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Love it or hate it, the iphone sells! Do you think the HTC EVO will be able to out sell its up coming rivals? We've had wind of 2 big ones so far, iphone 4g and Motorola Shadow. Battle of the titans... what do you think?
I think the evo will sell extremely well, but i doubt it will outsell the iphone. I expect it to be one of, if not the highest selling android phone so far though, outselling the droid or the incredible.
TickLe MY eLMo said:
I think the evo will sell extremely well, but i doubt it will outsell the iphone. I expect it to be one of, if not the highest selling android phone so far though, outselling the droid or the incredible.
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Agreed, the Droid was a success because so many people already had Verizon, but now people are actually switching over to Sprint just to get ahold of this handset. So yeah, it'll definitely be up there among high selling android devices but the iPhone? No way.
Millions of brain-washed Apple hipster followers will buy the iPhone without question. I think the EVO has potential to be the best-selling Android device for the upcoming future, but no way will a single Android device outsell an iPhone.
I agree with everyone else. It will not outsell the iPhone.
By the way OP, you made the poll multiple choice (?).
TheBiles said:
Millions of brain-washed Apple hipster followers will buy the iPhone without question. I think the EVO has potential to be the best-selling Android device for the upcoming future, but no way will a single Android device outsell an iPhone.
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It really is sad how people think the iphone is such a godly product and buy it only because it will make them look cool...
Not going to lie, i LOVED the iphone for a while, but that was only because for a time period i really liked the OS, not so much the hardware specs...but they are alright... think it is still a great device. But, then i was introduced to android, and i never looked back!
i dont know how many of you have noticed how much baaaaaad press apple has been gettin in the last few months...
most of my friends who used to swear by Iphone are starting to second guess themselves
im not saying it will outsell the iphone but unless S. Jobs comes out with some Off the wall type **** here in July i think the Iphones "deathgrip" will begin to decline
Come on serious. they sold a million ipads in just one week. the ipad is just 10 ipod touches put together.
So like you said, love it or hate it. i dont think the evo will out sale the iphone 4g or iphone hd whatever it might get call, but the Evo will sure sell enuff to be the top selling android phone at the moment
|I think the Evo has a good chance to beat out the new iPhone. Honestly, the ONLY thing the iPhone has going for itself is the App store. Whenever someone compares a uiphone to another phone, they always bring up the Apple App store, but what they should really bring up is the specs. The new iphone will probably have 2 cameras, just like the Evo. But I doubt one of the cameras will be a 8MP camera. Also I don't think the new iPhone will be as fast as fast as the Evo. I've had all versions of the iphone. I also had a Moto droid, HTC Hero and now the Evo. And let me tell you the Evo blows the iphone out the box and all those other phones. I think the Answer lies with the Service Providers. Att has a lot of customers and a lot of them have the iPhone. Would they be willing to switch over to Sprint? I think that if they actually had the chance to hold the Evo and play with it for awhile they'll be sold. I sold my iPad wifi version to get the iPad 3g/wifi version, I then sold that to buy one of these Google I/O Evo's and I don't regret any of it.
I'm going to go out on the ledge and honestly say, "I think the Evo will out sell the iPhone" in the States. And the reason I say in the states is because the iPhone, iPad and touch is all sold overseas as well and I think, the Evo is only sold in the States.
I agree with the majority here. I just sold my iPhone to beat the rush of them on the market after next Friday. I can hardly wait to get my Evo. That being said, I don't think the Evo will outsell the iPhone. Wally World is selling 16GB 3GS phones for $97 and the 4th generation will be released next month. Add to that the possibility of a Verizon iPhone...
No chance of outselling the iPhone, Android just doesn't have that reality distortion field yet. The gap is ever narrowing though, and the EVO has gone a very long way in bringing Android to the forefront of people's minds, even to non-techies.
http://briefmobile.com/will-the-xoom-fail-at-launch
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http://briefmobile.com/will-the-xoom-fail-at-launch
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I hope it doesn't bomb, but I think it will. If it is a success, I will be surprised.
My hope is that the other companies planning on launching Honeycomb tablets learn a little from this (likely) failed launch and try to avoid the many mistakes made by Verizon, Best Buy, and Motorola. I'm more interested in Honeycomb succeeding than the Xoom or any one device, but this has not been a good start.
I posted the first comment there, to me he seems to be a huge Apple fan lol.
"You got it all wrong, they have been vocal winning best of CES a bit over a month ago when it was announced and then again during MWC a few days ago. Meanwhile we heard directly from the CEO a week back on the exact pricing of the 3G model and WIFI version. Meanwhile commercials have been airing regularly.
Also if you want to compare this next gen tablet to the old dominant one, I feel you must compare at least the price of the WIFI only model with the same 32gb gives you the exact same $599.99, I feel you are giving an overly Apple biased argument when you put a dual core 1ghz CPU up against a single core as well as the Xoom having 4 times the ram, expandable data space through a microSD slot, HDMI out, a front and rear facing camera a true widescreen with 16:10 aspect ratio running at a higher resolution on what some are saying is the best tablet operating system to date.
Yes I'm planing on picking one up on Thursday and I feel it will more then likely out feature the iPad 2 as well.
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The video of the last Engadget podcast had a valid point. When Android first came out, the iPhone was thought to be an insurmountable force. It was believed that there was no chance of it succeeding against the iPhone. Not only did it exceed expectations, it seems to have exceeded the iPhone period.
The XOOM is a real tablet, moreso than anything in existence. It is more capable than the iPad in both functionality and in the fact that it's a tablet OS designed on a tablet for a tablet. It's not a desktop OS on a tablet like Windows 7, or a phone OS lazily modified for a tablet like iOS. This means that, while the XOOM 3G may not be ringing true to the tune of some people's wallets/budgets, it will do well among many of the people who have been waiting for a real tablet, like me. I don't know how many of me there are, but we will know in a month. Also, we will know even moreso when the WiFi-Only version is released, which I pray is no later than the end of Q1 2011 b.k.a March. The first thing I will be doing is making a series of videos showcasing the power of video streaming on the device. My phone can handle streaming of AVI.. but I haven't managed to stream 1080p MKV yet.
Your question should be more will XOOM fail period, because launch is not a fair indicator. By price alone, the original launch will possibly be underwhelming. Many people will be waiting for the cheaper WiFi-only version. Others will be waiting to see if the device has a locked bootloader, while some may be waiting for LG, Samsung(though I can't see why anyone would trust them after they abandoned the Galaxy Tab 1 after less than 6 months), or the multitude of other tablets. Some people will also be waiting(futilely) for the sure to be underwhelming iPad 2 announcement of 1 or 2 real improvements and a bunch more fancy bull. The last group will still be on the fence about needing a tablet. You might see a fair uptick in a few months before the next school year if any of these proves useful for students.
The sheer amount of options in the next 6 months is really going to make it hard to gauge the success of Honeycomb, which is the real question. It's about Honeycomb, not the XOOM.
The Xoom will fail. I don't even know if I'll buy one anymore, and I was the biggest fan of it after CES. If I buy one, it will likely be the wifi version. The nail in that coffin is the ridiculous restrictions on activation. Requiring 3g activation, plus charging $200 more for a 3g/4g radio is outrageous. I don't think I would have even taken a second look at the $800 price tag if I 1) didn't have to pay more to activate, and 2) didn't know that they're charging $200 just for the 3g radio.
We have to vote with our wallets, and my wallet says that a 3g/4g radio isn't worth $200 and carrier restrictions will not be tolerated.
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The video of the last Engadget podcast had a valid point. When Android first came out, the iPhone was thought to be an insurmountable force. It was believed that there was no chance of it succeeding against the iPhone. Not only did it exceed expectations, it seems to have exceeded the iPhone period.
The XOOM is a real tablet, moreso than anything in existence. It is more capable than the iPad in both functionality and in the fact that it's a tablet OS designed on a tablet for a tablet. It's not a desktop OS on a tablet like Windows 7, or a phone OS lazily modified for a tablet like iOS. This means that, while the XOOM 3G may not be ringing true to the tune of some people's wallets/budgets, it will do well among many of the people who have been waiting for a real tablet, like me. I don't know how many of me there are, but we will know in a month. Also, we will know even moreso when the WiFi-Only version is released, which I pray is no later than the end of Q1 2011 b.k.a March. The first thing I will be doing is making a series of videos showcasing the power of video streaming on the device. My phone can handle streaming of AVI.. but I haven't managed to stream 1080p MKV yet.
Your question should be more will XOOM fail period, because launch is not a fair indicator. By price alone, the original launch will possibly be underwhelming. Many people will be waiting for the cheaper WiFi-only version. Others will be waiting to see if the device has a locked bootloader, while some may be waiting for LG, Samsung(though I can't see why anyone would trust them after they abandoned the Galaxy Tab 1 after less than 6 months), or the multitude of other tablets. Some people will also be waiting(futilely) for the sure to be underwhelming iPad 2 announcement of 1 or 2 real improvements and a bunch more fancy bull. The last group will still be on the fence about needing a tablet. You might see a fair uptick in a few months before the next school year if any of these proves useful for students.
The sheer amount of options in the next 6 months is really going to make it hard to gauge the success of Honeycomb, which is the real question. It's about Honeycomb, not the XOOM.
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I think the launch will fail as far as selling a high amount of units and establishing a brand name. Once the iPad 2 and other Honeycomb tablets hit the market, the playing field will be a lot different than it is now. The Xoom will be forgotten about. Even if it isn't forgotten about, it'll be VERY hard for Motorola to get a good amount of sales with it. Since the G-Slate and GT 10.1 are so evenly matched, the sales will basically be split. Unless one of the tablets are much cheaper than the others and has decent television marketing.
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I think the launch will fail as far as selling a high amount of units and establishing a brand name. Once the iPad 2 and other Honeycomb tablets hit the market, the playing field will be a lot different than it is now. The Xoom will be forgotten about. Even if it isn't forgotten about, it'll be VERY hard for Motorola to get a good amount of sales with it. Since the G-Slate and GT 10.1 are so evenly matched, the sales will basically be split. Unless one of the tablets are much cheaper than the others and has decent television marketing.
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This is not true. Something I watched today, maybe the Engadget podcast, said that the G-Slate is going to be 1000$. This is perfectly believable because its got what the XOOM has + useless 3D features. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not evenly matched. It has a smaller size but IIRC it's missing a microSD card slot, hdmi, and usb. The only way to get USB, and maybe HDMI is to use hard to find PDMI cables. It might be cheaper out the gate, but any discount will be mitigated or obliterated by the need to pay high price pdmi adapters that 99.9% of us don't have.
I think we will see the WiFi-Only 32GB version released around iPad 2 time for 600$. I am hoping they release a 16GB version too to compete at the 500$ price point, but I don't think it will matter. Honeycomb will not be for people who are happy with the iPad, as such I don't think the 500$ price point is as important as people think.
Of course, only time will tell.
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This is not true. Something I watched today, maybe the Engadget podcast, said that the G-Slate is going to be 1000$. This is perfectly believable because its got what the XOOM has + useless 3D features. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not evenly matched. It has a smaller size but IIRC it's missing a microSD card slot, hdmi, and usb. The only way to get USB, and maybe HDMI is to use hard to find PDMI cables. It might be cheaper out the gate, but any discount will be mitigated or obliterated by the need to pay high price pdmi adapters that 99.9% of us don't have.
I think we will see the WiFi-Only 32GB version released around iPad 2 time for 600$. I am hoping they release a 16GB version too to compete at the 500$ price point, but I don't think it will matter. Honeycomb will not be for people who are happy with the iPad, as such I don't think the 500$ price point is as important as people think.
Of course, only time will tell.
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$1000 converted from UK currency?
Devices in other countries always cost much more than they do in the US. Heck, the Optimus 2X is like $750 if you convert Korean currency to US dollars. I hardly believe that will be the final price. Was $1200 the final price of the Xoom? No it wasn't. Even with 3D technology, it still won't release anywhere around that.
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$1000 converted from UK currency?
Devices in other countries always cost much more than they do in the US. Heck, the Optimus 2X is like $750 if you convert Korean currency to US dollars. I hardly believe that will be the final price. Was $1200 the final price of the Xoom? No it wasn't. Even with 3D technology, it still won't release anywhere around that.
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Well no one really thought the XOOM was 1200$. Apple fanboys perpetuated that nonsense to hurt the device, but it was obviously a placeholder price as they always are.
About the 1000$.. I just heard it on Engadget podcast, I expected them to use US money. If its 1000$ GBP.. that's crappy reporting. Though I have to say I don't see the LG being competitive with 3G. I'm going to be so i can preorder a xoom in 9 hours
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Well no one really thought the XOOM was 1200$. Apple fanboys perpetuated that nonsense to hurt the device, but it was obviously a placeholder price as they always are.
About the 1000$.. I just heard it on Engadget podcast, I expected them to use US money. If its 1000$ GBP.. that's crappy reporting. Though I have to say I don't see the LG being competitive with 3G. I'm going to be so i can preorder a xoom in 9 hours
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If they're "Apple" fanboys what does that make you? I can't stand when people are biased like this its immature as hell dude.
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There is a huge "Netral" camp of comsumers out there, who should really be the primary target of both Apple and Non-Apple tablet producers.
From this perspective, if , assuming Apple follows the same style by releasing iPad 2 at 499/599/699 for wifi-only version and reduce iPad 1 by 100 USD for each level, XOOM has a VERY VERY hard time to justify its 800 price tag with comparable iPad 2, whose functionality is rumored to be comparable to current "state-of-art" tablets.
And one important point, from marketing point of view,
1. Still a lot of people are seen as very cool by carrying an apple product around, but not by carrying a Dell/Motorola around. Sony may be better.
2. Was there ever/is there going to be a long line like the one on first launching day of iPhone 4 for Motorola's XOOM? where it is gonna be? Best Buy's store front???
Again, I am not an Apple fanboy, and in fact, I hate their arrogant attitude and monopoly behavior (subscription policy etc etc), but just at the time I am about to happily find the best Android tablet come out to compete with iPad, I saw the price tag... ouch! Unfortunate decision, They thought their brand carry such a premium???
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If they're "Apple" fanboys what does that make you? I can't stand when people are biased like this its immature as hell dude.
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Correction. LG won't be competitive with 3D, not 3G.
I am simply stating that anyone who thought the 1200$ price was legit is either an idiot, a noob, or intentionally fear mongering. I knew instantly that 1200$ was the typical price holder we always see initially in BBY and other retailers systems in the month(s) leading up to a release. When the HTC EVO first showed up in systems it was listed at well over 1500$, thought I don't recall the number. So if someone is knowledgeable of the industry, and thought 1200$ was legit, they are an idiot. If they were knowledgeable and perpetuated the price, like most of the Engadget raging commenters, they are a fearmongering Apple/Palm/Nokia-boy. Or simply a troll.
I currently choose Android. I do not pretend that Apple is complete crap. They serve a purpose, and I can see that. A fanboy is someone who can't see that.
I wonder what your issue is that you call me immature.
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Correction. LG won't be competitive with 3D, not 3G.
I am simply stating that anyone who thought the 1200$ price was legit is either an idiot, a noob, or intentionally fear mongering. I knew instantly that 1200$ was the typical price holder we always see initially in BBY and other retailers systems in the month(s) leading up to a release. When the HTC EVO first showed up in systems it was listed at well over 1500$, thought I don't recall the number. So if someone is knowledgeable of the industry, and thought 1200$ was legit, they are an idiot. If they were knowledgeable and perpetuated the price, like most of the Engadget raging commenters, they are a fearmongering Apple/Palm/Nokia-boy. Or simply a troll.
I currently choose Android. I do not pretend that Apple is complete crap. They serve a purpose, and I can see that. A fanboy is someone who can't see that.
I wonder what your issue is that you call me immature.
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The fanboy comments are always so immature. I just skip past them.
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The fanboy comments are always so immature. I just skip past them.
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I'm confused. Am I being labeled as a fanboy?
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I'm confused. Am I being labeled as a fanboy?
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No no no... not you
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No no no... not you
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Ok good. I mean I love Android, but I have always considered myself reasonable in my assessments. I have switched allegiances too willy nilly to be a true fanboy. I was swinging the apple banner till the evo release.
jiwengang said:
There is a huge "Netral" camp of comsumers out there, who should really be the primary target of both Apple and Non-Apple tablet producers.
From this perspective, if , assuming Apple follows the same style by releasing iPad 2 at 499/599/699 for wifi-only version and reduce iPad 1 by 100 USD for each level, XOOM has a VERY VERY hard time to justify its 800 price tag with comparable iPad 2, whose functionality is rumored to be comparable to current "state-of-art" tablets.
And one important point, from marketing point of view,
1. Still a lot of people are seen as very cool by carrying an apple product around, but not by carrying a Dell/Motorola around. Sony may be better.
2. Was there ever/is there going to be a long line like the one on first launching day of iPhone 4 for Motorola's XOOM? where it is gonna be? Best Buy's store front???
Again, I am not an Apple fanboy, and in fact, I hate their arrogant attitude and monopoly behavior (subscription policy etc etc), but just at the time I am about to happily find the best Android tablet come out to compete with iPad, I saw the price tag... ouch! Unfortunate decision, They thought their brand carry such a premium???
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I hate to compare anything with the idevices. But when you first see the $800 price tag. It makes everybody thinks motorola over price it compared to the ipad. but come on, the ipad has only half the features in the xoom. 64 gb ipad with wifi plus 3g is $829. that's $30 more than the xoom. The only thing that version has over the xoom is storage. Xoom on the other hand has sd card slot.
For the record, I just check best buy site yesterday. pre order is now on back order, so are the accessories. I'm just not sure if I can trust that source though. Seemed pretty fast.
ps: I was the first one pre order the thing at my local best buy.
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I hate to compare anything with the idevices. But when you first see the $800 price tag. It makes everybody thinks motorola over price it compared to the ipad. but come on, the ipad has only half the features in the xoom. 64 gb ipad with wifi plus 3g is $829. that's $30 more than the xoom. The only thing that version has over the xoom is storage. Xoom on the other hand has sd card slot.
For the record, I just check best buy site yesterday. pre order is now on back order, so are the accessories. I'm just not sure if I can trust that source though. Seemed pretty fast.
ps: I was the first one pre order the thing at my local best buy.
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The Xoom accessories were "backordered" right off the bat at BB.com. They were never in stock.
It comes with no flash.... So yes.
You have to download flash 10.1 from the market. Flash will work w/ this tab.
i hope the One really helps HTC, but the delays are doing no favours
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-htc-earnings-idUKBRE93706620130408
I don't know what the fuss is all about. They are always posting profits. Less profits yes, but they are always in the black. Many companies go for years posting losses quarter after quarter. HTC has no problems as long as they are in profit each quarter.
Would now be a great time to buy stocks in HTC?
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i hope the One really helps HTC, but the delays are doing no favours
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-htc-earnings-idUKBRE93706620130408
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I hope this thread gets locked, threads likes this really do XDA no favours.
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aydc said:
I don't know what the fuss is all about. They are always posting profits. Less profits yes, but they are always in the black. Many companies go for years posting losses quarter after quarter. HTC has no problems as long as they are in profit each quarter.
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Public companies like HTC serve their shareholders who buy stock in a company because they feel that stock is going to appreciate over time increasing the size of their investment (profit). Companies reward investors by growing sales, profit margins, and generating cash that's used for reinvestment to further their growth and increasing the market capitalization of the company. Doing so makes their stock appreciate which rewards the investors that placed their faith in them. This is HTC’s 2-year stock performance as of today.
In February, HTC revised their Q1 2013 guidance down to a level so low that it spooked analysts to the point there was a run on HTC's stock that triggered stop-sales on the TW exchange it's listed on (twice) because the amount of volume being sold and the stock's price decline triggered electronic safeguards. The revenue guidance HTC provided for Q1 that caused the stock fall was between NT$50 billion and NT$60 billion. Those are numbers provided by HTC less than eight weeks ago. The number they actually posted today was NT$42.8 billion. So not only did they miss the low-end of their own guidance they've demonstrated an inability to forecast their business. The latter's actually more troubling to analysts than the miss in revenue. And keep in mind that revenue is accounted for when devices are shipped to resellers; not when they are purchased by end consumers. So HTC's shipping rate is what caused the miss, not the sales or popularity of the One. And that they didn't know within an eight week span how deep their component issues were causing them to issue erroneous guidance is indeed troubling.
Operating margin (profit) was 1/10 of 1% of revenue for the first three months of 2013. You don't have to be a finance expert to know that's not sustainable. And the One's delay has put it right up against the launch of the SGS4 which will be accompanied by wider distribution and Samsung's gazillion dollar marketing budget. Apple's also launching the iP5S and possibly a lower-priced device in June according to analyst's speculation. Neither of those things is going to be good for HTC's full-year revenue. The analysts expect HTC to benefit from the One's sales in Q2 but that they'll decline again in the remaining quarters of the year. 30 out of 33 analysts have a "sell" rating on HTC's stock.
Their financial position was 25% better than today last August when the Taiwanese government began talks of bailing HTC out rather than letting them fail. HTC cannot continue to exist the way it does today and a single positive quarter based on the success of single device can't reverse their fortunes enough to change that. So it's highly unlikely they'll go out of business but some type of government intervention accompanied by a restructuring or merger or JV with another company are pretty much a given.
With stiff competition from Apple and Samsung, HTC has posted some less than stellar numbers the past few quarters. The company is still profitable, but its decline in sales and revenue have contributed significantly to Taiwan’s five months of decline in exports which saw a drop in July of 11.6% from a year earlier. HTC may be about to receive help from the Taiwanese government as it looks to turn its fortunes around after slipping away in the smartphone market recently. According to the Commercial Times, Taiwan's Central Bank Governor, Perng Fai-nan raised the issue during a meeting with government officials, suggesting it stepped in and offered assistance to the manufacturer. Perng noted that HTC's declining sales had had a knock-on effect with Taiwan's exports, which have also witnessed a decline in recent months. During the meeting, Perng apparently went on to say that the financial status of HTC is "of vital importance to the islands' gross domestic product". The Taiwanese government is taking this issue seriously, with an unnamed official reportedly saying the Ministry of Economic Affairs is already considering various ways to help out HTC.
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/ph...htc-could-receive-government-bail-out-1091781These numbers show the production shortage really is that bad, and my sense is that it won’t get much better in the second quarter because many of those issues continue,” said Dennis Chan, an analyst at Yuanta Securities Co. in Taipei, who recommends selling the stock. “For smartphones, timing is everything and the delay means they lose that timing.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...w-profit-after-latest-smartphone-delayed.htmlProfit is likely to recover in the second quarter as HTC One sales increase, said Daiwa Securities analyst Birdy Lu. The company has been touting the camera's performance in low light, and plans to more than double advertising spending under a new marketing chief. "HTC's whole schedule was thrown into disarray because of the HTC One, which meant it didn't have the revenue coming in but still had a lot of fixed costs," Mr. Lu said. "There will be some improvement this quarter in terms of the bottom line, but they still face a lot of competition."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...38196.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection
htc is dying.
i bet samsung and apple are eager to buy htc for their patents and maybe blueprints
I'm sitting here fully perplexed
some of you call me HTC biggest fanboy
and yet in all honestly i dont care their financial woes
yes if they go away it will be a loss to the smartphone especially since they are the most unique OEM
but really why should I care all I want is the bloody device and 18months of support, the quality of the device and the software is guaranteed so why should I care about their money again?
honestly if anything Samsung's monopoly and money making is not really reflecting in better quality to the product
I prefer a zealous challenged OEM over a relaxed arrogant one
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some of you call me HTC biggest fanboy
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But always in a "good" way. You've helped more people than 90% of those on XDA (including me).
honestly if anything Samsung's monopoly and money making is not really reflecting in better quality to the product
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Being huge doesn't guarantee continued success; at least not at the same historic velocity. Look what Samsung's success has done to Apple's stock. And with more cash in the bank than 2/3 of the world's countries one can't say Apple's not successful. Samsung can't get lazy because if they do there are too many people gunning for them. If Apple does introduce a lower-cost iPhone it's going to kick Samsung in the nuts. And both ZTE and Huawei are gunning for them too. Samsung's only got one target in its sites; Apple. What the other Android device makers do with a collective 30% market share between them doesn't concern them.
If you think about it, there are too many Android manufacturers right now. None on their own is going to catch Samsung because their lead is too wide. If a couple fail or merge leaving Samsung and two strong financially healthy Android competitors it would be much better for competition than having four vendors with fewer than 10% of the market each. The market controls smartphone selling prices. Samsung’s volume makes their component costs significantly lower than their competitors. None of those competitors can continue to offer the same features as Samsung at the same prices and maintain a decent level of profitability on far lower volume. So a “boutique” smartphone maker would end up selling a device with similar functionality at a higher retail price to sustain their profitability. I don’t think that would work that well in such a competitive market. As applies in the jungle, only the strong survive.
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I hope this thread gets locked, threads likes this really do XDA no favours.
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What's wrong with discussion ?
How is xda affected ?
BarryH_GEG said:
So a “boutique” smartphone maker would end up selling a device with similar functionality at a higher retail price to sustain their profitability. I don’t think that would work that well in such a competitive market. As applies in the jungle, only the strong survive.
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i would love HTC to go this way. willing to pay the premium
i think Sony and HTC are a good match but i dont know how that would work
anyway everyone is downsizing HTC than they really are, regardless of the profits/stock situation, its not really as "wallstreet" black or white as you guys think, its a lot more grey, the same can be said to many of the Asian brands as well
there is definitely a remedy being cooked for their problem but its not really what we are expecting
Great learning on this thread ,its great
@Barry,(didn't wanna quote the whole thesis), you're right, the HTC One success alone cannot bail HTC out of its financial trouble, especially with the iPhone and Galaxy S 4 coming out in Q3 and Q2 respectively. Either they're going to have to be bailed out or merge with another company. 2.8 million in profit is an All time low for HTC. The smartphone industry is a tough one, if you even have 1 off year, it will cost you big time. HTC had 2 off years.
I'm pretty optimistic about HTC with all the positive press on the One. I myself have owned every generation iphone and it took the HTC One to break the cycle. I have another friend who has always owned iphones and he just purchased four HTC Ones for his family and friends. This thing is going to be a dark horse. Samsung won't know what hit them.
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I'm pretty optimistic about HTC with all the positive press on the One. I myself have owned every generation iphone and it took the HTC One to break the cycle. I have another friend who has always owned iphones and he just purchased four HTC Ones for his family and friends. This thing is going to be a dark horse. Samsung won't know what hit them.
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I'm in the same boat. Just want my Asda order now !!!
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Public companies like HTC serve their shareholders who buy stock in a company because they feel that stock is going to appreciate over time increasing the size of their investment (profit). Companies reward investors by growing sales, profit margins, and generating cash that's used for reinvestment to further their growth and increasing the market capitalization of the company. Doing so makes their stock appreciate which rewards the investors that placed their faith in them. This is HTC’s 2-year stock performance as of today.
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Then what would you say about Apple who have lost about $300 Billion worth of shareholder money in this time?
Or the fact that Galaxy S4 is being seen as Samsung's iphone5 moment! Apple played safe with iphone5 and historically it has broken sales records. Apple is flush with money, yet financial markets are unimpressed. Apple is no more innovative!
Samsung has done nothing with S4 but ape Apple iphone5 (that is to say play it safe). Interestingly the day S4 was announced by Samsung, Apple stock rose and investors cheered as S4 is NOT seen as much of a big threat to Apple as it could have been!
HTC is not gonna vanish anytime soon. just chillax. my company has been in huge losses for four years straight (we suppy chipsets to mobile makers) and yet are there (while we are much much smaller than even HTC). somebody always bails you out. Or otherwise also, all it takes is one blockbuster product and you are back in the game. Sony got that with XZ (they were in losses earlier). Very few companies are making any money in this business anyway but they are all hanging in there.
I don't know. I'm reconsidering what to buy after this.
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Then what would you say about Apple who have lost about $300 Billion worth of shareholder money in this time?
Or the fact that Galaxy S4 is being seen as Samsung's iphone5 moment! Apple played safe with iphone5 and historically it has broken sales records. Apple is flush with money, yet financial markets are unimpressed. Apple is no more innovative!
Samsung has done nothing with S4 but ape Apple iphone5 (that is to say play it safe). Interestingly the day S4 was announced by Samsung, Apple stock rose and investors cheered as S4 is NOT seen as much of a big threat to Apple as it could have been!
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The difference is that apple and Samsung have big budgets and lots of money, they can afford some type of loss, HTC cannot. You said it yourself, apple played it safe with the iPhone 5 and yet they broke records sales. Do you think apple care about the lack of innovation? No, not as long as they keep selling they don't. For Samsung, the S4 is getting more preorders than the S3 in the UK alone, those are good signs and remember again both companies have lots of money and are coming from big quarters.
It isn't about them though, it's about HTC. They have a great product with the One, everybody in the tech world recognizes it so there is no doubt. The question is is it too late?
At the end of the day it will be Samsung and apple left. Rest will fold and fail. Of course Google will continue to release nexus line which is stock but always mediocre hardware.
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At the end of the day it will be Samsung and apple left. Rest will fold and fail. Of course Google will continue to release nexus line which is stock but always mediocre hardware.
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Lets pray that it doesn't happen, it would really make me sick. I love choices and competition.
HTC and Sony should stay alive. Sony will be for sure because they're a strong company. Can't say the same about htc. It'd be a shame if they fail.
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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ingalaxy said:
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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It depends on how well both the One and SGS4 sell for AT&T. If the One holds its own AT&T will keep it at $199 for as long as they can. LG's having a launch event for the OG Pro on May 1 and AT&T usually carries their high-end devices. An iP5 is supposed to be available in June. There's going to be a lot on the shelves at AT&T this summer. Based on One inventory they've stocked or commited to if it's not making its numbers expect some discounting after 30-60 days. And usually the discounting starts with the VARS; at least that's what happened with the DNA. If you find a cheaper price at a (reputable) VAR AT&T will match it over the phone.
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$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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Sigh at least say AFTER 2 year contract. I know on t-mobile the The One is $579 outright. $99 upfront +$20 a month if you choose to pay it off over 24 months.
Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
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Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing.
Releasing with the S4 isn't awful. That's the competition and people will pick what they want. Both were announced early enough ahead of time we all have discussed and watched every youtube video on them. The DNA if I am right came out in november/december time frame... it's nice, but the One is clearly better... and just 4-5months later? I'd be pissed.. and there, you are screwing your own costomers.
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing."
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And I'm sure all the claims being made are totally without bias and Samsung will be treated fairly. And the supposed event occurred last year with the SGS3's launch and the "kids" weren't hired by Samsung they were working for a third party marketing company.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html
Due to relatively high inflation rate I think the trend will no more be so good.
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/8351785/sony-xperia-z3-t-mobile-discontinued
Uh oh, Sony is now going to have a much harder time in the US unless it decides to do the Z4 on all carriers when it releases. I have the Verizon variant and I'm loving it but I'm shocked T-Mobile quickly decides to discontinue the Z3. I hope Verizon doesn't do the same although they're selling the Z3v for 99 cents on contract.
What do you guys think? Is there still hope the Z4 will invade the US market?
Does this mean no lollipop for D6616?
To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
honestly, i'm not surprised. you can gauge how well a product is doing based on how many other companies want to piggyback on its success. When talking about phones, this usually means accessories, and if you compare it to the other smartphones on the market of the same price range, the adoption of the Z3 in the States was abysmal. You can't even go out a buy a nice case for it, even at T-Mo stores..
I agree with wprpalmeida and abhinav.tella. The whole branding for Sony smartphone is lacking in the US to the fullest. You will hear a lot about the new Samsung Galaxy, iPhone, HTC, etc. in the commercials. Everyone is familiar with these brands. I had Samsung Galaxy S5 or iPhone 6 users compliment on my Z3, but had no idea it was a Sony phone. Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
Not only in US... Situation EU countries is similar.
I'm trying to find case for Z3 and there's nothing in Tmobile or other stores...
When I remember Z, Z1.... even Z2, stores were full of gadgets, cases and screen protectors.
You could buy many things on EBay and on stores but Z3 is very poor with accessories for this device...
Sony is losing this battle.... Unfortunately.
I really like Xperia devices but changes on Z3 and Z4 just aren't good enough.
New SoC, cool...but where's other things?
They are just moving speakers and hardware buttons around device...
I had Z1, Z2 and Z3 and I always had to look closely to make sure I took device I want...
Now I have only Z1 and Z3, I bought Note4 and it's exciting new thing for me...
It's not better then Z3, it's same as Z3 but it's something new for me...
But lets not spit only on Sony, all manufacturers are doing the same thing...
I guess we reached the point where we don't need more cpu power or memory..
We need better OS and battery...
Better battery we probably won't see but we could get faster updates and better firmware / software...
If Apple has hardware from Note4 or Z3 powered by iOS they would show what we actually have under the hood...
It's ridiculous to have more power in phones then in notebooks and see that notebooks are faster then phones.
And still they are on Windows?! [emoji14]
I'm thinking... We are probably close to see Android we'll have to pay and devices that are same for years...
Something just have to change..
"Batteries are getting worse" (ridiculously strong and fast SoC are killing them), screens are going into XXXXHD resolutions...
We need better OS, at least better optimised OS...not more power in cpu and gpu... God...I need smartphone, not GameBoy..
Manufacturers have to realised that or Sony won't be the only one who got shoe in the ass...
If that was reason (slow updates and same devices for a years) for Tmobile to cans Sony and their Z1 copies then I salute to Tmobile..
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Oh for MOD EDIT Rule 2 @gregbradley sake! Now with this news how in the hell are we gonna get the D6616 lollipop update now? At first I thought the Sony Xperia Z3 was a great phone and now with all this delays, discontinuations, no support for root, I'm never gonna buy a Sony phone again. The only reason why I bought this phone was because it had 3GB RAM and SD card and 20MP camera.
If I were to switch to another brand, every other one is crap too. HTC already failed to make a great camera on its M9. Samsung Edge and S6 have no support for SD card and is a copy of iPhone 6. Motorola doesn't make phones with the latest specs and an SD card. Sony is a complete joke, so who's left? The only one to make me happy is LG but that 5.5 inch is just overkill but its the only phone that has everything I want. There's no phone thats perfect for my needs.
Very sad, but can't really blame T-Mobile. 1st couple of batches on TMO were defective (spontaneous back glass cracks, fitment issues, etc.), then Sony themselves offer zero advertisement to move units. Word of mouth only goes so far. Every person I have shown this phone to (and its capabilities) is very impressed, but they always say "Xperia what?" They have already annouced support for 5.0 on TMO, so I'd be really suprised if they back out now.
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Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
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Samsung and Apple spend obscene amounts of money in their marketing campaigns. Even when the Z series could be a better product by objective standards, Sony just doesn't have the muscle power (the money) to let people know. Also Not sure how is elsewhere, but getting in bed with the carriers is crucial to sell your phone in the USA, only Apple is able to escape this fate.
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To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
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Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
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Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
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The store I went to touted the Z3. I wound up getting it by calling t-mobile and throwing the "I've been with you guys for thirteen years" flag, and they took $100 off. My Z3 hasn't given me any troubles... Yet. We'll see.
Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
No root (and locked bootloader) killed the phone.
The latest update makes Galaxy-compatible headset works 100% with volume +-.
Frankly, I want to stay away from Samsh_t as far as possible, and though I am happy with LG G3, lacking band 12 may make me move on. No root makes me hesitant to get this phone because I need root to fix write to SD problem.
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Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
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What was bad about them? I'm curious.
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What was bad about them? I'm curious.
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Well the first two had big gaps between screen and frame with glue missing / bits of glue visible (i think) and massive light bleed from there, one had a pink camera (mild), the 4th one is perfect (current one).
The electronic buying habit of the american public blows me away. Don't people research anything anymore? It's like we've become incapable of doing anything outside of the norm. Apple is making a killing selling a technologically inferior product because it's the cool thing to own now. It makes me feel like my fellow countrymen are just plain stupid most of the time. Plus you would think Apple invented big screens and NFC payments. Ugh....
And, most think Samsung is the only non Apple alternative.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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It's borderline anti trust going on at the mobile phone companies. I'd like to see them completely removed from the phone buying experience. They have way too much influence. Seems we did this once in the old days when you had to buy your land line phone from ATT. You should be able to buy an American phone that covers all bands and then choose your carrier.