Hey Ppl
I have received an Arc S, then the other broke (Arc).
One of my friends has an Arc, so we tried and test them individually, and see what the difference was, at the Arc and Arc S.
Here is what came out. (We tested they both with antutu Benchmark, 5 times each)
The difference is small:
CPU: Arc S 1400Mhz, Arc 1000MHz (400MHz difference)
Ram: Arc S 335Mb, Arc 333MB (2MB RAM difference)
Memory internal: Arc S 420mb, Arc 380mb (40mb difference)
Graphics: Arc S has 5-8 more fps
Arc S 14.4 Mbps, Arc 7.2 Mbps
//dong
dong2007 said:
Ram: Arc S 335Mb, Arc 333MB (2MB RAM difference)
Memory internal: Arc S 420mb, Arc 380mb (40mb difference)
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The Arc and Arc S have the same amount of physical memory, so there is no difference in that situation.
The main improvement in the Arc S is in the chipset:
Arc S - HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps;
Arc - HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps;
The reason why the processor hardly brings much of an improvement is because it's just a clock speed bump, and from what I've seen with current ARM CPUs, architecture of the CPU makes more of a difference than it's clock speed.
Thelolinator said:
The Arc and Arc S have the same amount of physical memory, so there is no difference in that situation.
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Check my pictures....
I'd like to have 40MB more, strange they made it free on Arc S and not on Arc.
But how much is available to the user without any apps installed?
That's alaways lower than displayed. I think it are 280-300MB on Arc
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on arc s screenshot it have 460mb ram it is faulty?
My ARC shows 335Mb, not 333Mb:
About the internal memory size, it seems it's just some space optimization looking at sinkster's screenshot.
Thelolinator said:
The reason why the processor hardly brings much of an improvement is because it's just a clock speed bump, and from what I've seen with current ARM CPUs, architecture of the CPU makes more of a difference than it's clock speed.
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both frequency and architecture are significant and even so, it all boils down to the work you need to do. In this case the overall performance increase is less than the expected 40% increase is because not everything in the phone is running at a 40% higher frequency (RAM, SD, etc)
tsiros said:
both frequency and architecture are significant and even so, it all boils down to the work you need to do. In this case the overall performance increase is less than the expected 40% increase is because not everything in the phone is running at a 40% higher frequency (RAM, SD, etc)
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I know that both frequency and architecture are significant, but there are cases where frequency brings almost no improvement at all, the perfect example being Intel's Pentium 4 processors.
By GSM Arena (http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_arc_s-4134.php) Arc S has 512 MB of RAM
But only 335MB are available to the user. Rest is reserved for system...
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I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
nap007 said:
I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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I would be quite skeptical of these results, HTC Diamond, Touch Pro and HD have nearly the same hardware components as X1. They have exactly the same CPU and I wouldn't mind to bet that they have the same (or similar) memory chip.
Maybe more benchmarks should be done by other users of both devices just in case.
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I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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Hm, my score is 1010.00 if thats some sort of help
nap007 said:
I've run benchmark from SKTools, and it stated X1's RAM performance as far below Diamond, and I've noticed that my X1 ix indeed can be considered slow when running a lot of programs while it still have more than 50% more RAM; I've seen the CPU usage and it wasn't really stressed out.
So my conclusion is that X1 RAM is somewhat slow (mean : RAM speed, and timings -if you're familiar to the world of overclocking and such)
anybody else noticed?
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I think it depends on what your phone is up to when you run it.
These are my Xperia results.
2nd fastest integer cpu results (323.57)
HTC Touch Diamond (331.11) with the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU
RAM speed was actaully a lot faster than the Touch Diamond
Xperia X1 (1493)
Samsung Omnia (868)
HTC Touch Diamond (472)
In most of the other tests the Xperia scores very well.
Try a soft reset and benchmark it again maybe ?
Did you also notice SKTools shows CPU Clock speed of 400000000 or 400MHz !
Not sure if thats because the CPU is not running at full speed when its at low CPU utilitization or its been clock speed reduced to help with battery life like the iPhones.
iXX
ixxeon said:
I think it depends on what your phone is up to when you run it.
These are my Xperia results.
2nd fastest integer cpu results (323.57)
HTC Touch Diamond (331.11) with the Qualcomm MSM7201A CPU
RAM speed was actaully a lot faster than the Touch Diamond
Xperia X1 (1493)
Samsung Omnia (868)
HTC Touch Diamond (472)
In most of the other tests the Xperia scores very well.
Try a soft reset and benchmark it again maybe ?
Did you also notice SKTools shows CPU Clock speed of 400000000 or 400MHz !
Not sure if thats because the CPU is not running at full speed when its at low CPU utilitization or its been clock speed reduced to help with battery life like the iPhones.
iXX
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hmmm you're right, I re test it again and now it's just a bit slower than yours, there has been some inconsistency it seemed.
interesting.... HomeScreen PlusPlus ALSO reports 400 MHz..... i think Device Information under Start --> Settings is only showing the SPECIFICATION that it's 528 MHz but I'm pretty sure it's underclocked to 400 MHz.
Same for me: 400 mhz. We need to find a program to overclock the device.
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Same for me: 400 mhz. We need to find a program to overclock the device.
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Maybe I am wrong but I think these devices have dinamic CPU speed. So probably 400 Mhz is the "normal" speed but it goes up to 528 only when "is needed". In the same way It goest down to 200 Mhz in standby
Dani
ok pdadb says 256 gsmartena says 368 the phone itsefl says 268.
whats the deal guys?
Android 1.6 limits the amount of ram that is available for the phone to use. After we are able to upgrade to 2.1, you will see the full 368.
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i did read somewehe that 1.6 limits as to what ram we are told ie even if we had 512 wede still be using 512 but would only ever read 256. ur explanation sounds much better
Well.. if you did make a new thread about the RAM i will ask something to.
I read a thread here, and someone put this benchmark:
Motorola Droid 20.7 FPS (Android 2.0).
Nexus One 27.6 FPS. (Android 2.1) 512 RAM
Acer Liquid 34 FPS. (Android 1.6)
Xperia X10 34FPS+ est. (Android 1.6) 386 RAM
It is a bit strange that our X10 with less ram and a slower OS is the best performer in this benchmark.
So what do you think?
berbecverde said:
Well.. if you did make a new thread about the RAM i will ask something to.
I read a thread here, and someone put this benchmark:
Motorola Droid 20.7 FPS (Android 2.0).
Nexus One 27.6 FPS. (Android 2.1) 512 RAM
Acer Liquid 34 FPS. (Android 1.6)
Xperia X10 34FPS+ est. (Android 1.6) 386 RAM
It is a bit strange that our X10 with less ram and a slower OS is the best performer in this benchmark.
So what do you think?
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Ive seen that benchmark be posted here too. It holds little credibility since we don't know its source or what the benchmark was even about.
was it speed benchmark or graphic benchmark? If it was graphic therefore the phone got higher score due to 65k colors screen as the GPU doenst need to full load as the 16M screen^^. Anyway its still a bit strange, cuz the Droid should get higher score as its GPU is much better than Nexus One (maybe cuz of Froyo). It should be like this in term of graphic Nexus One < X10 < Droid, I dunno about Liquid one
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was it speed benchmark or graphic benchmark? If it was graphic therefore the phone got higher score due to 65k colors screen as the GPU doenst need to full load as the 16M screen^^. Anyway its still a bit strange, cuz the Droid should get higher score as its GPU is much better than Nexus One (maybe cuz of Froyo). It should be like this in term of graphic Nexus One < X10 < Droid, I dunno about Liquid one
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droid has the worest gpu sgx 530 which is able to output 7 m triangles only while snapdragon gives 22 m triangles
also apparently sizes of ram arent able to be used over 256m until froyo
First off, I don't want any fanboy reactions from SGS2 users or what kind of other phone. I'm just wondering why we don't have got it?
Today I played with the Arc of my nephew. And what must I say? We updated to the newest firmware before starting.
I must say that our x10 has received a very very very crappy 2.3.3 update. The Arc has ALMOST NO lags. Everything runs smoother then on our x10. They both got 1Ghz processor, how did this happen?
Also battery life is MUCH better. x10 was on lowest brightness, Arc FULL brightness both connected with wifi. X10 had a simcard, and the Arc not. But damn? Our x10 lost so many % battery in constant use while the Arc just lost 1%!!! X10 has even custom rom...
Both phones similair processor, only newer generation on Arc. Both running same clockspeed. How the heck can our x10 then perform much and much worse?
Just a few things I'm wondering, and NO I'm not going to buy a Arc. I got better things to buy
By chance any developer then can fully uncap all FPS to 60 FPS on our x10. Including 3D. I'm not expecting 3D games to run 60FPs but atleast that they will be able to reach the max FPS our GPU can handle if uncapped... The only thing we've got uncapped is 2D graphics, nothing more... And 2D graphics on Arc are still smoother...
Who will be able to make us x10 perform better? Is it kernel related? Arc has newer kernel?
I know thread is a bit messy, but how the heck can a phone with almost similair hardware (just newer generation processor and some new things) perform so much much much better? You can't make me believe that the processor in the Arc is 100% faster... Both same clockspeed just some little improvements for energy and stronger GPU, and the UI has no heavy graphics... Arc = butter smooth in scrolling and all UI related stuff.
I believe SE is capping more then only the FPS?
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
Both phones similair processor
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almost similair hardware
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Better processor would also mean better gpu...
It is the processor completely. Try any phone with that gen, its the same reason those phones can overclock to 1.8 ghz comfortably
Hey guys...
My Dell with a 2.4 ghz Pentium IV running win7 runs like crap compared to my Dell with a 2.4 ghz intel core and nvidia gtx 460. Why did Dell give us such an inferior Win7?
I mean, both laptops have the same speed but the core one lasts 4x as long as the old one! They're so similar but it's so *convenient* that the newer one is running win7 better.
Doesn't anyone else think that Dell is crapping our Win7 on purpose? It's a conspiracy folks!
I guess there are several clarifications needed.
1. X10's brightness is controlled by fluorescent illuminators as compared to Arc's LED backlit. have you ever wondered why sometimes the backlight doesn't dim smoothly? fluorescent illuminated display consumes hell lot more battery as compared to LED. this is rather self explanatory.
2. the process in x10's and arc's processor are different. x10 uses 65nm while arc uses 45nm. power consumption and efficiency in both are obviously different. performance wise, different too.
3. adreno 200 and adreno 205 are of major difference. adreno 205 enables hardware accelerated flash and rendering while 200 does not. adreno 200 is ancient FYI.
4. FPS on the x10 is uncapped to 55. i suppose that doesn't make much difference with 60?
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
Cheers,
z
zdzihu said:
There is no "3d fps cap". This is the actual performance of Adreno200 (compare it with N1)
Cheers,
z
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Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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I don't think there is a way to directly overclock GPU on SoC. it's not like in PC we have a separate graphics card to run graphic rendering.
100MB RAM is dedicated to vRAM.
silveraero said:
Did you know that the Are processor higher than X10, RAM is higher than X10 and GPU performance is higher than X10? What are you talking about? Compare a new phone appears almost 2 years later with the first Android phone from SE?
EDIT: I'm scared of this one
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but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
Sorry if my question is out of topic ..
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you can overclock gpu by overclocking the whole processor. only gpu is not possible
KeizBaby said:
but ram doesnt render the ui? both 1ghz processor why is the x10 so laggy then...
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Did you read any of the thread?
Oodie said:
Can't we overclock our gpu sir ?
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No, but as mentioned before, you can overclock the whole chip.
Oodie said:
And why does it show 280mb ram instead of 384mb ram ?
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The "missing memory" is used by Linux kernel (dsp, camera, encoder and) and is not accessible by user. This is common
Cheers,
z
Old technology vs New technology...
go figure.
Thanks ToonXW , keizbaby and Z for repling. Got it now
So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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Flo95 said:
Why is battery life better on Arc:
X10 65nm CPU vs 45nm on Arc
X10 998MHz @ 1300mV vs 1024MHz @ 1200mV on Arc
Alone these things make it better.
And you forgot to mention that Arc's screen reacts faster/better.
Couldn't type really fast on my X10, it didn't register some touches then. On my Arc I can type really, really fast.
All these things make it better, BUT the Arc is 1 year newer than the X10!
In 1 year hardware makes huge steps forward.
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It reacts better because it has better fps and multi touch...
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adham3322 said:
So is there any way to overclock rhe whole chip on stock 2.3.3
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Custom kernels... We wait for semc sources...
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Already overclock CPU speed to 1.3GHz, install custom ROM if you want it.
The differences between the X10 and Arc are CPU, RAM, GPU. Same CPU name with different code 200-205, RAM: 384/512, GPU is included on CPU so new CPU technology mean better GPU. That why everything on ARC is smoother than X10. You must know exactly what you are talking about, not only the value of processor.
The x10 is pretty damn smooth now, I get all day usage from it, constantly on WiFi. The people complaining must have forgotten what 1.6 was like, it's night and day now.
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This is just a fun thread, and please don't go about trolling to buy a new phone. If you had one or two magical wishes what would you improve on the X8 be it hardware or software.
I for one if I had a wish would hope for the X8 to have magical solar panels which would keep the phone going all year without running low on power. Haha
And what would you wish for?
Well, if I can, I want to change the CPU to 1.5ghz, and processor Armv7 myself.
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CPU to 1,4 GHz and the size of the sreen to 4"
Fully working ics on stock kernel
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I wish.....
CPU 1/1.4 GHz and 1GB RAM.
Then ICS Jelley Bean not a factor.
mmm...
I would... make the volume rocker and the camera button a bit bigger, use better quality plastic to eliminate the cracking sound the back cover makes (noticed this on several black x8). And, last but not least, armv7 (minimum), better gpu, 1gb rom, 1gb data, 512mb ram so that we wont depend on app2sd that much and have better app response (that will definitely solve some major rom upgrade issues)
[Miracle]
What would i do : change Ram to 8gb DDR3 | 3D,2D Nvidia driver Like m150 | Battery up to 6Years or more! | 900GB internel Memory! | Cpu 3.32ghz | Camera Like DSLR [canon] | And Have Usb Port 2.0 | Thats enough for me.
[Just are dream] .
And yeah ! Sure i'll Fix My Phone !
If can..I wish my X8 can be flexible with the latest software & hardware.
Change the phone's processor to Tegra 2 1500MHz dual core
4"5 iNCH screen with corning gorilla glass
1Gb ram
OFFICIAL ICS 4.0
Ram 1GB CPU to 1.5GHz
A Cypress digitizer. Well, a better touchscreen. It's horrible to type with, and the screen just feels cheap. And the sensitivity is all messed up.
I'm fine with the speed, we have godly devs here.
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we have godly devs here.
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damn right we do! the best there is!
just more RAM, and slightly bigger screen
and maybe faster processor, thinner design, better software support, no squeaking case, unlocked bootloader, better battery life, multitouch..and so on..oops
CPU 1,5 dual core
I want 1gb of ram and 800mhz dual core armV7 and 2 speakers and maybe bigger screen like - 3.5
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I will change it's chipset to MSM8260 Snapdragon .
Just
Processor 3 Ghz DualCore
Ram 2 Gb
Nvidia
Upgrade from sony
Plus xperia s design hhaha...
1.5 GHZ Quad core
1Gb Ram
More internal memory
Bigger screen
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MatthewWu said:
Just
Processor 3 Ghz DualCore
Ram 2 Gb
Nvidia
Upgrade from sony
Plus xperia s design hhaha...
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Only dual core?
Why not Quad core
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Well it is good to open the desires about our Shakiras.
1) A method to unlock bootloader for 11W29+ devices.
2) screen size to 4 inches
3) RAM to 1 Gb.
My xperia arc s has a total of 339 ram useable while xperia sola has 368 ram useable, I really have no idea why xperia sola will have more useable ram when it supposed to be a mid-range android phone when ours is supposed to be a high-end... Both phone has 512 ram but the only different is xperia sola has a different graphic card and duel core processor.
Please share your thoughts below.
Like you said it has a dual core processor. Probably they reduced the dedicated memory allocation on some functionality of the phone and let it rely on the power of the processor instead.
Is there any Rom or tweak that can enable more useable ram by relying on the arc S processor?
CM7 have lots of free ram
It's it more then 180 after a reboot? My tweak stock has 180 ram the most after a reboot =| and it will start going down by the end of the day.
I just found out that different kernel has different amt of useable ram, my stock kernel has 339 while doomkernel has 335... is there any other kernel that has more useable ram?
I guess it is because sola screen is smaller, so graphic use less ram.
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yeah that's a good point.
I have stock Rom and kernel with cwm and I stay at 192 all day every day. Try es task manager!
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