Just got my HK version of the 16GB Wi-Fi only model last week. So far the 7.7 is pretty darn great. One issue I'm noticing though:
For the first few days I was using the Screen Filter app by haxor industry, so I could comfortable use the tablet at night in bed. The app, however, did not properly dim the status bar containing the navigation buttons & notification tray. I changed my dimming app to ScreenDim, which did the trick.
Now however--when dimming is enabled, and holding the tablet in landscape--- I'm noticing that there is discoloring in the exact area where the portrait-oriented status bar is positioned. The tablet looks fine when I'm working within any of the built-in brightness levels.
Anyone else experiencing anything similar?
Had mine now for just over a week. Have not noticed any burn in so far. Will watch out for it..
Many people claim to have seen the burn in effect of AMOLED. I been using my Galaxy S i9000 close to a year now but I do not notice anything. Maybe is my usage pattern. I don't usually spend more than an hour continuously on the screen. I'll pay more attention to the display unit when I drop by the phone shop next time.
If you are worry, you can try the HideBar apk that hide the status bar, but you need root. I tried it and it's working.
http://ppareit.github.com/HideBar/
I've had mine since the 7th Jan and I have the image burn - the status bar.. Not bothered by it though..
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This is likely due to the fact that the notification icons are blue coloured. In OLED displays, blue sub-pixels degrade faster than either red or green due to the fact that they have to be run at higher power levels to produce the same light levels as the red and green.
All OLED screens degrade and suffer burn-in sooner or later; you cannot avoid this.
Personally, I haven't yet experienced the burn-in effect with my unit, but perhaps another solution to delaying this inevitability is to create a modified build.prop which changes the overall blue theme to green instead?
The SAMOLED+ screen on my SGS2 from last May hasn't shown any signs of degradation yet, probably from the green theme of gingerbread.
Just thought I would chime in here. I just recently sold my GS2 which never did what my Galaxy Nexus does. From time to time when I move about through apps or screens I can still see feint remnants from the previous screen. The best example is going from my home screen to the market where my clock widget is still visible for a few seconds. I can turn my screen off and then on or just continue navigating until it disappears. If this is similar to what my Galaxy Nexus does then I believe it's not really an issue at all. (Although I was expecting differently from the Tabs screen since it's a Plus whereas this is not.)
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Okay, while I don't have the status bar "burn in" yet, I notice that when using the Screen Filter apps to dim the screen, the lower part of the screen (near the Samsung logo) is dimmer than the rest of the screen no matter when it is view in portrait or landscape. I'm not sure if this is cause by the apps itself or the display panel having unequal brightness. No problem when operating with the device standard lowest brightness.
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Okay, while I don't have the status bar "burn in" yet, I notice that when using the Screen Filter apps to dim the screen, the lower part of the screen (near the Samsung logo) is dimmer than the rest of the screen no matter when it is view in portrait or landscape. I'm not sure if this is cause by the apps itself or the display panel having unequal brightness. No problem when operating with the device standard lowest brightness.
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Yes; this is exactly what I am experiencing. Assuming it's not the dimming applications' doing, I was wondering if Samsung configure the screen like this on purpose...perhaps as a preventative measure thinking the edge by the Samsung logo would have the static image of status bar the majority of the time in daily use.
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This is likely due to the fact that the notification icons are blue coloured. In OLED displays, blue sub-pixels degrade faster than either red or green due to the fact that they have to be run at higher power levels to produce the same light levels as the red and green.
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Yeah Samsung are geniuses. They can produce the screen, but don't know the limitations. You would think they would avoid using blue for cumpulsory static images that you can't turn off. I don't know why they couldn't use red, green, or yellow in that area and avoid any color with blue in it, including white.
Dumb. dumb. dumb.
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Yeah Samsung are geniuses. They can produce the screen, but don't know the limitations. You would think they would avoid using blue for cumpulsory static images that you can't turn off. I don't know why they couldn't use red, green, or yellow in that area and avoid any color with blue in it, including white.
Dumb. dumb. dumb.
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Agreed. It is quite an oversight.
Having said that, I haven't yet had any burn-in issues with my unit, even with my screen at full brightness just about all the time.
I found a yellowish mark in the same place of status bar when I hide it or change from portrait position to landscape position .. and I can see it only in gray screen like market or settings. I use my tab only for 1 week . Is it burn in? . Dose it go away by itself when I hide the status bar for a long time?
I think it won't go away. Mine got the same yellowwish on the status bar. Actually I love this phone more than any other devices I used to use before but it actually annoy me with this bug screen.
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I was going to sell mine and buy another one.. but now I think I will keep it because this screen bug will be in the most of this device
I must be lucky! I've had my device for almost a month now, run my screen at 100%, and I have yet to experience any issues whatsoever! Odd... Not complaining though!
I'm just wondering is there anyways to fix this bug screen? Is that any firmwares can fix it? I think we should complain to Samsung for this burn screen. It is very annoying :-(
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This bug is more visable at low brightness
I have mine for over three weeks now and I've no discoloration in the status bar area and I'm using the Tab a lot.
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Not all screens are created equally so others may not have burn-ins over 2yrs while others will get it as early as 2 weeks.
Just have it replaced and hope for a better screen.
How much u pay for replacement? Mine can't cuz here no warrenty :-( so sad
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Its been about a month since the launch of the SGS2. I know it may be a bit early but has anyone noticed any image retention or screen burn? I haven't as of yet and I but i do keep my brightness usually on the lowest all the time im at home. Outside its on Auto.
Also even if anyone hasn't how long will it take to happen since I know that all OLed displays including TV's eventually retain images?
I have a Galaxy S. For my phone, It took around 4 months to burn down some pixels after keeping the Screen on for about 3 hours a day. The Status bar was visible on blue background along with screen burn where AM and PM is displayed.
Best Practice is to keep changing the Orientation of the phone frequently and use a Theme with transparent status bar and switch to 24 hour clock to prevent burn in of AM or PM pixels, since they are ON all the time.
Yeah, im trying to do that as much as i can especially changing the orientation with the market and some apps.
So once your pixels gets burned in, can you change them back to normal by putting a different colour over the burned area or is it for good?
I think UK as all the Europe uses 24h clock. So no need to worry about am pm burn in.
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I have a Galaxy S. For my phone, It took around 4 months to burn down some pixels after keeping the Screen on for about 3 hours a day. The Status bar was visible on blue background along with screen burn where AM and PM is displayed.
Best Practice is to keep changing the Orientation of the phone frequently and use a Theme with transparent status bar and switch to 24 hour clock to prevent burn in of AM or PM pixels, since they are ON all the time.
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"4 MONTHS" any sign of any burn in on my screen and i`ll be looking for a replacement under the warrenty. If this is the case then i`m afraid the Amoled technology is a complete failure in my opinion...!!!
Basically LED displays comprise of 3 LEDs. Red, Blue and Green. When they lit up all together, the form white. Unlike the LCD technology, LED's are diodes which convert electricity into Light and hence they have a lifespan. They gradually start degrading which reduces the amount of light that they emit.
Blue has the highest tendency to degrade faster, hence the AMOLED screens have a Bluish tint to compensate for the same.
Suppose you use a 12 Hour clock and you have AM and PM displayed all the time, as a result of this, the blue pixels that are present at the AM, PM display location degrade, which causes a color imbalance. I.e the other pixels emit more light, but the "Burnt" pixels emit less light. At a later stage when the other 2 LEDs start getting burnt, you can see a patched up section, which represents the burnt pixels, which could be spotted on specific backgrounds.
There is no way to fix screen burn than to get a new display. There is a HUGE topic about screen burn in SGS section. It's worth a read.
I got my galaxy s in August last year and there is a large amount of burn in especially where the clock is.
You can check the individual colours in SGS tools or the xda app when you first open it.
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I have a Galaxy S. For my phone, It took around 4 months to burn down some pixels after keeping the Screen on for about 3 hours a day. The Status bar was visible on blue background along with screen burn where AM and PM is displayed.
Best Practice is to keep changing the Orientation of the phone frequently and use a Theme with transparent status bar and switch to 24 hour clock to prevent burn in of AM or PM pixels, since they are ON all the time.
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I haven't had any burn-ins whatsoever with my SGS. I had it since October and used it everyday. None. Just checked after reading this thread. None whatsoever.
Koreans are very critical of things they buy. They are one of if not THE country where consumer reports are spread fastest due to their connectivity with the web. Things like this is just NOT accepted over there. And there would be a country outrage especially regarding Samsung products. I highly doubt this is the case. Maybe you have a one off defect.
The Burn-in is caused by the short life of the blue pixel.
I suggest don't make blue pixel lit in the status bar.
I don't know if there has any launchers could make Time and Signal status area displayed in yellow or green rather than white.
My nexus one had status bar burn in within the first month. Still there, no way to reverse it.
But using launcher pro is best solution which hides the status bar completely.
Same here I have had an S1 since it was launched. I used it heavily every day, the screen was on a lot as i used it as an ebook reader. There is zero burn in (checked using screen test).
A friend has one as well, which he bought at the same time as me, he is very critical of every detail, and there is zero burn in on his either.
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I`m going to use my SG2 as I want, i`m not going to worry about screen burn in, if it happens which i doubt it,i`ll be demanding a replacement . No one should have to use any programs to hide status bars etc, just to try and prevent it. If it happens then in my opinion its a defect and should be replaced.
Did anybody try for a replacement with the First SG that suffered screen burn...
That's what two year warranties are for I guess. Like post above, I would love to hear of successful replacement for original sgs.
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I`m going to use my SG2 as I want, i`m not going to worry about screen burn in, if it happens which i doubt it,i`ll be demanding a replacement . No one should have to use any programs to hide status bars etc, just to try and prevent it. If it happens then in my opinion its a defect and should be replaced.
Did anybody try for a replacement with the First SG that suffered screen burn...
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Many people exchanged their nexus one, desire, galaxy s, for a new screen and the burn in just happened again after a month on the replacement. Not much can be done just live with it.
How serious of a burn are we talking about here? A slight shadow or a full on watermark type situation??
Just curious as mine is en route but if this is as bad as some are making out then it will be a deal breaker for me....
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I`m going to use my SG2 as I want, i`m not going to worry about screen burn in, if it happens which i doubt it,i`ll be demanding a replacement . No one should have to use any programs to hide status bars etc, just to try and prevent it. If it happens then in my opinion its a defect and should be replaced.
Did anybody try for a replacement with the First SG that suffered screen burn...
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warranty ain't issued by Samsung for nothing. Loving this phone. Its blazing fast since day 1 and ain't getting slower. Over 150 apps now installed. Still as fast ==3
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Doesn't effect the user much. Barely visible on daily use.
I9000 since august, no burn in so far , used everyday..
I9100 since, well less than a month, ofc no burn in
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How serious of a burn are we talking about here? A slight shadow or a full on watermark type situation??
Just curious as mine is en route but if this is as bad as some are making out then it will be a deal breaker for me....
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Its very very light, barely noticeable unless you look hard for it on white web pages. This is prob why not everyone sees it cause they are looking for something much worse.
I have a slight temporary image retention on my phone, it only lasts a few seconds after using the keypad or the circular lock screen etc , but its pretty noticeable on a dark background
Sure, it fades after a few seconds, but I'm quite concerned that it'll cause lasting damage over time.
I'll try get some snaps, later.. my phone is er, 3 days old
Hi
I am a little worried about burn in issue. So i would like to hide status bar to minimize it. I have heard some galaxy s2 users have this issue.
I tried several launchers and they only hide status bar on launcher screens. When I use application it does not hide it.
I am wondering if there is any way I can hide status bar all the time.
Thanks
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Burn in? Wow, it's been a few years since I have heard that term! I see no reason why the Galaxy Note, or the S2 for that matter should ever have a burn in issue...the technology just does not allow that to happen...
On another not, the Note and the S2 have different screens. The S2 uses a Super AMOLED Plus RGB, while the Note used a Super AMOLED Pentile.
All AMOLED have potential burn in issue. See wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED
Unfortunately it is more likely to happen compared to LCD or IPS as AMOLED as it burns itself.
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Unless you're using your Note as a primary display for your desktop and leaving it on 20 hours a day, I don't think there's much of a chance of burning in...
Unless you're gonna contantly use your Note for 5+ years, don't worry about it.
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Burn in? Wow, it's been a few years since I have heard that term! I see no reason why the Galaxy Note, or the S2 for that matter should ever have a burn in issue...the technology just does not allow that to happen...
On another not, the Note and the S2 have different screens. The S2 uses a Super AMOLED Plus RGB, while the Note used a Super AMOLED Pentile.
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This wins silliest post of the week.
AmoLED's are notorious for burning wearing out especially blues and greens. Look at any galaxy S gt-i9000 that have been used for more than 4-6 months and you can clearly see the wearing out of the led's where the notification bar is static.
Static images on an amoled screen eventually wear out the pixels fading them out. This is a known fact and I'm reminded of it every time I look at my galaxy s.
regarding the OP's question. LauncherPro among other 3rd party launchers only allow hiding of the notification bar on the home screen. There are several google help forum posts asking google to implement a setting that would allow you to hide the notification bar in apps. The official request was denied by google citing that the notification bar is an integral part of the android os and therefore should be constant throughout apps. Now there are apps that require full screen pixel width like angry birds and such but that is only if the developer codes the app to NOT show the notification bar.
Bottom line its up to developer to include a hide notification bar setting as google will not cook it into the OS as an option.
Hope this helps.
Here is the official google response from an android dev http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9063
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Thank you inurb. Now I understand why I cannot hide status bar.
Thank you again.
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ADW Launcher has a feature that hides the notification bar when you swipe UP on the screen. Apart from that, if we can change the fonts on a regular basis, we might avoid this issue.
Is the process of burn-in similar to that on Plasma TV screens?? Then the solutions (or things to avoid) would be the same as well for SuperAMOLEDs. There wouldn't be any apps available that could facilitate pixel shifting, would there??
I come from the land of LCD, so I'm terrified of any possibility of burn-in on the new shiny monster!
BTW, Go Launcher EX also has the option of hiding the notification bar (and the dock menus as well!)
I've had the PM from the clock on the status bar burned into my Samsung Captivate's screen....as well as the digits from the clock but they're less defined.
If you are like me, you use the device 50% portrait and 50% landscape.
Wouldn't that pretty much eliminate the burn in concern?
I had the Wave/S1/S2 all of them had this "Burn-in" or rather burn out issue. The Galaxy S2 had the shortest time of only 2 months of use while the Samsung Wave took about 9 months and the S1 about 4. Only the "M" sumbol and the battery indicator burned in though.
Hi All,
came across this thread when looking for a solution for SGS1.
it seems that Burn in is indeed a problem for AMOLED screens.
in my situation, I've found a burn cause by Waze (of course, any app that would leave the screen on would cause it).
sadly enough, my phone is only 6 months old and I use Waze ~30 min. a day - not much for a burn you think? wrong!
for now, i've set Waze to hide the point bar and the zoom control, but still many objects on the screen are static - including the notification bar.
does anyone has a good solution?
I'm wondering if "burn-in" has to partially do with the environment the phone is being used in (the other being reason being a bad batch). For example, tropical (ie. "hot") environments may cause screen issues sooner because the screen can't cope with the heat?
I had my S2 for about 7 months before getting the Note and the screen was on around 40-50 minutes a day. Didn't notice any burn-in during the entire time. I always kept the phone's screen out of direct sunlight, and it was winter/autumn during the time I was using my S2.
I saw an S2 got a burn in within 2 months for the lock screen. =)
It's not just burn-in, I believe it's a combination of the burn-in and the specific colors in the LEDs dimming (i.e., losing their initial brightness).
It's best to change wallpapers every so often to make sure that the LED colors are wearing out evenly. If not, over time, you'll get weird tints in parts of the screen due to a dimming of certain colors, etc.
This burn in issue is very troubling to me and may force me to reevaluate my intention of getting the Note. I just Googled AMOLED and the Wikipedia article seems to imply the organic material degrades over time and I'm thinking this is the cause of the so called burn in issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
The other thing it mentions is the dramatic difference in power the display uses depending on the colors being displayed with black letter on a white background eating more than 4X the power of white letters on a black background.
This bothers me not just because I was planning to get the Note but I was also looking at the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7. If a phone has problems with burn in problems in as little as half a year how long before a tab with an AMOLED/SAMOLED display has the burn in issue.
On the upside, knowing that switching the colors can greatly reduce battery drain is good to know...
Brian
Yup, this is why I still prefer standard LCD currently, or Super LCD. Sure, the blacks aren't blacks, but at least the tech is tried and true. =)
Raptor1956 said:
This burn in issue is very troubling to me and may force me to reevaluate my intention of getting the Note. I just Googled AMOLED and the Wikipedia article seems to imply the organic material degrades over time and I'm thinking this is the cause of the so called burn in issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
The other thing it mentions is the dramatic difference in power the display uses depending on the colors being displayed with black letter on a white background eating more than 4X the power of white letters on a black background.
This bothers me not just because I was planning to get the Note but I was also looking at the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7. If a phone has problems with burn in problems in as little as half a year how long before a tab with an AMOLED/SAMOLED display has the burn in issue.
On the upside, knowing that switching the colors can greatly reduce battery drain is good to know...
Brian
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Hardly a fix but I use Opera for web browsing so the status bar is hidden for me (and full screen browsing is lovely )
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This wins silliest post of the week.
AmoLED's are notorious for burning wearing out especially blues and greens. Look at any galaxy S gt-i9000 that have been used for more than 4-6 months and you can clearly see the wearing out of the led's where the notification bar is static.
Static images on an amoled screen eventually wear out the pixels fading them out. This is a known fact and I'm reminded of it every time I look at my galaxy s.
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It's something you "Tech guys" seam to leave out when you do your iPhone vs Android discussions, I have never read up about it anywhere. You would think such a glaring problem with be talked about more. I'll have to look into it more now that I am waiting on the White Note from hantec.(coming from the iPhone 4 that I have had for 18 months now with no issues other then the inferiority complex in screen size)
I'm a Samsung user from Note 1 and all the display AMOLED suffers the burn in , expecially on the status bar ( clock , signal level , battery... )
Why Samsung doesn't enable the Immersive mode?
http://developer.android.com/training/system-ui/immersive.html
Could we send to Samsung some advices? ( It worked for microSD )
I have frinds using the sgs1. No burn in what do ever. I used an s4 for over a yr and no burn in
I never noticed this issue and all my phones have been amoled
I also have the Note 1, and it does have "burn-in" where the statusbar is. By having a black statusbar or static black areas, the black pixels are OFF, which means that those pixels won't be used as much as the rest of them that are lit. This means that the pixels that have been off for most of the time, are brighter than the other ones that have been actively used for a long period of time, and the "background" of the statusbar will then be brighter than the rest of the display when they're active.
Lollipop removed that black statusbar at the homescreen, and a lot of apps today have a colored statusbar, which means that that area is active, so the pixels will age at the same pace, avoiding "burn in". So you'll actually risk getting "burn ins" if you use a black theme for a longer period of time. A lot of people complain that Samsung doesn't use on-screen navigation, but there's a reason. On-screen navigation requires a black bar at the bottom of the screen, which again, means that those pixels will be in-active for most of the time, causing burn-in at the bottom of the screen. They avoid that by using hardware buttons instead.
I don't see it as a problem if you just use the phone as intended, and if I notice any burn in like two years from now, it won't be any issue, since I'll probably move to a different phone by then. Also, keep in mind that AMOLED tech is always evolving, and there have been massive changes in quality since the first Note, so don't compare the panels of the Note 1 with the S7.
My last phone was a Note3 and... yes after 2year he was having burn in guys... when you use facebook or whatsapp the status bar becomes black and the icon of battery signal and other symbols got stucked....
if you use phone with %100 brightness and 10 hours a day. You have more chance for burn in. Dont use with full brightness. I'm student and i worked at samsung techhnical service. Mostly demo devices has burn in because they works weeks/months with %100 brightness.
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My last phone was a Note3 and... yes after 2year he was having burn in guys... when you use facebook or whatsapp the status bar becomes black and the icon of battery signal and other symbols got stucked....
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It's actually the other way around It's the black area around the battery and other icons that is brighter due to the black pixels being a lot more in-active than the surrounding pixels that are lit. The brightness of the active pixels gets weaker over time, so the black pixels that are in-active in longer periods of time won't have been used as much, so they're brighter than the other ones that have been active the whole time.
I think most people here get it by now, but I just want to point it out in a more obvious way, so I won't repeat this again in this thread, lol.
"Burn-in" is also technically the wrong thing to call it since there isn't any burn-in at all, but yeah :silly:
call it as you like but imho is a problem... also use an app in immersive mode is more better...! I don't need to see time o signal when i'm on facebook!
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call it as you like but imho is a problem... also use an app in immersive mode is more better...! I don't need to see time o signal when i'm on facebook!
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That's what I'm telling you. There's no disagreement here.
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I have frinds using the sgs1. No burn in what do ever. I used an s4 for over a yr and no burn in
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Same, S2, S3, and S4. No burn-in whatsoever.
I had slight burn in one one of my S's S2 or S3 I think but nothing major. However, I just checked out a store model S7 edge which literally had burn-in or as the poster above pointed out "pixel brightness level difference". It was so bad and obvious, I would not have bought that phone for one third of its retail price.
Is it possible to have immersive mode on my S7 edge? Via an app or something?
matterial design means something for any one? this helps a lot to avoid the burn in on the amoled screen, olders androids versions dont have it, so i think burn in problems was on the past, i think
Not understanding how immersive mode would help. The screen is still lit with colors. And Samsung does use immersive mode on certain apps, I just used Samsung Pay and saw it.
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Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
This is pretty normal, actually. The biggest disadvantage with AMOLED-screen phones is that the screens degenerate before you get rid of the phone. My Turbo 2 started getting screen burn-in about 5 months after I purchased it, but I exchanged that one for a new one. The On-screen buttons on an AMOLED display only makes the problem worse; AMOLED-screen phones with capacitive keys will only get burn in at the status bar, in typical conditions. Another thing: since the AMOLED screen is primarily made of a multitude of LEDs, these LEDs are driven very hard when white is displayed on the screen, and the LEDs turn themselves off when black is displayed on the screen, so that contrast between the black bar and the white buttons causes the bar to "reverse burn", where the bar will show colors the way the entire screen did when the phone was new, the other parts of the screen will be darker and dingier than the bar (and the status bar), and the on-screen buttons will be the dingiest part of the screen. Also, by "dingy", I mean the AMOLED, over time, will take a noticeable shift to yellow, where every color will have a yellowish cast, due to the Organic Decomposition of AMOLED screens (they are made of organic material) as well as the fact that the blue subpixels are the first to decompose, because they shine the brightest. The yellow shift over time cannot be changed or reversed. The on-screen keys and bar burn in can be slowed/ counteracted by downloading an app called GMD Immersive, which allows you to put your phone in Fullscreen mode in most situations you are using it. You do have to bring up the on-screen keys when you are using the keyboard, but in most other cases when the screen will be on for extended periods of time, the on-screen keys and black bar will not burn in as quicky and this app is a good thing to use to counteract this. However, the GMD Immersive app also allows you to take the status bar out of view, as well. This is a very good app for any AMOLED-screen phone to counteract the eventual burn-in that you will receive. *Side note* I know this is unrelated to what I just said, but the belief that AMOLED screens are more efficient than LCDs is not always true. It largely depends on the content you put on the screen. An AMOLED screen will be more efficient than the LCD when colors displayed on the screen are darker/closer to black, where the AMOLED's LEDs are not driven as hard or are not turned on at all, whereas the LCD's backlight is still active when displaying dark colors/blacks (It is a good idea to surf the web in invert cors on an AMOLED-screen phone if you want to save a lot of power). An LCD display is more efficient displaying lighter colors/whites, because the AMOLED's LEDs are driven very hard when displaying whites/lighter colors, and are shining brighter and using more power to do so, whereas the LCD's backlight is working no harder to display whites than it is to display darker colors. For my usage, LCDs would be more efficient than AMOLEDs due to the fact that most content I display on-screen is usually white or a lighter color.
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Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
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It's usually not permanent, it's more image retention than burn-in. If you're worried about it, just run this program, or one like it regularly-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
CRT's and Plasma screens, however, are very prone to burn-in, especially Plasma. Screen Savers help on CRT's, and most newer Plasma displays have tools built-in to help keep the screen free of that. LCD and OLED screens are much less prone to burn-in, it can happen, it's just pretty rare.
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It's usually not permanent, it's more image retention than burn-in. If you're worried about it, just run this program, or one like it regularly-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
CRT's and Plasma screens, however, are very prone to burn-in, especially Plasma. Screen Savers help on CRT's, and most newer Plasma displays have tools built-in to help keep the screen free of that. LCD and OLED screens are much less prone to burn-in, it can happen, it's just pretty rare.
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It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
I haven't had any screen burn since my Galaxy S4. And i just checked my Z and nothing. I have about 5 hours of OST a day and have been using this since launch.
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It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
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No, it isn't always permanent.
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No, it isn't always permanent.
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I sure hope not. Still trying that app. Verizon offered to replace it, but I don't know if it'll just keep happening.
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It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
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What I would do is simply get a replacement Z force, and when u do get your replacement, I would use an app called GMD Immersive (look it up on the play store), which will allow you to slide your on-screen keys in and out of view, and/or your status bar as well. My turbo 2 got burn in after 3 months of using it, but ever since I started using GMD Immersive on my replacement Turbo 2 (the other had battery issues) I have little to no burn in even after 2 1/2 months of use.
I know this sounds silly but are you sure you don't have some shift enabled that makes the color temp plummet in the evening?
Since Apple came out with night shift there are people taking their phones in because they are yellow at night! LOL
Really hope mine dosnt get screen burn. Im using the gmd app as suggested but I find the keyboard gets buggy. My Moto XF also got burns after few months. Really hope this isn't the case for this beauty of a phone.
Waiting on a warranty replacement from Moto. Had to take pictures showing the burned in images and email them. Going to try the app from day one and hope for the best.
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Yup just noticed mine has a highly visible burn. That's just crazy. My 3 year old nexus 6 has no burn at all. I would request a warranty but I do not want a refurbished phone.
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Could the yellow be from the plastic upper screen protector?
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This is pretty normal, actually. The biggest disadvantage with AMOLED-screen phones is that the screens degenerate before you get rid of the phone. My Turbo 2 started getting screen burn-in about 5 months after I purchased it, but I exchanged that one for a new one. The On-screen buttons on an AMOLED display only makes the problem worse; AMOLED-screen phones with capacitive keys will only get burn in at the status bar, in typical conditions. Another thing: since the AMOLED screen is primarily made of a multitude of LEDs, these LEDs are driven very hard when white is displayed on the screen, and the LEDs turn themselves off when black is displayed on the screen, so that contrast between the black bar and the white buttons causes the bar to "reverse burn", where the bar will show colors the way the entire screen did when the phone was new, the other parts of the screen will be darker and dingier than the bar (and the status bar), and the on-screen buttons will be the dingiest part of the screen. Also, by "dingy", I mean the AMOLED, over time, will take a noticeable shift to yellow, where every color will have a yellowish cast, due to the Organic Decomposition of AMOLED screens (they are made of organic material) as well as the fact that the blue subpixels are the first to decompose, because they shine the brightest. The yellow shift over time cannot be changed or reversed. The on-screen keys and bar burn in can be slowed/ counteracted by downloading an app called GMD Immersive, which allows you to put your phone in Fullscreen mode in most situations you are using it. You do have to bring up the on-screen keys when you are using the keyboard, but in most other cases when the screen will be on for extended periods of time, the on-screen keys and black bar will not burn in as quicky and this app is a good thing to use to counteract this. However, the GMD Immersive app also allows you to take the status bar out of view, as well. This is a very good app for any AMOLED-screen phone to counteract the eventual burn-in that you will receive. *Side note* I know this is unrelated to what I just said, but the belief that AMOLED screens are more efficient than LCDs is not always true. It largely depends on the content you put on the screen. An AMOLED screen will be more efficient than the LCD when colors displayed on the screen are darker/closer to black, where the AMOLED's LEDs are not driven as hard or are not turned on at all, whereas the LCD's backlight is still active when displaying dark colors/blacks (It is a good idea to surf the web in invert cors on an AMOLED-screen phone if you want to save a lot of power). An LCD display is more efficient displaying lighter colors/whites, because the AMOLED's LEDs are driven very hard when displaying whites/lighter colors, and are shining brighter and using more power to do so, whereas the LCD's backlight is working no harder to display whites than it is to display darker colors. For my usage, LCDs would be more efficient than AMOLEDs due to the fact that most content I display on-screen is usually white or a lighter color.
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I have/had burn issues with my Moto G4 (IPS LCD Display). The problem is in the pure whites on screen, those are the objects which burn in. Since pure Android Marshmallow or Nougat don't provide a different colour tone setting, I worked around it by downloading a Bluelight Filter app (I recommend Hardy-Infinity's filter). I select the neutral black filter and put the intensity to 11%. that resolves all the burn ins, while used.
It's quite an annoying problem, and the only reason why I refrain from buying anymore pure Android phones, until the OS comes with an integrated screen tone setting.
This "issue" is totally normal with an OLED display, and there's really nothing that can be done to stop it, or "correct" it, other than not use the display!
The menu bar will be the most noticeable artifact in the early going, but with years of use you'll see the entire screen, with the exception of the typically-black menu-bar area(!), will no longer be as bright. The whites will be more grayish and the colours will be more muted.
All-in-all, you'll probably never really notice or care about it, but that said, no magical app is going to restore what is a natural, unavoidable, process for these screens.
Well, a relative of mine got the Z Force for Christmas last year, and the screen had severe burn in and the shattershield was fuzzy from discoloration and hairline scratches. The burn in was so severe that the navigation bar, the notification bar and home screen icons were all visible on solid backgrounds. Fortunately, Verizon replaced it under warranty. I've loved Motorola since the StarTac days and have recommended them to everyone, but seeing the burn in issues on the Z and the lack of innovation in the Z2 Force, I can't recommend them anymore.
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Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
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Yes, the screen burn issue is real, very real. Among other user + upside down port-a-potty issues constantly popping up.
I had experimental high contrast text on for minimal time but think it likely had more to do with me leaving vibrant colors mode set on for a couple months before I noticed the burn-in of Google emblem and notification bar.. yep, the same notification bar that always is wasting scarce screen space instead of scrolling up and away like on every decent phone on the market.
I enjoyed my Droid X as a more user friendly and functional device than the MOTO Z, which has been an ongoing hate-hate dysfunctional relationship.
Hi everybody,
Since a few days a got this blurry facebook page in my screen. How could I solve this problem please ?
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Hi everybody,
Since a few days a got this blurry facebook page in my screen. How could I solve this problem please ?
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Take a photo with another phone... the solution is change the screen.
viper531986 said:
Take a photo with another phone... the solution is change the screen.
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But what is he trying to say. I don't see anything wrong in the screenshot.
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I'll try to show you you with this screenshot.
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Hi everybody,
Since a few days a got this blurry facebook page in my screen. How could I solve this problem please ?
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Do you mean a ghost image? If so, it's a common problem of amoled displays. You must not being for a long period with the same image in the display. Do you know, for instance, that samsung as applied in the new S8 a almost invisible scheme to move time to time the virtual home buttons to avoid burn the display?
It's exactly that: a ghost image. It is the first time I notice that
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It's exactly that: a ghost image. It is the first time I notice that
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Ok. It's common my friend, but most of people don't notice that bcause wallpapers are not bright enough or don't have regular colors etc. etc. For see the effect that AMOLED screen don't resist to much and burns easily, you can notice that in demo cellphones in retail stores. It's also the reason that sometimes they use videos instead static images...
There are a few apps in google store to fix that. What they do is being about 8 hours presenting strong colors to the screen alternately (I think for burning all the screen evenly). I tried some in my galaxy S5 but no results... Any case you can try...
The best thing to do since beginning to avoid the screen burn in is not abuse of screen brightness and do not use for a long time static images or images with strong sharp colors like the strong blue bar at top of Facebook...
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Ok. It's common my friend, but most of people don't notice that bcause wallpapers are not bright enough or don't have regular colors etc. etc. For see the effect that AMOLED screen don't resist to much and burns easily, you can notice that in demo cellphones in retail stores. It's also the reason that sometimes they use videos instead static images...
There are a few apps in google store to fix that. What they do is being about 8 hours presenting strong colors to the screen alternately (I think for burning all the screen evenly). I tried some in my galaxy S5 but no results... Any case you can try...
The best thing to do since beginning is not abuse of screen brightness and do not use so much time static images or images with strong sharp colors like the strong blue bar at top of Facebook...
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I don't see it in that screenshot or on my phone even.
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I don't see it in that screenshot or on my phone even.
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we don't see that in his screenshots because screenshot is a digital pure image, not the image that he sees in HIS display. For us to see the ghost image in his display he must take a photo with another outside camera
If you want to notice that in your own phone try to have a regular white image in your phone above all screen area. Perhaps you can notice already at least the battery percentage, watch digits, or wifi or network scale in notification status bar place. Try it
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we don't see that in his screenshots because screenshot is a digital pure image, not the image that he sees in HIS display. For us to see the ghost image in his display he must take a photo with another outside camera
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Is this problem with all phones? I have S8 plus and it doesn't seems to have this yet.
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Is this problem with all phones? I have S8 plus and it doesn't seems to have this yet.
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Yes is a problem of all AMOLED screen phones, like plasma tv's - burn-in screen problem, you can search in internet. If your phone is a S8, is too new to be burned already. Also If you take those advises I said probably the problem take more time to appear. Any case I wrote any posts above too the Samsung trick with home virtual buttons to avoid or disguise the burn-in and ghost image of home buttons. It's one reason that I prefer physic buttons...
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Yes is a problem of all AMOLED screen phones, like plasma tv's - burn-in screen problem, you can search in internet. If your phone is a S8, is too new to be burned already. Also If you take those advises I said probably the problem take more time to appear. Any case I wrote any posts above too the Samsung trick with home virtual buttons to avoid or disguise the burn-in and ghost image of home buttons. It's one reason that I prefer physic buttons...
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I also have s6edge edge plus which also has amoled screen. No problems yet. So I have to keep brightness to lower level and don't keep an image with bright colors yeah ?
How can S8 started having it?
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thahim said:
I also have s6edge edge plus which also has amoled screen. No problems yet. So I have to keep brightness to lower level and don't keep an image with bright colors yeah ?
How can S8 started having it?
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yes, more or less that you said. But first you must understand the technology. While LCD screens have a led light bulb that illuminate all screen and respective pixels (passive) and this ones not have own light, only take several colors, in amoled screen are the pixels who make the emission of light. This light of each pixel is too strong for it size. It's the reason why amoled screen is more detailed, vibrant colors, bright and with a infinite contrast. Now think, if you have a static image that is half white, half black it means that half pixels are turned on burning in the maximum while the other half ones are turned off spared. If this image are presented for a long time it means that half of pixels are already stressed while others are new in their maximum power of brightness. Now can you take easily your own conclusions why this happen and how can you try to avoid it? But it's only avoid a little bit, because in the end, there's no solution for it, unless you don't use the screen...
flechinha said:
yes, more or less that you said. But first you must understand the technology. While LCD screens have a led light bulb that illuminate all screen and respective pixels (passive) and this ones not have own light, only take several colors, in amoled screen are the pixels who make the emission of light. This light of each pixel is too strong for it size. It's the reason why amoled screen is more detailed, vibrant colors, bright and with a infinite contrast. Now think, if you have a static image that is half white, half black it means that half pixels are turned on burning in the maximum while the other half ones are turned off spared. If this image are presented for a long time it means that half of pixels are already stressed while others are new in their maximum power of brightness. Now can you take easily your own conclusions why this happen and how can you try to avoid it? But it's only avoid a little bit, because in the end, there's no solution for it, unless you don't use the screen...
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I didn't get this problem on my s6 edge plus
Anyways for how long is it safe to stay on same screen?
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I didn't get this problem on my s6 edge plus
Anyways for how long is it safe to stay on same screen?
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of course I can't secure to you how many minutes you must avoid to be on same screen! Simply try to avoid it as you can. For instance, I can tell you that my Samsung galaxy S5 suffered a display burn-in because I used S-view cover. The window area of the S-view case became dimmer (burnerer) because when it was close, only this area was illuminated at the maximum bright when notifications came like messages, mails or phone calls.
Also I became noticing that that area at the top of screen of notifications bar, wifi bar, network bar, battery and clock (that always is black) - in a regular color photo presentation that notification bar is not presented, that area was more brilliant because the pixels were most of time off, and also I could see the battery, wifi and clock ghost image. I became noticing that, after 6 months of purchased the cellphone...
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of course I can't secure to you how many minutes you must avoid to be on same screen! Simply try to avoid it as you can. For instance, I can tell you that my Samsung galaxy S5 suffered a display burn-in because I used S-view cover. The window area of the S-view case became dimmer (burnerer) because when it was close, only this area was illuminated at the maximum bright when notifications came like messages, mails or phone calls.
Also I became noticing that that area at the top of screen of notifications bar, wifi bar, network bar, battery and clock (that always is black) - in a regular color photo presentation that that notification bar doesn't appear, that area was more brilliant because the pixels were most of time off, and also I could see the battery, wifi and clock ghost image. I became noticing that, after 6 months of purchased the cellphone...
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If it's like that it must burn in the always on display part of the screen or the nav bar.
thahim said:
I didn't get this problem on my s6 edge plus
Anyways for how long is it safe to stay on same screen?
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If it's like that it must burn in the always on display part of the screen or the nav bar.
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As you can notice, the "always on" objects are moving time to time to avoid burn in of those pixels. The same for the home buttons in the galaxy S8. The black bar or tab in the top, or the blue bar in same area of facebook or other app's like some browsers, whatsapp etc. there's no chance to avoid the dimmer difference between the rest area and this one, also ghost numbers of clock, battery and so on. Of course as much of bright you have in scale, faster will be the burn-in effect and more you'll notice ghost images or tabs.
Me, to avoid that also, I installed a black theme background, not only to save battery ( in AMOLED screens white illumination screen area drain battery) as also to avoid white and strong color areas, cause these ones burn faster the pixels