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Not good news...looks like Q4 for 2.1.
Why do you say that? "Coming weeks" falls in line with the end of Q3 schedule quite nicely.
AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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What do u mean x10 isn't attractive?Galaxy S is just another iphone ripoff, evo 4g looks like a brick sent into a squashing machine and while the droid x doesn't look too bad, it doesn't compare to the X10's design
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AT&T is too late.
x10 isn't as attractive than evo 4g or droid x or galaxy S.
Not to mention Iphone.
I don't see their sales will go up. Now if x10 was released in feb or match by At&T that's another story.
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what? are you serious ?
Sadly, North americans are people that sulk in pursuing numbers and names. Not their functions nor design.
If not then Iphone wouldn't be sold so many here. which iphone user actually looked into and compare the function of Iphone against other before buying an Iphone.
And evo 4g isn't really 4g (from what i read). But everyone think it is 4g and buy it out.
While functions, x10 lost to all the latest phones. The only thing that is attractive enough is SE's brand name, which some of us bought it because of it.
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I'm not into names, numbers or looks, only function.
Bought the X10 because it was/is the largest screen Android phone in Canada with North American 3G. (wasn't going to pay $800 to import an N1)
Happy with Android 1.6 but wish it did BT Voice Dial.
Don't care about looks which is why I stuck a 2600mAh battery in it's butt
BTW, I also never understood the iPhone attraction.
x10 is very good looking in white or black, It fits in the hand good not like the hd2. Soon or later 2.1 would come, and I don't care about 2.2. Anyway, all I want to say is x10 is good and just give it a try.
Sorry, but your posts make no sense. The Evo 4G is 4G, which is available only in a very limited number of major American cities.
The Evo 4G is not a true competitor for any other phone because it is such a niche product.
The Galaxy S, Droid Incredible, Droid X, and Droid 2 are the X10's biggest competition, but I assume that AT&T will price the X10 accordingly (i.e. lower than the others).
hmm so where is HondaGuy? Any answers for doubting me that the X10 is coming to AT&T since I was the first to state it a while ago?
The AT&T logo appears only in the back on the cover, we get to keep our XPERIA logo on the front
And 2.1 will be ready near the end of Q3 in September, the Q4 one is something else Let's just say we will be happy 2 more times with our X10 before the year ends
As late as the x10 is coming into the game for the american market, I feel that it is still plenty competitive with other flagship smartphones. There are only few minor issues with the x10, being the lack of MT and the lower built in ram and rom.
If at&t markets the phone correctly to those looking for a high quality camera phone, I think the x10 can make a great impression. While looks is an interpretive concept, I have heard a lot of positive comments about the phone's design and imo is currently the best looking phone available with android. For those reasons, I think the x10 will definitely get some crapple converts.
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The way that the 4 is selling out everywhere, no "crapple" owner is going to convert.
However, plenty of RIM users will jump onto the Android train.
These are hish wash here in the US. You go to ATT local store all you can see is selection of 10 crappy phone which they have put four of each in every corner (4x10 - 40 crappy phones) and a stand with iPhone on it. I have been ATT customer for 4 years now and I have never bought a phone from them. Phone Company in the US suck with no options. People don't care about the phone, as long as it has iphone options or some cool other feature or even if it doesn't.
We see the phones as gadget many people don't see it that way.
I wish t-mobile could bring their European policy here in the US.$0 for phone anything you like.
Let them be happy with their iPhone. as long as they are not using it for their pregnancy test.
Some reason I think X10 will do great in US.
When X10 was realesed, I doubted that it won't really do well in front of HTC and Motorola as it was Sony Ericsson's first Android device and no multitouch with 1.6
When I bought, I was amazed. I think the user experience is Brilliant!!! Top notch phone with hardware specs. The problem is not X10, it's the Sony Ericsson's delays with upgrades, but not to forget they are catching up. It's not they are not doing anything about it
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Sunday, 06 March 2011 08:34 Valeria Wilson
AT&T seems to be a roll ever since its lost exclusivity to the iPhone 4. In their build up of high-end Android smartphones to match the lineup of the Verizon iPhone and Droids, AT&T has already delivered us the HTC Inspire 4G, Motorola Atrix 4G and shortly the Samsung Infuse 4G. However a recent FCC filing of the Android 2.3 Gingerbread Sony Xperia Arc shows that AT&T has another high-end Android headed its way.
Sony Xperia Arc joining Motorola Atrix, HTC Inspire, Samsung Infuse
The Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc packs a super slim body, 4.2-inch touchscreen display, 1GHz Snapdragon processor, 512MB RAM, a microSD slot with upto 32GB storage support, 1500 mAh battery and the icing on the cake, Android 2.3 Gingerbread preloaded.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc passed through the FCC sporting GSM AT&T bands (including HSPA/HSUPA, UTMS 2/5).
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc release date and price tag unconfirmed
AT&T has yet to announce the price or release date of the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc but word on the street has speculated an April release date and $750 unlocked price tag at this time.
good news for AT&T customers
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Can you unlock it?
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yes, but have to wait a week or 2 after the phone hit market
750 for an unlocked unit? hmmmm sounds good
wonder how much with at&t xD
My guess is $199.99 with 2 yrs contract.
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750 for an unlocked unit? hmmmm sounds good
wonder how much with at&t xD
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Anyone think Arc has a better chance than X10 on AT&T? I still prefer the style of X10 over Atrix, HTC Inspire, and Samsung Infuse but I doubt the common customer will care about SE's Arc just like they didn't care about X10.
I've been mostly using SE phones (X10) every since I got W910. After reading about Samsung Infuse here , I am seriously thinking to jump from SE train as to me Arc already looks outdated compared to many of the Android phones already out there on AT&T and T-mobile. No front camera, no dedicated Search button, less RAM compared to the other latest phones, etc, etc.
If Infuse is no different than the other cheap Samsung crap, I might still be back to Arc but just can't get why SE still keeps announcing their phones way ahead of release date and then make them look outdated when it finally gets to the customer. They should have at least got a front camera on Arc to attract new customers instead of just SE fans. I know most of us here don't care about front camera nor do people who really care about it probably won't use it but if they want to sell phones, this is almost mandatory these days.
must admit I would have gone for the neo, if I wasn't so seduced by the look of the arc.. Front camera would be good. SE said they couldn't fit one into the body of the arc.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
will sonystyle usa sell this phone unlock when released?
I would use it for video calls if I could. But not in public! Probably use it to chat to my kids when I'm away from home with work.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
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It's not about using. It is one of those features that is usually one of the top features listed when comparing features. Front camera's were quite common few years back in SE's dumb phones like W910. Since it's being hardly used they probably decided to leave it out. But once, iPhone 4 got that feature everyone (even the freakin media) talk like iPhone invented it. But iPhone 4 sure did a great job in making it work on WiFi.
Maybe Arc not having front camera is good for us as SE has to price it low or drop the price pretty fast as it will be a hard sell for them when compared to the competition. Especially on AT&T as most common people will fall for dual-core/front facing camera of Atrix, huge screen of Samsung Infuse, or low price of HTC Inspire. So, it will be X10 all over again for Arc on AT&T. I hope it can be purchased for $399 without contract like I got X10.
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It's not about using. It is one of those features that is usually one of the top features listed when comparing features. Front camera's were quite common few years back in SE's dumb phones like W910. Since it's being hardly used they probably decided to leave it out. But once, iPhone 4 got that feature everyone (even the freakin media) talk like iPhone invented it. But iPhone 4 sure did a great job in making it work on WiFi.
Maybe Arc not having front camera is good for us as SE has to price it low or drop the price pretty fast as it will be a hard sell for them when compared to the competition. Especially on AT&T as most common people will fall for dual-core/front facing camera of Atrix, huge screen of Samsung Infuse, or low price of HTC Inspire. So, it will be X10 all over again for Arc on AT&T. I hope it can be purchased for $399 without contract like I got X10.
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Aha, so it's more due to the stupidity of the average American customer
Well, if you want a simfree contractless phone you could always have one shipped from Europe! Don't count on $399 though, $499 would be more in line with the EU prices.
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Aha, so it's more due to the stupidity of the average American customer
Well, if you want a simfree contractless phone you could always have one shipped from Europe! Don't count on $399 though, $499 would be more in line with the EU prices.
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I can't wait for AT&T to get this phone. So, I will jump for a SIM free version as soon as one with AT&T 3G is available.
AT&T dropped Atrix 4G no-commitment price to $499 and HTC Inspire is only $399. I hope they get Arc soon. It definitely has to be $499 or even less as Moto is much more popular seller for AT&T than our beloved SE.
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I really don't get why everyone wants a front camera? Does anyone ever do video calls? It's bloody weird talking to your phone, holding it in front of you! I've honestly never seen anyone do it, even though we have nationwide 3G and a lot of people have a phone with a front-facing camera!
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They want to give more money to ATT. In the past ATT charged extra for video calling and had special plans in place. Now you will have to have wifi connection or huge data plan to use video.
Every SE phone in the EU had front facing camera, but the USA ones Didn't.
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AT&T has yet to announce the price or release date of the Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc but word on the street has speculated an April release date and $750 unlocked price tag at this time.
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ROFLMAO $750? It's pretty but it is hardware challenged especially since they say that they have unannounced phones with better specs a few quarters away.
It can't cost more than a iphone.... last year's iphone....
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For sure? Any news on release date?
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Arc and Neo service is running now
Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Yup you're right, it's weird, why wouldn't they release it in the states? Releasing it with upgraded specs would also be a bad thing, what would the rest of the world think then?
Maybe the phone didn't pass FCC regulations or something, I've got no clue (Nor really care since I'm not in the states.)
My The phone has a FCC ID number. Do doesn't it mean they have passed?
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Interestingly, there is an NDTV article just released that reports 4.6 million potential XZ sales. So maybe I'm wrong and they do know what they're doing =D
Although, it remains to be seen how it will fair against the One and GS4 which will hit the world market soon.
I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
"At the farmers market with my so-called girlfriend.
She hands me her cell phone. Says it's my dad.
Man, this ain't my dad - this is a cell phone!
I threw it on the ground!"
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I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
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so cool
The problem with the US market is that the carriers mess with the devices. In a normal market, Sony can take the Xperia Z and release it through independent retailers and also let carriers sell it without altering the device (other than very light branding in some cases).
To me, it is fully understandable that Sony don't want to mess with one Xperia ZV for Verizon, an Xperia ZS for Sprint and finally Xperia ZL for AT&T and T-Mobile. It means three different versions of what is supposedly to be the same product.
Each version requires extra testing, FCC certification and is crippled by the carriers - each update has to go through them and people would complain about "Sony is not updating" et al.
It makes more sense to sell the Xperia Z in developed markets, i.e. markets where a C6602 or C6602 is ALWAYS the same. Europe is one example and with the big middle class in India, that is another example of a better market from their perspective.
It makes more sense for Sony to bring the Xperia to the US through themselves, in unlocked editions and then sell them together with prepaid cards and perhaps offer some kind of installment plan for paying off the device. Making THREE different versions of the device just in order to get it on US carriers is just not worth it.
Educated consumers in the US knows better than signing away $2699 ($299 + $100 x 24) - they buy their Xperia directly from Sony and pays $30-50 per month. Sony should aim for those consumers and profile themselves as a highend brand rather than going for those low class, ugly and crippled carrier branded devices with tons of bloatware that Joe Public craves for.
A Sony should be a pure Sony. Not a Sony AT&T, Sony Sprint, Sony Verizon or Sony T-Mobile. The latter could be an option for selling the devices provided that they can be unbranded and unlocked, without any T-Mobile logotype or bloatware in place.
The T-Mobile UnCarrier move would be a perfect fit for Sony but only if they can sell unmolested products. The other three carriers is not a good option because of the terrible mess they offer with branding etc.
The Sony brand should be kept clean. A Sony should always be a Sony, a pure experience like the Nexus.
The main problem is that while Sony does have devices with proper band support for AT&T and T-Mobile, they aren't selling them.
Seriously, I can't figure out why the C6602 is not available for purchase in this country. Releasing just the ZL is a huge mistake IMO - the Z has its water/dustproofing as a MASSIVE differentiator. The ZL is really "just another 5" 1080p phone" to most people. Yes, it has more polished software than any other device on the market - but consumers are so used to carrier mangling they won't see that.
Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
n4 king of sales numbers are not even worth the effort probably, z is in high demand and shortages in many countries right now, best to allocate all the stocks at hand to those markets that actually want it bad.
There are two retailers that carries the Xperia Z C6602: At GSM in Bowery Street and Mobile City Online in Walker Street.
I bought my C6602 at At GSM.
It would be nice to have it in the Sony Center too but even if they would sell it, I don't think there would be many retailers with it. Perhaps J&R. Otherwise, most of the mobile phone stores are carrier affiliated and therefore out of the question for anything unlocked and standardized.
I would like more manufacturers take a hard stance against the carriers in the US. Their modifications and branding dilutes the original brand of the device while most consumers blame the manufacturer rather than the carrier when there's no updates or delays.
Even if Sony should bring the C6602 in to the Sony Center, I stand behind their decision fully. Their brand represents quality and class and should provide a controlled experience - i.e. 100% Sony. Not 50% Sony and 50% [insert carrier of choice].
Another important thing is that beside modifications and branding, the marketing etc are put into the hands of the carriers. The manufacturer is pretty much out of the loop and that mean that the gains of getting a device out on a carrier could be a loss when everything comes around.
It is also worth to mention that the US market is such a terrible mess that a more standardized market like Europa or India etc simply makes more sense since they can receive a standard model (C6602 or C6603) that doesn't require extra testing etc.
You can supply the whole EU with C6603 while the US market would require a minimum of 3 different models (if AT&T and T-Mobile gets the same version) - if it would go to local carriers like US Cellulars it results in even more models. If the device sells 6 million divided between those different versions, then the problem is very obvious.
If we are kind and say that total sales is 6 million divided on AT&T 2 M, Verizon 2 M and 1 M each for Sprint and T-Mobile, the question is if it is worth the trouble. Especially since all those devices are different models even if it is supposedly the "same product" in the sales literature.
Personally, I would not release a product under those circumstances when I can go to the EU market and sell it in all countries with very slight alterations (translating some manuals and warranty papers).
It is also worth to mention that the risk for badwill is high if the carriers decides to withdraw further update support even if the manufacturer provides new updates. Since people will complain about Sony if a Verizon Xperia ZV doesn't receive updates, the problem is obvious.
I've never understood why Sprint/AT&T feel the need to plaster their crap over devices... NO ONE wants it.
At least here in the UK it's a bit more toned down.
They are, newegg and amazon have them on sale already. And it's the 6602 with sony us warranty.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
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I just bought a ZL from newegg today, C6506. But they also had the Z in C6602 form (the LTE model is "coming soon").
OMG I BOUGHT MINE ON EBAY FROM HK FOR 591 i hope its unlock!!!!
None of these responses really make any sense...
Sony is operating their mobile division at a loss. They want to compete with the big 2 (Samsung and Apple) in releasing a product, the XZ, that is in line w/ the Galaxy S line and iPhone. But because it is too difficult, they will sacrifice one of the largest target markets in the world?
Again, I'm not arguing that the US is the center of the world, but we remain a HUGE share of consumers for high end smartphones. And it isn't just the US, I just happened to choose it as one example. Quite frankly, what makes the Galaxy S line and iPhone such a success is that it can reach so many markets. And I think HTC realizes this, albeit quite late in the race. HTC finally released a 'world' phone in that its One reaches the masses in one config or another. No longer are they marketing the Droid, One X, DNA, etc. as their marquee phones.
This seems to be a misstep of Sony's. And with all the positive reviews coming in for the One and GS4, it looks like it's time to write off the XZ.
I wouldn't write off the Z so quickly. Other than the slightly slower processor, everything else is still more or less on par, some things slightly more so (waterproofing was what sold it for me, excellent developer support is another. Really, which other manufacturer makes AOSP builds for their phones?)
US carriers are mess with the devices, which are not unlockable in india..
According to a report out of Japan, the Sony Xperia Z2 is heading to Verizon. The report states that the Sony D6508 (which is allegedly Verizon's version of the flagship model) had received Wi-Fi certification on March 3rd. The phone will support LTE/CDMA2000/WCDMA/GSM connectivity.
The Sony Xperia Z2 will launch in the second quarter. Surprisingly, it will be a Verizon exclusive.
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Source. Dear god let this be true.
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Source. Dear god let this be true.
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This is great news! Proud of Verizon for making this happen
Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
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Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
Typed from Peru, where my Verizon phone is worthless
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Don't know what phone you have, but my S4 is internationally unlocked. Just pop in a SIM card and it works anywhere. Your problem is only partially to blame on Verizon.
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Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
Typed from Peru, where my Verizon phone is worthless
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Ah I imagine you travel overseas a lot. In that case, I can see why people won't want this. I personally don't travel much overseas unless it's for vacation, which I wouldn't want to be using my phone much for anyway.
I've been on Verizon since forever, and it's rare I get to see them get a phone like this. Verizon is usually the last to get the big name devices (which they've been fortunately changing as of late)
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Ah I imagine you travel overseas a lot. In that case, I can see why people won't want this. I personally don't travel much overseas unless it's for vacation, which I wouldn't want to be using my phone much for anyway.
I've been on Verizon since forever, and it's rare I get to see them get a phone like this. Verizon is usually the last to get the big name devices (which they've been fortunately changing as of late)
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I'm still burned from the "flagship" HTC Thunderbolt which caused me to switch to Verizon in the first place.
I'm an IT contractor, so I do travel outside the US. I've been abroad for 13 months, between working in Antarctica and motorcycling around South America.
I am about to return to the States, and want a modern phone with open developer access and a healthy ROM community. Thunderbolt was great for a while, but died hard due to neglect from HTC and VZW.
I want to jump ship to TMobile and have a phone that will work in Europe, the Americas and Asia. Buying cheap feature phones abroad is for the birds. Though, my cheap ass dual SIM phone for South America has a TV tuner, which is awesome. But, I have been trucking around the Thunderbolt to use only on WiFi.
The US scene of crippled phones by vendor and the culture of lock-in is a serious pet peeve of mine. Sorry if i came in too harshly.
I hope the Z2 has huge success, and good pricing after intro, but I will only get the International version direct from Sony.
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Why do you want this to be true? This would be the worse thing Sony can do. They really need to follow HTC when releasing new phones
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Why do you want this to be true? This would be the worse thing Sony can do. They really need to follow HTC when releasing new phones
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Distributing smartphones world-wide is not nearly so simple as simply "following HTC". It's a ton of work and it's a huge investment on the companies part. Sony hasn't bothered with the US market for years now. Recently they release phones in US 4-5 months after the rest of the world and on just T-Mobile, the smallest carrier. For them to do a US release within a reasonable time of the rest of the world and put the on the largest network would be a big change for them. It could be a step into Sony trying to re-enter the US market more aggressively. Which means more competition in the US highend smartphone market and competition = good.
Plus, I'm on Verizon and I like the Z2 much better than the One or S5.
It is imperitave that Sony get the US launch right. No matter how much they talk or boast about how good the phone is, no matter how good the phone might actually be, if they don't get it into the US carriers on time then it's never going to be a force to be reckoned with. The US market is the 2nd largest smartphone market, Sony have been idiots to treat it as 2nd fiddle so far. It's time for them to step up and take the market share away from HTC and Samsung, both of whose offerings this year haven't lived up to expectations. The Z2 would absolutely destroy the HTC One and GS5 if released and marketed properly.
If they screw this up again, then Sony Mobile will stay irrelevant in the large scheme of things.
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It is imperitave that Sony get the US launch right. No matter how much they talk or boast about how good the phone is, no matter how good the phone might actually be, if they don't get it into the US carriers on time then it's never going to be a force to be reckoned with. The US market is the 2nd largest smartphone market, Sony have been idiots to treat it as 2nd fiddle so far. It's time for them to step up and take the market share away from HTC and Samsung, both of whose offerings this year haven't lived up to expectations. The Z2 would absolutely destroy the HTC One and GS5 if released and marketed properly.
If they screw this up again, then Sony Mobile will stay irrelevant in the large scheme of things.
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Well said. The Z2 is very impressive, they made substantial improvements from the Z1. Meanwhile, the S5 and M8 feel like the same exact phones with an upgraded SoC. I think Sony fixing the screen and camera issues on the Z1 and bumping up the specs is an indicator of Sony's desire to enter the US market seriously.
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Distributing smartphones world-wide is not nearly so simple as simply "following HTC". It's a ton of work and it's a huge investment on the companies part. Sony hasn't bothered with the US market for years now. Recently they release phones in US 4-5 months after the rest of the world and on just T-Mobile, the smallest carrier. For them to do a US release within a reasonable time of the rest of the world and put the on the largest network would be a big change for them. It could be a step into Sony trying to re-enter the US market more aggressively. Which means more competition in the US highend smartphone market and competition = good.
Plus, I'm on Verizon and I like the Z2 much better than the One or S5.
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I'm sorry but I to disagree with you. The Xperia Z2 should not be exclusive to one carrier. Look how it turned out for them when they only released phones on AT&T then T-mobile-sales where horrible. If Samsung and HTC can release there flagship phones on all 4 carriers, I believe Sony can to. The reason Sony is having such a hard time penetrating the US market is because of the carriers but I believe thats going to change pretty soon.
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that going exclusively to Verizon would be a bad for Sony. But the ones on Verizon, like myself, are excited we're actually getting the phone when we never thought we'd have the option. I imagine anyone would be just as happy if their preferred carrier got the Z2.
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I don't think anyone is disagreeing that going exclusively to Verizon would be a bad for Sony. But the ones on Verizon, like myself, are excited we're actually getting the phone when we never thought we'd have the option. I imagine anyone would be just as happy if their preferred carrier got the Z2.
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Exactly.
Us vzw customers get shafted left and right. We are limited to phones approved by vzw. After their Galaxy Nexus fiasco, Google didn't trust them with the nexus 4 and 5. We pretty much are stuck with Samsungs and locked up HTCs.
A Sony phone on VZW would be a refreshing alternative to the current Verizon offerings.
I understand that exclusivity would screw over other carriers, and I am in no way saying that other carriers shouldn't have it. All I want is for vzw to offer it.
ps. Can't other people just get the unlocked international version and pop in a sim? Won't that work on Tmob ATT?
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I'm sorry but I to disagree with you. The Xperia Z2 should not be exclusive to one carrier. Look how it turned out for them when they only released phones on AT&T then T-mobile-sales where horrible. If Samsung and HTC can release there flagship phones on all 4 carriers, I believe Sony can to. The reason Sony is having such a hard time penetrating the US market is because of the carriers but I believe thats going to change pretty soon.
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People are underestimating how difficult it is to release a phone worldwide and how big the risks are. Of course a 4 carrier release is better than 1 carrier. But the point I'm making is that an OEM can't go from doing a US market release 4-5 months after worldwide on the smallest carrier (T-Mobile) to a release on all 4 carriers at the same time as the global market without some steps in between. Releasing the phone on Verizon, the largest carrier, at a similar time as the rest of the world could be a step in that direction. That's why it's good to see Sony doing this because it shows that they could be starting the process of becoming a major player in the US smartphone market. But it will take time and it will depend on many factors. Huge international corporations don't do things lightly.
And you're putting the horse before the cart. Sony isn't having a hard time penetrating the US market because of the carriers it's on. It's actually not having a hard time at all because Sony isn't trying for the US market. It's a low priority for them, which is why they don't bother pushing phones over to the US until months after teh rest of the world. It's not simply laziness, they've chosen to put their resources into other markets, mainly Japan and Europe.
Perhaps the trigger that many are responding to is the perceived excitement for exclusivity to a carrier which is already widely disliked for its imposition of limitations on its customer base. As enlightened technophiles, presumably we promote the widespread dissemination of great technology, especially open technology.
The International version should already support VZW's LTE bands. Legacy CDMA support would require a VZW-specific version, however, if I am not mistaken.
Launch the damn phone unlocked and as capable as possible, and then provide for the stupid American carriers that demand proprietary solutions.
I'm on VZW now, and will jump in a hearbeat when the right phone is available unlocked and precisely without any of the Verizon **** that they insist on including to pollute every product they sell. When asshats like Verizon and Comcast get product exclusivity, we all lose.
This does suck for other users, but I still have unlimited data plan with VZW & happy to get rid of razr maxx hd.
Thought I was going to have to switch to t-mo for the Z2, i'm so glad I don't! :good:
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This does suck for other users, but I still have unlimited data plan with VZW & happy to get rid of razr maxx hd.
Thought I was going to have to switch to t-mo for the Z2, i'm so glad I don't! :good:
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I was in the same situation, coming from the same phone. I bit the bullet and got the one M8 to tide me over.
I walked into the neighborhood verizon and I was about to get the S5 but was already strongly considering the Z2. I spoke with the reps there and they said it's official that it's definitely coming to the US and the last time a Sony rep showed up to their store he told them it was coming to verizon as a exclusive ( there is rep for every manufacturer in these stores ) they were given information on the phone but the date is still elusive.
Verizon sales rep says they are expecting to have them in store within 3 weeks. The amount of information that Verizon has it as a exclusive is over weighing and I'm putting off getting the S5 for getting the Z2
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Exactly.
Us vzw customers get shafted left and right. We are limited to phones approved by vzw. After their Galaxy Nexus fiasco, Google didn't trust them with the nexus 4 and 5. We pretty much are stuck with Samsungs and locked up HTCs.
A Sony phone on VZW would be a refreshing alternative to the current Verizon offerings.
I understand that exclusivity would screw over other carriers, and I am in no way saying that other carriers shouldn't have it. All I want is for vzw to offer it.
ps. Can't other people just get the unlocked international version and pop in a sim? Won't that work on Tmob ATT?
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If Verizon gives such crappy phones. Why stay with them? They will only begin to listen when people leave.
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I walked into the neighborhood verizon and I was about to get the S5 but was already strongly considering the Z2. I spoke with the reps there and they said it's official that it's definitely coming to the US and the last time a Sony rep showed up to their store he told them it was coming to verizon as a exclusive ( there is rep for every manufacturer in these stores ) they were given information on the phone but the date is still elusive.
Verizon sales rep says they are expecting to have them in store within 3 weeks. The amount of information that Verizon has it as a exclusive is over weighing and I'm putting off getting the S5 for getting the Z2
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That's a crazy amount of specific info you got from your neighborhood vzw reps. Usually they are clueless or unwilling to share any info that's not official.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/6/8351785/sony-xperia-z3-t-mobile-discontinued
Uh oh, Sony is now going to have a much harder time in the US unless it decides to do the Z4 on all carriers when it releases. I have the Verizon variant and I'm loving it but I'm shocked T-Mobile quickly decides to discontinue the Z3. I hope Verizon doesn't do the same although they're selling the Z3v for 99 cents on contract.
What do you guys think? Is there still hope the Z4 will invade the US market?
Does this mean no lollipop for D6616?
To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
honestly, i'm not surprised. you can gauge how well a product is doing based on how many other companies want to piggyback on its success. When talking about phones, this usually means accessories, and if you compare it to the other smartphones on the market of the same price range, the adoption of the Z3 in the States was abysmal. You can't even go out a buy a nice case for it, even at T-Mo stores..
I agree with wprpalmeida and abhinav.tella. The whole branding for Sony smartphone is lacking in the US to the fullest. You will hear a lot about the new Samsung Galaxy, iPhone, HTC, etc. in the commercials. Everyone is familiar with these brands. I had Samsung Galaxy S5 or iPhone 6 users compliment on my Z3, but had no idea it was a Sony phone. Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
Not only in US... Situation EU countries is similar.
I'm trying to find case for Z3 and there's nothing in Tmobile or other stores...
When I remember Z, Z1.... even Z2, stores were full of gadgets, cases and screen protectors.
You could buy many things on EBay and on stores but Z3 is very poor with accessories for this device...
Sony is losing this battle.... Unfortunately.
I really like Xperia devices but changes on Z3 and Z4 just aren't good enough.
New SoC, cool...but where's other things?
They are just moving speakers and hardware buttons around device...
I had Z1, Z2 and Z3 and I always had to look closely to make sure I took device I want...
Now I have only Z1 and Z3, I bought Note4 and it's exciting new thing for me...
It's not better then Z3, it's same as Z3 but it's something new for me...
But lets not spit only on Sony, all manufacturers are doing the same thing...
I guess we reached the point where we don't need more cpu power or memory..
We need better OS and battery...
Better battery we probably won't see but we could get faster updates and better firmware / software...
If Apple has hardware from Note4 or Z3 powered by iOS they would show what we actually have under the hood...
It's ridiculous to have more power in phones then in notebooks and see that notebooks are faster then phones.
And still they are on Windows?! [emoji14]
I'm thinking... We are probably close to see Android we'll have to pay and devices that are same for years...
Something just have to change..
"Batteries are getting worse" (ridiculously strong and fast SoC are killing them), screens are going into XXXXHD resolutions...
We need better OS, at least better optimised OS...not more power in cpu and gpu... God...I need smartphone, not GameBoy..
Manufacturers have to realised that or Sony won't be the only one who got shoe in the ass...
If that was reason (slow updates and same devices for a years) for Tmobile to cans Sony and their Z1 copies then I salute to Tmobile..
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Oh for MOD EDIT Rule 2 @gregbradley sake! Now with this news how in the hell are we gonna get the D6616 lollipop update now? At first I thought the Sony Xperia Z3 was a great phone and now with all this delays, discontinuations, no support for root, I'm never gonna buy a Sony phone again. The only reason why I bought this phone was because it had 3GB RAM and SD card and 20MP camera.
If I were to switch to another brand, every other one is crap too. HTC already failed to make a great camera on its M9. Samsung Edge and S6 have no support for SD card and is a copy of iPhone 6. Motorola doesn't make phones with the latest specs and an SD card. Sony is a complete joke, so who's left? The only one to make me happy is LG but that 5.5 inch is just overkill but its the only phone that has everything I want. There's no phone thats perfect for my needs.
Very sad, but can't really blame T-Mobile. 1st couple of batches on TMO were defective (spontaneous back glass cracks, fitment issues, etc.), then Sony themselves offer zero advertisement to move units. Word of mouth only goes so far. Every person I have shown this phone to (and its capabilities) is very impressed, but they always say "Xperia what?" They have already annouced support for 5.0 on TMO, so I'd be really suprised if they back out now.
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Let me just say that if Samsung or Apple had done the branding and advertisement for Sony, Sony would be in way better shape.
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Samsung and Apple spend obscene amounts of money in their marketing campaigns. Even when the Z series could be a better product by objective standards, Sony just doesn't have the muscle power (the money) to let people know. Also Not sure how is elsewhere, but getting in bed with the carriers is crucial to sell your phone in the USA, only Apple is able to escape this fate.
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To be honest, no I don't think the Z4 will sell well in the US either even though it will probably be a great device. Even when I bought the Z3 I did not think it would really sell. It's not that it's a bad device, it's just that more people associate Android phones with HTC/Samsung/LG. Sony has not done much advertising and so not many people even know it exists. Everything I just said pertains more to the US than other countries, where Sony has a bigger footprint.
Just look at the HTC Butterfly how many people bought it? Even though it was higher end device than the M7 and also had a better camera. I loved it but it wasn't really advertised as much as the M7.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Americans are brainwashed by advertising, and so we know only what we have been programmed to believe.
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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Brainwashed or not, if you want to sell a product in large quantities you have to cut through the noise. As mentioned, there is no incentive for sales staff to sell a product with little consumer knowledge when they have a more widely known alternative available. I believe that informed consumers will always be relative minority.
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Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
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Well to be fair, at least the store near me where I went for 3 exchanges (Z3) told me there were many others coming in for replacements as well due to defects cosmetic (gaps) or camera, apparently they received a bad batch/es... so low sales and high return rates generally call for a phase out or TMO will also be at the receiving end.
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The store I went to touted the Z3. I wound up getting it by calling t-mobile and throwing the "I've been with you guys for thirteen years" flag, and they took $100 off. My Z3 hasn't given me any troubles... Yet. We'll see.
Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
No root (and locked bootloader) killed the phone.
The latest update makes Galaxy-compatible headset works 100% with volume +-.
Frankly, I want to stay away from Samsh_t as far as possible, and though I am happy with LG G3, lacking band 12 may make me move on. No root makes me hesitant to get this phone because I need root to fix write to SD problem.
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Did you buy it at launch? Some of the stores apparently got bad batches at launch, they stripped 10+ boxes in my 3 visits to TMO store, my current one is good though. Then again apparently even the iPhone 6 had many warranty returns at TMO lol, they told me that it would take time to process refund from my first Z3 exchange, because they were backlogged with returned iPhone 6s lol.
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What was bad about them? I'm curious.
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What was bad about them? I'm curious.
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Well the first two had big gaps between screen and frame with glue missing / bits of glue visible (i think) and massive light bleed from there, one had a pink camera (mild), the 4th one is perfect (current one).
The electronic buying habit of the american public blows me away. Don't people research anything anymore? It's like we've become incapable of doing anything outside of the norm. Apple is making a killing selling a technologically inferior product because it's the cool thing to own now. It makes me feel like my fellow countrymen are just plain stupid most of the time. Plus you would think Apple invented big screens and NFC payments. Ugh....
And, most think Samsung is the only non Apple alternative.
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Yes, you are correct, which leads me to my other criticism of American retail. Many large retail chains employ people at low wages and provide very little training on their products. You couple an uneducated store clerk and uneducated consumer and you get a marriage of ignorance and misunderstanding of the product that the customer is purchasing. T-mobile, in my view, is selling the data plan, over the phone. That's their produc: the data plan. They couldn't care as much about the hardware. The feign ignorance so that you believe you need a new phone. Sheisters!
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It's borderline anti trust going on at the mobile phone companies. I'd like to see them completely removed from the phone buying experience. They have way too much influence. Seems we did this once in the old days when you had to buy your land line phone from ATT. You should be able to buy an American phone that covers all bands and then choose your carrier.