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http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living
yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.
Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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xHausx said:
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.
I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
Edit: From the article:
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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Is it possible? Cuz I bought an Epic frm craigslist but I dont know if I should go with boost for 3g speeds or just take the chance with metro...And I live in South Florida in 4g coverage area for metro
I highly doubt it, Sprint is the only company offering WiMax 4g is the US as far as I know.
Metro pcs has lte/wimax in a few cities. If they are usng the same spectrum then your chances are good that somebody can make a work around for that. Which I go to detroit mi once a week and they have their 4g there so I would use it if someone does this?
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Yeah but it's just to find the genius who could do it...A couple of stores are near tom me but I doubt they could...I'll just wait or search my good friend Google til something pops up
How is the Epic going to work on MetroPCS' 4g? Doesn't Metro's 4g network run on LTE 1700 / 1900mhz in the very few areas they have 4g?
Sprint's WiMax/4g runs on 2.5ghz (2500mhz), so how would the Epic pick up a Metro 4g signal?
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Metro pcs has lte/wimax in a few cities. If they are usng the same spectrum then your chances are good that somebody can make a work around for that. Which I go to detroit mi once a week and they have their 4g there so I would use it if someone does this?
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MetroPCS does not have WiMax. They use LTE (1700/1900) for their 4g. Sprint/Clear (and partners like Comcast/Time Warner e.t.c) use WiMax.
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MetroPCS does not have WiMax. They use LTE (1700/1900) for their 4g. Sprint/Clear (and partners like Comcast/Time Warner e.t.c) use WiMax.
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This was the point I was making, but wasn't sure if maybe they hooked up with Sprint at some point in time recently. We don't have Metro available in Tennessee...at least not that I have seen.
Metro and sprint use 2 completely different technologies.
If they used wimax and sprint had no wimax in the area, you should be able to 4g roam, but since sprint is essentially the only major provider its kindaa hard to get on someone elses wimax network
What I wanna know is can a metro pcs lte phone roam off verizon/any form of lte on the same frequency?
EDIT: nevermind. Verizon uses 700mhz
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Well, you could always double down and get a Clear account!
Thanx for the replies people...Guess I'll just go with boost & satisfy with 3g speeds
Is that is updated Gingerbread or it is just because Nexus S 4G has a different hardware then Nexus S?
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/23/hands-on-with-sprints-nexus-s-4g/
The baseband is newer I think as is the build number?? perhaps one of our more technical members can confirm?
Interesting.....
The build seems to be newest...
GRI40 or GRI54 in 2.3.3 and this is GRI75
Probably to add wimax support, also epst settings maybe all cdma phones have that
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It would make sense that the baseband and build are different. After all, the radios for Sprint, both 3g and 4g, are completely different technologies than what we have in our plain Nexus S phones.
That also begs the question: If you're not in a Sprint 4g area, or are in an area where coverage is crappy, can you use data and voice simultaneously over the 3g? This is a common CDMA problem. I'm thinking you cant. Sucks to be those guys...
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It would make sense that the baseband and build are different. After all, the radios for Sprint, both 3g and 4g, are completely different technologies than what we have in our plain Nexus S phones.
That also begs the question: If you're not in a Sprint 4g area, or are in an area where coverage is crappy, can you use data and voice simultaneously over the 3g? This is a common CDMA problem. I'm thinking you cant. Sucks to be those guys...
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No - AFAIK there's only one phone that supports simultaneous voice and data over EVDO and that's the Thunderbolt. Normally the phones drop to 1xRTT when a call is initiated (at which point data says goodbye).
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It would make sense that the baseband and build are different. After all, the radios for Sprint, both 3g and 4g, are completely different technologies than what we have in our plain Nexus S phones.
That also begs the question: If you're not in a Sprint 4g area, or are in an area where coverage is crappy, can you use data and voice simultaneously over the 3g? This is a common CDMA problem. I'm thinking you cant. Sucks to be those guys...
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On cdma 3g only no voice and data at the same time. Wifi data and calling works.
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U can't use data and voice at the same time on cdma?
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Nope
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Nope unless you use WiFi or
4G man I can't wait to get this phone
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Nope unless you use WiFi or
4G man I can't wait to get this phone
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Me too, and for four hundred off contract just the extra icing on the cake
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No - AFAIK there's only one phone that supports simultaneous voice and data over EVDO and that's the Thunderbolt.
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Not entirely true. All of Sprints WiMax phones do as well. EVO, Samsung Epic, etc.
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Not entirely true. All of Sprints WiMax phones do as well. EVO, Samsung Epic, etc.
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No they do not..THERE IS NO SPRINT PHONE THAT SUPPORTS SIMULTANEOUS VOICE AND DATA OVER 3G EVDO. Only over wifi or 4g wimax.
For now, only VZW's Thunderbolt does voice and data over 3G EVDO in regards to CDMA.
Yep tmobiles version gets me 6mbps download and 1.5 upload anyways. Id say try in your area before you buy 2.3.4 is not a os change really
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No they do not..THERE IS NO SPRINT PHONE THAT SUPPORTS SIMULTANEOUS VOICE AND DATA OVER 3G EVDO. Only over wifi or 4g wimax.
For now, only VZW's Thunderbolt does voice and data over 3G EVDO in regards to CDMA.
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That's correct and the Thunderbolt uses SVDO not EVDO which is what allows simultaneous data and voice.
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That's correct and the Thunderbolt uses SVDO not EVDO which is what allows simultaneous data and voice.
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Thanks for the additional info.
I don't know if Sprint is waiting for their Network Vision/1X Advanced to be activated on a few select markets later this year, but they have pre-production phones with the SVDO chipset.
from what i heard there are some system updates and bug fixes, most important is voice chat and video chat is now available in Google talk
Video calling over Gtalk.
How is it Metro pcs already has 4G LTE, and AT&T does, Whats the hold up?
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How is it Metro pcs already has 4G LTE, and AT&T does, Whats the hold up?
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it's a completely different network to set up and unlike metro pcs, att has a whole nationwide network to think about rather than just a few metropolitan areas.
Metro uses Verizon towers IIRC.
So it's possible they have a lease deal for LTE usage.
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MetroPCS LTE is horrible! I tried it and got the ATT Atrix at the same time. A speedtest showed only getting 1.5MB over Metro LTE and im getting over 2MB on ATT HSPDA+ without backhaul....
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Metro uses Verizon towers IIRC.
So it's possible they have a lease deal for LTE usage.
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Their LTE is actually VZW independent. They have had LTE before Verizon actually released LTE to anyone.
I just tried it and it works. Did not work on my 4s.
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Would help if you mentioned carrier. I am assuming you're referring to Verizon LTE as ATT and T-Mobile support this since they are GSM.
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I just tried it and it works. Did not work on my 4s. I'm sorry. For sprint.
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I know on Verizon this is only possible when on LTE. On 3G it's still impossible due to the nature of CDMA.
Yeah know that. But it's still working on 3g in Memphis Tn.
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Works on my htc rezound on lte and i'm fairly certain it's the only phone save the thunderbolt that can also do it on cdma.
EDIT: Yup, works like a champ!
On SIII on vzw 3g also works when on calls
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Read somewhere that this was possible due to the dual radios in the phone...
And I just tried it... and it worked, so yes, it can do voice and data simultaneously!
data and calls work on sprint simultaneously 3g and LTE (in theory LTE anyway)
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I know on Verizon this is only possible when on LTE. On 3G it's still impossible due to the nature of CDMA.
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Both rezound and thunderbolt can do data and voice over 3G cdma as they both have dual 3G radios.
I didn't think the GSIII could though. Am I reading right that people with sprint and this phone can?
That'd be nice if the Verizon version can. One thing I love about my rezound.
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I know on Verizon this is only possible when on LTE. On 3G it's still impossible due to the nature of CDMA.
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it's not actually a limitation of cdma, it's a limitation of Verizon, and i actually believe it's an artificial limitation, likely to "protect their network and users", as they like to claim for everything....
i have done it a few times on my Sprint gs3, on 3g, since I'm stuck without lte in my city right now.
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it's not actually a limitation of cdma, it's a limitation of Verizon, and i actually believe it's an artificial limitation, likely to "protect their network and users", as they like to claim for everything....
i have done it a few times on my Sprint gs3, on 3g, since I'm stuck without lte in my city right now.
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If you read my post above yours...you'll find you are not right.
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This works on my sprint sg3 and it works on the evo lte... Which one of my main reasons for upgrading to a new phone. This s due to the separation of the radios that prevented this before.
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Yeah know that. But it's still working on 3g in Memphis Tn.
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Again no carrier? if on ATT then it always worked.
Sorry I saw you said sprint in an earlier post.
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I just tried it and it works. Did not work on my 4s.
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As in, be on a phone call and browse the net at the same time? Yep....but I've been able to do that since my Atrix 2....dont remember if my x10 could.
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I was just doing some WiFi tethering and I received a phone call... Noticed I was still getting emails. My first thought was that my laptop automatically reconnected to my work's wireless connection. NOPE! I verified again with an outbound call... Data works on the phone and over tether DURING the phone call. Supposedly this was going to be a feature of EVDO Rev. A, but Sprint had not initiated it yet. This is freaking fantastic. I guess our phones started using 3G for voice
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Sprint enabled this under their network as part of Sprint Vision. It is basically an advanced 1X data network that allows data while on phone calls. Only the newer phones with certain frequencies support it. Doesn't force us to use 4G or Wi-Fi if we want data and phone calls together. IPhones do not support this unless you're on a GSM network which Sprint isn't. Sprint is CDMA like Verizon.
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I noticed this during a call yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised. When I was reading about this earlier, I thought it would be a feature supported only by towers that had eHRPD support but this is pretty awesome in itself.
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I know on Verizon this is only possible when on LTE. On 3G it's still impossible due to the nature of CDMA.
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It is possible with the Thunderbolt, and Rezound on Verizon. It also works with GSIII. I was a little torn about getting this phone since I figured I would lose this functionality but was pleasantly surprised when I did a test for s & g's.