Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
This is pretty normal, actually. The biggest disadvantage with AMOLED-screen phones is that the screens degenerate before you get rid of the phone. My Turbo 2 started getting screen burn-in about 5 months after I purchased it, but I exchanged that one for a new one. The On-screen buttons on an AMOLED display only makes the problem worse; AMOLED-screen phones with capacitive keys will only get burn in at the status bar, in typical conditions. Another thing: since the AMOLED screen is primarily made of a multitude of LEDs, these LEDs are driven very hard when white is displayed on the screen, and the LEDs turn themselves off when black is displayed on the screen, so that contrast between the black bar and the white buttons causes the bar to "reverse burn", where the bar will show colors the way the entire screen did when the phone was new, the other parts of the screen will be darker and dingier than the bar (and the status bar), and the on-screen buttons will be the dingiest part of the screen. Also, by "dingy", I mean the AMOLED, over time, will take a noticeable shift to yellow, where every color will have a yellowish cast, due to the Organic Decomposition of AMOLED screens (they are made of organic material) as well as the fact that the blue subpixels are the first to decompose, because they shine the brightest. The yellow shift over time cannot be changed or reversed. The on-screen keys and bar burn in can be slowed/ counteracted by downloading an app called GMD Immersive, which allows you to put your phone in Fullscreen mode in most situations you are using it. You do have to bring up the on-screen keys when you are using the keyboard, but in most other cases when the screen will be on for extended periods of time, the on-screen keys and black bar will not burn in as quicky and this app is a good thing to use to counteract this. However, the GMD Immersive app also allows you to take the status bar out of view, as well. This is a very good app for any AMOLED-screen phone to counteract the eventual burn-in that you will receive. *Side note* I know this is unrelated to what I just said, but the belief that AMOLED screens are more efficient than LCDs is not always true. It largely depends on the content you put on the screen. An AMOLED screen will be more efficient than the LCD when colors displayed on the screen are darker/closer to black, where the AMOLED's LEDs are not driven as hard or are not turned on at all, whereas the LCD's backlight is still active when displaying dark colors/blacks (It is a good idea to surf the web in invert cors on an AMOLED-screen phone if you want to save a lot of power). An LCD display is more efficient displaying lighter colors/whites, because the AMOLED's LEDs are driven very hard when displaying whites/lighter colors, and are shining brighter and using more power to do so, whereas the LCD's backlight is working no harder to display whites than it is to display darker colors. For my usage, LCDs would be more efficient than AMOLEDs due to the fact that most content I display on-screen is usually white or a lighter color.
AdmanAbou said:
Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
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It's usually not permanent, it's more image retention than burn-in. If you're worried about it, just run this program, or one like it regularly-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
CRT's and Plasma screens, however, are very prone to burn-in, especially Plasma. Screen Savers help on CRT's, and most newer Plasma displays have tools built-in to help keep the screen free of that. LCD and OLED screens are much less prone to burn-in, it can happen, it's just pretty rare.
californiarailroader said:
It's usually not permanent, it's more image retention than burn-in. If you're worried about it, just run this program, or one like it regularly-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
CRT's and Plasma screens, however, are very prone to burn-in, especially Plasma. Screen Savers help on CRT's, and most newer Plasma displays have tools built-in to help keep the screen free of that. LCD and OLED screens are much less prone to burn-in, it can happen, it's just pretty rare.
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It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
I haven't had any screen burn since my Galaxy S4. And i just checked my Z and nothing. I have about 5 hours of OST a day and have been using this since launch.
AdmanAbou said:
It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
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No, it isn't always permanent.
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No, it isn't always permanent.
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I sure hope not. Still trying that app. Verizon offered to replace it, but I don't know if it'll just keep happening.
AdmanAbou said:
It is permanent, and running that app for hours and a bit each day didn't fix it. After using another phone for a few minutes, I noticed just how yellow the screen on my Z Force had become in just a month. I'm so sad. I really wanted to love this phone but now I just see yellow sadness.
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What I would do is simply get a replacement Z force, and when u do get your replacement, I would use an app called GMD Immersive (look it up on the play store), which will allow you to slide your on-screen keys in and out of view, and/or your status bar as well. My turbo 2 got burn in after 3 months of using it, but ever since I started using GMD Immersive on my replacement Turbo 2 (the other had battery issues) I have little to no burn in even after 2 1/2 months of use.
I know this sounds silly but are you sure you don't have some shift enabled that makes the color temp plummet in the evening?
Since Apple came out with night shift there are people taking their phones in because they are yellow at night! LOL
Really hope mine dosnt get screen burn. Im using the gmd app as suggested but I find the keyboard gets buggy. My Moto XF also got burns after few months. Really hope this isn't the case for this beauty of a phone.
Waiting on a warranty replacement from Moto. Had to take pictures showing the burned in images and email them. Going to try the app from day one and hope for the best.
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Yup just noticed mine has a highly visible burn. That's just crazy. My 3 year old nexus 6 has no burn at all. I would request a warranty but I do not want a refurbished phone.
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Could the yellow be from the plastic upper screen protector?
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This is pretty normal, actually. The biggest disadvantage with AMOLED-screen phones is that the screens degenerate before you get rid of the phone. My Turbo 2 started getting screen burn-in about 5 months after I purchased it, but I exchanged that one for a new one. The On-screen buttons on an AMOLED display only makes the problem worse; AMOLED-screen phones with capacitive keys will only get burn in at the status bar, in typical conditions. Another thing: since the AMOLED screen is primarily made of a multitude of LEDs, these LEDs are driven very hard when white is displayed on the screen, and the LEDs turn themselves off when black is displayed on the screen, so that contrast between the black bar and the white buttons causes the bar to "reverse burn", where the bar will show colors the way the entire screen did when the phone was new, the other parts of the screen will be darker and dingier than the bar (and the status bar), and the on-screen buttons will be the dingiest part of the screen. Also, by "dingy", I mean the AMOLED, over time, will take a noticeable shift to yellow, where every color will have a yellowish cast, due to the Organic Decomposition of AMOLED screens (they are made of organic material) as well as the fact that the blue subpixels are the first to decompose, because they shine the brightest. The yellow shift over time cannot be changed or reversed. The on-screen keys and bar burn in can be slowed/ counteracted by downloading an app called GMD Immersive, which allows you to put your phone in Fullscreen mode in most situations you are using it. You do have to bring up the on-screen keys when you are using the keyboard, but in most other cases when the screen will be on for extended periods of time, the on-screen keys and black bar will not burn in as quicky and this app is a good thing to use to counteract this. However, the GMD Immersive app also allows you to take the status bar out of view, as well. This is a very good app for any AMOLED-screen phone to counteract the eventual burn-in that you will receive. *Side note* I know this is unrelated to what I just said, but the belief that AMOLED screens are more efficient than LCDs is not always true. It largely depends on the content you put on the screen. An AMOLED screen will be more efficient than the LCD when colors displayed on the screen are darker/closer to black, where the AMOLED's LEDs are not driven as hard or are not turned on at all, whereas the LCD's backlight is still active when displaying dark colors/blacks (It is a good idea to surf the web in invert cors on an AMOLED-screen phone if you want to save a lot of power). An LCD display is more efficient displaying lighter colors/whites, because the AMOLED's LEDs are driven very hard when displaying whites/lighter colors, and are shining brighter and using more power to do so, whereas the LCD's backlight is working no harder to display whites than it is to display darker colors. For my usage, LCDs would be more efficient than AMOLEDs due to the fact that most content I display on-screen is usually white or a lighter color.
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I have/had burn issues with my Moto G4 (IPS LCD Display). The problem is in the pure whites on screen, those are the objects which burn in. Since pure Android Marshmallow or Nougat don't provide a different colour tone setting, I worked around it by downloading a Bluelight Filter app (I recommend Hardy-Infinity's filter). I select the neutral black filter and put the intensity to 11%. that resolves all the burn ins, while used.
It's quite an annoying problem, and the only reason why I refrain from buying anymore pure Android phones, until the OS comes with an integrated screen tone setting.
This "issue" is totally normal with an OLED display, and there's really nothing that can be done to stop it, or "correct" it, other than not use the display!
The menu bar will be the most noticeable artifact in the early going, but with years of use you'll see the entire screen, with the exception of the typically-black menu-bar area(!), will no longer be as bright. The whites will be more grayish and the colours will be more muted.
All-in-all, you'll probably never really notice or care about it, but that said, no magical app is going to restore what is a natural, unavoidable, process for these screens.
Well, a relative of mine got the Z Force for Christmas last year, and the screen had severe burn in and the shattershield was fuzzy from discoloration and hairline scratches. The burn in was so severe that the navigation bar, the notification bar and home screen icons were all visible on solid backgrounds. Fortunately, Verizon replaced it under warranty. I've loved Motorola since the StarTac days and have recommended them to everyone, but seeing the burn in issues on the Z and the lack of innovation in the Z2 Force, I can't recommend them anymore.
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AdmanAbou said:
Last night I noticed that my soft keys and notification bar have already started to burn into my phone. I was planning on keeping this phone for years. Is this happening to anyone else? Should I try to get a replacement? It is still a pretty brand new phone.
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Yes, the screen burn issue is real, very real. Among other user + upside down port-a-potty issues constantly popping up.
I had experimental high contrast text on for minimal time but think it likely had more to do with me leaving vibrant colors mode set on for a couple months before I noticed the burn-in of Google emblem and notification bar.. yep, the same notification bar that always is wasting scarce screen space instead of scrolling up and away like on every decent phone on the market.
I enjoyed my Droid X as a more user friendly and functional device than the MOTO Z, which has been an ongoing hate-hate dysfunctional relationship.
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As seen by the NoLED app over in the dev section, and in a few other places on the net, people are finding that when they display a black image on their amoled/samoled screens in a dark room there is still light emitted by the display. it is not truly black
I would like to know why!
One thing i hear is about image compression and signal noise causing the pixels to not display #000000 black and instead a variant of black/grey causing the pixel to become lit.
This problem is not an issue during the day, i can't tell the difference when my screen is displaying black or off. but what it does effect is battery life.
If the screen isn't powering down its pixels then it is not saving anywhere near as much power as it could do
Also
How happy are you with your display?
I knew about the pentile problem before buying, however i am not dissatisfied with the display at all. Infact if i did not read up about it i would not have realised there was anything different with the screen.
Text is clear and sharp, images are vibrant, and colours seem true with no issue of pink problems like the desire
looool, look at any lcd screen(tv whatsoever) and you don't have true black, because the backlight is on. Only the best LED LCD screens in TV world have FULL LED backlight that can dim the leds from parts of the screen that are fully black in the processed image.
take care
yup, if you take apart your LCD watch, phone, laptop or monitor
you'll see 2 layers, first layer the LCD/TFT/AMOLED/SAMOLED/etc whatever new technology screen you can think of name it here.
then the bottom layer is pretty much like a light bulb/white led/ccfl or whatever you want to call it to light up the first portion of the screen.
most devices you can control the 2 separate pieces separately via "screen" and "back light"
you'll noticed that usually on software options what specifically lets you control both indedpendly.
Eh.. Yes But the SGS hade OLED screen. So it should be able to turn pixels completly off. My guess is that each led has some very small current applied to it possibly to speed up response off screen.
But it come close to true blacks..
EDIT
OLED screen has NO backlight... Each pixel is an tiny led...
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thanks for the heads up, that's good to know
i've yet to take apart a new SGS to figure out how the AMOLED displays works
You guys need educating on displays lol
oled screens have no backlight, thus no backlight bleed.
That means that this is a software issue, unless the screen not powering down completely is intentional
Software issue and nothing more.
Open up the calculator, drag down the numpad, hide the 2 stripes (status bar and numpad drag bar) in the top and bottom of the screen, and tell me if you see any lighting.
There's absolutely nothing.
there is still light emitted. cover up the top and bottom bar with your hands, go into a completely dark room then look into the center of the screen.
There is a uniform glow, just like when looking at a black image in the gallery or browser
It's actually more noticeable if you look AWAY. The peripheral area of your retina will be able to pick up a very feeble amount of light. Feeble, sure, but it's there nonetheless.
seriously, guys?
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seriously, guys?
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The problem is that the way it is supposed to work is that if you display black, the screen shouldn't use any energy at all but it is and people can see it and so is using precious battery charge.
The issue is... that apps like noled which were going to display a red dot on the screen to let people know if they had mail waiting or whatever wouldnt use much power at all because they were displaying mainly a black screen but it isnt actually black and still using light so still chews through the power..
hope that made sense.. but that is why people are interested in it..
Ok, I missed the battery part, sorry If so, it is indeed an annoyance...
I thought people were seriously complaining about image quality.
I have the Samsung wave and it uses the same screen technology and I can tell that it does not have true blacks pixels are still lit, I can easily tell that its on and totally off there is a very faint trace amount of light produced..
Since I first got this device and turned it on I have been impressed with the display. I am kind of partial to AMOLED diplays and am, thus, a bit biased. What surprised me was that it "appeared" sharper than the display on the Nexus One. Considering it is slightly larger and at the same resolution I just assumed that it wasn't using the PenTile arrangement - yet it appears that it does in fact use the same subpixel arrangement as the screen on the Nexus One. My point is... now I've forgotten my point. Basically that I am more than satisfied with this display.
As far as the black issue is concerned I have no idea. There must be some reason considering that was one of the supposed strengths of this technology (i.e. true blacks and lower power consumption).
El Mono
wait so why would you display an image if you want to save battery?
really
How many of you have measured how much power is being used up when the display is displaying a true black image(measured with multimeter, or other measuring device)
How many of you have made sure that the glow is not caused by a residual charge in the display?
How many of you know how much time it takes for the "glow" to leave an OLED panel when power is not being applied?
just some food for thought
The thing is, amoled screens were advertised as having true blacks and having the pixels off when displaying black. this is clearly not the case
It's not an issue with the technology. The screen doesn't have a back lighting panel, so i think it's more of a problem of what shade is default defined as "black" in the system, or something with any current running through the screen.
Well considering the screen doesn't turn off when displaying a 100% black bitmap image, its safe to say that the say that the pixels NEVER turn themselves off during use when displaying black
Could be the screen isn't calibrated properly, or they lied to us about the tech(wouldn't be the first time).
While its not "true black" it is defenently beyond what any backlit screentype can do regarding blacks.
Except perhaps for the retina display forged by god himself
But I agree that if Samsung states True black then it should be able to do that.
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I own both Samsung Captivate and Focus, both devices have SUPER AMOLED screen. Both devices have burn-in problem after months of usage.
Captivate:
I could see the notification bar on top of the screen with the fuzzy clock and battery indicator burn-in to the screen with very pale color especially very noticeable with a white screen! I also saw AT&T stores had these demo units experiencing the exact problem! I then called up Samsung to replace the Super AMOLED screen. Now it's fine but very annoying.
Samsung Focus:
I just got mine in Dec and didn't use a lot on that device. There is a very good reason why WP7 has to hide those status indicators on top to prevent Super AMOLED screen burn-in problem. I also checked out the demo units in AT&T stores, all of the Focus had Windows Phone 7 logo burn-in to the screen at the top left corner due to the static logo constantly playing on the demo mode.
In conclusion:
SUPER AMOLED screen's quality life-time is still short compare to LCDs. Given about 2 months of usage, 8 hours a day with static image such as notification bars for example, burn-in issue is inevitable! In real-life daily usage, give it about 2.6 hrs a day, your screen will be burnt after 6 months.
NEVER USE SUPER AMOLED SCREEN WITH STATIC IMAGE!
On my phone the screen isn't on for very long periods. Even when I am talking on it if near my face the screen is off.
How does this compare to your experience?
Does a phone in demo mode have the screen on constantly?
The only reson OLED isn't so widely used is because of its limited life span (especially on blue color). From what I read in the past, it is very difficult to get blue channel pixels pass 2,000 hours of life span. Not sure if AMOLED or SAMOLED made any advancement in this area. So, the precautions should always be taken. Let your phone screen on 8-hour a day is not a good approach. That's why there is a setting to let phone go into sleep and turn off the display.
My Captivate has been working flawless since August 2010 with zero image retention or burn in.
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The only reson OLED isn't so widely used is because of its limited life span (especially on blue color). From what I read in the past, it is very difficult to get blue channel pixels pass 2,000 hours of life span. Not sure if AMOLED or SAMOLED made any advancement in this area. So, the precautions should always be taken. Let your phone screen on 8-hour a day is not a good approach. That's why there is a setting to let phone go into sleep and turn off the display.
My Captivate has been working flawless since August 2010 with zero image retention or burn in.
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How many hours per day do you keep your screen turned on? I would give that minimum 480 hrs with static image to experience burn-in. No need to wait 2000 hrs of life-time in Blue Channel in AMOLED.
The life-time of the entire Super AMOLED is here and I'm also being conservative: 480Hrs to start to get burn-in issue using AT&T store demo units as reference.
wildbilll said:
On my phone the screen isn't on for very long periods. Even when I am talking on it if near my face the screen is off.
How does this compare to your experience?
Does a phone in demo mode have the screen on constantly?
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I use skype and bluetooth headsets alot, so screen shut down may not happen at all until i manually shut off the screen. Moreover, using GPS navigation will definitely cause burn-in problem with static images such as the miles, eta, notification bar, clock, battery indicator, etc.
Android is just not a good OS for Super AMOLED. WP7 on the other hand is for Super AMOLED.
I'd estimate less than 30 minutes total per day (only counts screen on time). So, 480 hrs should let me use my phone for 960 days, or way beyond my tolerance for an *old* phone.
If I'm sitting in a meeting broswing internet or reading news using some apps, almost all of them are full screen and won't necessary have static images on the fixed locations.
Turn the brightness down (I use auto brightness setting) and don't let the screen on for extended period. You will be fine.
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Android is just not a good OS for Super AMOLED. WP7 on the other hand is for Super AMOLED.
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I have to agree. The metro color schem (black in most of the screen) is the best way to reduce AMOLED battery usage and lower the potential burn-in risk.
squarejp said:
I own both Samsung Captivate and Focus, both devices have SUPER AMOLED screen. Both devices have burn-in problem after months of usage.
Captivate:
I could see the notification bar on top of the screen with the fuzzy clock and battery indicator burn-in to the screen with very pale color especially very noticeable with a white screen! I also saw AT&T stores had these demo units experiencing the exact problem! I then called up Samsung to replace the Super AMOLED screen. Now it's fine but very annoying.
Samsung Focus:
I just got mine in Dec and didn't use a lot on that device. There is a very good reason why WP7 has to hide those status indicators on top to prevent Super AMOLED screen burn-in problem. I also checked out the demo units in AT&T stores, all of the Focus had Windows Phone 7 logo burn-in to the screen at the top left corner due to the static logo constantly playing on the demo mode.
In conclusion:
SUPER AMOLED screen's quality life-time is still short compare to LCDs. Given about 2 months of usage, 8 hours a day with static image such as notification bars for example, burn-in issue is inevitable! In real-life daily usage, give it about 2.6 hrs a day, your screen will be burnt after 6 months.
NEVER USE SUPER AMOLED SCREEN WITH STATIC IMAGE!
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I have both devices and neither or them display image retention. What method or program are you using to test this?
I downloaded a flashlight app on the captivate and on the Focus so I could turn the whole screen white. I also adjusted it to other color,s still see no burned in images.
I've had my Captivate and Focus since day one when they were first released by AT&T.
Go to any AT&T cooperate stores to check out all the burn-in screens. For captivate I use screen test. It cycles from white, black, green, red, blue, and other pallets. I can garauntee you that all Super AMOLED screens are the same given static images and keep the screen turned on such as notification bar, full battery notification, GPS app.
If you don't have any burn-in problems that means you haven't used the screen long enough even you got your devices since launch.
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If you don't have any burn-in problems that means you haven't used the screen long enough even you got your devices since launch.
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The key here is to keep the screen-on time as short as possible. For normal usage, it will be fine. Will it have burn in 2 or 3 years down the road? Sure, but I probably have to dig it out from the bottom of my drawer to check it out by then. I'd rather enjoy my sharp crispy and colorful SAMOLED for 2 years than worry about burn-in and settle for murky, low contrast and washed out color of the LCD screen for 2 years.
Store demos are the worse case senario.
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I'd rather enjoy my sharp crispy and colorful SAMOLED for 2 years than worry about burn-in and settle for murky, low contrast and washed out color of the LCD screen for 2 years.
Store demos are the worse case senario.
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Very true! But still people really need to beware of their SUPER AMOLED screen. But for gamers...... make sure don't allow a static screen staying on for too long.
Well, I was reading an email yesterday on my focus and noticed that the smiley message icon was like a little ghost in the background. I also noticed the circle/arrow icon. I use orange on black mainly. I moved the tiles around a bit, we'll see if it goes away.
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Well, I was reading an email yesterday on my focus and noticed that the smiley message icon was like a little ghost in the background. I also noticed the circle/arrow icon. I use orange on black mainly. I moved the tiles around a bit, we'll see if it goes away.
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and disappeared?
No, it did not go away. It's only visible on white screens, but it is definitely there. I guess I'm going to drop by the at&t store to see if it's a warranty issue, but I highly doubt it. My guess is I'm stuck with it. Since I use the black theme it's not a huge issue, but when I switch to the white theme it looks pretty awful.
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Very true! But still people really need to beware of their SUPER AMOLED screen. But for gamers...... make sure don't allow a static screen staying on for too long.
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Why beware? Image Persistance can happen on any screen that is left running static for long periods of time. In most of the AT&T stores that I have been in the demo units are set to stay up and running for which I can only assume is to attract people. This will cause the image persistance that you are talking about. These phones screens also get used a lot more than your personal cell will.
Use your phone and don't worry about something that may or may not happen. In two years or less you will likely have a new one anyway.
Hilarious!
This reminds me of the times where projector tvs and lately plasma tvs exhibit the same not-suitable-for-gaming problem! LOL
That's one of the reasons I got the Motorola Atrix with its LCD screen!
My previous smartphone was a Nexus One and even though it didn't exhibit ghosting problems, I always tried to use it as little as possible and used the screen on its dimmest setting.
Now I can leave the screen on at full brightness for hours (like for GPS driving for instance) without any remorse!
I have the the imprint of Internet Explorer Mobile's chome burned onto my screen.
1+ hour of continuing browsing daily.
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I have the the imprint of Internet Explorer Mobile's chome burned onto my screen.
1+ hour of continuing browsing daily.
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Im a high internet user and txtin user etc.. and on my old galaxy s i had the qwerty keyboard burnt onto my screen and not i have my galaxy s2 i can see the same thing startin to happen. For me if this isnt sorted by the time i get another phone in say a yr n half, as much as i adore my amoled screens im defo not goin down that rd again, wat a shame they cnt sort this out, and they r makin thousands of phones and tablets with these screens, so not cool samsung
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Im a high internet user and txtin user etc.. and on my old galaxy s i had the qwerty keyboard burnt onto my screen and not i have my galaxy s2 i can see the same thing startin to happen. For me if this isnt sorted by the time i get another phone in say a yr n half, as much as i adore my amoled screens im defo not goin down that rd again, wat a shame they cnt sort this out, and they r makin thousands of phones and tablets with these screens, so not cool samsung
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They have been trying very hard in the past decade or so. The main problem is the blue channel pixels' life span. Most companies have ditched their effort and move to other technologies. That's the main reason why there is no consumer TVs made of the OLED screens other than the $4000 Sony 14" OLED tv.
Unless there is a scientific breakthrough, this situation will remain for years to come.
Has anyone dealt with Samsung Tech support on this issue I just got off the phone with them and they wanted me to do a Hard reset. I tried to explain that this was a physical issue, but they still wanted to follow their script.
Now they have sent me a label to send it off but want me to remove my SD card. It ismy understanding that this card is bonded to the phone and cannot be used in a replacement phone if they send me one. I am going to call them back ut based on my previous conversation I am not holding out hope that anyone there will know what I am talking about.
Hi
I am a little worried about burn in issue. So i would like to hide status bar to minimize it. I have heard some galaxy s2 users have this issue.
I tried several launchers and they only hide status bar on launcher screens. When I use application it does not hide it.
I am wondering if there is any way I can hide status bar all the time.
Thanks
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Burn in? Wow, it's been a few years since I have heard that term! I see no reason why the Galaxy Note, or the S2 for that matter should ever have a burn in issue...the technology just does not allow that to happen...
On another not, the Note and the S2 have different screens. The S2 uses a Super AMOLED Plus RGB, while the Note used a Super AMOLED Pentile.
All AMOLED have potential burn in issue. See wiki page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED
Unfortunately it is more likely to happen compared to LCD or IPS as AMOLED as it burns itself.
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Unless you're using your Note as a primary display for your desktop and leaving it on 20 hours a day, I don't think there's much of a chance of burning in...
Unless you're gonna contantly use your Note for 5+ years, don't worry about it.
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Burn in? Wow, it's been a few years since I have heard that term! I see no reason why the Galaxy Note, or the S2 for that matter should ever have a burn in issue...the technology just does not allow that to happen...
On another not, the Note and the S2 have different screens. The S2 uses a Super AMOLED Plus RGB, while the Note used a Super AMOLED Pentile.
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This wins silliest post of the week.
AmoLED's are notorious for burning wearing out especially blues and greens. Look at any galaxy S gt-i9000 that have been used for more than 4-6 months and you can clearly see the wearing out of the led's where the notification bar is static.
Static images on an amoled screen eventually wear out the pixels fading them out. This is a known fact and I'm reminded of it every time I look at my galaxy s.
regarding the OP's question. LauncherPro among other 3rd party launchers only allow hiding of the notification bar on the home screen. There are several google help forum posts asking google to implement a setting that would allow you to hide the notification bar in apps. The official request was denied by google citing that the notification bar is an integral part of the android os and therefore should be constant throughout apps. Now there are apps that require full screen pixel width like angry birds and such but that is only if the developer codes the app to NOT show the notification bar.
Bottom line its up to developer to include a hide notification bar setting as google will not cook it into the OS as an option.
Hope this helps.
Here is the official google response from an android dev http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9063
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Thank you inurb. Now I understand why I cannot hide status bar.
Thank you again.
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ADW Launcher has a feature that hides the notification bar when you swipe UP on the screen. Apart from that, if we can change the fonts on a regular basis, we might avoid this issue.
Is the process of burn-in similar to that on Plasma TV screens?? Then the solutions (or things to avoid) would be the same as well for SuperAMOLEDs. There wouldn't be any apps available that could facilitate pixel shifting, would there??
I come from the land of LCD, so I'm terrified of any possibility of burn-in on the new shiny monster!
BTW, Go Launcher EX also has the option of hiding the notification bar (and the dock menus as well!)
I've had the PM from the clock on the status bar burned into my Samsung Captivate's screen....as well as the digits from the clock but they're less defined.
If you are like me, you use the device 50% portrait and 50% landscape.
Wouldn't that pretty much eliminate the burn in concern?
I had the Wave/S1/S2 all of them had this "Burn-in" or rather burn out issue. The Galaxy S2 had the shortest time of only 2 months of use while the Samsung Wave took about 9 months and the S1 about 4. Only the "M" sumbol and the battery indicator burned in though.
Hi All,
came across this thread when looking for a solution for SGS1.
it seems that Burn in is indeed a problem for AMOLED screens.
in my situation, I've found a burn cause by Waze (of course, any app that would leave the screen on would cause it).
sadly enough, my phone is only 6 months old and I use Waze ~30 min. a day - not much for a burn you think? wrong!
for now, i've set Waze to hide the point bar and the zoom control, but still many objects on the screen are static - including the notification bar.
does anyone has a good solution?
I'm wondering if "burn-in" has to partially do with the environment the phone is being used in (the other being reason being a bad batch). For example, tropical (ie. "hot") environments may cause screen issues sooner because the screen can't cope with the heat?
I had my S2 for about 7 months before getting the Note and the screen was on around 40-50 minutes a day. Didn't notice any burn-in during the entire time. I always kept the phone's screen out of direct sunlight, and it was winter/autumn during the time I was using my S2.
I saw an S2 got a burn in within 2 months for the lock screen. =)
It's not just burn-in, I believe it's a combination of the burn-in and the specific colors in the LEDs dimming (i.e., losing their initial brightness).
It's best to change wallpapers every so often to make sure that the LED colors are wearing out evenly. If not, over time, you'll get weird tints in parts of the screen due to a dimming of certain colors, etc.
This burn in issue is very troubling to me and may force me to reevaluate my intention of getting the Note. I just Googled AMOLED and the Wikipedia article seems to imply the organic material degrades over time and I'm thinking this is the cause of the so called burn in issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
The other thing it mentions is the dramatic difference in power the display uses depending on the colors being displayed with black letter on a white background eating more than 4X the power of white letters on a black background.
This bothers me not just because I was planning to get the Note but I was also looking at the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7. If a phone has problems with burn in problems in as little as half a year how long before a tab with an AMOLED/SAMOLED display has the burn in issue.
On the upside, knowing that switching the colors can greatly reduce battery drain is good to know...
Brian
Yup, this is why I still prefer standard LCD currently, or Super LCD. Sure, the blacks aren't blacks, but at least the tech is tried and true. =)
Raptor1956 said:
This burn in issue is very troubling to me and may force me to reevaluate my intention of getting the Note. I just Googled AMOLED and the Wikipedia article seems to imply the organic material degrades over time and I'm thinking this is the cause of the so called burn in issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOLED
The other thing it mentions is the dramatic difference in power the display uses depending on the colors being displayed with black letter on a white background eating more than 4X the power of white letters on a black background.
This bothers me not just because I was planning to get the Note but I was also looking at the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7. If a phone has problems with burn in problems in as little as half a year how long before a tab with an AMOLED/SAMOLED display has the burn in issue.
On the upside, knowing that switching the colors can greatly reduce battery drain is good to know...
Brian
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Hardly a fix but I use Opera for web browsing so the status bar is hidden for me (and full screen browsing is lovely )
inurb said:
This wins silliest post of the week.
AmoLED's are notorious for burning wearing out especially blues and greens. Look at any galaxy S gt-i9000 that have been used for more than 4-6 months and you can clearly see the wearing out of the led's where the notification bar is static.
Static images on an amoled screen eventually wear out the pixels fading them out. This is a known fact and I'm reminded of it every time I look at my galaxy s.
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It's something you "Tech guys" seam to leave out when you do your iPhone vs Android discussions, I have never read up about it anywhere. You would think such a glaring problem with be talked about more. I'll have to look into it more now that I am waiting on the White Note from hantec.(coming from the iPhone 4 that I have had for 18 months now with no issues other then the inferiority complex in screen size)
Just got my HK version of the 16GB Wi-Fi only model last week. So far the 7.7 is pretty darn great. One issue I'm noticing though:
For the first few days I was using the Screen Filter app by haxor industry, so I could comfortable use the tablet at night in bed. The app, however, did not properly dim the status bar containing the navigation buttons & notification tray. I changed my dimming app to ScreenDim, which did the trick.
Now however--when dimming is enabled, and holding the tablet in landscape--- I'm noticing that there is discoloring in the exact area where the portrait-oriented status bar is positioned. The tablet looks fine when I'm working within any of the built-in brightness levels.
Anyone else experiencing anything similar?
Had mine now for just over a week. Have not noticed any burn in so far. Will watch out for it..
Many people claim to have seen the burn in effect of AMOLED. I been using my Galaxy S i9000 close to a year now but I do not notice anything. Maybe is my usage pattern. I don't usually spend more than an hour continuously on the screen. I'll pay more attention to the display unit when I drop by the phone shop next time.
If you are worry, you can try the HideBar apk that hide the status bar, but you need root. I tried it and it's working.
http://ppareit.github.com/HideBar/
I've had mine since the 7th Jan and I have the image burn - the status bar.. Not bothered by it though..
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This is likely due to the fact that the notification icons are blue coloured. In OLED displays, blue sub-pixels degrade faster than either red or green due to the fact that they have to be run at higher power levels to produce the same light levels as the red and green.
All OLED screens degrade and suffer burn-in sooner or later; you cannot avoid this.
Personally, I haven't yet experienced the burn-in effect with my unit, but perhaps another solution to delaying this inevitability is to create a modified build.prop which changes the overall blue theme to green instead?
The SAMOLED+ screen on my SGS2 from last May hasn't shown any signs of degradation yet, probably from the green theme of gingerbread.
Just thought I would chime in here. I just recently sold my GS2 which never did what my Galaxy Nexus does. From time to time when I move about through apps or screens I can still see feint remnants from the previous screen. The best example is going from my home screen to the market where my clock widget is still visible for a few seconds. I can turn my screen off and then on or just continue navigating until it disappears. If this is similar to what my Galaxy Nexus does then I believe it's not really an issue at all. (Although I was expecting differently from the Tabs screen since it's a Plus whereas this is not.)
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Okay, while I don't have the status bar "burn in" yet, I notice that when using the Screen Filter apps to dim the screen, the lower part of the screen (near the Samsung logo) is dimmer than the rest of the screen no matter when it is view in portrait or landscape. I'm not sure if this is cause by the apps itself or the display panel having unequal brightness. No problem when operating with the device standard lowest brightness.
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Okay, while I don't have the status bar "burn in" yet, I notice that when using the Screen Filter apps to dim the screen, the lower part of the screen (near the Samsung logo) is dimmer than the rest of the screen no matter when it is view in portrait or landscape. I'm not sure if this is cause by the apps itself or the display panel having unequal brightness. No problem when operating with the device standard lowest brightness.
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Yes; this is exactly what I am experiencing. Assuming it's not the dimming applications' doing, I was wondering if Samsung configure the screen like this on purpose...perhaps as a preventative measure thinking the edge by the Samsung logo would have the static image of status bar the majority of the time in daily use.
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This is likely due to the fact that the notification icons are blue coloured. In OLED displays, blue sub-pixels degrade faster than either red or green due to the fact that they have to be run at higher power levels to produce the same light levels as the red and green.
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Yeah Samsung are geniuses. They can produce the screen, but don't know the limitations. You would think they would avoid using blue for cumpulsory static images that you can't turn off. I don't know why they couldn't use red, green, or yellow in that area and avoid any color with blue in it, including white.
Dumb. dumb. dumb.
DaveC1964 said:
Yeah Samsung are geniuses. They can produce the screen, but don't know the limitations. You would think they would avoid using blue for cumpulsory static images that you can't turn off. I don't know why they couldn't use red, green, or yellow in that area and avoid any color with blue in it, including white.
Dumb. dumb. dumb.
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Agreed. It is quite an oversight.
Having said that, I haven't yet had any burn-in issues with my unit, even with my screen at full brightness just about all the time.
I found a yellowish mark in the same place of status bar when I hide it or change from portrait position to landscape position .. and I can see it only in gray screen like market or settings. I use my tab only for 1 week . Is it burn in? . Dose it go away by itself when I hide the status bar for a long time?
I think it won't go away. Mine got the same yellowwish on the status bar. Actually I love this phone more than any other devices I used to use before but it actually annoy me with this bug screen.
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I was going to sell mine and buy another one.. but now I think I will keep it because this screen bug will be in the most of this device
I must be lucky! I've had my device for almost a month now, run my screen at 100%, and I have yet to experience any issues whatsoever! Odd... Not complaining though!
I'm just wondering is there anyways to fix this bug screen? Is that any firmwares can fix it? I think we should complain to Samsung for this burn screen. It is very annoying :-(
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This bug is more visable at low brightness
I have mine for over three weeks now and I've no discoloration in the status bar area and I'm using the Tab a lot.
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Not all screens are created equally so others may not have burn-ins over 2yrs while others will get it as early as 2 weeks.
Just have it replaced and hope for a better screen.
How much u pay for replacement? Mine can't cuz here no warrenty :-( so sad
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Hi everyone!
As we all know, we're drawing close to the magical two-year anniversary since the Galaxy S was first released. Given all the time that has passed, our screen probably has seen pretty heavy usage, and as we know AMOLEDs degrade with use, it seems pretty inevitable that as time wears on, more and more people will be encountering burn-in on their screens. I'm sure that as XDA users, lots of us use our phone much more than the average layperson, and given an even more select group of us are diehard power users, a few of us would have noticed it much, much earlier.
Other forums have their own *****ing threads about burn-in, so I decided to create this thread for people to discuss their own experiences on the Galaxy S. Have any of you encountered your screen burning in yet? What's the silliest burn-in that you know of? Were you even aware that your AMOLED screen could burn in? I'm pretty sure some poor chap thought he could use his Galaxy S as a bedside clock, and wound up with a clockface permanently branded into his screen.
I'll start the ball rolling: I use a pure black status bar on my phone, as is typical of most custom ROMs here, so I have a clear bluish strip along the top of my screen. Blue AMOLEDs have a shorter half-life than red or green, so as the AMOLEDs on the rest of the screen slowly fade with use and become gradually and imperceptibly less bluish, the ones at the top of my screen are preserved, hence the strange appearance. This should be a farely common pattern of burn-in, so I would be surprised if many people don't have it as well.
Yep ditto on blue ghostly status bar burn-in here
It's not really visible over 10% brightness so it hasn't really bothered me though
My SGS has the SMS layout burnt onto my screen as well. It's not very obvious, but you can see "shadows" of it if you view the phone's screen from a certain angle with a white background.
I always use my phone in lowest brights possible, hence there is not much burn in for my screen. Only a little bit burn in where status bar's clock is. Other than that, nothing noticeable. :-D
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