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Wow, did any of you see this? It's real, and it's tempting me away from my evo
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/the-playstation-phone/#disqus_thread
been rumored since psp was released. highly doubt it will be for sprint though =/
Not interested. Especially if the rumors about Apple buying Sony come true.
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Not interested. Especially if the rumors about Apple buying Sony come true.
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those rumors are 100% false. Why in the world would apple spend OVER HALF their money on acquiring a company like sony. And why in the world would sony even agree on a buy out when they make ****loads from their laptops and televisions.
I was just on att.com and just for kicks I wanted to see if they still sold the Vivaz (Of course they still do). Then we I was doing my search I saw they NO LONGER HAVE THE X10 on their website. I am really sad to see this but I guess its being replaced by the Play, Arc, Neo, and the Pro.
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I was just on att.com and just for kicks I wanted to see if they still sold the Vivaz (Of course they still do). Then we I was doing my search I saw they NO LONGER HAVE THE X10 on their website. I am really sad to see this but I guess its being replaced by the Play, Arc, Neo, and the Pro.
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yup x10 is old.
That Guy Is Here said:
I was just on att.com and just for kicks I wanted to see if they still sold the Vivaz (Of course they still do). Then we I was doing my search I saw they NO LONGER HAVE THE X10 on their website. I am really sad to see this but I guess its being replaced by the Play, Arc, Neo, and the Pro.
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EOL was found out before Xmas but it was supposed to be a few more weeks, they just carried through early it seems. Now there are people who are wondering if they will ever release another branded update to the phone. Since it's EOL, it's unlikely. IMHO.
As for the new phones? Well they don't show up in any discussion of the 12 Android phone/devices they are supposed to carry in 2011, most of the slots are already filled with HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Dell products. They have not announced any SE phone agreements, there are no actual rumors of any phones on ATT only assumptions.
Rogers, and Verizon have been confirmed as Xperia Play carriers. Verizon is supposed to have some sort of exclusive on it for the short term. Maybe SE will also put it on Sprint. There may be official unlocked versions available from the Sony Style stores and unlocked Rogers on ebay as in the past.
Frankly, IMHO, Arc and Neo are meh phones hardware wise compared to some of the others announced. Play is the one phone that is truly different with the game controllers, but the question becomes 'How Much?' I'm not going to pay a few hundred for any of these, and I'm beholding to my X10 until 2012 like most ATT customers who got the X10a.
The NGP (now the PSP2) is not supposed to out-price a PS3 ($299). It's much more powerful than the Play and is supposed to have 3G. If you are really a gamer, wouldn't you rather have a PSP2? and a bluetooth headset?
I can't see the Play going unlocked for $500 or 600. It just doesn't have the kind of specs for that, and $250(?) on contract still seems pricey for something that doesn't have 500mb internal storage and LTE/HSPDA+ chips or a dual core.
Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
bollywood69 said:
Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Yup you're right, it's weird, why wouldn't they release it in the states? Releasing it with upgraded specs would also be a bad thing, what would the rest of the world think then?
Maybe the phone didn't pass FCC regulations or something, I've got no clue (Nor really care since I'm not in the states.)
My The phone has a FCC ID number. Do doesn't it mean they have passed?
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Interestingly, there is an NDTV article just released that reports 4.6 million potential XZ sales. So maybe I'm wrong and they do know what they're doing =D
Although, it remains to be seen how it will fair against the One and GS4 which will hit the world market soon.
I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
"At the farmers market with my so-called girlfriend.
She hands me her cell phone. Says it's my dad.
Man, this ain't my dad - this is a cell phone!
I threw it on the ground!"
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I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
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so cool
The problem with the US market is that the carriers mess with the devices. In a normal market, Sony can take the Xperia Z and release it through independent retailers and also let carriers sell it without altering the device (other than very light branding in some cases).
To me, it is fully understandable that Sony don't want to mess with one Xperia ZV for Verizon, an Xperia ZS for Sprint and finally Xperia ZL for AT&T and T-Mobile. It means three different versions of what is supposedly to be the same product.
Each version requires extra testing, FCC certification and is crippled by the carriers - each update has to go through them and people would complain about "Sony is not updating" et al.
It makes more sense to sell the Xperia Z in developed markets, i.e. markets where a C6602 or C6602 is ALWAYS the same. Europe is one example and with the big middle class in India, that is another example of a better market from their perspective.
It makes more sense for Sony to bring the Xperia to the US through themselves, in unlocked editions and then sell them together with prepaid cards and perhaps offer some kind of installment plan for paying off the device. Making THREE different versions of the device just in order to get it on US carriers is just not worth it.
Educated consumers in the US knows better than signing away $2699 ($299 + $100 x 24) - they buy their Xperia directly from Sony and pays $30-50 per month. Sony should aim for those consumers and profile themselves as a highend brand rather than going for those low class, ugly and crippled carrier branded devices with tons of bloatware that Joe Public craves for.
A Sony should be a pure Sony. Not a Sony AT&T, Sony Sprint, Sony Verizon or Sony T-Mobile. The latter could be an option for selling the devices provided that they can be unbranded and unlocked, without any T-Mobile logotype or bloatware in place.
The T-Mobile UnCarrier move would be a perfect fit for Sony but only if they can sell unmolested products. The other three carriers is not a good option because of the terrible mess they offer with branding etc.
The Sony brand should be kept clean. A Sony should always be a Sony, a pure experience like the Nexus.
The main problem is that while Sony does have devices with proper band support for AT&T and T-Mobile, they aren't selling them.
Seriously, I can't figure out why the C6602 is not available for purchase in this country. Releasing just the ZL is a huge mistake IMO - the Z has its water/dustproofing as a MASSIVE differentiator. The ZL is really "just another 5" 1080p phone" to most people. Yes, it has more polished software than any other device on the market - but consumers are so used to carrier mangling they won't see that.
Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
n4 king of sales numbers are not even worth the effort probably, z is in high demand and shortages in many countries right now, best to allocate all the stocks at hand to those markets that actually want it bad.
There are two retailers that carries the Xperia Z C6602: At GSM in Bowery Street and Mobile City Online in Walker Street.
I bought my C6602 at At GSM.
It would be nice to have it in the Sony Center too but even if they would sell it, I don't think there would be many retailers with it. Perhaps J&R. Otherwise, most of the mobile phone stores are carrier affiliated and therefore out of the question for anything unlocked and standardized.
I would like more manufacturers take a hard stance against the carriers in the US. Their modifications and branding dilutes the original brand of the device while most consumers blame the manufacturer rather than the carrier when there's no updates or delays.
Even if Sony should bring the C6602 in to the Sony Center, I stand behind their decision fully. Their brand represents quality and class and should provide a controlled experience - i.e. 100% Sony. Not 50% Sony and 50% [insert carrier of choice].
Another important thing is that beside modifications and branding, the marketing etc are put into the hands of the carriers. The manufacturer is pretty much out of the loop and that mean that the gains of getting a device out on a carrier could be a loss when everything comes around.
It is also worth to mention that the US market is such a terrible mess that a more standardized market like Europa or India etc simply makes more sense since they can receive a standard model (C6602 or C6603) that doesn't require extra testing etc.
You can supply the whole EU with C6603 while the US market would require a minimum of 3 different models (if AT&T and T-Mobile gets the same version) - if it would go to local carriers like US Cellulars it results in even more models. If the device sells 6 million divided between those different versions, then the problem is very obvious.
If we are kind and say that total sales is 6 million divided on AT&T 2 M, Verizon 2 M and 1 M each for Sprint and T-Mobile, the question is if it is worth the trouble. Especially since all those devices are different models even if it is supposedly the "same product" in the sales literature.
Personally, I would not release a product under those circumstances when I can go to the EU market and sell it in all countries with very slight alterations (translating some manuals and warranty papers).
It is also worth to mention that the risk for badwill is high if the carriers decides to withdraw further update support even if the manufacturer provides new updates. Since people will complain about Sony if a Verizon Xperia ZV doesn't receive updates, the problem is obvious.
I've never understood why Sprint/AT&T feel the need to plaster their crap over devices... NO ONE wants it.
At least here in the UK it's a bit more toned down.
They are, newegg and amazon have them on sale already. And it's the 6602 with sony us warranty.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
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I just bought a ZL from newegg today, C6506. But they also had the Z in C6602 form (the LTE model is "coming soon").
OMG I BOUGHT MINE ON EBAY FROM HK FOR 591 i hope its unlock!!!!
None of these responses really make any sense...
Sony is operating their mobile division at a loss. They want to compete with the big 2 (Samsung and Apple) in releasing a product, the XZ, that is in line w/ the Galaxy S line and iPhone. But because it is too difficult, they will sacrifice one of the largest target markets in the world?
Again, I'm not arguing that the US is the center of the world, but we remain a HUGE share of consumers for high end smartphones. And it isn't just the US, I just happened to choose it as one example. Quite frankly, what makes the Galaxy S line and iPhone such a success is that it can reach so many markets. And I think HTC realizes this, albeit quite late in the race. HTC finally released a 'world' phone in that its One reaches the masses in one config or another. No longer are they marketing the Droid, One X, DNA, etc. as their marquee phones.
This seems to be a misstep of Sony's. And with all the positive reviews coming in for the One and GS4, it looks like it's time to write off the XZ.
I wouldn't write off the Z so quickly. Other than the slightly slower processor, everything else is still more or less on par, some things slightly more so (waterproofing was what sold it for me, excellent developer support is another. Really, which other manufacturer makes AOSP builds for their phones?)
US carriers are mess with the devices, which are not unlockable in india..
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2014/03/22/sony-xperia-z2-set-for-a-later-release/
This would be awful for everyone. With HTC and Samsung releasing before Sony, are people going to hold out that long?
It makes non sense as the Z2 was revealed before S5 and M8, also the rom was already pulled out from Z2 meaning even software wise it's ready
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It makes non sense as the Z2 was revealed before S5 and M8, also the rom was already pulled out from Z2 meaning even software wise it's ready
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No matter if low yield on some part, my guess would be... the screen, that's the biggest change from Z1.
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http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2014/03/22/sony-xperia-z2-set-for-a-later-release/
This would be awful for everyone. With HTC and Samsung releasing before Sony, are people going to hold out that long?
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The same issue from samsung with s5. The samsung encountered the camera when vendors can't provide volume for them. M8 of htc they will sell some minutes after they're launching M8. Moreover, i'll wait z2. Becuase i think z2 is the best of phone.
The another monster, we can look that is oppo find 7. It's cheeper than all of phone.
Not good news
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RIP Sony
The news is BS.
While initial supply will be limited first shipments should already arrive this month, at the latest the beginning of next month.
But I do expect it to not be readily available before May as Sony has underestimated demand / overestimated what Samsung would offer with their S5.
Sony UK has already confirmed a few days ago that the release date will NOT be changed but may suffer from limited quantities in the first two weeks. More on Xperia Blog.
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RIP Sony
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Yes, I'm sure that Sony will go out of business because of that...
chesterr said:
RIP Sony
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Rapidly Increasing Popularity
HYPER-X10 said:
Rapidly Increasing Popularity
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I'd say Rapidly Increasing Price LMAO
first april
sony z2 will be here in lebanon next weekend , in sony world store
This isn't a big problem for me my upgrade isn't until may 12th so the next month and a half is all about gathering Intel about rooting, minor/major problems, gauging the competition
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I'd say Rapidly Increasing Price LMAO
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A little bit, maybe Not to defend Sony or anything like that cause I don't really care - but on the other hand, look, Galaxy S5 is the same price as Z2, and you get premium metal/glass build vs. perforated plastic. Anyway, I still think that flagship smartphones are too expensive...
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I'd say Rapidly Increasing Price LMAO
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I don't get this, Ibought my X10 for 6000SEK when it came out here in Sweden I then got the X8 for 3000SEK but then again I switched over to high-end and got ARC/XS/XZ/Z1 and all of them cost me 6000SEK again.
Next month I am getting the Z2 and it will cost 6000SEK too sooo "Rapidly Increasing Price" not so much!
This has probably more to do with the exchange rates and how the Euro/Pound/Dollar/Yen has suffered so much last 5 years.
1Euro used to cost around 10SEK and more but today it stands on 8.8
The pound used to cost 14SEK but now it stands on 10.4
I have already upgraded and pre-ordered my Z2 which will arrive on 10th of April here in the UK. So it's still in the competition.
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I don't get this, Ibought my X10 for 6000SEK when it came out here in Sweden I then got the X8 for 3000SEK but then again I switched over to high-end and got ARC/XS/XZ/Z1 and all of them cost me 6000SEK again.
Next month I am getting the Z2 and it will cost 6000SEK too sooo "Rapidly Increasing Price" not so much!
This has probably more to do with the exchange rates and how the Euro/Pound/Dollar/Yen has suffered so much last 5 years.
1Euro used to cost around 10SEK and more but today it stands on 8.8
The pound used to cost 14SEK but now it stands on 10.4
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It has to do with Moore's law and no matter how exchange rate changes pricing remains more or less same
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It has to do with Moore's law and no matter how exchange rate changes pricing remains more or less same
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Of course a change in currenct power will change the outcome of the price, the Swedish price has been almost the same because of one simple reason - SEK is not a danger currency and has been performing good while everyone else got hit massively by the financial crisis.
Post touch-erahigh-end phones almost always cost the same here in Sweden - 6000SEK and that is not because of Moore's law it's instead it is a reaction on how the market looks like today
Received e.mail from my supplier : Z2 will be available around 9 may ( including the free headphone from pre-order action )
Counting the days.......
brouwerchris said:
Received e.mail from my supplier : Z2 will be available around 9 may ( including the free headphone from pre-order action )
Counting the days.......
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That's bad news. Who did you buy it from ?
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That's bad news. Who did you buy it from ?
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16th of march I extended my contract with Hi ( my provider in the Netherlands) through Belsimpel ( internetshop in the Netherlands)
Initially Z2 would be delivered within 5 weeks,now delayed by 2 weeks.....
Eldar Murtazin states that due to factory defects, the general availability of the Xperia Z2 is delayed until end of 2nd quarter. Apparently the issue has to do with the screen.
twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/450584042283749378
"Sony in its repertoire - in z2 found three factory defect. Issue moved to the end of the 2nd quarter. Save on all components"
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Eldar Murtazin states that due to factory defects, the general availability of the Xperia Z2 is delayed until end of 2nd quarter. Apparently the issue has to do with the screen.
twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/450584042283749378
"Sony in its repertoire - in z2 found three factory defect. Issue moved to the end of the 2nd quarter. Save on all components"
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wHAT!!!!
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Oh I saw that Edgar Murtazin is often spreading untrue rumours.......
Hope this is one untrue rumour then
That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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Makes sense if rumours that say initial release is delayed until mid-may come true, time enough to fix the preordered units. At present time this is nothing but a rumour, but coming from Murtazin you never know...
He has got some stuff right in the past obviously so you have to give him some credibility for that. I read that 4.4.3 is going to release in the first half of April, that would make for some interesting timing in that regard as well.
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That doesn't make much sense. That would insinuate sony is admitting existing already manufactured stock that's going out to pre-orderers has known defects in them. If that were true there's no way that would be in an article/report
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And Sony would lose its brand value, there's no way Sony would want that.
I suspect the guy is paid by Samsung.
Wouldn't second quarter be June!? That would be terrible!
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I spoke today with Sony mobile Store customer service about my pre-order and they said they will be shipping from the 15th April...:silly:
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I spoke today with Sony mobile Store customer service about my pre-order and they said they will be shipping from the 15th April...:silly:
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Good news! As we were concerned about the matter, we've also been talking today with a Sony sales rep and he told us that:
- They will start shipments on April 14.
- They will serve preorders first, then new orders placed. Supposedly regular sales will be opened from Sony's website that same day.
- They never expected such high demand, but we were assured that there will be no delays.
And besides, the Sony store is closed for maintenance. Maybe preparing sales campaign?
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KyleSforza said:
And Sony would lose its brand value, there's no way Sony would want that.
I suspect the guy is paid by Samsung.
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Samsung Galaxy S5 launch – 18.00. Barcelona. 23 February. Price the same. Launch – end of April. Specs – u know them new touchwiz
— Eldar Murtazin (@eldarmurtazin) January 21, 2014
he s not reliable !
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- They never expected such high demand, but we were assured that there will be no delays.
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That's pretty poor for Sony if true. Seems they weren't actually willing to commit too much money to getting large scale production going then.
In recent years, Apple, Samsung and others will have gone all in on a new flagship. If demand was lower, the stock will still be sold over time through new advertising campaigns, or if necessary, a price cut (less applicable to Apple on the price cut mind).
If Sony has been cautious, it makes me wonder why. When they announced it, we got all the press releases from the carriers saying they'd be selling it. It stands to reason, they'll be getting large orders in.
But, now that more and more places are reporting a delay, I have to assume that some people saying it's still on target simply weren't told yet. It does look like the news of the delay is coming from Sony in an official capacity.
I actually think Eldar might be right on this. His success rate has fallen a lot over the years, and he's certainly someone who holds a grudge against many manufacturers that stopped feeding him early production devices to do 300 page reviews on, but he clearly does still have some good contacts who give him inside information - if not the actual hardware itself.
One of the online retailers said that they are getting the Taiwan version of the Z2 in mainland in China and they already have the Z2 for the China region.
Since I want google play store I will have to stick with the Taiwan or Hong Kong. So I don't think that they will push it that back and I am pretty sure they are starting to sell the device.
Here's the link if you're interested in getting this device. But he's in China for sure.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.0.0.ou6KNk&id=37488089756
screen issues
Screen issues could well be a problem to cause delay
I have a (prototype) Z2 and even with 'Glove Mode' off, the screen will work with gloves on
it will also work with a wad of tissues over the end of my finger
and worst of all it will still respond and start apps etc when the SONY Style book type cover is closed!
very annoying having to turn off screen before closing the flap.
With glove mode enabled ....maybe a gentle puff of air may even work!!!!!!
Could firmware fix this?
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Bell ( Canda Carrier ) confirm exclusive release date for May :
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/04/01/sony-xperia-z2-coming-to-bell-in-may-as-an-exclusive/
Spanish carrier Yoigo announces availability on April 25. I assume they have stock enough.
T-Mobile NL will be the first retailer to start selling it in the Netherlands and i can confirm that it is delayed to week 20 (12-05).