have root for every version, a unlocked bootloader, more roms then you can throw a stick at - and new posts every day.
+1 too. No need to enter thousand to agree.
As our device is dying in support I feel that we need to develop a large development team (10+ people) that will work on ICS for our gtablet. I mean after all our device is capable of running it ( Tegra 250). If you would like to be part of this team shoot an email to [email protected] explaining why you want to be part of this team and what you can contribute. Thank you.
You know that you need a new kernel for ICS to work properly right? Ch3vr0n5 and dpw13 are currently working on it over at slatedroid.
lol. i was gonna post something similar to this in the next couple days. I made the n1 ics port and started work today trying to get ics booting on my gtab. I think first order of business is to start a room on freenode.
#tegratab_ics_dev
all interested parties please join
btw im drewis
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lol. i was gonna post something similar to this in the next couple days. I made the n1 ics port and started work today trying to get ics booting on my gtab. I think first order of business is to start a room on freenode.
#tegratab_ics_dev
all interested parties please join
btw im drewis
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guys,
pm jazzruby, tek112 or fosser2, ch3vron..they are also over @ slatedroid viewsonic gtablet forum..
they have been working on a kernel with hw accel for HC3.2 and ICS. There are been some teaser pics by fosser with ics running on his gtablet.
I'm sure they could use your help...
kernel dev in the gtablet laboratory forum as well.
Cyanogen: Our goal is to provide continued support to all CM7 devices back to the QSD8250 series of devices such as the Nexus One. (12/2/2011)
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The CyanogenMod team has also said they will continue to support our gTabs so I am looking forward to CM9 which hopefully will drop some time in January.
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The CyanogenMod team has also said they will continue to support our gTabs so I am looking forward to CM9 which hopefully will drop some time in January.
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uhm based on what you quote nothing is said there we dont have qsd in our gtabs...
If anyone is interested and has dev experience shoot me a pm and i'll get you up to date. thanks
Yea upon further investigation there are already a few people working on this. In fact a quick google search will find you a booting cm9 for gtab. (i dont want to post the link since it is pre alpha and not my rom) but the gtab is not lacking devs by any means. (they just arent on xda)
oh and forget my post about the irc room there is already one. but again you must find it yourself
dont know why the pic is green but whatever
texasice said:
Yea upon further investigation there are already a few people working on this. In fact a quick google search will find you a booting cm9 for gtab. (i dont want to post the link since it is pre alpha and not my rom) but the gtab is not lacking devs by any means. (they just arent on xda)
oh and forget my post about the irc room there is already one. but again you must find it yourself
dont know why the pic is green but whatever
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I appreciate that you didn't post the link to this, and please anyone else who "finds" this build (yes its out there) please do not post it anywhere either. It is extremely beta and has many problems (to the point where you would have to open your tablet to push the internal reset button). Thanks
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
Notion ink adam is getting official ICS, I suppose that will help a lot?
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i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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I realize you're just trying to show people where it is, but if the devs don't want you pouring out THEIR work to the world just yet, I think it's best to listen.
iammuze said:
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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There are good reasons why the devs don't want this posted. Its not to spite anyone or rub it in their faces. 1 they don't want to be liable for someone elses damaged tablet, 2 do you know if the voltage regulators aren't correct it could fry your gtablet permanently, 3 they're a good hard working group who is doing this for zero dollars in their spare personal time and only want to put out a good working product. Have a little respect for their wishes. Be warned that alpha build could permanent damage your gtablet.
iammuze said:
i really don't appreciate this elitist dev crap. "yeah there's a place where you can talk about it, and a build you can get to try it, but i'm not going to tell you where." i completely understand that the devs are doing work that we (I) can't do and that they're entitled to a bit of leeway for that but if they're going to talk about their work in public and post shots, they're just doing it to get a rise out of people. there is no valid reason to restrict people from trying out alpha builds except to keep others out of their club.
of course, if you want to install something against the advice of someone who knows a lot more than you do, that's your perogative but you assume all responsibility. it does absolutely make sense that the devs want ZERO whining or "bug reporting" from alpha builds. ostensibly, the devs and those with technical acumen are trying to protect newbs who might fry their tabs. to my thinking however, nothing would make someone learn faster not to flash random **** than a $300 brick. we're all intelligent humans and not children, however, so
links:
cm9 alpha (install script edited)
gapps
original file
note: THIS IS NOT A DAILY DRIVER. i tested it on a 1.2BL tab. i had to turn off the getprop script asserts to get it to install, which is usually bad form. it boots, but we have no hw acceleration, no wifi, no camera, no sound, no usb storage or adb... etc. this is just a taste, proof that work is being done.
irc is freenode #gtab_kerneldev
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Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and ****.
EDIT: Ok now that I'm done fuming about this. The release that was posted is an early build of CM9. It is based off of Android 4.0.3. The kernel that is included with that release is linux 2.6.36. Since then, we have now moved onto 2.6.39. In no way is the "dev" group elitist. At any time anyone could have joined the IRC group and asked for a download link to the latest kernel/rom. The reason this has not been released yet is because of the "power button" script. When the power button is tripped at random times it causes the entire tablet to freeze up. The only way to "reset" the tablet is to open it up and press the internal reset button, thereby voiding any warranty from Viewsonic. Another issue that I have seen with using this kernel is possible damage to the camera. Just a few days ago I learned that while running this kernel the camera heats up and is hot to the touch, almost to the point of burning yourself. I have since then, unplugged the camera from the mainboard, to hopefully stop damage to the camera (I'm guessing that whoever has run this already without unplugging their camera, has potentially fried it). In short, installing this rom does give you some latest and greatest software to play with, but with it comes risks. DO NOT INSTALL THIS ROM/KERNEL IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RISK DAMAGING YOUR TABLET.
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
fosser2 said:
Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
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Kids.....they think they know everything! Haha, just kidding but hopefully maybe people understand why now. Im pumped about the HC release! Im tired of froyo and can't wait to play the THD games that required 2.3+. Thank you and the rest of the team so much for your hard work. Im not a programmer but im going to start digging for the technical info you need for the camera.
fosser2 said:
Well aren't you cool, learning how to use google and ****.
EDIT: Ok now that I'm done fuming about this. The release that was posted is an early build of CM9. It is based off of Android 4.0.3. The kernel that is included with that release is linux 2.6.36. Since then, we have now moved onto 2.6.39. In no way is the "dev" group elitist. At any time anyone could have joined the IRC group and asked for a download link to the latest kernel/rom. The reason this has not been released yet is because of the "power button" script. When the power button is tripped at random times it causes the entire tablet to freeze up. The only way to "reset" the tablet is to open it up and press the internal reset button, thereby voiding any warranty from Viewsonic. Another issue that I have seen with using this kernel is possible damage to the camera. Just a few days ago I learned that while running this kernel the camera heats up and is hot to the touch, almost to the point of burning yourself. I have since then, unplugged the camera from the mainboard, to hopefully stop damage to the camera (I'm guessing that whoever has run this already without unplugging their camera, has potentially fried it). In short, installing this rom does give you some latest and greatest software to play with, but with it comes risks. DO NOT INSTALL THIS ROM/KERNEL IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RISK DAMAGING YOUR TABLET.
ps. As a dev. team, we will be releasing HC with a .36 kernel that supports hw accel very soon. Keep your heads up for that release. Hopefully this release can hold people over until everything becomes more stable. Thank you all for patiently waiting.
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Thanks to all the Devs working on this stuff for us! That said if you guys need any testing done just shoot me a PM, I rarely use my tablet any more and have cracked it open plenty of times for other hardware testing. I don't have much time to work on software anymore, but am more than willing to test stuff for you if you don't wish to risk your tablets. Again thanks for all your work.
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Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
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Closing this thread - this is just getting out of hand folks.
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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XaviorPenguin said:
Ok, I am confused. I am new to the whole Acer Iconia A500 and such and so far, I am happy with my refurbished purchase having installed Taboonay 2.2. However, I keep seeing this name of Thor around the forums here and having this individual bashed for things. I have some questions...
1. Why is his releases not allowed to be linked to XDA?
2. Why is it that I see in posts and comments that his ROM is considered Warez? or better yet, what makes his ROM to be considered Warez?
If those can be answered, I should have a better understanding about this fellow.
ThanX in advance!
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Short story is he's in direct violation of the GPL (he refuses to publish his source code for his kernel).
If you've got nothing to hide, then why bother hiding it?!?
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~
gmfeny said:
There are a bunch of threads about this. Do a little research and u could find an explanation better than I can give u.
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I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
It's a pretty simple matter from what I understand.
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
In this case, Thor did not publish the source code to his kernel. For that reason, it (and his roms which use it) cannot be put on XDA.
It's considered 'warez' because he is breaking the license agreement of the kernel (the GPL). Any software which violates a license agreement is illegal, and thus, warez.
Why he did not give the source for his kernel, I do not know. It is not, however, an issue of whether his software performs well or not. For this reason, many choose to run his roms anyways.
The interesting thing is, cwm uses thor's kernel and they haven't banned it since we have no alternative at this time. I did see someone in the development section is working on a gpl compliant recovery. The nice thing is, it is very easy to visit thor's site and download what you need.
>DARKMAN< said:
I'm running his rom and it is the best rom I have used! But everyone has a right to their opinion. Also has anyone kindly asked him to? Or why he won't? Anyways, I still like his work.
~Sent from my Droid SuperCharge~
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Turboboxer said:
I would rather be flamed with the links, if you are going to comment.
I searched and even asked a mod. I am glad OP posted this one. Now I know.
I have been running Thor's ROM and Kernal and have had ZERO count them ZERO issues. Everything runs smooth. Battery life is awesome. no complaints and as far as I can tell, I have no need to update. Maybe if ICS comes but this is pretty damn perfect.
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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No one has said he does bad work.
Do you know what information your OS is sending out, possibly to Thor himself?
Quick answer....h3ll no!
Why? Because he refuses to release his source code which is in direct violation of the GPL which everyone else (at least here at XDA does).
And that's the only reason I won't allow his work to touch my tab.
The alternate CWM posted in the dev section is good enough to flash with, which is all I need (never do backups), so at least I know what my ROM is doing, and I KNOW you both CAN'T say the same about your tabs. Not flaming, just pointing out something most people aren't aware of.
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Paranoid much?
Sent from my A500
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Paranoid much?
Sent from my A500
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If you've got nothing to hide, why hide it j/o?
dman918 said:
Icy Faux FTW!
I liked Thor's ROM but why load a ROM with parts not working? Both auto brightness and hardware screen lock don't work. When other ROMs have it working and seem to run just as well (again, Honeylicious FTW), why bother with it? I do, however, run his Kernel.
My 2 cents....
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I gave up those useless features for hide status bar and Thor parts add ons. Not a fan of Honeylicious, no offense kjy.
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Rock on! Glad to know exactly why. I did do some research and tried to find a definite answer but couldn't find an exact one as bluntly as my questions were.
So, to all who answered my questions, THANK YOU! I appreciate it.
Mad props to all of y'all for definitely being smarter than I.
mswirski said:
Everything on XDA must be GPL. This means you must share the source code for all of the work that you do. This makes sense because your constantly building on others efforts, and should give credit where it is do. Also being built on linux means the very foundations of android are GPL.
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This part is not completely true.
Only code that is licensed under the GPL, such as kernel code, must be shared. Code from other licenses like Apache (which covers the userspace of Android), are not required to be shared and so don't have to be.
So basically, Thor doesn't have to release source for his ROM's, but he DOES for his kernel. He's been asked to several times but flatly refuses and the only reason ever give is that people steal his work, which is nonesense as it's not his work to start with.
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
There is no real reason to suspect Thor is doing anything untoward in his ROM. It's possible he is, but it's equally possible he isn't. The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers who's work he is stealing.
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The main objection is the blatant disregard he shows to the thousands of developers whose work he is stealing.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy?
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
blancocar said:
Reading this thread is making me paranoid.
I have installed several different ROMs on my new A500. I keep going back to Thor's 14.2 ROM. For what I want out of my tablet, it is my favorite. He does great work.
Any reason to think Thor is trustworthy or untrustworthy? I am considering abandoning the Thor 14.2 ROM because blatantly violating the GPL agreement just isn't cool and having concerns about what he may or may not be doing in the background kinda sucks.
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The problem is that without him publishing his source code, you'll never know what he's doing.
Not saying he is, or isn't doing anything in the background. Thanks to the GPL most of the major phone carriers were caught using Carrier IQ (Google that if you'd like a real scare), and without Thor's source code, you'll never know without him publishing his source.
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No, sorry, I have nothing better to contribute right now, I just thought Floatie needs some attention.
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Well, ignoring GPL license and just ripping off the work of others does show some questionable personality traits, but other than that I don't see any reason to suspect he'd actually be spying on people. Of course, there's no saying he won't start doing it sometime in the future if he's offered enough "incentive" to do so.
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+999,999,999
Floatie.. HOW CUTE
+++++++1
You gotta love xda...
he is not the only cutie on here . Just saying..
I think thor is only hiding the fact that the work is not really his... But feels Bigger then others .. so he hides ... but who knows for sure..
I do know that devs come up with some awesome feature to put in their roms, this happened on the sgs2 forum with the Rarity rom. The dev shared his idea and the next thing was 1 or 2 new roms incorporating what he wanted to do but hadn't finished yet.
I know this is done in the spirit of sharing and to benefit the community but when things you are working hard to do are essentially copied and take away your moment of triumph, the fact you can say "I did this first", then it does get frustrating.... We lost a kickass dev over that...
Thor maybe up to no good or he may have a few things he wants to improve on before releasing to the community, only time will tell, and you may never know....
Hey every body,
I'm new user of the Acer Iconia A500, coming from DHD
As most people here I think, I wanted to try new ROMs before choosing the most stable and fast one ...
So I tried first to find ICS ROMs, and I found 2 threads:
Thor2002ro ROM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356489
Blazingwolf ROM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1353252
But those 2 threads are closed ... And when reading these forums, I don't really understand why they re closed ...
Can someone explain me why these 2 projects are closed? Because both of them are continuing their work on other forums ...
Thanks !
something about gpl compliance. the thor rom is good (it would be my daily if the camera worked) but it cant be linked to here for gpl reasons. we can discuss it though.
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something about gpl compliance. the thor rom is good (it would be my daily if the camera worked) but it cant be linked to here for gpl reasons. we can discuss it though.
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Thanks for answer ...
XDA is GPL, no?
so is it because thor doesn't want to use same license ?
That's a pity for everyone: he's ROM don't hava as much visibility (and it's already pretty good) and XDA doesn't have good ICS ROM for A500 yet ... I can't see anyone that is not loosing with this situation :-/
bengal92 said:
Thanks for answer ...
XDA is GPL, no?
so is it because thor doesn't want to use same license ?
That's a pity for everyone: he's ROM don't hava as much visibility (and it's already pretty good) and XDA doesn't have good ICS ROM for A500 yet ... I can't see anyone that is not loosing with this situation :-/
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as far as i know, its a legal issue. i'm no lawyer, this is just what i've gathered over a 2 year period of using android devices. android is open source, therefore its illegal to not post your source code when you make something from it. thor wont release his code, therefore thor's work isnt allowed to be posted here.
sure, everyone could benefit once his rom is100% functional, but I can also argue that everyone can benefit from having microsoft office on their PC as well that doesnt mean I can post a torrent for office cracks.
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as far as i know, its a legal issue. i'm no lawyer, this is just what i've gathered over a 2 year period of using android devices. android is open source, therefore its illegal to not post your source code when you make something from it. thor wont release his code, therefore thor's work isnt allowed to be posted here.
sure, everyone could benefit once his rom is100% functional, but I can also argue that everyone can benefit from having microsoft office on their PC as well that doesnt mean I can post a torrent for office cracks.
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Thanks a lot for these explanations ...
Maybe I'll change ROM then ... ^^
nifterific said:
as far as i know, its a legal issue. i'm no lawyer, this is just what i've gathered over a 2 year period of using android devices. android is open source, therefore its illegal to not post your source code when you make something from it. thor wont release his code, therefore thor's work isnt allowed to be posted here.
sure, everyone could benefit once his rom is100% functional, but I can also argue that everyone can benefit from having microsoft office on their PC as well that doesnt mean I can post a torrent for office cracks.
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bengal92 said:
Thanks a lot for these explanations ...
Maybe I'll change ROM then ... ^^
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Android itself is licensed under the Apache 2 license agreement, which allows people to make modification to source without sharing. But the kernel itself is a Linux kernel, which is covered under the GPL v2. Any release of the binaries must either include the source with the binaries or a link has to be publicly posted to the source repository and the source repository must be made publicly available without restrictions. My understanding is they have not complied with that section, so their roms violate the GPL.
So long as they don't post the link, they can't link the rom on XDA, as this will violate XDA's terms of use.
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Android itself is licensed under the Apache 2 license agreement, which allows people to make modification to source without sharing. But the kernel itself is a Linux kernel, which is covered under the GPL v2. Any release of the binaries must either include the source with the binaries or a link has to be publicly posted to the source repository and the source repository must be made publicly available without restrictions. My understanding is they have not complied with that section, so their roms violate the GPL.
So long as they don't post the link, they can't link the rom on XDA, as this will violate XDA's terms of use.
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Well ... Hope Thor2002ro will read this post then ...
Because if that's only about publishing a ICS kernel compliant with Iconia A500, that's really sad ...
Thanks a lot for your explanations !
bengal92 said:
Well ... Hope Thor2002ro will read this post then ...
Because if that's only about publishing a ICS kernel compliant with Iconia A500, that's really sad ...
Thanks a lot for your explanations !
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Thor is well aware of his non-compliance and doesn't really care. It's a damn shame really as he's a good dev, but XDA have to protect themselves from possible legal action so Thor's ROM's aren't allowed.
FloatingFatMan said:
Thor is well aware of his non-compliance and doesn't really care. It's a damn shame really as he's a good dev, but XDA have to protect themselves from possible legal action so Thor's ROM's aren't allowed.
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OK. So it's pointless to try to convince him
=> tonight, I reflash my tab ....
I'll try Taboonay. Someone has other ROM to suggest?
thanks everyone for your quick answer
Ok
Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.
yeah, I saw this too. It seems the only time a thread gets attention from a mod is if Thor is mentioned. The rules are followed, yet the thread gets locked or deleted. Yet the rest of the sub forums are a mess. It is definitely clear that it's a vendetta now. Thread to disappear in 3,2,....
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Remember that XDA is huge... so some things slip through. If they do, you can always flag a post for review... That said, removing the offenders would be even worse, as (particularly new) members might violate the rules without noticing... Of course, some people just won't accept the rules, and I guess they are eventually banned. Other than that, the forum rules clearly say "no warez" -- and, from a purely legal point of view, Thor's kernel qualifies.
I would say purely because the moderation of the a500 forums has been so lacking for so long. Now they finally get sick of flame threads being flagged they decide to just nuke anything to do with the cause of 95% of the nuisance posts: THOR and anything to do with him.
OP Really has come across as a Troll account to me though TBH, sorry if I am wrong but can't you just let it go? You are like a dog with a bone, go to his unmentionable forums and hang out there if you don't like the rules?
He has followed the rules, even directly from the horses mouth. The rules state no links may be posted, that's it, that's all. Discussion is fine. There's even an ICS theme thread that's been going on for awhile for thors Rom.
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Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.
Personally I have zero interest in Thor's stuff and I find his behaviour to be petty, childish and, again, hypocritical -- "I use other devs' stuff but I don't want other people to use my stuff!" -- but I still think people should be allowed to discuss his stuff here. We do not lose anything as a community even if we allow people to discuss topics they find interesting, but we certainly do lose something if we start censoring discussions just on the basis of who they are about!
Just my 2 cents, here.
Aaron Camp said:
Yep.
I created an account 3 (!!) years ago just so I could be a "troll".
Looking at post counts vs time we seem to be about the same......lurkers who post when meaningful. I do spend a lot of time at the "unmentionable" forum. I also keep tabs here to see if there is anything worthwhile...unfortunately less and less recently. Show me one post (other than 1 deleted one that was a clean call by the mod) where I did NOT 100% address the topic of the thread. Just because some one does not like the answer does not make it a troll post.... those whos some total of input is "sputter sputter GPL sputter stammer froth sputter" those are trolls.
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Hey I did say sorry if I was wrong!
Maybe one of the mods rubbed you the wrong way and you decided to be defiant? I don't actually disagree with any of your points, I just don't see the point in constantly questioning the mods or the rules when it won't get you anywhere?
Correct me if I missed something but it pretty much went
*Getting a thread closed due to mentioning Thor and people jumped in and started **** (as most mentions of him tend to do).
*Then instead of letting it go, posted a similar topic saying go to Thors site...he's working on stuff you want!
* Now after that thread failed you go ahead and call out the Moderators to what end? An apology?
It does seem the Moderators are more active in here now though, which can only be a good thing...if you are to blame in some way, thank you! lol
Update to reply to WereCatf instead of double posting: I agree 100% the mods deleting the threads is silly, they should only delete clear violations or flame wars. People will behave if the Mods stay as active as they have been the last couple of days and we can all discuss anything without starting **** storms and having threads deleted or people banned.
Great summation for the past 2 week "thor gate".
Honestly trying to understand the rules. I am a long time lurker/poster. I was actually around when thor was deving here. There is zero consistency so no one knows the rules. Tth thread that was deleted had over 500 views and was 2 pages long. I ddint see anything in it that was flamebate and I was very very careful to keep it 100% legit by all posted rules and previous mod comments. All of a sudden....poof. Add to that a complete lack of response via pm from the mod and it did leave a bad taste.
To be honest the whole thor issue comes down to opinion on who's right and who's wrong. It could go either way. He is clearly outside the bounds of xda though....no grey there, but from a personal level as to people stealing his hard work, I am behind him 100%.
Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.
Aaron Camp said:
Hell its been 2 days on this thread and no mod or "authority" has responded at all. In my book a poorly modded forum is worse than an unmodded one every time.
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Mate, just let go. Don't expect a response from mods, they are likely busy, plus they likely have better things to do than to respond to threads like this. I mean, man, let go now and go do something useful. If they respond to this thread then good, if they don't you're just wasting your time at being unproductive.
I'm new to the community so I don't have an opinion about a certain hammer wielding developer. However, why the F*** do people want XDA to support his stuff when he has a whole site devoted to that?
Jim
Aaron Camp said:
Ok
Having had a number of threads crapped, locked and deleted I am now asking (since mods dont answer PMs with the question)
Why can we have threads asking for help getting Thors mod running but we can not have threads discussing Thors upcoming Roms and cornerstone?
Not flaming, not causing controversy, just asking. So far I have seen multiple threads locked and my very polite, very clear, very 100% legal thread deleted with no notice or explanation and no response from mods.
I and others would just like to see a constant and even hand when it comes to Thor. Can we or can we not discuss his work, and if so, then can we have the mods remove the offenders and not the threads.
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He has a forum use his forum to discuss how mods installed etc
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Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.
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Thats kinda the point of this and other threads. There are other Roms out there beyond XDA. XDA in almost all other cases has no problem discussing them, referencing them, and even helping troublshoot them. XDA is very clear on what a ROM must be to be hosted here. Thor can not be hosted. No one argues that. We (and yes there are many who agree with me) just want to be able to discuss Thor here without the rabid anti-Thor crowd running in and crapping threads. As someone above said its become clear that it is a vendetta against Thor for some. If it is great, admit it, come clean and post clearly to all that XDA will not allow discussion of Thor, or moderate those who are crapping threads and let the discussion continue.
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One of the things about XDA, is that you can discuss general things regardless. And of people have issues with a rom, no matter who it comes from, then that falls under the apache license. Not GPL which has to do with the kernel itself. Something to that effect.
Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it, and use any mention of the name, as an excuse to "carry on the crusade", most of whom have not an inkling of what happened in the first place. They just react on what is recently known, and then again, only "hearsay".
So to discuss problem with an android rom, regardless of where it came from, is quite ok. But if the "crusaders" (on both ends) cause too much of a ruckus, which normally happens, the Mods will shut it down.
If people keep it civil, then things will be ok. Discuss the problems at hand, and ignore those who get their jollies trying to turn it into something else.
Not another Erica Post!!!!!!! Ohhh no!!!!
I Totally agree with Moscow..For me the biggest issue is . I see and post to all the threads Asking for Acer to release ICS. Then there are threads asking for GPL Compliant ICS. In those threads the flaming starts when people come in shouting there is ics and im running it now. Go to Here xxxxx to get it.. Its perfect its good the dev is above and beyond all..
The above is what has started this flaming war.. IF someone starts posting that he is so great so much above and better then everyone else. The flaming will start. As stated above i kinda agree that discussing issues solving basic android apps and issues on his rom is likely ok. But when People start putting xxxx as being better then everyone else is again when it will become a flaming thread. Unfortunately xda is a community for all.Everyone will give there opinion.Its a two sided story.I was using the above mentioned stuff until way back.I seen everything that went wrong.it would have took one Tiny Link to Source code solve this whole mess.
so keep this thread clean from the he has the right to not share and you MIGHT NOT GET FLAMED. IF you are lucky.. Whats right is Right.and there is a huge wrong happening.As i FLAME If you will ACER Everyday in email facebook twitter there automated help on there website. Over the boot loader . Will it help NO. But like equality for all in the US. sitting on your butt surely will fail..
Just my 3.well maybe 4 pennies..
Sorry if this is considered out of line for your Thread..
As far as cornerstone. I really do hope he gets its Working within his rom.As this is something that can be stripped out and Used in the Acer rom when pushed.Thou im not sure how will it will work with the acer ring as that also makes major changes to the same files as cornerstone.
Peacefully .. Me
Moscow Desire said:
Discussing Thors rom, does not violate any license agreement, nor XDA policy. Direct links to Thors kernel, or rom or code containing such kernel, does.
This has been stated by Mod's time and time again. Some people, just don't get it,....
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And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.
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The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area.
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Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."
WereCatf said:
Just pointing out that that is not true. It is in violation of GPL, that's that. It is a fact, not "grey area."
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Well, you stretch the truth. To suit your needs.
Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule. The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
Now, if I flash RTripps kernel, using Thor's rom, are you to say I am violating GPL? No, and neither is RTripp or Thor.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
Of course if the cross comes to bear,,, well, that's just the way it is.
Moscow Desire said:
Discussing of Thors rom breaks no rule.
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I never claimed that. Just look at the previous page where I said people should be allowed to discuss it.
The "rom" itself does not fall under GPL, but under Apache. Only the specific kernel falls under GPL.
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As long as the kernel is distributed as part of it, then yes, it does. If he were to distribute them separately then what you claim would be true.
GPL specifically states "Kernel".
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No, it doesn't. GPL applies to any GPL-licensed software.
So if a user, wants to ask questions, about a specific rom, well, nobody is violating any rules. Which is why the mods, have not intervened.
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Again, you're barking up the wrong tree there.
Aaron Camp said:
And this is the issue I am bringing up! I miss read the policy. The thread where I posted the direct link to Thor was locked. That was fine. I created a new thread that did not LINK. It DISCUSSED. It was 100% within the posted and stated rules of XDA, but that thread was DELETED!!
As for what really happened, I too was around, and read all the same threads you read. The issue of hosting the ROM is very cut and dry, it is not XDA material. The issue of if Thors ROM is legal, warez, violation of GPL etc is NOT cut and dry and is very much in a grey area. You can argue all you want about the rights or wrongs (ok, maybe not on this board!! ) of how Thor was treated by XDA mods etc.
I just want to make sure people passing through know about another GREAT ROM for a great tablet, and would also like to see XDA get back to being a well moderated (even handed) forum that is open to all discussion on relevant topics.
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The real problem is the fact that any discussions on Thor or his works immediately brings about the heated arguments from both sides of the fence. There is just very little possibility that people here can carry on a discussion that is JUST about the ROM and issues/experiences using it. There are only a few ways it can be carried out here (and seriously correct me if you think I am wrong):
You start your nice thread to discuss issues with Thor's ICS ROM, you put in your OP that this is simply a discussion, no linking allowed, you can even put a disclaimer like "If anyone has an issue with this discussion, please bring to a MOD's attention instead of posting your opposition here". But...
1. someone feels it is their responsibility to post why they are against this. Or...
2. someone is going to post asking why we cannot provide a link, or where to find the ROM, or why isn't it in the development section... or...
3. someone is going to feel they need to retaliate when someone does one of the above.
Either way, one outcome, the argument will get heated, and the mods will be forced to step in and take action. If they feel there is no salvation for the thread, they will close or delete it. End of discussion.
So, really, the content of the discussion is not really the issue at hand, but how the discussions are generally (always?) carried out.