According to a report out of Japan, the Sony Xperia Z2 is heading to Verizon. The report states that the Sony D6508 (which is allegedly Verizon's version of the flagship model) had received Wi-Fi certification on March 3rd. The phone will support LTE/CDMA2000/WCDMA/GSM connectivity.
The Sony Xperia Z2 will launch in the second quarter. Surprisingly, it will be a Verizon exclusive.
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Source. Dear god let this be true.
bobbarker2 said:
Source. Dear god let this be true.
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This is great news! Proud of Verizon for making this happen
Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
Typed from Peru, where my Verizon phone is worthless
BoulderGeek said:
Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
Typed from Peru, where my Verizon phone is worthless
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Don't know what phone you have, but my S4 is internationally unlocked. Just pop in a SIM card and it works anywhere. Your problem is only partially to blame on Verizon.
BoulderGeek said:
Why in the world would you want this to be true?
Verizon sucks for travelers. I have to buy phones abroad to use, because even though i have my Verizon LTE phone, unlocked, S-OFF, rooted and custom, it won't work anywhere bu the US.
I effing hate Verizon, and want the Z2 specifically to be a world phone so I never have to use Verizon again. These verndor specific models are stupid.
Typed from Peru, where my Verizon phone is worthless
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Ah I imagine you travel overseas a lot. In that case, I can see why people won't want this. I personally don't travel much overseas unless it's for vacation, which I wouldn't want to be using my phone much for anyway.
I've been on Verizon since forever, and it's rare I get to see them get a phone like this. Verizon is usually the last to get the big name devices (which they've been fortunately changing as of late)
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Ah I imagine you travel overseas a lot. In that case, I can see why people won't want this. I personally don't travel much overseas unless it's for vacation, which I wouldn't want to be using my phone much for anyway.
I've been on Verizon since forever, and it's rare I get to see them get a phone like this. Verizon is usually the last to get the big name devices (which they've been fortunately changing as of late)
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I'm still burned from the "flagship" HTC Thunderbolt which caused me to switch to Verizon in the first place.
I'm an IT contractor, so I do travel outside the US. I've been abroad for 13 months, between working in Antarctica and motorcycling around South America.
I am about to return to the States, and want a modern phone with open developer access and a healthy ROM community. Thunderbolt was great for a while, but died hard due to neglect from HTC and VZW.
I want to jump ship to TMobile and have a phone that will work in Europe, the Americas and Asia. Buying cheap feature phones abroad is for the birds. Though, my cheap ass dual SIM phone for South America has a TV tuner, which is awesome. But, I have been trucking around the Thunderbolt to use only on WiFi.
The US scene of crippled phones by vendor and the culture of lock-in is a serious pet peeve of mine. Sorry if i came in too harshly.
I hope the Z2 has huge success, and good pricing after intro, but I will only get the International version direct from Sony.
bobbarker2 said:
Source. Dear god let this be true.
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Why do you want this to be true? This would be the worse thing Sony can do. They really need to follow HTC when releasing new phones
samven582 said:
Why do you want this to be true? This would be the worse thing Sony can do. They really need to follow HTC when releasing new phones
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Distributing smartphones world-wide is not nearly so simple as simply "following HTC". It's a ton of work and it's a huge investment on the companies part. Sony hasn't bothered with the US market for years now. Recently they release phones in US 4-5 months after the rest of the world and on just T-Mobile, the smallest carrier. For them to do a US release within a reasonable time of the rest of the world and put the on the largest network would be a big change for them. It could be a step into Sony trying to re-enter the US market more aggressively. Which means more competition in the US highend smartphone market and competition = good.
Plus, I'm on Verizon and I like the Z2 much better than the One or S5.
It is imperitave that Sony get the US launch right. No matter how much they talk or boast about how good the phone is, no matter how good the phone might actually be, if they don't get it into the US carriers on time then it's never going to be a force to be reckoned with. The US market is the 2nd largest smartphone market, Sony have been idiots to treat it as 2nd fiddle so far. It's time for them to step up and take the market share away from HTC and Samsung, both of whose offerings this year haven't lived up to expectations. The Z2 would absolutely destroy the HTC One and GS5 if released and marketed properly.
If they screw this up again, then Sony Mobile will stay irrelevant in the large scheme of things.
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It is imperitave that Sony get the US launch right. No matter how much they talk or boast about how good the phone is, no matter how good the phone might actually be, if they don't get it into the US carriers on time then it's never going to be a force to be reckoned with. The US market is the 2nd largest smartphone market, Sony have been idiots to treat it as 2nd fiddle so far. It's time for them to step up and take the market share away from HTC and Samsung, both of whose offerings this year haven't lived up to expectations. The Z2 would absolutely destroy the HTC One and GS5 if released and marketed properly.
If they screw this up again, then Sony Mobile will stay irrelevant in the large scheme of things.
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Well said. The Z2 is very impressive, they made substantial improvements from the Z1. Meanwhile, the S5 and M8 feel like the same exact phones with an upgraded SoC. I think Sony fixing the screen and camera issues on the Z1 and bumping up the specs is an indicator of Sony's desire to enter the US market seriously.
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Distributing smartphones world-wide is not nearly so simple as simply "following HTC". It's a ton of work and it's a huge investment on the companies part. Sony hasn't bothered with the US market for years now. Recently they release phones in US 4-5 months after the rest of the world and on just T-Mobile, the smallest carrier. For them to do a US release within a reasonable time of the rest of the world and put the on the largest network would be a big change for them. It could be a step into Sony trying to re-enter the US market more aggressively. Which means more competition in the US highend smartphone market and competition = good.
Plus, I'm on Verizon and I like the Z2 much better than the One or S5.
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I'm sorry but I to disagree with you. The Xperia Z2 should not be exclusive to one carrier. Look how it turned out for them when they only released phones on AT&T then T-mobile-sales where horrible. If Samsung and HTC can release there flagship phones on all 4 carriers, I believe Sony can to. The reason Sony is having such a hard time penetrating the US market is because of the carriers but I believe thats going to change pretty soon.
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that going exclusively to Verizon would be a bad for Sony. But the ones on Verizon, like myself, are excited we're actually getting the phone when we never thought we'd have the option. I imagine anyone would be just as happy if their preferred carrier got the Z2.
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I don't think anyone is disagreeing that going exclusively to Verizon would be a bad for Sony. But the ones on Verizon, like myself, are excited we're actually getting the phone when we never thought we'd have the option. I imagine anyone would be just as happy if their preferred carrier got the Z2.
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Exactly.
Us vzw customers get shafted left and right. We are limited to phones approved by vzw. After their Galaxy Nexus fiasco, Google didn't trust them with the nexus 4 and 5. We pretty much are stuck with Samsungs and locked up HTCs.
A Sony phone on VZW would be a refreshing alternative to the current Verizon offerings.
I understand that exclusivity would screw over other carriers, and I am in no way saying that other carriers shouldn't have it. All I want is for vzw to offer it.
ps. Can't other people just get the unlocked international version and pop in a sim? Won't that work on Tmob ATT?
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I'm sorry but I to disagree with you. The Xperia Z2 should not be exclusive to one carrier. Look how it turned out for them when they only released phones on AT&T then T-mobile-sales where horrible. If Samsung and HTC can release there flagship phones on all 4 carriers, I believe Sony can to. The reason Sony is having such a hard time penetrating the US market is because of the carriers but I believe thats going to change pretty soon.
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People are underestimating how difficult it is to release a phone worldwide and how big the risks are. Of course a 4 carrier release is better than 1 carrier. But the point I'm making is that an OEM can't go from doing a US market release 4-5 months after worldwide on the smallest carrier (T-Mobile) to a release on all 4 carriers at the same time as the global market without some steps in between. Releasing the phone on Verizon, the largest carrier, at a similar time as the rest of the world could be a step in that direction. That's why it's good to see Sony doing this because it shows that they could be starting the process of becoming a major player in the US smartphone market. But it will take time and it will depend on many factors. Huge international corporations don't do things lightly.
And you're putting the horse before the cart. Sony isn't having a hard time penetrating the US market because of the carriers it's on. It's actually not having a hard time at all because Sony isn't trying for the US market. It's a low priority for them, which is why they don't bother pushing phones over to the US until months after teh rest of the world. It's not simply laziness, they've chosen to put their resources into other markets, mainly Japan and Europe.
Perhaps the trigger that many are responding to is the perceived excitement for exclusivity to a carrier which is already widely disliked for its imposition of limitations on its customer base. As enlightened technophiles, presumably we promote the widespread dissemination of great technology, especially open technology.
The International version should already support VZW's LTE bands. Legacy CDMA support would require a VZW-specific version, however, if I am not mistaken.
Launch the damn phone unlocked and as capable as possible, and then provide for the stupid American carriers that demand proprietary solutions.
I'm on VZW now, and will jump in a hearbeat when the right phone is available unlocked and precisely without any of the Verizon **** that they insist on including to pollute every product they sell. When asshats like Verizon and Comcast get product exclusivity, we all lose.
This does suck for other users, but I still have unlimited data plan with VZW & happy to get rid of razr maxx hd.
Thought I was going to have to switch to t-mo for the Z2, i'm so glad I don't! :good:
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This does suck for other users, but I still have unlimited data plan with VZW & happy to get rid of razr maxx hd.
Thought I was going to have to switch to t-mo for the Z2, i'm so glad I don't! :good:
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I was in the same situation, coming from the same phone. I bit the bullet and got the one M8 to tide me over.
I walked into the neighborhood verizon and I was about to get the S5 but was already strongly considering the Z2. I spoke with the reps there and they said it's official that it's definitely coming to the US and the last time a Sony rep showed up to their store he told them it was coming to verizon as a exclusive ( there is rep for every manufacturer in these stores ) they were given information on the phone but the date is still elusive.
Verizon sales rep says they are expecting to have them in store within 3 weeks. The amount of information that Verizon has it as a exclusive is over weighing and I'm putting off getting the S5 for getting the Z2
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Exactly.
Us vzw customers get shafted left and right. We are limited to phones approved by vzw. After their Galaxy Nexus fiasco, Google didn't trust them with the nexus 4 and 5. We pretty much are stuck with Samsungs and locked up HTCs.
A Sony phone on VZW would be a refreshing alternative to the current Verizon offerings.
I understand that exclusivity would screw over other carriers, and I am in no way saying that other carriers shouldn't have it. All I want is for vzw to offer it.
ps. Can't other people just get the unlocked international version and pop in a sim? Won't that work on Tmob ATT?
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If Verizon gives such crappy phones. Why stay with them? They will only begin to listen when people leave.
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I walked into the neighborhood verizon and I was about to get the S5 but was already strongly considering the Z2. I spoke with the reps there and they said it's official that it's definitely coming to the US and the last time a Sony rep showed up to their store he told them it was coming to verizon as a exclusive ( there is rep for every manufacturer in these stores ) they were given information on the phone but the date is still elusive.
Verizon sales rep says they are expecting to have them in store within 3 weeks. The amount of information that Verizon has it as a exclusive is over weighing and I'm putting off getting the S5 for getting the Z2
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That's a crazy amount of specific info you got from your neighborhood vzw reps. Usually they are clueless or unwilling to share any info that's not official.
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http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-on-nexus-one-partnerships.html
Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.
Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.
I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices
Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!
thats a damn shame
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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Post a pic of the chick!
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neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.
Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.
I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..
personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1
Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Unless they somehow release an XZ on steroids to the US...
But with next to no marketing, nor word about the US market, I think Sony has missed their chance at grabbing the attention of its US consumers w/ their flagship before Samsung and HTC comes in. Sure, people like you and I who follow this sort of stuff know to expect the XZ, but that's hardly a fraction of US smartphone consumers.
When the XZ does (or doesn't) get released to the US, I think consumers will be confused. Sony will be releasing their flagship device partly on last generation's hardware. And that is not going to sit well with the average consumer, where the average consumer will understand waterproof and glance at the spec sheet.
I know the US doesn't represent the world, but without doubt they are one of the biggest markets, and surely Sony has done themselves in with the XZ.
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Yup you're right, it's weird, why wouldn't they release it in the states? Releasing it with upgraded specs would also be a bad thing, what would the rest of the world think then?
Maybe the phone didn't pass FCC regulations or something, I've got no clue (Nor really care since I'm not in the states.)
My The phone has a FCC ID number. Do doesn't it mean they have passed?
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Interestingly, there is an NDTV article just released that reports 4.6 million potential XZ sales. So maybe I'm wrong and they do know what they're doing =D
Although, it remains to be seen how it will fair against the One and GS4 which will hit the world market soon.
I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
"At the farmers market with my so-called girlfriend.
She hands me her cell phone. Says it's my dad.
Man, this ain't my dad - this is a cell phone!
I threw it on the ground!"
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I just got back from Las Vegas and a TON of people were asking me what phone I had. So if they don't release it in the states they're idiots
I did shock quite a few by dropping it in the pool at the MMS2013 ending party
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so cool
The problem with the US market is that the carriers mess with the devices. In a normal market, Sony can take the Xperia Z and release it through independent retailers and also let carriers sell it without altering the device (other than very light branding in some cases).
To me, it is fully understandable that Sony don't want to mess with one Xperia ZV for Verizon, an Xperia ZS for Sprint and finally Xperia ZL for AT&T and T-Mobile. It means three different versions of what is supposedly to be the same product.
Each version requires extra testing, FCC certification and is crippled by the carriers - each update has to go through them and people would complain about "Sony is not updating" et al.
It makes more sense to sell the Xperia Z in developed markets, i.e. markets where a C6602 or C6602 is ALWAYS the same. Europe is one example and with the big middle class in India, that is another example of a better market from their perspective.
It makes more sense for Sony to bring the Xperia to the US through themselves, in unlocked editions and then sell them together with prepaid cards and perhaps offer some kind of installment plan for paying off the device. Making THREE different versions of the device just in order to get it on US carriers is just not worth it.
Educated consumers in the US knows better than signing away $2699 ($299 + $100 x 24) - they buy their Xperia directly from Sony and pays $30-50 per month. Sony should aim for those consumers and profile themselves as a highend brand rather than going for those low class, ugly and crippled carrier branded devices with tons of bloatware that Joe Public craves for.
A Sony should be a pure Sony. Not a Sony AT&T, Sony Sprint, Sony Verizon or Sony T-Mobile. The latter could be an option for selling the devices provided that they can be unbranded and unlocked, without any T-Mobile logotype or bloatware in place.
The T-Mobile UnCarrier move would be a perfect fit for Sony but only if they can sell unmolested products. The other three carriers is not a good option because of the terrible mess they offer with branding etc.
The Sony brand should be kept clean. A Sony should always be a Sony, a pure experience like the Nexus.
The main problem is that while Sony does have devices with proper band support for AT&T and T-Mobile, they aren't selling them.
Seriously, I can't figure out why the C6602 is not available for purchase in this country. Releasing just the ZL is a huge mistake IMO - the Z has its water/dustproofing as a MASSIVE differentiator. The ZL is really "just another 5" 1080p phone" to most people. Yes, it has more polished software than any other device on the market - but consumers are so used to carrier mangling they won't see that.
Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Sony probably doesn't want Xperia Z with Verizon logo printed on the most awkward place possible... but seriously, blame your carriers - if your market needs to modify each and every device and require manufacturers to prepare a special edition just for you with ridiculous requirements as to what has to be modified - it'll be like that all the time. They even seem to be reluctant to allow T-Mobile version of Xperia Z, and I can't blame them for that. It's meant to be "the best of Sony", not the best of AT&T Sony, or Sprint Sony.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
n4 king of sales numbers are not even worth the effort probably, z is in high demand and shortages in many countries right now, best to allocate all the stocks at hand to those markets that actually want it bad.
There are two retailers that carries the Xperia Z C6602: At GSM in Bowery Street and Mobile City Online in Walker Street.
I bought my C6602 at At GSM.
It would be nice to have it in the Sony Center too but even if they would sell it, I don't think there would be many retailers with it. Perhaps J&R. Otherwise, most of the mobile phone stores are carrier affiliated and therefore out of the question for anything unlocked and standardized.
I would like more manufacturers take a hard stance against the carriers in the US. Their modifications and branding dilutes the original brand of the device while most consumers blame the manufacturer rather than the carrier when there's no updates or delays.
Even if Sony should bring the C6602 in to the Sony Center, I stand behind their decision fully. Their brand represents quality and class and should provide a controlled experience - i.e. 100% Sony. Not 50% Sony and 50% [insert carrier of choice].
Another important thing is that beside modifications and branding, the marketing etc are put into the hands of the carriers. The manufacturer is pretty much out of the loop and that mean that the gains of getting a device out on a carrier could be a loss when everything comes around.
It is also worth to mention that the US market is such a terrible mess that a more standardized market like Europa or India etc simply makes more sense since they can receive a standard model (C6602 or C6603) that doesn't require extra testing etc.
You can supply the whole EU with C6603 while the US market would require a minimum of 3 different models (if AT&T and T-Mobile gets the same version) - if it would go to local carriers like US Cellulars it results in even more models. If the device sells 6 million divided between those different versions, then the problem is very obvious.
If we are kind and say that total sales is 6 million divided on AT&T 2 M, Verizon 2 M and 1 M each for Sprint and T-Mobile, the question is if it is worth the trouble. Especially since all those devices are different models even if it is supposedly the "same product" in the sales literature.
Personally, I would not release a product under those circumstances when I can go to the EU market and sell it in all countries with very slight alterations (translating some manuals and warranty papers).
It is also worth to mention that the risk for badwill is high if the carriers decides to withdraw further update support even if the manufacturer provides new updates. Since people will complain about Sony if a Verizon Xperia ZV doesn't receive updates, the problem is obvious.
I've never understood why Sprint/AT&T feel the need to plaster their crap over devices... NO ONE wants it.
At least here in the UK it's a bit more toned down.
They are, newegg and amazon have them on sale already. And it's the 6602 with sony us warranty.
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Thing is, they aren't even offering the C6602 in unlocked form.
The Nexus 4 proves that you can sell in the US without carriers in the loop if you have pentaband HSPA+. The C6602 has pentaband HSPA+ - it'll work great on both T-Mobile and AT&T with ZERO changes. All they need to do is actually put it up for sale!
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I just bought a ZL from newegg today, C6506. But they also had the Z in C6602 form (the LTE model is "coming soon").
OMG I BOUGHT MINE ON EBAY FROM HK FOR 591 i hope its unlock!!!!
None of these responses really make any sense...
Sony is operating their mobile division at a loss. They want to compete with the big 2 (Samsung and Apple) in releasing a product, the XZ, that is in line w/ the Galaxy S line and iPhone. But because it is too difficult, they will sacrifice one of the largest target markets in the world?
Again, I'm not arguing that the US is the center of the world, but we remain a HUGE share of consumers for high end smartphones. And it isn't just the US, I just happened to choose it as one example. Quite frankly, what makes the Galaxy S line and iPhone such a success is that it can reach so many markets. And I think HTC realizes this, albeit quite late in the race. HTC finally released a 'world' phone in that its One reaches the masses in one config or another. No longer are they marketing the Droid, One X, DNA, etc. as their marquee phones.
This seems to be a misstep of Sony's. And with all the positive reviews coming in for the One and GS4, it looks like it's time to write off the XZ.
I wouldn't write off the Z so quickly. Other than the slightly slower processor, everything else is still more or less on par, some things slightly more so (waterproofing was what sold it for me, excellent developer support is another. Really, which other manufacturer makes AOSP builds for their phones?)
US carriers are mess with the devices, which are not unlockable in india..
I just talked with a verizon rep in their live chat, they told me that there will be an announcement the 31st about when the phone can be ordered.
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I just talked with a verizon rep in their live chat, they told me that there will be an announcement the 31st about when the phone can be ordered.
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Probably the same rep that said it was being released last Saturday, in February, and doesn't know what an N6 is but would be happy to help you purchase a Droid Turbo.
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lol. just spoke with "jerry" via live chat. got same thing i've been getting since initial release:
At this time, we have not been provided information regarding the release of the Nexus 6.
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I called and talked to a rep last week. He had no information either. I've been (im)patiently waiting since the day Google announced the phone. I was only a couple of days away from being able to upgrade, and had my mind set on a Note 4. I've been getting more frustrated every day, as one of my co-workers went and looked at the N6 at the freaking US Cellular store. US Cellular! They have it before Verizon... I'm concerned that Verizon is taking all of this time to lock the phone as tight as the Note 4, which is still un-rooted on VZW. I live in a small rural area where our ONLY coverage is VZW and USC.
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I'm concerned that Verizon is taking all of this time to lock the phone as tight as the Note 4, which is still un-rooted on VZW. I live in a small rural area where our ONLY coverage is VZW and USC.
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Thank Samsung for that. I don't know why anyone thought differently given the Note 3 bounty is *still* outstanding. And with Android L's change wrt kernel and root...odds are it will never be rooted.
Vote with your wallet people. Don't give Samsung a dime for their Knox crapware.
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Thank Samsung for that. I don't know why anyone thought differently given the Note 3 bounty is *still* outstanding. And with Android L's change wrt kernel and root...odds are it will never be rooted.
Vote with your wallet people. Don't give Samsung a dime for their Knox crapware.
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Oh, I agree somewhat. Knox blows. Samsung Touchwiz is my least favorite. BUT, the Note 4 is rooted already for the other carriers in the USA, but even (last I checked) over $11000 worth of bounty for root access on the VZW version hasn't had any success. If that was because of Samsung, the Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T versions wouldn't already have root access. The Note 4 hardware is amazing, we just need the ability to put different software on it. I hate Verizon... I may switch to US Cellular someday. They historically haven't had flagship phones available until the last year or two. But, there still isn't much in the way of Dev support here for their phones. What good is a monster phone if we can't hack and crack a bit? LOL
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Oh, I agree somewhat. Knox blows. Samsung Touchwiz is my least favorite. BUT, the Note 4 is rooted already for the other carriers in the USA, but even (last I checked) over $11000 worth of bounty for root access on the VZW version hasn't had any success. If that was because of Samsung, the Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T versions wouldn't already have root access. The Note 4 hardware is amazing, we just need the ability to put different software on it. I hate Verizon... I may switch to US Cellular someday. They historically haven't had flagship phones available until the last year or two. But, there still isn't much in the way of Dev support here for their phones. What good is a monster phone if we can't hack and crack a bit? LOL
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Half the problem with dev support is the insistence that every USA carrier have a unique SKU and mutually incompatible firmware. Which leads to community dev fragmentation to the max. Which is squarely on the manufacturer to blame. Knox and the locked bootloaders are also on the manufacturer. With Samsung's mobile division bleeding oodles and gobs of money this year, maybe Samsung will mend their ways.
Samsung's problem is that they went from making 2-3 high quality handsets under one brand (Galaxy)....to making dozens of handsets each with 5+ different unique carrier/region-specific SKUs.
An announcement on the 31st on when Nexus 6? What that it can be pre ordered in March or something and maybe 1,000 available
There are two golden rules you should keep in mind when speaking to ANY type of VZW rep:
1 - they have absolutely no information on the phone, its release or anything else related to it - plain and simple.
2 - they have been instructed to try to keep you on VZW, so anything of a delaying comment that will keep you hanging on while the first rule is in effect works for them, not you.
The phone only has two SKU's - We're going to find that VZ will allow it on the network (because they have to) and they won't sell it.
I said it first, and time will bear it out. I hope I'm incorrect. the only thing that will indicate it is here on VZ is a press release or seeing it on the website by magic, period. Anything else is just pure speculation and wishing.
Well, heres to pure speculation and wishing...:highfive:
But forreal. You suck vzw.
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There are two golden rules you should keep in mind when speaking to ANY type of VZW rep:
1 - they have absolutely no information on the phone, its release or anything else related to it - plain and simple.
2 - they have been instructed to try to keep you on VZW, so anything of a delaying comment that will keep you hanging on while the first rule is in effect works for them, not you.
The phone only has two SKU's - We're going to find that VZ will allow it on the network (because they have to) and they won't sell it.
I said it first, and time will bear it out. I hope I'm incorrect. the only thing that will indicate it is here on VZ is a press release or seeing it on the website by magic, period. Anything else is just pure speculation and wishing.
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It is extremely unlikely at this point that Verizon will carry this phone in stores. That has been the speculation from the very beginning. Big Red will allow it on its network, but will never sell the device.
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Well, heres to pure speculation and wishing...:highfive:
But forreal. You suck vzw.
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I just talked to my inside business rep and she just found out that it is not being released until February. Pretty pissed!
Winter is coming...
Be ready cuz its coming... The Motorola Droid Turbo 6! It will be full of bloat and skinned in the most obnoxious Motorola overlay. I'm sure it will have all the same specs with maybe a faster processor. It will have 5 different Verizon logos plastered all over it. Of course the bootloader will be locked and we will never see root!... God I love Verizon!
I just had a meditation session with my spiritual king. He let it be known to me that Verizon will release the Nexus 6 in... and then the session ended. I'll try again tomorrow.
The number of people posting their opinions as fact in this thread is hilarious. Nobody knows anything, period.
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Nexus 6 on Verizon
My Motorola bought Nexus 6 works great on Verizon, and with Moto Credit im paying just like you would if you used the "edge" program from VZW... Oh and i didnt have to give Verizon any cut of the sales which is just icing on the cake!
Why wait? Buy one from another carrier, swap Sims.
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We probably wont see any Nexus 6 in stores at all. Nobody has the Nexus 6 locally on any carrier cause its sold out.(I've checked, XMas present.) If Verizon wanted the sales they would have already done it.
When i went into Verizon to get a nano sim for my N6 they didn't even know wtf it is. They're like oh that's not going to work on our network... I had to walk them through what to do to get my device working.
As most of you guys probably already know there are rumors around this phone's possibility of getting carrier support with T Mobile in the United States.
Because carrier support is kind of important in the US as most Americans buy their phones from their carrier, do you think that this is a major step for OnePlus and it will case it to be a more recognizable name in the US cell phone market... and not just some enthusiast brand?
Well, I'm just one person, but if it hits T-Mo, I'm buying it. That simple.
Same here, I'll be looking for it at my T-Mobile store!
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Same here, I'll be looking for it at my T-Mobile store!
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Same
No headphone jack, no notification LED, no sale. I use both all the time. It amazes me the cheap excuses these companies make to eliminate features. The truth is that they are just trying to make more money per sale. They must think we are all as stupid as they are!
I don't have TMobile but I'm buying unlocked.
Either way. But buying from one plus direct is better
Assuming the Pixel 3 doesn't make it to T-Mobile - this will be my next phone.
IPhone Xs/Xs Max preorders aren't very strong as per reports.
A huge chunk of users might like a far cheap Android alternative in the 6T.
Plain and simple. Having it released on T-Mobile only means those who can't afford to buy it out right from OnePlus could now put it on EIP..... So I kind of doubt there will be enough of those people to generate it as "a hit"
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I'm a tmo user and willl be purchasing it upon release!
You do have to remember this will be putting the phone in front of a bunch of people who never heard of OnePlus. This will open up the door for more customers that would not even know to go to OnePlus.com to buy the phone. ?* I dont know, I think it could help make the OnePlus6T much much more successful
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Plain and simple. Having it released on T-Mobile only means those who can't afford to buy it out right from OnePlus could now put it on EIP..... So I kind of doubt there will be enough of those people to generate it as "a hit"
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This is xda and no one is asking the important question; will the bootloader be unlocked? No amount of available from the carrier can overcome the lack of bootloader unlock. Another thing no one is skiing is available freqs, you're giving something up for that low freq (at least one, possibly two LTE bands) it isn't available in many areas and won't be for some time.
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This is xda and no one is asking the important question; will the bootloader be unlocked? No amount of available from the carrier can overcome the lack of bootloader unlock. Another thing no one is skiing is available freqs, you're giving something up for that low freq (at least one, possibly two LTE bands) it isn't available in many areas and won't be for some time.
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I don't believe OnePlus will tie down the bootloader. I think it will be easily unlocked through fastboot per usial. I believe OP knows it's fan base is comprised of hardcore Android users who like to tinker and flash custom firmware and mods. Frequencies I can't chime in on as I'm not knowledgeable enough about them
The situation just the opposite, Tmo decides and oneplus will gladly provide the locked bootloader phones if they ask.
This will be a major jump for OnePlus. I for one have been looking for something unique and when I found OnePlus; I became very interested in their product. For what the Iphone X cost; you could get similar features with the OnePlus for just half the cost. OnePlus 6T will definitely turn heads in the United States. Striking a deal with T-Mobile will also open up the doors for other smart phone manufactures. If sales are good; which they will be; one could only assume that one of Oppo's other companies would want to strike a deal with a U.S. carrier.
The 6T is definitely on my radar to replace my beloved Nexus 6.
But unlocked bootloader is a must. I've walked away from upgrades to other phones due locked bootloaders.
And I am really interested to hear what the difference is between a TMo-"optimized" OnePlus6, and one bought directly from OnePlus. Exactly what optimizations are there?
So I won't be an early adopter. I'll be a fast follower once others report back.
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NGOwner, that's a good question. TMo-"optimized" I assume would mean that it will have a much better chemistry with our LTE bands.
As for the success of the phone; it will also depend on the area that your in. In some areas the phone will have high sales as compared to others, that won't. It all depends how good T-Mobile's floor staff are. In some areas people don't do as much research on these smart devices as others. New York City and and various places in California will probably have the highest turnouts for sales for the OnePlus 6T. I can tell you that in my area; I will probably be able to turn some heads when I show this phone to people in public. It sounds funny; but it's true.
One question I do have is about pre orders? Since this phone is going to be released on T-Mobile; will their stores allow customers to put down pre-orders?
Saw this T-Mobile version info in Android Authority a while ago...
"According to the CNET article, OnePlus isn’t just going to sell the global variant of the OnePlus 6T in T-Mobile stores. Instead, there will be another T-Mobile-specific model that will be optimized for the carrier’s network.
And yes, that will include support for 600mHz bands, otherwise known as band 71."
Tmo was never going to sell an international oneplus in their stores. The questions are how much if any branding will it have, which Tmo apps come pre-installed, is the bootloader unlocked, which LTE freqs did we lose to get the 600 mhz goods. For most people the last question isn't all that important but I travel a great deal and it's a big one for me.