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Xperia Arc

Xperia Arc is the latest smartphone by Sony Ericsson that runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread with a custom skin, a 1GHz processor, 4.2” Reality display with Sony Mobile BRAVIA® Engine and an 8MP camera. I will definitely buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

antonymilo said:
Xperia Arc is the latest smartphone by Sony Ericsson that runs Android 2.3 Gingerbread with a custom skin, a 1GHz processor, 4.2” Reality display with Sony Mobile BRAVIA® Engine and an 8MP camera. I will definitely buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?

rajasyaitan said:
It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?
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Didn't you hear? Just adding "_____ ENGINE" to any phone will guarantee the clueless consumers will buy in masses!!
Unfortunately, it comes with a single-core CPU.

And they took the sensor from the Cybershot. Won't be out until April though.

It was about time for a 1GHz
Anyway I still faithful to HTC

Sony will be a lot left behind with those specs to be able to compete this year with other phone manufactures because other manufactures will offer dual-cored procs.
1GHz Procs? 512MB?...hey...my Desire already has those specs (with older hardwares of course).
The word "BRAVIA-ENGINE" alone will not be able to withstand the dual-core waves.
My next smartphone will have:
Dual-cored proc
independent graphic proc
1GB RAM
at least 1.5GB internal memory
SD Card slot
HDMI output
USB connnection
Most important: latest available Android version
(No tablets for me)
Currently, I am drooling over the Motorola ATRIX...but wanna wait untill all manufactures has been distributing those dual-cores smarties.

rajasyaitan said:
It is the design and the Mobile BRAVIA Engine isn't it?
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lude219 said:
Didn't you hear? Just adding "_____ ENGINE" to any phone will guarantee the clueless consumers will buy in masses!!
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kinda like seeing a huge rear wing and fart can exhaust on a '98 acura integra

How much will be Xperia Arc ?

aaa said:
independent graphic proc
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You might have to wait a while on that. It will be a LONG time before AMD or NVIDIA release graphics card for mobile phones. Everything else seems fairly reasonable though.
The Xperia Arc does use the newer snapdragon chips so that is a plus in my book.

aaa said:
Most important: latest available Android version
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This...If there is anything I learned from owning an X10 is that updates are slow and Sony Ericsson locks down the phone tighter than a nun's...Well you know where I'm going with that.

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If the arc had a dual core cpu the combination of the cpu and the screen would make the battary discharge in half an hour.
Always judge a product from the whole and the final output rather than an individual characteristic. So it has been fully optimize the software, then a single core processor can be much better than a dual core on a cell that has to lift a buggy operating system. See the benchmark http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...on-xperia-arc/preview/sshots/gsmarena_025.jpg and you will understand.
So the overall performance is what counts. If the mobile is scrolling comfortable as we care what processor time? Just to say 'look I have dual core cpu on my mobile'?.The psp has a single core 333mz and it can ran better than any smart phone.the OS is the key!
And because we get around, do not say that anything is 1Ghz!Did we say things that we have the best (on paper) and lose the substance. As a tear drops because Arc has 8Mpx camera and not 12. If you tell them that it is better than the previous 8Mp and the 12mp they would not understand.Rather prefer to buy a desktop pc if i look for the 1gb ram the 2 core cpu...And all because we have put in one meaningless match, the first megapixel now with ghz processor and mb of Ram.
FRIENDLY

i forgot to say tha 2.4 ginger http://static.techspot.com/fileshost/newspics3/2010/android_24_leaked.jpg
and 3.0 honeycomp would be official http://blog.dialaphone.co.uk/2011/0...-honeycomb-doesnt-need-a-dual-core-processor/
the other phones i think that the would released with the froyo 2.2 not 2.3 ginger. so if you buy the dual core cpu phones you have to wait 2-3 months for the ginger if u preffer the arc you would update in 2-3 months to 2.4 or 3.0...your choice....

That's sounds all nice and good but you're forgetting an important factor. When was the last time Sony Ericsson put out a smart phone on time?
I think you're going to be waiting a lot longer than you think.

as u say it will take some time..thanks for that!
we must wait!also this is not the final edition of the phone...

antonymilo said:
If the arc had a dual core cpu the combination of the cpu and the screen would make the battary discharge in half an hour.
Always judge a product from the whole and the final output rather than an individual characteristic. So it has been fully optimize the software, then a single core processor can be much better than a dual core on a cell that has to lift a buggy operating system. See the benchmark http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...on-xperia-arc/preview/sshots/gsmarena_025.jpg and you will understand.
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What does that benchmark proves? That a 2nd generation CPU is better than a 1st generation? Have you even seen the benchmark for dual core (think +2200 and up)? Did you know dual cores have just as good of a power management as a single core? Did you know the matrix 4G has a 1930mah battery and can last 10hrs of talk time even on 3G while still having a 10mm waistline?
I'm not gonna lie, the design of the Arc is downright amazing (undoubtedly best one out of CES), but other than that, I'd be stupid of purchasing one when there are much better phones out there.

Like i sayed before if the mobile is scrolling comfortable as we care what processor time? Just to say 'look I have dual core cpu on my mobile'?.The psp has a single core 333mz and it can ran better than any smart phone.The design plus the camera plus the screen plus the gin 2.3 and the confirmiration of the 3.0 honeycomp made me take the decision to buy that.the MES is in february so we must wait to take the final decision. Although the Htc Thunderbolt is a very good choce(hightech phone)!The cpu MSM8960 1.2 dual and adreno 3000 would be awesome!but i don't like design.It's like all the htc devices....

This is SE we're talking about, so it's laughable that you're even talking about OS update. Remember what happen in the past? I'm sure people who have X1, X2 and X10 do...
Yes, you should care about processing time. The less time it takes to carry out an instruction/start/run a progam, the least amount of drainage on the battery (equating to less heat generated by the CPU). Scrolling would probably be 2x smoother on a dual core compare to the 2nd gen single core.
Here's an analogy, what's more tiring to your body? Flying in 1st class from the UK to Italy or driving from UK to Italy? Technology is no different. The less time you spend doing any task, the more time you have doing other stuff and the less exhaustive the phone is.

I think u are right!i have a x1 and i know how annoying is that the other phones have the 6.5 and me the 6.1 win mo.But the xda developers have done their trick so i am not afraid about the updates!!!!!!!

canadariot2312 said:
And they took the sensor from the Cybershot. Won't be out until April though.
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April, hell !
If that's true, that would be bad...
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I have to extend my contract here in Holland between April 19 and June 19. I pre ordered one at my local phone shop. i can sell it for good money right away on the internet for sure and buy myself a decent phone if i don't like it, but damn it looks great, i have to find out for myself what it is like....
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Samsung Galaxy Z unveiled: Tegra 2, 4.2-inch SC-LCD

I think this is the Tegra version known as i9101 or i9103?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_z_appears_in_sweden_tegra_2_42inch_sclcd-news-2838.php

Wow, that's an Iphone replica Just kidding. Still voting for my lovely yellow tinted SII

You can see a quick preview here :
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9103_galaxy_z-review-614.php
I wanted to buy a galaxy s but now i'm hesitating

This is going to smother the LG O2X. Samsung plans on controlling the market for high end androids and it looks like its going to succeed by having a galaxy at every possible pricepoint.

Why would you hesitate as its not as good as the s2, dual 1ghz, 720p recording, no s-amoled screen and 8gb storage seems to be a more entry level version than anything else.

Tegra 2 beats Exynos once all the variables are similar.
~4000 quadrant stock and still clocked lower.
LOL

KingKuba13 said:
Tegra 2 beats Exynos once all the variables are similar.
~4000 quadrant stock and still clocked lower.
LOL
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well, take that with a grain of salt, why is Galaxy Z 50% faster in quadrant than LG O2X using the same platform?

It looks more like a face-lifted Galaxy S than a SGS2 variant.

tjtj4444 said:
well, take that with a grain of salt, why is Galaxy Z 50% faster in quadrant than LG O2X using the same platform?
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Twice the RAM than O2X for one and probably clocked to 1.2ghz (1ghz O2X).

This is the baby version of s2.

was this the rumoured sgs3 ?

AvRS said:
Why would you hesitate as its not as good as the s2, dual 1ghz, 720p recording, no s-amoled screen and 8gb storage seems to be a more entry level version than anything else.
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Tegra 2 clocks higher (faster clock vs clock), more optimized applications, other Tegra 2 devices are recording in 1080p (so that would come in later update/mod), Super LCD is just as good if not better than Super AMOLED+ w/ no yellowing/uneven colors with better color accuracy (also it is a 24-bit screen vs 16).

AvRS said:
Why would you hesitate as its not as good as the s2, dual 1ghz, 720p recording, no s-amoled screen and 8gb storage seems to be a more entry level version than anything else.
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If Tegra2 is entry level then damn we've come a long way in the past few months I know what you mean though. I'm a geek so it's no choice in my mind either, I'd still have bought the S2 if these two devices were released together. But if this is priced nicely it could reach a whole other group of consumers that the S2 was too rich for.

Hollow.Droid said:
1 I'd still have bought the S2 if these two devices were released together.
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+1
The SGSZ also doesn't appear to have HDMI, Wi-Fi Direct, USB2G, and Bluetooth 3.0. Let's hope it doesn't have the SGS1 GPS chip.

KingKuba13 said:
Tegra 2 beats Exynos once all the variables are similar.
~4000 quadrant stock and still clocked lower.
LOL
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This means absolutely nothing. SGS2 can't go higher than 60fps, after all that's the screen refresh rate so anything higher is just a waste of battery. Now you might want to ask yourself why Tegra 2's fps limit is higher. Nvidia have been in the game a long time, they know how to cheat in benchmarks.
Besides you should compare benchmarks that pushes these phones, Quadrant is very flawed and afaik not even multithreaded. I managed to score 1700 with my old Legend with a 600 MHz ARMv11 CPU clocked to 786 and data2ext hack.
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quadrant standard isnt the best way to decide on the speed. Even some of our own rom devs for the s2 can cook a hack into the rom. I have already benched in the 4000's on the old lite'ning rom. Its not hard. BTW, tegra is nice and all because im an nvidia fan, but it is not better if you ask me-maybe once properly optimized it will be better for gaming, but i couldnt care less about ps1 graphics on a phone.
Rex-tc! im surprised to see you here! You tried your best to defend the atrix yet you post here!!! Coming over to the darkside i c

Wrong naming schema. Should be Galaxy S2 - Lite

rd_nest said:
Wrong naming schema. Should be Galaxy S2 - Lite
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Or HiPhone 5

Sp1tfire said:
Or HiPhone 5
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Sorry to break the myth, it already exists

It's no GS2.

I played with the Arc today and...

First off, I don't want any fanboy reactions from SGS2 users or what kind of other phone. I'm just wondering why we don't have got it?
Today I played with the Arc of my nephew. And what must I say? We updated to the newest firmware before starting.
I must say that our x10 has received a very very very crappy 2.3.3 update. The Arc has ALMOST NO lags. Everything runs smoother then on our x10. They both got 1Ghz processor, how did this happen?
Also battery life is MUCH better. x10 was on lowest brightness, Arc FULL brightness both connected with wifi. X10 had a simcard, and the Arc not. But damn? Our x10 lost so many % battery in constant use while the Arc just lost 1%!!! X10 has even custom rom...
Both phones similair processor, only newer generation on Arc. Both running same clockspeed. How the heck can our x10 then perform much and much worse?
Just a few things I'm wondering, and NO I'm not going to buy a Arc. I got better things to buy
By chance any developer then can fully uncap all FPS to 60 FPS on our x10. Including 3D. I'm not expecting 3D games to run 60FPs but atleast that they will be able to reach the max FPS our GPU can handle if uncapped... The only thing we've got uncapped is 2D graphics, nothing more... And 2D graphics on Arc are still smoother...
Who will be able to make us x10 perform better? Is it kernel related? Arc has newer kernel?
I know thread is a bit messy, but how the heck can a phone with almost similair hardware (just newer generation processor and some new things) perform so much much much better? You can't make me believe that the processor in the Arc is 100% faster... Both same clockspeed just some little improvements for energy and stronger GPU, and the UI has no heavy graphics... Arc = butter smooth in scrolling and all UI related stuff.
I believe SE is capping more then only the FPS?

Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
Both phones similair processor
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almost similair hardware
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Better processor would also mean better gpu...
It is the processor completely. Try any phone with that gen, its the same reason those phones can overclock to 1.8 ghz comfortably

Hey guys...
My Dell with a 2.4 ghz Pentium IV running win7 runs like crap compared to my Dell with a 2.4 ghz intel core and nvidia gtx 460. Why did Dell give us such an inferior Win7?
I mean, both laptops have the same speed but the core one lasts 4x as long as the old one! They're so similar but it's so *convenient* that the newer one is running win7 better.
Doesn't anyone else think that Dell is crapping our Win7 on purpose? It's a conspiracy folks!

I guess there are several clarifications needed.
1. X10's brightness is controlled by fluorescent illuminators as compared to Arc's LED backlit. have you ever wondered why sometimes the backlight doesn't dim smoothly? fluorescent illuminated display consumes hell lot more battery as compared to LED. this is rather self explanatory.
2. the process in x10's and arc's processor are different. x10 uses 65nm while arc uses 45nm. power consumption and efficiency in both are obviously different. performance wise, different too.
3. adreno 200 and adreno 205 are of major difference. adreno 205 enables hardware accelerated flash and rendering while 200 does not. adreno 200 is ancient FYI.
4. FPS on the x10 is uncapped to 55. i suppose that doesn't make much difference with 60?

There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
Cheers,
z

zdzihu said:
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
Cheers,
z
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Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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I don't think there is a way to directly overclock GPU on SoC. it's not like in PC we have a separate graphics card to run graphic rendering.
100MB RAM is dedicated to vRAM.

silveraero said:
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
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but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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you can overclock gpu by overclocking the whole processor. only gpu is not possible

KeizBaby said:
but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
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Did you read any of the thread?

Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
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No, but as mentioned before, you can overclock the whole chip.
Oodie said:
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
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The "missing memory" is used by Linux kernel (dsp, camera, encoder and) and is not accessible by user. This is common
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z

Old technology vs New technology...
go figure.

Thanks ToonXW , keizbaby and Z for repling. Got it now

So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3

Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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Flo95 said:
Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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It reacts better because it has better fps and multi touch...
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adham3322 said:
So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
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Custom kernels... We wait for semc sources...
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Already overclock CPU speed to 1.3GHz, install custom ROM if you want it.
The differences between the X10 and Arc are CPU, RAM, GPU. Same CPU name with different code 200-205, RAM: 384/512, GPU is included on CPU so new CPU technology mean better GPU. That why everything on ARC is smoother than X10. You must know exactly what you are talking about, not only the value of processor.

The x10 is pretty damn smooth now, I get all day usage from it, constantly on WiFi. The people complaining must have forgotten what 1.6 was like, it's night and day now.
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Arc VS Arc S "Details"

Hey Ppl
I have received an Arc S, then the other broke (Arc).
One of my friends has an Arc, so we tried and test them individually, and see what the difference was, at the Arc and Arc S.
Here is what came out. (We tested they both with antutu Benchmark, 5 times each)
The difference is small:
CPU: Arc S 1400Mhz, Arc 1000MHz (400MHz difference)
Ram: Arc S 335Mb, Arc 333MB (2MB RAM difference)
Memory internal: Arc S 420mb, Arc 380mb (40mb difference)
Graphics: Arc S has 5-8 more fps
Arc S 14.4 Mbps, Arc 7.2 Mbps
//dong

dong2007 said:
Ram: Arc S 335Mb, Arc 333MB (2MB RAM difference)
Memory internal: Arc S 420mb, Arc 380mb (40mb difference)
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The Arc and Arc S have the same amount of physical memory, so there is no difference in that situation.
The main improvement in the Arc S is in the chipset:
Arc S - HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps;
Arc - HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps;
The reason why the processor hardly brings much of an improvement is because it's just a clock speed bump, and from what I've seen with current ARM CPUs, architecture of the CPU makes more of a difference than it's clock speed.

Thelolinator said:
The Arc and Arc S have the same amount of physical memory, so there is no difference in that situation.
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Check my pictures....

I'd like to have 40MB more, strange they made it free on Arc S and not on Arc.
But how much is available to the user without any apps installed?
That's alaways lower than displayed. I think it are 280-300MB on Arc
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With link2sd, arc s kernel & the supercharger script.
sinkster©

on arc s screenshot it have 460mb ram it is faulty?

My ARC shows 335Mb, not 333Mb:
About the internal memory size, it seems it's just some space optimization looking at sinkster's screenshot.

Thelolinator said:
The reason why the processor hardly brings much of an improvement is because it's just a clock speed bump, and from what I've seen with current ARM CPUs, architecture of the CPU makes more of a difference than it's clock speed.
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both frequency and architecture are significant and even so, it all boils down to the work you need to do. In this case the overall performance increase is less than the expected 40% increase is because not everything in the phone is running at a 40% higher frequency (RAM, SD, etc)

tsiros said:
both frequency and architecture are significant and even so, it all boils down to the work you need to do. In this case the overall performance increase is less than the expected 40% increase is because not everything in the phone is running at a 40% higher frequency (RAM, SD, etc)
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I know that both frequency and architecture are significant, but there are cases where frequency brings almost no improvement at all, the perfect example being Intel's Pentium 4 processors.

By GSM Arena (http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc_s-4134.php) Arc S has 512 MB of RAM

But only 335MB are available to the user. Rest is reserved for system...
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The ARC S is now on pre-order on SonyStyle.com USA.
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666394997

Qualcomm MSM8260 (1.5Ghz) vs ST-Ericsson U8500 (1Ghz)

As we probably all know by now the Xperia S and Xperia Ion will be released with Qualcomm MSM8260 SoC's, while all other early 2012 Xperia devices will be released with the ST-Ericsson U8500 SoC.
I was wondering how they compare. The MSM8260 is basically two 8255's with a slightly newer GPU.
What I've heard is that they perform around the same, but that the ST-Ericsson has a much better GPU and (because of the clocks) a slightly less CPU.
Anyone has any more information on this?
Why do I want to know this? I was planning on getting the Xperia S, but I've always thought 4.3" is a bit big, so I'd prefer something slightly smaller to replace my Neo. If Sony will be going 100% ST-Ericsson in the future I'd rather make the switch as soon as possible...

there is no more sony ercisson. Its just sony.

soldiers33 said:
there is no more sony ercisson. Its just sony.
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I know... I didn't mention Sony Ericsson either.

Me too, I want the Tapioca, but it sucks that it doesn't have a 720p screen.
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NovaThor > Snapdragon.
The U8500 is basically a slightly-slower version of the Exynos SoC that's in the likes of the i9100 Galaxy S2.
At 1.2GHz Exynos stomps all over the MSM8X60 at 1.5GHz, to the point where there's a lot of unhappy people who own the Galaxy S2 variants that use the Snapdragon chip and have some pretty unpleasant names for them - the S***rocket for example...
So at 1GHz, it's probably fairly even but I'd still say the edge lies with the NovaThor chip, which is sad given Sony seem hopelessly beholden to Qualcomm for the Xperia S (the Ion is a different story, the Qualcomm chips play much nicer with LTE modems, which is why even Samsung are forced to use them).
What I had personally hoped for was that Sony would use the NovaThor A9600 for their latest flagship handset(s) but that proved to be futile on my part.

Hm. That introduces another dilemma then, bleh!
I was planning on getting the Xperia S as soon as it's released, but I'm not a big fan of the Snapdragons either, and if the NovaThors really are better or comparable then perhaps another device might be better for me... It's a shame though none of the other rumoured phones has a really high res display...
I really hope confirmed details leak out before MWC

Ambroos said:
Hm. That introduces another dilemma then, bleh!
I was planning on getting the Xperia S as soon as it's released, but I'm not a big fan of the Snapdragons either, and if the NovaThors really are better or comparable then perhaps another device might be better for me... It's a shame though none of the other rumoured phones has a really high res display...
I really hope confirmed details leak out before MWC
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Wait for the Mint in September, it costs €500< but it must be a jewel of a phone.

sdk16420 said:
Wait for the Mint in September, it costs €500< but it must be a jewel of a phone.
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Yeah, but September is a loooooooooooooong wait...