Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
Doesn't matter to you or me. We've got one of 2 current gen standard bearers (other being the Milestone/Droid) and ours doesn't have to go through a carrier to get OS updates.
All the apps will be built with us in mind, so fewer bugs and possibly more apps. We're basically Android Dev Phone 3. Nothing wrong with that at all. This is a loss for Sprint customers only, and the size of that loss is debatable.
Sucks to be a sprint customer. Will the EVO be better than the Nexus One? On paper, yes.. however that has yet to be seen. Most (or some) of us thought the N1 would be overshadowed by the Droid Incredible but that wasn't the case at all.
EVO vs Nexus One .... coming soon.
I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
Who's to blame here?
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Good question. If it was Google, I think they bailed just before the vindication of the N1. I am reading about perceived "issues" with the Incredible and Desire similar to those on the N1 regarding 3g coverage. The N1 is a damn fine phone, and Verizon and Sprint users are missing out on an absolute gem with a better forward path than anything else in the hardware queue.
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I wonder who's decision it was to cancel these phones...
Verizon, Sprint, Google, or HTC?
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Its DEF Sprint's and Verizon's fault the phone was cancelled. Google could easily put in a different radio (like they did with the ATT version) but Sprint and Verizon can just refuse to activate the phone on their network like they did. ATT and TMo didn't have a choice since they use sim cards. Sprint and Verizon are evil companies that force their customers into more expensive options instead of giving them choices
Same reason the verizon deal fell through. both spring and verizon are very controlled networks. Googles wants to essentially turn the cell phone system into an europe-esque system where phones and service are seperate entities.
Each nexus phone has to be programs for verizon or sprint. They probably couldn't come to terms with an appropriate price and management. They'd have to have the phones programmed before being shipped out, one more step and one more cost.
Then you have the headaches of pushing out updates. We saw how long it took Droid to get the 2.1 update. If you want to update a sprint android phone you have to take it to a retail store to do it!
thats a damn shame
sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
down with verizon and sprint they suck. Everytime I saw a sprint phone on that TV show, heroes I thought.... ugh, fags
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales.
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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If Sprint or Verizon doesn't want to subsidize the N1 because they want to push their own phone that's fine. But blocking an unlocked N1 from using their network just for the sake of being ****'s and forcing people into more expensive options? That's just bullsh*t and shouldn't be tolerated
Just because customers getting screwed happens in American business doesn't make it acceptable...
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well, i don't want to get too far off topic, because this is all just speculation. however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
btw, i love my nexus one. i can see why they would worry, lol. incredible is a nice phone, but the chick i'm hanging out with just got one, i played with it, and i prefer my N1, tbh
have to get a sprint phone for clinics though this june, so hoping the evo gets out early june phone n1, but evo for hanging out with and playing
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Post a pic of the chick!
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neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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Jesus, I already have my T-Mobile version and it doesn't hurt me but I really don't like Sprint (and Verizon) giving hopeful N1 customers the finger.
Its not that they just said no to subsidizing the phone... its that since they work off a CDMA network (non sim cards) they will just block the phone entirely off their network. Even if you had a Sprint compatible version and called them up to activate it they would tell you no. Greedy SOB's.
I wanted the N1 to become a smartphone standard across all 4 carriers so that Google would continue to produce it for a LONG time and come out with subsequent versions over time. But with just two carriers supporting it I am scared Google might abandon it long term due to low sales.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/sprint-cans-nexus-one-in-favor-of-evo-4g/
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I partially agree with the OP here, it would be nice to have this across all carriers, but in all honesty, CDMA is just not something that is well supported outside the US. Having GSM is key since it is more the worldwide standard. I don't think not having CDMA is going to really hurt things for this device.
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sprint cancelled (probably, i'm just guessing here) for the same reason verizon did. they have a top notch android phone coming out, for which they reap the benefits of sales. why would they chop that by catering to a phone that would only compete with their own sales, but they don't get sales money for? neither att nor tmo have a better phone right now.
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That makes no sense at all. Even if they didn't subsidize the phone, like AT&T, someone could buy the N1 100% with their own money, and then throw their money at Verizon/Sprint for the voice and data plans. All I could see is a net PLUS of subscribers on their networks. Now if someone reallly wants an N1, they'd be thinking T-Mobile / AT&T; a net LOSS of subscribers for Verizon/Sprint.
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however, now htc doesn't have to worry about manufacturing a cdma version at all, so it saves everyone a lot of hassle
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Except HTC probably already had the CDMA N1, or was FAR into the development of it. It saves hassle for everyone except HTC, who wasted a lot of time and effort.
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The Samsung Galaxy S would like to have a word with you.
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A camera with no flash. 'nuff said.
Verizon and Sprint have a much much more closed network than Att or T-mobile. They wan't entire control of what goes on the network.
I don't think anyone would care because sprint customers would probably be waiting for EVO 4g..
personally, i really liked sprint. i had a heck of a plan with them, i got a lot of free upgrades without contract, and i always had a signal, no matter where i went. i did sometimes have to roam, but i had free roaming, so no big whoop.
i only switched over to tmo for the N1
Related
http://www.pcworld.com/article/171910/tmobile_may_buy_sprint_to_create_market_giant_report_says.html
I dont know the details... It looks like it is still in the planing stages...
I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
sprint has been working very hard to clean up their crappy customer service. I had good service with them the last time I had an issue.
phatmanxxl said:
I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
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Then buh-bye in advance then.
I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
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I hope to god not, Sprint is one of the worst companies I ever had to deal with, especially with their billing practices. I been a T-Mo customer since 2002, Ill be unlocking my phones and switching to AT&T then.
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dude you read my mind, OMG that's scary. If Tmobile sticks with GSM then I'll stay with them, if they go the other route, I'll switch to AT&T forsho and just buy unlocked phones. I've always used imported unlocked phones anyways, the MT3G is only the second Tmobile branded phone that I've had after the samsung E715.
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I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
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If Tmobile did in fact make a bid on Spint then wouldn't you think they already have a plan to merge the two despite different networks?
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I would think this to be a bit unlikely seeing that they run vastly different networks...
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*warning off topic*...I just graduated from texas tech and moved the hell out of god's asshole aka 'lubbock'...i always feel sorry for people stuck there. On the other hand it was so boring i started biding my time by rooting my g1, instant time killer and now im an androider for life
cant wait to get an android phone!!
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*warning off topic*...I just graduated from texas tech and moved the hell out of god's asshole aka 'lubbock'...i always feel sorry for people stuck there. On the other hand it was so boring i started biding my time by rooting my g1, instant time killer and now im an androider for life
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ROFL. What major did you graduate as?
I only live in lubbock. I go to yale, which is a hop, skip and jump from NYC.
Lubbock did suck growing up though, considering I moved from NY. Absolutely nothing to do... Best part is the airport, since you're leaving.
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The merger would be more difficult since it would mean migrating users from CDMA to GSM Or vice versa. They are very different networks, meaning the merged company would have to maintain both networks (at great cost) for many years in order to complete the migration of all customers.
Additionally, the cost of rebranding existing locations of one store and fixing redundancies in the company would probably draw on for many years.
Either Sprint or T-Mobile better have DEEP pockets.
Will it be profitable in the long term: yes, but it will have huge upfront costs.
Are you guys for real????? I would only it hate it if T-Mobile losses its grip to Sprint if it is the other way then I think Sprint customers ought to be happy for TMO has the best CS. I have been with them since 1999!!!! just because of the customer service!!!
http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoe...ol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1403426&highlight=
Damnit... now I'm tempted to leave T-mobile. Might be selling a second N1 soon, lol. Can Sprint customers get OTA updates yet?
Thank god for the N1 not being tied to a carrier... In the past you might not have gone with a carrier better for your situation because they didn't have a great phone. I didn't go with Sprint since the "best" phone they had for me was a outdated version of the PalmPre but now the N1 closes all the gaps between carriers and allows anyone to have an amazing phone on any carrier.
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Thank god for the N1 not being tied to a carrier... In the past you might not have gone with a carrier better for your situation because they didn't have a great phone. I didn't go with Sprint since the "best" phone they had for me was a outdated version of the PalmPre but now the N1 closes all the gaps between carriers and allows anyone to have an amazing phone on any carrier.
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Likewise... the only reason I decided to stay with T-mo was because of the N1, and I didn't want to pay $35 more a month to switch to VZW. Now with it coming out on Sprint, it could mean I'd have incentive to switch even with the T-mo ETF.
This gets me excited...Now when will it be released is the question...?...And will this phone gain popularity like the iPhone..?
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This gets me excited...Now when will it be released is the question...?...And will this phone gain popularity like the iPhone..?
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if they sold it in stores yes.
lightforce said:
if they sold it in stores yes.
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Yeah, that's not happening lol.
Still, good for Sprint customers.
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if they sold it in stores yes.
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That is true...Maybe a Google store will emerge somewhere...I am most likely going to get the N1 if it gets released soon..
I believe the Verizon and sprint launch will happen at the same time.
Personally, from my experience, Sprint has the worst customer service out there.
I'm happy w/ my tmobile nexus 1.
N1 available for any carrier so that all can be with coverage/pricing plan they prefer? Brilliant.
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Personally, from my experience, Sprint has the worst customer service out there.
I'm happy w/ my tmobile nexus 1.
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things have changed in recent months/past couple years. I joined the sprint scene in august with the palm pre, and then returned it when the hero was announced and waited the 1.5 months till i could buy it.
ive had my own instances of being involved with customer service, and 9/10 times I really feel like sprint CSR's went the distance at least to make me feel valued. there is one instance where they didnt, but thats about contract dates, and all 4 major carriers are sticklers about that.
do some research on it for the latest reviews on sprint customer support.
back on topic, true story, this user will definitely be one of the first customers for the nexus one on sprint.
This is very exciting news. Development for the Nexus will be strong for a long time to come.
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I believe the Verizon and sprint launch will happen at the same time.
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I hope it happens at the same too...The N1 has the potential to be a great phone...
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Personally, from my experience, Sprint has the worst customer service out there.
I'm happy w/ my tmobile nexus 1.
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As someone else already said... times have changed at Sprint. AT&T has the worse customer service, followed by VZW... T-mo and Sprint are the best when it comes to customer service. I guess the bottom two have to have something go for them, lol...
Sprint Nirvana??!?!?
Finally!!!
Now, N1 or Supersonic?
Fast food gots nothin on SPRINT!!!
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Finally!!!
Now, N1 or Supersonic?
Fast food gots nothin on SPRINT!!!
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Wait to see if the Supersonic will be crippled like the Backflip... Hopefully it will be fully Google.
Wonderful news. I'll be the first to ditch my Sprint Hero for the Nexus One. I am beyond tired of HTC and their antics. A Google supported phone makes me much happier.
Bring it on.
Will they finally stop being dickfaces and allow someone to activate on a Sero plan ?
Thats the only way Id recommend Sprint to anyone. I admit there cellular service is fantastic !...but there customer care left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Wait to see if the Supersonic will be crippled like the Backflip... Hopefully it will be fully Google.
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lol sprint and htc wont do that
and im definitely going for the supersonic..4.3 inches my goodness
http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-on-nexus-one-partnerships.html
Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
Paul22000 said:
BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
Didn't see this anywhere else.
http://androinica.com/2010/07/14/motorola-says-if-you-want-to-flash-custom-roms-buy-from-another-company/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+androinica+%28Androinica+-++A+Google+Android+Blog%29
Yeah, that sucks. Evo ftw!
Sent from my HTC Evo 4g
Yeah!
Screw all the people who jumped ship to the Droid X just because of some benchmarks that have no real impact on everyday use.
wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!
Yep, that's why i buy HTC
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wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!
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Don't tell the fanboys that...oh wait Verizon is the CDMA equivalent of AT&T
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Don't tell the fanboys that...oh wait Verizon is the CDMA equivalent of AT&T
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Except you actually get 3G service with Verizon. Atleast they can justify charging more with a great network, AT&T on the other hand...
Verizon has a great network so they can at least justify the extra costs. Not att.
As for the digitally locked boot loader, it cost them my sale. I'll keep my evo and maybe get an epic. If not then something else later in the year.
This is foolish on motorola's part. They are one device off of bankruptcy, the droid saved them and the hacker community saved the droid for many users. Motorola lacks the apple polish so I'm not sure I see the closed system working as well.
Don't much care about DroidX, The EVO is better anyway Seems like people just cling to the droid name similiar as people clinging to iPhone. I got sucked in for a couple days but quickly came to my senses, once you get past the whole "me too" droid moniker you realize the EVO is really where it's at
I have to admit though Verizon really has the advertising down and Android likely would not be where it's at today without them. So I hope the droid x is succesful enough for them to continue the ad campaigns because I am addicted to Android these days!
This is just my opinion of course...
When I went to a local motorola plant to try and buy hardware directly from them, they kinda looked down at met and said they don't sell to the public. Snooty elitest that acted like they were the mafia or something. Christ, the monkey at the desk in the lobby looked like a 350lb bouncer. They had many of their products behind glass cases, but they didn't want my money. I had people I knew that worked at their assembly plants in the past. They said that the way they were treated was like you are just a number and we can easily replace you. They had a employment agency fishing for people to work there. If you messed up on just one thing in the long and tedious interview process, you couldn't reapply for six months. F them! They may have been "good" back in the day, but I think they can take their attitude and stuff it. Even some of the people that are in engineering have the attitude like they're better than everyone else. I don't care that they are slowly dying as a company. They shouldn't care what you use their product for, as long as you are buying their product. Idiots.
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donatom3 said:
Except you actually get 3G service with Verizon. Atleast they can justify charging more with a great network, AT&T on the other hand...
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Aridon said:
Verizon has a great network so they can at least justify the extra costs. Not att.
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Calm down you two. What I meant was the fact that Verizon and AT&T both have their flagship phones locked down.
Also...when I was the Death Star, the 3G service was pretty good. I just couldn't justify the extra $30+ a month.
Never liked Motorola,Verizon nor at&t.but I'm hopeing one day t-mobile and sprint merge together as one carrier and bring out gsm/cdma plus LTE world phones to whip Verizon and at&t.hopefully by 2012.
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I haven't closed my Death Star account yet... but I have to tell you I've had to use my AT&T phone to call Sprint 6 times since I got the phone on launch day. Why? Because my Sprint service was out.
And AT&T's 3G... no comparison. Sprint I'm lucky to get 500kbps consistently. AT&T I get at least 1.5Mbps consistently.
EtherealRemnant said:
And AT&T's 3G... no comparison. Sprint I'm lucky to get 500kbps consistently. AT&T I get at least 1.5Mbps consistently.
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Wow in SF I get 2mbps consistently with Sprint 3G
And I streamed Pandora high-quality without interruption driving from LV to SF. Try to do that with AT&T!
blazin-asian said:
wow, way to copy the at&t/iphone model. tiered data plans and having your flagship phone in a walled garden.
if this isnt proof that the iphone is coming to vzw, then i dont know what is!
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Most future phones are going to be locked down by the companies. That's until the devs get ahold of it. No phone is uncrackable!
It's just big company corporate thinking. They don't give a f if they're almost in the hole; they're out of loop with the rest of the world and most of the all, the end user.
GHOST99K said:
Never liked Motorola,Verizon nor at&t.but I'm hopeing one day t-mobile and sprint merge together as one carrier and bring out gsm/cdma plus LTE world phones to whip Verizon and at&t.hopefully by 2012.
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On that note, there's something I've always dreamed of: A truly universal phone. Pentaband GSM/GPRS/etc., CDMA, WiMax, and LTE. Unreasonable now? Yes. Unreasonable in a year or two? Nope. Especially if the Sprint/T-Mobile merger works out.
I pity people who still have iDEN phones.
markus_del_marko said:
Most future phones are going to be locked down by the companies. That's until the devs get ahold of it. No phone is uncrackable!
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I'm sure Milestone users have a different opinion.
MrDSL said:
I'm sure Milestone users have a different opinion.
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Yeah! Hasn't the Milestone been out for like a year with no luck? Poor guys.... I just hope that all Android phone hardware developers out there are nice enough to let the consumer know if their device will be locked down before it gets released. I would be very sad if I bought a Droid X and didn't know it couldn't be cooked. EVO I love thee.
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Wow in SF I get 2mbps consistently with Sprint 3G
And I streamed Pandora high-quality without interruption driving from LV to SF. Try to do that with AT&T!
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When I had Sprint from 06 to Feb of this year, I got 2+ consistently... their network in Denver is completely shot now. I'm hoping its just because of the upgrades for 4G... But either way, I think its ironic I've had to call Sprint from my ATT phone for tech support.
Some possible good news, hopefully, http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile’s-2011-roadmap-includes-plenty-android
Some bad, predicted news...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-16/sprint-s-most-likely-buyer-may-be-centurylink.html
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list
the case numbers like in the middle somewhere, you'll see AT&T
Help me and other users keep prices down and carrier amounts to 4! NOT 3!
Cmon guys, lets all do each other a favor and keep Sprint in business by reporting our thoughts. Remember!!!!!The responses you type, if you choose to respond, ARE public. If you want the merger to go through, and you are on Sprint, I would be curious as to why.
I don't know about everyone else but if this deal goes through, it can have negative effects for us, Sprint users, simply because we would now become the little guy and would either need to raise prices or merge with Big Red.
To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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To be honest Verizon said they would not oppose the merger deal which leads me to think.
That they are either considering a buy proposal for Sprint/nextel
Or they are going to buy some other CDMA carriers.
They would loose their number one spot if this merger happens they must have some other plan to counter act it which would be mergers/buy outs of other companies.
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EXACTLY! I like prices and companies the way they are no need to downsize and raise prices on consumer side...
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
Lmao right? ^^^
Anyways Idk if is bad or right, I mean if Verizon ain't tripping then why would sprint trip? If anyone in T-Mobile is there cause of the price then they probably go with sprint anyways
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Pretty much never.
This deal is going through you people need to get over it. Just watch.
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This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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They don't, this is just pretend.
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NewZJ said:
This deal will fail, they won't allow a single gsm carrier. Look at satellite radio for example.... oh wait, ****
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Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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phatmanxxl said:
Since when did the government start listening to what the people want?
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Good Question
dirkyd3rk said:
Lol I guess only time will tell. 3 major carriers will run the U.S. when it happens I will personally pm you a Smiley face and you will know what it means.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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Not possible it will be 2. Verizon would be stupid to not offer a porposal to Sprint. To operate jointly while keeping Sprint as a seperate company but veriozn owning a majority share in Sprint. This would allow merging of the networks as well as verizon having control of Clear then as well. Verizon would be able to switch the WiMax towers to LTE easily as well.
To be honest They could operate as two different companies and it may be accepted by Federal Regulator Due to running as two sep compaines but merging the networks. Or they Are considering do this with other CMDA operators. Why would VErizon willing become Number 2?
Also the Merger with ATT and Tmo will be accepted;. They Will accept any comprises like selling off part of the Tmo netowrk or SPECTRUM to other carries to bolter the others so it doesnt look like much of a take over.
You peopel are foregeting mergers happen with compromises and This merger deffinetly HAS A FEW that will be made but accepted.
Verizon knows this and may do the same with sprint, or other carriers or use it to buy the networks or spectrum from the company or get involved int eh compromise.....
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which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
iitreatedii said:
which leads from 4, into 3, into possibly 2, into less competition, which turns into HIGHER PRICES
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
Also 2 big companies left. offering Similar speeds and the SAME 4G technology will have to fight each other for new subsribers and will have to offer different and better services or fight back with pricings. The prices could go up or they could enter into a price war. No matter what happens there will be mergers or majority stock buyings simple as that.
I'm saying what i think will/could happen. Do you think customers would be able to stop things. Ya right. We are considered expendable.
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Not true I dont condone this or anhything but
I SAID if verizon chooses to operate as TWO independant companies. you would have the image of 3 companies and Sprint would/may have different pricings still.
Might be a benifit on some sides. While negatives are the possibilites of TOTAl incorpoation of sprint into verizonw hich i doubt would be accpeted but would screw all of us entirely.
Still It is the only way verizon will be able to fight back. And verizon will fight back . AND STRONG.
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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thats like saying when someone is about to get run over by a car...they can either get run over or not get run over, it's their choice...obviously they are going to avoid the bad one...cmon now verizon will fight back against it and it will have negative effects on sprint because sprint will have to compete too. if their are 3 companies it would make 1 great and 2 poor, the equivilant of 2 Crickets and 1 verizon today...this is why i don't condone it...
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You are right this is why i think verizon will invest in a majority share of Sprint/nextel for the simple reason of competeing. In doing so if tmo and sprint where bought out or taken over they will have to give up or sell parts of the network of spectrum in which another company will take over the number 3 and 4 spot although smaller. Either way Sprint will be affected. Sprint won't live if Tmo and att merge. They wont be able to compete. It is hard for them even now. That is why i think they will get bought in some method.
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
iitreatedii said:
oh okay, i must have misunderstood you originally, yeah we need to at least try to stop this merge with our opinions, it can't hurt, i want to be on sprint and have sprint rise to the top
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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True. We do need to voice our opinions but Money tends to buy people at very high levels of the regulatory committies.
Also If sprint could scale its network better they probably would get more customers. As for now Sprint is in a limbo state if the merger goes through sprint will have to be bought by Verizon to stay competing they will just fall apart if they dont. :/ I like the prices they have now it is great prices, good phones.
I would approve of a majority buyout of sprint as LONG as it stays a seperate company. or something like that. As long as we get to keep our plans without a fuss it be fine. But that wont happen so Im opposed of the Tmo merger just because it will force companies to buy smaller ones adn f everything up.
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like a bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy situation if you catch my drift. We have A or Z, no in between
i don't think the deal will go through myself BUT **** if verizon buys sprint at least ill have good service for a change.